Would trump have gone to Ukraine or Moscow?

[OddBeMe]

Depends if his boss called a meet

He’d have stayed home. It’s a war zone.

[Stoner710]

yes but he wouldn't have done it during the middle of a war because if trump was rlected president Putin would never have invaded in the first place.

why? because Putin was scared of Trump. Putin didn't know if Trump was craxy enough to use nukes so he never attack. Putin is Not of is afraid of Biden especially after the Afghanistan debacle. if you're going to surrender to 8th century barbarians you had living in caves in the worst possible way other countries with imperialist ambitions see the most powerful empire on earth act like cowards there are going to be countries that fill in that void.

America never wanted to become an empire, but we fought the Nazis and Japanese whe Nazis destroyed the French and British empire nature abhors a vacuum so it was either the United States influencing the world or the USSR. USSR fall the united states becomes the last empire and then we start fighting amongst ourselves because we don't want to be an empire but since our only other options for the emperors is either Xing Jing Ping or Putin.

tell me which one would you rather have be your rulers

United States (who ever we elect)

China (Xing Jing ping)

Russia (putin)

these are your only options

[Anonymous]

That depends if you wanted the war to end you would go to Moscow, if you want to prolong the conflict and risk your life you go to Kiev and promos them even more weapons and support.

As it stands right now more than 200,000+ people have died in this war, the Ukraine has already lost 1/3rd of its population to Russian weapons or fleeing, while much of her critical infrastructure has been destroyed.

If Ukraine still hopes to win this war it Unfortunately already going to be a Pyrrhic victory.
They would have been better off at least verbally promising Russia whatever it wanted to buy time for them to be in a position to make it obvious enough to Russia they could not win at an acceptable cost before they started.

[OddBeMe]

Like Chamblerian did with Hitler. Went to Munich and got a “peace treaty”. Didn’t know you were an appeaser.

[CALIGVLA]

@OddBeMe DumbBeYou, Chamberlain only "tolerated" Hitler because he hoped that Hitler would start a war against the USSR, the UK's most feared rival.

Which he did, in fact.

Now do the world a favor and keep your ignorant mouth shut.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme It was obvious as you were told loud and clear for year, that Russia with an economy the size if Italy and a declining population is in no position to conquer the world.

Least of all is the Wall of NATO which makes any real expansion for Russia impossible.

Russia's choice to invade Ukraine was strategically very unwise, thou holding Ukraine may bolster their defense perimeter slightly, that added advantage minor and inconsequential compared to the cost. As Russia very soon thereafter found out.

What is really of Value to Russia or rather the other way around is China. China as a country has everything Russia lacks and Russia has everything China needs.

That is why historically these 2 countries when aligned are a great threat to the world. It is also why the breaking of their alliance in the 1970's was soo critical to winning the cold war.

Unfortunately that alliance is being reformed.

[OddBeMe]

You guys really are stupid. The wall of NATO ends at Eastern Europe and Putin has a lot of countries on his hit list.

When the ruble is being sanctioned like it’s been, strongmen like Hitler and Putin start wars. It’s classic dictator behavior. But good to know you guys are appeasers!

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme It really does say much of you when you still call them who had made a more correct prediction than you 'stupid'.

You were told Russia was weak with an economy the size of Italy, and was not a significant threat to NATO. The last year Russia has proven not only is this true, Russia's problems only start there.

Russia should have been able to walk over Ukraine even in its weakened state because the Ukraine isn't much better. Russia's only incompetents and corruption caused her armies to stall and run out of resources before they could even reach Kiev.

In the end sheer numerical and economic advantage over the comparatively tiny Ukraine still all but guarantee Russian victory. Granted The incompetent Russia will slog thou it as a very high cost of hundreds of thousands of lives and a nearly completely wasted Ukraine

[OddBeMe]

So wait…. the reason Russia hasn’t won in Ukraine is because of US help. And you want to end it?

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme 200,000+ people have been injured or killed. Much of the Ukraine's critical infrastructure has been destroyed. Large shares of the Ukraine population has been driven out.

The Ukraine was never going to gain anything worth the cost they already paid in fighting this war against a vastly superior enemy. All they had to do was tell Russia what Russia wanted to hear to buy more time for either Putin to die, or them to acquire the means to make said war too costly for Russia to start.

Joining NATO was the Ukraine original plan to do that, but joining NATO takes too much time, and the Ukraine should have backed out of that and looked for a shorter option like a defense treaty with the USA, UK, or France first, when it was clear Russia would not give them the time.

