Who agrees, only way to deal with Putin is with overwhelming force, SHOCK and AWE baby! ?

[DaveJord]

I am talking no fly zones, troops on ground.

Yes, I do agree

No I do not agree

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Surprise to see so many guys taking Russia's side... guess the women are only ones with balls here.

[ChrisMaster69]

Shock and awe against SA 400 ?

Troops on the ground without sufficient armour, repair and recovery units,

Without reloads ordered within the supply chain.

How many ships do you want sunk trying to get that armour to Europe

Are you happy for your town or city to receive the first nuke or non nuke salvo from an Oscar or typhoon

How do you propose to enforce a no fly zone when the Russians have a shit load of SA 400’s (and likely some 500’s) and also a lot of SU27, SU57 etc

You send an aircraft up to patrol the area or intercept, it can become food for SAMs.

Then of course as you are doing Shock and Awe on wherever in Russia, it can do the same elsewhere.

Shock and Awe when your opponent is at a war footing and you are not is stupidity at its highest.

[DaveJord]

Lol... I don't think we lost many ships. I did supply chain. Management for Army for 20 years. No fly zone is simple stingers are highly effective.

[ChrisMaster69]

Stingers?

Seriously for a no fly zone 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Also if you did that then you are familiar with Reforger missions and expected losses forcing a contested Atlantic

[jshm2]

Don't be daft. That shit didn't work in Iraq or Afghanistan either.

Also what you going to "overwhelm" with, exactly? Most of your hardware is shit and older than the Russians.

[DaveJord]

Lol... your mis informed.

[EmmaMary]

There's only one way to deal with that fucking mentally deranged despot... Shoot the fucker dead... That's if anyone can get near the fucking insane lunatic.

[EmmaMary]

Thank you for the MHGirl.

[Citizenkirk]

Putin is a sociopath, the only way shock and awe will work with him is with the new value menu at Carl's Jr.

[NamerOfStars]

They tried that against Russia already; back when they called it "blitzkrieg". It didn't work.

[DaveJord]

@NamerOfStars false equivalency

[NamerOfStars]

An invasion of Russia that involved MASSIVE "shock and awe", in an effort to break their morale and drive them back without engaging in massive fighting. It's not "false equivalency", because it's not equivalency at all; it's exactly the same thing.

[DaveJord]

I am not talking about invading Russia I am talking about defending the Ukraine. The Germans had to take the Ukraine before it even came to Russia. So strategically speaking your comparison of the Nazi invasion of Soviets Union is a false comparison.

Ukraine has the second largest army in Europe and they would be on our side not the Russians, so it is a false equivalency. Plus the Nazi's was fight two wars on two different fronts... if not for that they would took Russia easy.

[NamerOfStars]

So you're saying it's a "false equivalency" because the LOCATION is different? Fighting Russians in Russia is not massively different from fighting them in Ukraine- which is not "The" Ukraine; they're a country now, at least for the time being.

[DaveJord]

Yeah I guess that is what it I am saying because its not 1944 anymore... and obviously you have no military or actual experience with war. WWII German invasion of Russia was under completely different circumstance and does not or is not relevant to todays conflict. SO you are talking out of your fourth point of contact. So stop trying to sound like your making a legit point with false comparisons.

[NamerOfStars]

Again, it's not a comparison- "shock and awe" and "blitzkrieg" are EXACTLY THE SAME DOCTRINE. Hit the enemy so hard and fast that you overwhelm them, and they can't mount an effective resistance. If you have actual reasoning behind your assertions, make it, instead of simply saying "you're wrong", and when asked for an explanation, adding "because I say you're wrong".

I AM making a legitimate point; it's YOU who's lacking in that area- unless you have some elaboration beyond "because I said so"?

[DaveJord]

You saying Blitzkrieg was not a successful war doctrine? Ahhhhh... it worked very effectively? Its the principal corner stone of every successful offensive campaign through out modern history.

So the point you are making, which honestly I do not understand what that point is, is not making any sense to me.

[EnglishEuropean]

How do you enforce no fly zones? And until you do, how do you get troops on the ground? And why do you want your troops to fight on the other side of the world in a country that isn't yours?

[DaveJord]

You use air planes to enforce a no fly zone, missiles and the like. You put all these fancy air craft we have maintained to work shooting down other plans... duh? WTF we buy them for and maintain and train these pilots to do if your scare to shoot down Russian planes? Your 62 you lived during the Cold War and Iron Curtain Days... we were born to kill Ruskies!!!

If your reading the news NATO is repositioning over 100 planes and has more on air craft carriers in the Med and Baltic. Your a flipping English European for Christ shake, what you talking about half way around the world... it Europe man the Americans are already there... been there since WWII just defend Europe against Russia/Soviets aggression. Get a grip.

[EnglishEuropean]

So what's in it for America?

[DaveJord]

Kicking the crap of the Russians that is all I would want. Anything else would be icing on the cake.

[EnglishEuropean]

Are you prepared to ship out to Ukraine and take care of it personally?

[DaveJord]

I would of army called me back... but already did 20 and fought in three different wars. Did realize how any cowards are in the world... Russai acts with impunity and all these fluffy daisy can cry about is how bad ass putin is... what fuck happen to theses pansys?

[EnglishEuropean]

Then I salute your courage sir. However I don't feel we should sleepwalk into WWIII.

[ragooo8]

Russia is not Iraq. They are very capable military.

[DaveJord]

Did not say they were Iraq... but 200,000 troops is not enough why they waiting so long on other 300,000 they supposed to have in reserve. I di not think buy day three they planned on so little success.

[ragooo8]

It takes time.

[DaveJord]

Well time is not in thier favor... but we know you're a comarade lover.

[ragooo8]

The invasion of Iraq took over a month and the insurgency still continues today, Iraq hadn't half the modern weapons Ukraine has

[DaveJord]

Yes comrade... the Russians are screwed you are correct.

[Levin]

You first!

[joeldalton]

Are you signing up?

[DaveJord]

@joeldalton I am 45 and a retired Military after 6 combat tours in the Middle East. I have bleed on the field my man... how about you?

I would sign up if Biden bones up and they would take me back... I got plenty of fight left in me.

[joeldalton]

I'm not the one doing the dick measuring contest with Putin. I want no American blood and treasure spent for this nonsense.

[DaveJord]

pansy? Your live under very freedom the blood split provides you. Grow a pair.

[joeldalton]

What, the blood you spilled in Iraq over lies? Or the blood you spilled in Afghanistan and the Taliban is still in control?

[DaveJord]

Every military objective was achieved... every soldier knew that politically it was never going to work. But militarily we were very successful.

[DaveJord]

We were not fighting to free Iraq or Afghanistan we were fighting kill bad guys and we did 10 to 1.

[joeldalton]

That only cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.

[DaveJord]

Freedoms not free. What price have you paid? Probably nothing.

[joeldalton]

None of this affected my freedom or yours.

[DaveJord]

Lol... narrow vision.

[joeldalton]

I get it. It’s horrible to come to the realization you lost friends and years of your life to enrich defense contractors.

[DaveJord]

I made my money-back

[joeldalton]

lol.