Russians are executing civilians? Or is this propaganda?

[OddBeMe]

I’m on Ukraine’s side but I’m hesitant to believe this. They said Ukrainians buried 300 bodies that were shot in back of the head.

Horrible Russians

It’s propaganda!

Updates

+1 y

Looks like it’s true. More news agencies are reporting up to 400 civilians dead.

[skytatoe]

The coverage of the war as a whole, and every story in it, is propaganda. I have a friend in Germany who knows Ukrainian refugees who told him first hand its propaganda. I mean when you hear it from the people whose country is being bombed to shit themselves...

Could it be? Yeah, no doubt. Its highly likely. Just two days prior I was shown a few videos of ukrainian forces executing russian POWs. They had them hands behind their backs, unarmed, shot them in the legs and left them to bleed out on the ground.
That was actual footage, not 'the mayor said blabla... ' and pictures of a bodybag in the mud.

Its highly likely something like this will happen in war. But this reporting is so trash. Where are the first hand interviews? Where are these witnesses? Where is the footage of this happening? Pictures of bodies of civilians in plain clothes with hands tied behind their backs? There's got to be some evidence left behind. Showing us a mass grave =/= russian troops executing civilians. It just means civilians died en masse. That could have been a methodical rouding them up and executing them or these could be bodies of people that got caught in the shellings / crossfire etc...

Not ruling it out, but the reporting on this is sooo flimsy. Honestly if it did happen and this is how shittily they decide to report the story with no documenting facts, no gathering information, proper interviews etc... It's fucking insulting to the victims. The big news outlets are just huge sewage pipes, mostly everything that comes out is shit.

[skytatoe]

*Edit*

So I went to have another poke around the internet. And yeah, it seems this did happen. Soldiers are animals...

[OddBeMe]

This surprised me too. Either Putin is an imbecile or he doesn’t have control over his military.

[skytatoe]

Many of them are conscripts, not professionnal career soldiers, this could easily be retaliation for the execution videos of russian soldiers.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t see “executed Russians” in google anywhere.

[skytatoe]

Tells me I need to log in to see this, might be it might not:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIzTE3zzSMk

[OddBeMe]

Didn’t watch the whole thing. Do they get executed?

[skytatoe]

Don't blame you. Sick shit. No I didn't see anyone getting shot in the head, but they are left on the ground with no medical attention. I'd be surprised if they all survived it

[888theGreat]

he sent them in , but did not issue standards. I would tell my soldiers that if I find out they raped women or hurt kids any way , they will be punished.

[DryGermanGuy]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/03/europe/bucha-ukraine-civilian-deaths-intl/index.html

[OddBeMe]

This is the issue. CNN is just reporting what the mayor of the town said. There’s no actual evidence yet.

[DryGermanGuy]

Did you watch that video? CNN itself filmed and photographed the bodies left there after five weeks of Russian occupation. Maxar satellites show the digging of a mass grave a while ago. The images speak for themselves.

[OddBeMe]

Of course, I was just talking about the 300 bodies supposedly found. Of course even a dozen is a war crime.

[DryGermanGuy]

edition.cnn.com/.../h_66323e8117b0f178443fc166e9e80122

[Anonymous]

I reserve judgement until the war is over and this properly investigated. Could very easily be a false flag operation to drum up international outrage and support from the American public, us government's have done such things in the past.
It's possible war crimes have been committed by both sides. Recently read a piece claiming Ukrainians giving Russian soldiers food as a gesture of good will that turn out to be posion.

Who stands to benefit the most from this war? Ukraine? Russia? The EU? China? Or as is my opinion the puppet master United States?

[OddBeMe]

Can’t say Ukraine wouldn’t do the worst to pull the US in. But my money is on Putin being a war criminal.

[Opinion Owner]

Probably but then you've got George Bush Jr, Obama, Tony Blair, Trump and even Biden for his role as vice president not brought before the Hague for War Crimes.

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

It’s not just propaganda.

That’s what they do.

I am from Georgia, Russia occupied 20 % of Georgia in 2008, he did the same things there, killed the innocent civilians.

[goaded]

Too early to be absolutely sure of the numbers, but...

"The BBC finds the charred remains of civilians on a highway where Russian troops had stationed tanks."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60949791

"A reporter entering Bucha, near Kyiv, counts at least 20 bodies of men, one with his hands tied."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60967463

That's not Ukrainian (or any other) officials saying it. I think it's likely true, although the 300 number is more likely to be an exaggeration than an under-count.