Now Russia and Ukraine is ever more committed to victory having lost soo much itself, a war the Ukraine still can't win no matter how much its leader outlaws any suggestion to that effect. Russia will simply grind Ukraine and its people to nothing.
Countless tens if not hundreds of thousands more will die, and ever larger parts of the country will be reduced to ashes for nothing.

Is that what you want for the Ukraine?

it certantly isn't in the interest of theses united States we can only lose from this war.
1: We lose money and equipment we send,
2: We Lose by undermine the value of NATO in giving away its defense services for free,
3: We lose by forcing Russia into the hands of an actually powerful enemy whom with Russia's vast energy and resources becomes effectively unstoppable by us.

You do realize the only way we could halt Chinese aggression is via a naval blockade to cut off their factories access to the worlds energy and raw materials right?

The choice to drive Russia into their hands is soo catastrophically bad strategically for our country one has to wonder if Joe Biden was paid to do this.

[Anonymous]

Trump’s silver spoon ass would never have gone to a war zone. Hell, he cowered in his bunker during the BLM protests. If Trump was president today, Ukraine would be back behind the iron curtain and he’d be praising Putin’s actions. Biden is a dope but at least he understands the history and global danger of unchecked Russian aggression, rather than prioritizing a juvenile man crush on a cruel autocrat.

[Paige90]

Like Afghanistan?

[Surely]

For your information. Trump went to Afghanistan on a Thanksgiving Day while he was in office. Probably had dinner with the ones that your President left behind. He didn't phone ahead to tell the world that he was coming, either.
Do the research before you spread misinformation!
If Trump were president today. Do you think that he would dangle a billion dollars in their faces and tell them if they didn't do something to protect his kid. He was going home in 6 hours with the money.

[Anonymous]

After sticking up for Kim Jong-Un Trump just took off for East Palestine, Ohio on donor’s money in order to politicize an environmental disaster and attack our President who just left a war zone where he stood up to Putin.

[Surely]

So easy to stand up against someone when if you start a war. Your ass isn't the one fighting it!

[genericname85]

just ask yourself one question: did trump work with any corrupt companies in ukraine in the past to get rich and does trump have a son which is still working there, mysteriously letting all the evidence vanish? that should answer your question.

if trumps son had a laptop with evidence of corruption, the content of that laptop would be found and it's content would have been all over the media.

[monorprise]

While that is true, there is an even more simple question, Why didn't Russia invade Ukraine during all of the Trump Presidency?

They invaded Crimea during the last Obama/Biden presidency why did they do nothing more during Trump's 4 years?

The answer is fairly obvious:

1: They felt trump was far less predictable and unwilling to get pushed around.

2: Most importantly Trump kept American production up and energy prices down, as such Russia never felt they could afford to start a large military conflict in Ukraine.

Make no mistake this war is a direct result of Joe Biden's election.

[OddBeMe]

Did Trump work with corrupt companies and countries? Yes. Just look at how many dictator officials rented out Trump’s Washington hotel during his term.

[genericname85]

@OddBeMe i asked specifically: did trump work with corrupt companies in UKRAINE. the answer is no. don't try to dodge the conclusion. you know what i'm saying is true. international relations have been way better with trump. he buit bridges and he was actually on good terms with putin unlike biden who couldn't wait provoking a war in ukraine so he can shovel American tax payer money into his own family pockets...

[genericname85]

@OddBeMe my question wasn't "is trump free of corruption". he most certainly isn't. but the escalation between "the west" and russia is entirely bidens fault.

[exitseven]

Maybe because his hotels are more luxurious?

[OddBeMe]

Right…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncQFOsb529s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN07vQT-MLs

[OddBeMe]

So I don’t know if trump has business ties to Ukraine, corrupt or not. His utter refusal to open up his finances seem like suspect evidence that corruption lies somewhere.

And no, international relations were terrible under trump.

[genericname85]

Again you're dodging the conclusion. I did not argue that trunk isn't corrupt so i don't know why you're arguing that point as if i made any counter argument to that. The conclusion is: Biden is at fault for the escalation in Ukraine cause he has connections with corrupt companies there. Trump has not. Thus trump would not have escalated the situation in Ukraine. Point and case.

[genericname85]

Your question was about the situation in moscow/Ukraine and now suddenly you make it about trump's personal finance which has nothing at all to do with that. It seems more like you have some fanatic hate for trump that always comes through even if it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[exitseven]

@OddBeMe Just because a dictator or a serial killer stayed at one of Trump;s properties does not mean he has any connection to them. What about his golf courses too? How about students at Trump University? Is he on the hook for all their crimes as well? What about anyone who ever watched The Apprentice?

