They understand. Unless they're a retard, they understand. They just don't care. It's like telling a cartel hitman that killing is wrong. " Hmmmm. . . you don't say" as he sets out to fulfill his latest contract. There's no feeling from pro-abortion folks. They're a mite sociopathic when it comes to the unborn.
They cut it up, vacuum it put and sell what they can.
I put an actual abortion video on here and everyone went nuts. Amazing how people that love abortion can't watch one. I mean if it is cells , whats the problem.
Right? They won't allow anyone under the age of 17 to see certain movies without, "an ACCOMPANYING parent or adult guardian." Abortion is allowed without even notifying the parents. Tell me how a picture or video is then too violent if it's not rated PG (let alone R)?
Are you gonna adopt them babies? No you aren't. What'll happen to them after they're born? They live a terrible life. I bet they are so happy to be here now. 🤔
Interesting perspective. What do you call the life of a child who's sexually/emotionally abused? Trafficked by their own parents? Made to depend on drugs because their parents can't live without them? Literally murdered anyway because they aren't wanted. Sure there's a chance that they find a perfect family who will forever love them, and give them a fair advantage at life. But there's many more who don't get that. These are the lives I think about when we speak on abortion. If you don't see these kinds of lives as "terrible", well then. I suppose our debate is over lol.
So you're basically saying here that because so many unwanted children end up being abused and otherwise have a rotten life, it would have been better if they'd never had the chance to live in the first place. Nevermind the fact that many of these children do NOT have rotten lives, and go on to bigger and better things, but let's ignore that and kill them all anyway, because there is still the possibility their lives may not be ideal. Is that your argument for abortion? I really hope not, because it's just awful, absolutely dreadful.
I can see you like to focus on the potential that a life could still be good if born in any situation. Think about it like this ma'am. If a woman doesn't want to be a mother, why would she be a GOOD mother? If she doesn't want to be one, and the government forces her to have the baby she never wanted, what will you think will happen? There's no way you can tell me that child will be loved by a mother who never wanted them in the first place. So yeah, I think those *potential* offspring shouldn't be born at all. Being born in a situation like that, is tragic. Go look into the foster care system if you have time. The things that happen there right under people's noses is disgusting. Abortion should always be legal. If you want we could also get into body rights.
"I can see you like to focus on the potential that a life could still be good if born in any situation." YES! Of course! I haven't exactly had a wonderful life myself so far (although things now are really great), but if I'd been "aborted" I wouldn't have had any life at all. Where is the logic in the anti-life position? There's none!
Exactly. You don't think of the potential of a life that will go wrong. That's not realistic. Sure your life went well for you. But no one else is you. You can't speak for thousands of people who haven't even existed yet! Once again going back to my very first argument. Are you gonna adopt that child? You probably won't. Morbid I know, but the amount of parentless children don't lie. No one with a heart wants to think of it this way. But that is reality, we shouldn't pretend everything will be okay. It won't be.
"... a potential life that will go wrong" Everyone's life "goes wrong" at some point! Geez, are you really so naive, so cocooned? I see you're only 19. Well, you haven't even lived yet by most people's standards. Hardship is an integral part of life. No one avoids it.
Obviously! It doesn't take a genius to know that life isn't sunshine and rainbows. I was waiting for you to bring up how old I am to this debate. But it's very obvious others have it worse. And when your own parents don't even want you, you kind of get a bad start of life, and that's a fact. Dont call me cacooned, because I'm quite the opposite. You probably had a very nice childhood besides the occasional pain. Some of these people will struggle for the rest of their lives. Not wanting to see that is being niave. This conversation ends here. I said all I could to my case. Good day ma'am.
In order to kill a baby you first have to dehumanize it. If one focuses on the fact it has a heartbeat, a brain, tiny fingers, toes and eyes, it's a lot harder to refer to it a parasite. A newborn baby is just as helpless, defenseless and incapable of surviving on its own as an unborn baby.
Yes I know what they do and that doesn't change the fact that I'm pro choice. And not to mention that a lot of abortion they use pills so they don't do this.
@WhiteBoyChill yep prob a better option then staying in the mom that doesn't want them. Just imagine if the mom is a addict (drugs/alcohol) then the baby is born with all sorts of problems might not even survive. It's better that some women choose to get abortions to avoid issues like that.
Why is it that people think been pro life makes them need to try tell everyone everyday like anyone actually cares? Now that's unnecessary it's legal and was voted to be so that's the way it will stay get over it.
For the update: If you think it's unnecessary then surgery for broken bones should also be unnecessary. Accidents can happen but that doesn't mean you don't fix it.
i am pro-choice and yes i am aware of what happens to the fetus during an abortion, but even the woman who wants one knows and understands what will happen, it is not about not knowing and it is not about being a monster and killing a child it is about what is best for the woman. and her body. and yes sometimes accidents to happen and you can not take care of a child we all came from someone having sex so what our parents chose was up to them.
This is nicely put. These pro-lifers really don’t understand. I can see their point of view. I want to see less abortions but I’m still pro-choice. It’s not my place or anyone else’s place to make a woman go through a pregnancy she doesn’t want to go through. It really is about what’s best for her situation and her child.