[OddBeMe]

Even 20.. or 1…is a war crime worth investigating. But with all the cell phones you’d think we’d have more evidence. And lying about the number isn’t helping.

[goaded]

We don't know they're lying about the numbers.

[Anonymous]

It seems unlikely in the extreme that Russians would execute people who they essentially see as their countrymen as a matter of policy.

If this is going on I would imagine it is what happens and presumably what has always happened when you put assault rifles in the hands of teenagers and lock them into a situation where they are constantly in fear of their lives.

[Opinion Owner]

The other thing you have to bear in mind is that this could be western secret service type bullshit.

All manner of things can go on in the chaos of a warzone and its well established that western governments are perfectly happy to kill innocents etc to further their agendas.

[Sevenpointfive]

the evidence shows that ukraine will fall. what happens then?

[OddBeMe]

Not sure. Depends how far Putin is willing or financially able to go. It’s not going well for him, but luckily he’s a superpower. It’s like us getting our ass beat by Vietnam. And we got the hell out.

[Sevenpointfive]

it could be propoganda too. chernobyl is run down and would make a good place for fake war

[Jersey2]

I am not sure yet but I suspect it is true. There should be international investigators going in and recording what they find. On a side note, Ukrainians are poisoning liqueur bottlers and pastries leaving at least 2 dead Russians and 28 in the hospital. I would guess there are more but perhaps not as many as contaminated themselves in the Red Forest around Chernobyl.

[Jersey2]

I take it you have seen the satellite pictures showing the dead bodies in Bucha lying in the road for weeks before the Russians withdrew. This is compelling information. More to come I guess.

[vaggelis_kalamaras]

Its not a propaganda BUT Ukrainian army ( azo3 division ) is killing Ukrainian civilians too cause they might work with Russians or they dont want to help there army... Almost no one talks about the azo3 division... Which they came from some Nazi panzer divisions

[OddBeMe]

There’s one neo Nazi brigade fighting for Ukraine. Very small.

[vaggelis_kalamaras]

Its not small and azo3 division entered they Ukraine army , that means the president of Ukraine allowed a neo nazi team to enter there normal military but without no one controlling them... So they basically give to neo nazi support...

[OddBeMe]

I don’t know but Zelenskyy is Jewish so I would imagine he didn’t personally recruit these fckers.

[vaggelis_kalamaras]

Well the azo3 division got bigger after zelensky as it has some companies behind him... If he was a real leader he would surrender the first day

[OddBeMe]

Would you want Biden to surrender?

[OddBeMe]

Guess not.

[josephinelcajon]

Its a mix. Just like if it was us. NOT defending Russia. News is no longer the truth its a propaganda

[OddBeMe]

It’s all on degrees of course. At least Washington post said “reportedly” and “they claim”.

[NathanDavis]

why do you find it hard to believe? this is war, this stuff happens often... if not every time there's a war

the US has done it as well... and a few times

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

All Governments involved lie sorry to say until it is proven I will reserve judgement. We all know that the biggest liar is Joe Biden and liar in chief little Red lying hood

[OddBeMe]

I agree with you, but sorry trump is the bigger liar.

[Stoner710]

Russians are killing civilians, of course the world isn’t going to do anything about it because we don’t want to start ww3

[Surely]

With everyone carrying cell phones. I am sure that there are pictures to come out eventually.
Providing that this is true!

[OddBeMe]

That’s what I thought, yet all the news agencies are just reporting “what he said”.

[EnglishEuropean]

I mean they have one source for this, no confirmation. I'm going to sit this one out until I see the bodies.

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. WaPo had a story on it, but digging into the evidence they just say “claimed” this person.

[EnglishEuropean]

The whole media seems to be running with the story now. Not sure how much checking they've done, the media is always ready to demonize Putin. Not that I have any time for the guy myself.

[OddBeMe]

I recently looked back into it and seems there were def executions by Russians in the town of Bucha. And now they’re sending Ukrainians to camps. That’s a bad sign.

[888theGreat]

Who were the bodies in mass grave?

[OddBeMe]

Does it matter?

[888theGreat]

If Russian soldiers just killed them being citizens

[OddBeMe]

What does “just being civilians” mean? Summary executions are a wa crime whether they’re civilian or POWs

[Anonymous]

I don't know, I wasn't there.

[msc545]

US propaganda

[OddBeMe]

Al Jazeera?

[msc545]

who knows anymore?