[genericname85]

@exitseven well even if that was the case, which i'm neither denying nor confirming, that has nothing to do with the thing in russia/ukraine xD that's the point here.

[exitseven]

exactly

[OddBeMe]

Not dodging. I literally don’t know. Because Trump keeps fighting his finances going public.

[genericname85]

Dude you didn't follow the case. His finances already went public and he has a white west. You're trying too see the devil where there's none. Meanwhile the thing with Biden and Ukraine is 100% a thing. I don't know why you keep steering back to trump who really has nothing to do with Ukraine

[OddBeMe]

Sorry, you sayin Trump went public with all his finances? And it what? White west?

[genericname85]

Look it up. It's all public.

[genericname85]

He lied about spending millions and millions in taxes. But he didn't commit tax fraud

[exitseven]

@OddBeMe The simple fact that all the foreigners hated Trump told me we had the right guy in the White House.

[OddBeMe]

@exitseven the company paying your wage would disagree. Global economy. Hear of it?

[exitseven]

No. the guys that own the company I work for are big supporters of President Trump and his pro America policies.

[ZackBan]

From an outsider's perspective the US was far more feared under trump than it is now. And had it still been under trump the Russians would have looked for peaceful solutions instead of flat out invading Ukraine with the confidence that they are unstoppable.
Afghanistan wouldn't be in taliban hands and Taiwan wouldn't be 2 seconds away from a Chinese invasion.

As the west becomes stale and weak the east is gearing up for more and more war

[exitseven]

If Trump was President he would not have to go to either place. He is not on Ukraine's payroll like the Big Guy so there is no reason to go there. He was making the NATO deadbeats pay their fair share so maybe NATO would be taking most of the responsibility for this war.

[OddBeMe]

More evidence for Trump on Moscow’s payroll than Biden on Ukraine. The first being Ukraine is barely hanging on so thus has little money for bribery. Lol

[exitseven]

They had 80,000 a month to give to the Bidens for at least two years. A pretty good chunk of change if you can find it. Hunter must be a real genius to be able to qualify for a salary like that.
The democrats looked for years for proof of Trump being a Russian foreign agent. All they came up with was a dry hole.

[OddBeMe]

I Google this and get nothing. Is this one of your “feel facts”?

[exitseven]

Google uses algorithms to keep Hunter Bidens name out of sight. I am not surprised you can't find anything about his deals with Burisma. It should be coming out soon though.

[OddBeMe]

Funny the “Hunter laptop” al gore rythym still works.

[exitseven]

What does it say about his salary at Burisma? What about ten percent for the Big Guy,?

[OddBeMe]

Was that salary illegal? If so watch out Trump juniors!

[exitseven]

The thing that was illegal was Hunter got paid 80,000/month to sit on the board. He admitted that he knew nothing about natural gas, Ukraine or Russia. He also admitted he did not know why he was hired. He was asked if it might have had something to do with the fact his father was the VP. HE answered probably. He basically admitted he was just there to act as a conduit for access to Joe Biden. The fact that now we have a president who is willing to spend every last tax dollar in Amwrica to back up Zalinsky against Putin. The US has poured over 160 billion dollars and pledges more while all of NATO put together has kicked in a tiny fraction of that. The UK has spent 5 billion, nobody else has contributed even 1 billion, most giving nothing. Trump would not be letting them skate on this.

[OddBeMe]

How was that illegal? Nepotism exists. Ask trumps kids.

[OddBeMe]

You guys are selective on what’s patriotic and what’s not. I hate all nepotism. But this focus on hunter seems to be going nowhere.

[Surely]

Just look at what happened when he did talk to Putin and Zelensky! He almost got impeached!
Isn’t it the POTUS’s job to talk to other leaders? And promote peace!
Besides he didn’t have to emit all of the global warming emissions to talk in person!

[OddBeMe]

Sure, just not personally benefit from it….

[monorprise]

Look at what else didn't happen during Trump's 4 year presidency. Russia didn't invade the Ukraine, where as they did invade the Ukraine during Both Biden Administrations.

This was for a very simple and predictable reason:

1: Russia felt Joe Biden (who ran Ukrainian policy under Obama too) was weak and predictable.

2: Most importantly Joe Biden drive the cost of energy thou the roof, where as Trump drove it thou the floor meaning Russia didn't feel they could afford to start a major war.

[lightbulb27]

doubt he go to moscow, but he'd meet putin, might meet Z... oddly, that is the symbol for the Russians... go figure.

Trump panders to people he cannot control. He uses words to control the others. If he can pander and thus influence the other powerful people, it can bring about stability... maybe.

