No more legal murder of babies over six weeks old in Oklahoma?

[msc545]

The Oklahoma House approved a bill Thursday morning that would ban abortions after six weeks of pregnancy.

This is great!

This is terrible!

I actually do not care!

[lightbulb27]

I can't wait to see trump blamed for this...
managing humans is a pain in the neck... why aren't we spanking brats again? Increase paddling and public beatings for bad social behavior and this situation improves immensely. Address social ills in media and even better. Law changes without fixing the social mess is a recipe for more problems.

You can't force someone to love a child and that's where this can backfire later on. I think this is under the domain of the woman... will they end up spiting the kids, creating more traumatized people?

6 weeks isn't much time to know what's going on. All this means is people travel to a neighbor state. Might work in oklahoma. Not gonna work in other states.

[goaded]

"I would have preferred protection at conception but this is better than no protection which is what women mostly want."
At least you admit that you're working against the wishes of most people. Why do you think you have the right to impose your beliefs of women?

[Wade12345]

Killing of an unborn baby is and always has been murder. That applies to both men and women.

[goaded]

@Wade12345 That's your belief. It doesn't make it true.

[Zenit93]

That’s not an opinion. You’re literally ending a life.

[goaded]

@Zenit93 A person's life?

[Zenit93]

Yes.

[goaded]

@Zenit93 A living, breathing person?

[Zenit93]

When is a person a person?

[Zenit93]

How are you not killing an unborn baby? How is that an opinion?

[goaded]

@Zenit93 When the question is "When is a person a person?" Are you killing a tree when you eat a chestnut?

[msc545]

If a chestnut can grow into an adult tree, yes.

[Zenit93]

Analogy of the year. Stellar comparison

[t-8900]

There was a time when most people supported burning at the stake, slavery, etc. Does that make it right?

[goaded]

None of you actually answered the question with a simple yes or no: "Are you killing a tree when you eat a chestnut?"

If I said I can cook and eat a dozen trees in a day, you'd think I was crazy. That's because chestnuts and trees are not the same thing.

[t-8900]

@goaded if the chestnut tree isn't producing chestnuts you chop it down and replace it with one that will because the chestnut tree that doesn't produce chestnuts is useless.

[goaded]

@t-8900 That makes no sense in response to:

None of you actually answered the question with a simple yes or no: "Are you killing a tree when you eat a chestnut?"

If I said I can cook and eat a dozen trees in a day, you'd think I was crazy. That's because chestnuts and trees are not the same thing.

[msc545]

Abortionists always insist on using semantic arguments.

[t-8900]

The chestnut not in the soil isn't yet "woven"

[msc545]

@t-8900 So then destroying sperm or an unfertilized human egg is not murder, but destroying a fertilized human IS murder, I believe.

[t-8900]

It's a bad analogy for the situation. Nuts and trees aren't sacred for starters. But a nut like an egg is only that till it mixes with another component. A d one is happening outside while the other inside. So not a good analogy.

[msc545]

@t-8900 Not a good analogy, I agree, but I think that ANY life is sacred, at least for me.

[t-8900]

I think value of a life remains till you murder, rape, etc. Then you're basically no better than dirt. Just how I see the world.

[goaded]

@msc545 Words have meanings.

@t-8900 What is "woven"? It's capable of becoming a tree, but it's not a tree.

@Zenit93 "Sacred" is a religious argument. Your beliefs are not shared by everyone, and shouldn't be the basis of laws. The first amendment says so.

And @t-8900 clearly has no problem with killing living, breathing people. Very pro-life.

A chestnut is not a tree, an egg is not a chicken. More life is destroyed when you eat a chicken than an early abortion. And most abortions are early, unless there's a serious problem with the pregnancy or people pass stupid laws that delay them.

[msc545]

@goaded Some words have meaning, others not so much. Life is either present or absent - it has no "quantity". Killing any life is unacceptable.

[goaded]

You do eat, right? And wash?

[msc545]

Yes, and that kills plants and bacteria. Nothing is perfect.

[goaded]

I'm sorry that we disagree about this, but I think I'm making a reasonable argument. A chestnut is not a tree, an egg is not a chicken, and a fetus is not a person. There can be a discussion about when a fertilised egg becomes a person, but a single cell isn't it.

[t-8900]

@goaded quote me. Also I don't care about chickens. Don't try to compare human life to chickens and trees.

[goaded]

@t-8900 Oh, sorry: " I think value of a life remains till you murder, rape, etc. Then you're basically no better than dirt. Just how I see the world. "

That's you comparing human life to dirt.

[t-8900]

@goaded 😂 I can't believe this is the same guy talking all the shit about Russians and Putin
Don't even go there. I know for a fact you don't give 2 shits about Putin's life or trump's. Rapists should be eliminated, terrorists, murderers, I stand by that
Babies are a clean, innocent slate. Their lives matter. Don't even compare the two you silly bastard 😂

[Juxtapose]

@goaded

Wow, for once I completely and totally agree with you. A zygote is not the same as a fetus and a fetus is not the same as a baby. I do not understand why this is so hard for people to understand.

If people would equate my life with that of a zygote, fuck them.

[goaded]

@Juxtapose I expect we both think water is wet, as well. It's just not something that comes up in conversation on here very often.

[its_amelia_c]

Not all rules should be the same for all!


Circumstances should be considered greatly! As this is a huge thing to consider. This can affect the decision of if it should continue or should be terminated.


There is not a one rule fits all in this situation. This is SO detrimental to the wellbeing and mental health of both mother and baby.


It’s tragic and sad. No one should make this ruling but the person going through it and their personal doctors.

[UCrayCray]

So killing babies 6 week after birth was legal in Oklahoma before this ban?
Oh wait, you’re just confusing a 6 week old embryo with a 6 week old baby. (There’s actually a pretty big difference between the two. Big enough that there really shouldn’t be any confusion.)
I guess it’s safe to assume you celebrate your conception day and not your birthday?

[t-8900]

It's a step in the right direction imho. At least for the state of Oklahoma.

[msc545]

I would have preferred protection at conception but this is better than no protection which is what women mostly want.

[t-8900]

I know but it's a start. One day hopefully society will again treasure the sanctity of life over convenience and hedonism.

[msc545]

Hopefully yes

[On_cloud_wine]

I never even know I missed a period if and when I do until like 3 months later lol.. I get irregular periods to nothing.. usually when I’m at super fit

[Juxtapose]

You do know there is a big difference between a fetus that is 6 weeks old and a baby that is 6 weeks old right?

[Zenit93]

I’d prefer a blanket ban, but this a good step.