But we won't know since we are on the fast track to hell and nobody wants to stop it because they think they are right.

[Jersey2]

Of trump were president, the war would have been over at the one year mark. Once the invasion failed in the first 3 months he would have made a peace everyone could live with. Hungary just said that only trump could negotiate the peace. Biden is an empty suit. So is his VP.

[OddBeMe]

The war started in 2014.

[Jersey2]

So Obama F’ed it up by letting it all slide for so many years? Okay.

[OddBeMe]

Are you saying you wanted Obama to invade a third country and put American troops in Ukraine? What did you expect him to do?

[Jersey2]

Not invade. Do what he did in Somalia and other places. Use drones, bombings, quick raids to get the job done plus destroy their drug subs. It’s all been done before. Nothing new here folks.

[OddBeMe]

So war with Russia. You want Biden to bomb Russian troops? Are you insane?

[Jersey2]

That’s an obvious troll response. You can do better.

[OddBeMe]

Obvious warmonger response. Keep pushing your pro ww3 fantasies dipshit

[John_Doesnt]

Donald would have handed Putin the launch codes a year ago and been telling Fox News that Russia is freeing Ukraine. I'm glad we have anybody but Donald in the White House. I wasn't thrilled for Biden, but he's a lot better than the alternative.
Maybe if we had Bernie Sanders and the DNC didn't screw us!

[monorprise]

@John_Doesnt If your going to make predictions at least try to make them sound reasonable.

For example a reasonable guess is Donald Trump would have done far less having concluded America had nothing to gain from becoming involved in this conflict.

The Ukraine is not part of NATO, it has nothing we want, and becoming involved only risks conflict with the worlds largest nuclear power while undermining the value of NATO membership in giving away its perks for free. Something every business man understand unlike career politicians.

That said its very unlikely Russia would have invade Ukraine at all if Trump was still president, they had 4 years to do so while Trump was President and largely halted their military advances during Trump's presidency.
The reason was quite obvious:
1: Trump kept energy prices low, thus Moscow couldn't really afford to start a war.
2: Trump was far less predictable, thus Putin couldn't really afford to take the risk.

[John_Doesnt]

@monorprise a real American would fight for democracy for every country. Donald was a coward and we all know he is a Putin puppet

[monorprise]

@John_Doesnt George Washington told us to avoid forign entanglements as he did himself.

Fighting for democracy in forign countries is not an American goal, but rather the bankrupted ambitions of politicians desiring an empire.

As it stands now Ukraine is little more a democracy than is Russia, so in this conflict you are certainly not fighting for democracy your just bankrolling a war against Russia. Forcing that country into the hands of far more capable enemies.

[John_Doesnt]

@monorprise "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore". Americans fight for freedom, you're a coward.

[monorprise]

You know that was written by Emma Lazarus in 1883 for the statue of Liberty, a woman and a speech who by no means represented America at the time nor certantly even America at its founding.

[John_Doesnt]

@monorprise apparently you haven't read the Declaration of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

[monorprise]

@John_Doesnt You really should read the whole document, and particularity that last line again.

DOI said: "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men"

Indeed this our people view of our rights is reinforced elsewhere in the document such as this line about forming new governments after abolishing the destructive ones:

DOI said: "institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Notice the words Them, and Their, they are not talking about the happiness of the world. Indeed the world is referenced separately as an audience to appeal to in listing the British empire's injures acts:

DOI said: " let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

We instituted our state, and then our Federal Goverment to secure OUR right. To a limited degree we even instituted the goverment of NATO for the same reason.

We did NOT institute any such Guards with the Ukraine, as such the Ukraine has offered no Guards in support in securing our rights.

This war is about the delusions of old men thinking they still live in a Cold War world that ceased to exist 30+ years ago!

Today's world Russia has an economy the size of Italy, worse than that it was soo corrupt and dysfunctional it couldn't even supply its own army enough to invade a small country.

Russia not only isn't a threat to NATO, they can't even carry out an invasion of any significant size.

Today's threats are Real competent countries with economies nearly as large as our own like China.

Driving resource rich Russia into China's hands is compromising our one defensive option against china which is cutting them off from the world's resources.

Even if you could beat Russia in the Ukraine your doing it at the cost of winning a conflict that actually matters to us.

[John_Doesnt]

@monorprise you sound like another selfish sissy who can't handle sacrifice for the greater good. The Americans who lived during WW2 had no problem sacrificing for the greater good.

[AngryCarl2]

He would have phoned Ukraine and asked for a favour though.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah, can you find the numbers that says this is fake news?

[abc3643]

Of course, Trump wouldn't. He loves his master, Putin, and if Trump suggested it, Putin would whap him on the ass with a rolled-up newspaper and yell "No! Bad Trump! Bad Trump!"

[monorprise]

Why is it that democrats make such immature and insane claims about their enemies?

For that matter why do Democrats choose to ignore the reality on the ground around them in making judgements?

Your free to beleive what ever ubrud lies you want about trump, the bottom line is Russia invade Ukraine only under Biden's watch in 2014 and 2021.
Russia showed made no serous effort during the 4 years of the Trump administration. and there was 2 very good and obvious reasons for that fact.

1: Trump was far less predictable.
2: Most importantly trump kept Russia poor with low energy prices and thus disinclined to start an expensive conflict.

[abc3643]

@monorprise I'm not a Democrat.
That black-or-white thinking limits you and, all too often, most Republicans.
This is why Rush Limbaugh was so successful; he let his audience do the faulty logic needed to accomplish his objectives.

[monorprise]

@abc3643 Whether you call yourself a democrat does not change the fact that theses are the claims the elected leaders of democrats.

As for my thinking I have laid before you an observation and an explication which seems quite reasonable. If you feel there is anther reason more compelling to explain this observation then perhaps you should speak it, rather than simply dismiss such a theory without any explication at all.

[KarinMcDonald]

If trump was president, the war would be over because he would have sent help to russia instead of Ukraine.

[loveslongnails]

Wait... you mean Trump ISN'T President? LOL

[KarinMcDonald]

@loveslongnails ha ha ha

[OddBeMe]

It’s funny that Ukraine war heated up the moment Trump lost the election….

Putin knew his lapdog would be no help.

[KarinMcDonald]

the reason Putin waited was because he was hoping trump would dissolve NATO. Then it would have been a cake walk for him.

[loveslongnails]

That's funny. LOL

[OddBeMe]

Dissolve NATO. That’s what’s best, you think? Have every country rearm like 1914?

[KarinMcDonald]

That's not what I'm saying at all! We NEED NATO to counter an aggressive Russia.

[loveslongnails]

What we could really use is someone sane running Russia, and for Putin to be dead.

[KarinMcDonald]

@loveslongnails you're not going to get an argument from me about that!

[loveslongnails]

I can't think of many folks, including Russians, who would object to that!

[KarinMcDonald]

@loveslongnails just putin himself I suppose.

[NewsReader]

He would have gone there a long time ago; just like he went to other countries. Mexico, China, Japan, North and South Korea, India, Russia, UK, and more.

[Sevenpointfive]

trump and putin get along so i don't think the ukraine would've been in this stupid war to start with. putin listens to trump

[WindAtMyBack]

He might have gone to both countries. It's kinda the president's job to do stuff like that. It's the major part of his job description.

[Anonymous]

you already know the answer to this... moscow

[Opinion Owner]

he would of gone to moscow after visiting ohio first

[OddBeMe]

Can’t say he didn’t hit the middle counties that Hillary wrote off.

[Paige90]

He wouldn't need to as there would be a problem there if he was POTUS.

[supercutebutt]

He would go to wherever the pee hookers are.

[Juxtapose]

Hahaha you're just salty that Trump is a better leader as a private citizen than Biden is as the president.

[OddBeMe]

You really went down the idiot hole lately.

[Juxtapose]

I would rather have a 6-year-old be president than Joe Biden.

[CALIGVLA]

Trump is not the president. You should f* turn the page on politics.

[OddBeMe]

They were saying that after Nixon. It’s good to know the crimes of your presidents lest they be committed again by you right wingers.

[CALIGVLA]

I'm not a right-winger, you nut job. You should take your psychiatric medication before talking about politics.

[OddBeMe]

My god…you’re right. Wing.

[CALIGVLA]

You're schizophrenic.

[OddBeMe]

Who said that?

[CALIGVLA]

It's clear you're irrational and paranoid. If it's not meth, you have a real deal of mental issues.

[OddBeMe]

Momma can you hear me? Momma can you see me?

[gorydetails]

He went to Ohio to support Americans who needed assistance.

[msc545]

Trump has no courage, among other things he is lacking.

[Anonymous]

He wouldn't had needed to. He was a great President, and we did not have to go through all the crap we are going through nowadays worldwide because of a lousy administration in the US (one we currently have)

[KrakenAttackin]

I can't imagine hating anyone as much as you hate Trump.

[Leopard23]

Probably would have been no war.

[Randalama]

He went to Ohio instead.

[Anonymous]

He'd have gone to East Palestine.