@Cherry234 wrong who creates life tell me how it occurs can't wait for your thinking then again what 2and2 equals what's convenient who know you might not be real 37 or female after all God created eve because he made a mistake with Adam but then again, the father is a mother or whatever right Lizzy Bordon
@Cherry234 I'd like to know what percentage of "pro-lifers" actually adopt unwanted babies to keep them from the horrors of the foster system? I also don't hear them bitching about the Plan B pill, which could be viewed as "attempted murder" by their standard. I'm "pro" not having 65 year old men or women in Congress deciding what a woman should do with her pregnancy, just as much as I'm against the stupid decisions people make and their lack of responsibility and understanding.
It's a tough issue, and it's so easy to just say "it's murder" when the question of when life begins is still a personal opinion, which turns into a legislated one, everywhere in the world.
@loveslongnails I really don't know the percentage of pro-lifers who adopt unwanted children. They seem like a very small number. There are a lot of pro-life people (although not all are like this) who are anti-vax conspiracy theorists. They say "my body, my choice" when it comes to the vaccines but they want to deny women the right to decide what women choose to do with their pregnancies, like the OP here. These people aren't really pro-life. They're pro-birth. They don't care what happens to those children once they're born. Even if they end up living terrible lives, they think it's better that they're born rather than being aborted. No innocent person deserves to live a life of misery.
Also, @loveslongnails these people who are anti-vax and anti-mask don't actually take covid seriously. They treat it like it's a joke. One of my cousins caught covid from his parents recently. I was talking to him on the phone yesterday and over the weekend. He had a fever and said he felt weak when I spoke to him last weekend. He was also coughing yesterday when I spoke to him. Covid is not a joke and these people will finally get it isn't once they catch covid, God forbid they get it.
Of course this is all propaganda videos to distract from the fact that no one should be required to donate or lend their body for the survival of another.
I'm pro-choice. Everyone is entitled to make the best decision for themselves in that situation. And if we want to regulate womens bodies then we should be regulating the gender that can impregnate 50 women a day too🤗
Well when shit hits the fan and there’s another world war You women won’t be drafted so i don’t wanna here that laws controlling bodies bs and don’t say selective service is no longer active because as of 2021 even if you identify as a woman if you were born male you have to be registered
I'm POSITIVE I said what I said whether you wanted to hear it or not. Stop impregnating women you don't want to be with and then trying to force them to be single mothers because you're a POS who doesn't want women to have control over their own bodies lmfao. @Creampiekarl420 with a name like that I genuinely can't take you serious. Every single thing you say is irrelevant at this point
@Melanin_royalty the only way men can have sex is if a woman allows us ( rapist being the obvious exception) sounds to me like women should make smarter choices with their bodies so they don’t end up pregnant
Would you like it if someone decides what happens to your body? I'm sure you would want to keep the baby from the one who r*ped you, or would you think about your view different then?
If I made a choice that was gonna take a life, I'd expect choices to be made for me. Enough with the damn excuses. Women can make choices not to get pregnant in the first place when not forces. Rape victims can take plan B to avoid pregnancy from her rapist. People can stop f'cking their siblings. You got anymore excuses?
I don’t know, every time I have an orgasm, I get pregnant. Isn’t this super unusual since I’m a guy? Maybe I should see a doctor?
Let’s take the opposite side of what you said, for shits and giggles, of course. Is it possible for a human life to be a punishment? A significant number of abortions are in those in the lower socioeconomic status many of whom may already have other children and are struggling to make ends meet. How will another child affect all of those involved (mother, father, other children, the fetus in question)? Might there be a detrimental impact upon any of them?
I get that you believe that abortion is murder at any time whether it be a gamete from a newly fertilized ova or anything later. We disagree upon this definition. Nonetheless, where we can find common ground is to work to discover the impacts of all those involved, take a genuine look at foster care and social services in the U. S. and so much more. Many of us who are pro-choice may often feel as if the other side has a “get ‘em born” philosophy that does not take into account all of the complicated matters that often feel neglected and disregarded to us. Setting aside our differences regarding abortion/patient autonomy, it would be great to hear pro-life supporters talk about what they are doing to constructively address foster care/adoption in the U. S. How can we better the circumstances of all parties involved? What can we work upon together even if we do not agree upon the practice/legality of abortion?
@Bridgettebaeb01 That’s an uneducated reply. You’re talking as if all abortion is choice. Not medical emergency about planned and wanted children. Which takes up the far larger percentage of people undergoing the procedure.
It's brutal but they don't care i presume the doctors should just sterilise women who choose to abort then they can have their wish and not worry about getting pregnant with an unwanted child.
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They understand. Unless they're a retard, they understand. They just don't care. It's like telling a cartel hitman that killing is wrong. " Hmmmm. . . you don't say" as he sets out to fulfill his latest contract. There's no feeling from pro-abortion folks. They're a mite sociopathic when it comes to the unborn.
They cut it up, vacuum it put and sell what they can.
I put an actual abortion video on here and everyone went nuts. Amazing how people that love abortion can't watch one. I mean if it is cells , whats the problem.
who gave me a frown face?
Right? They won't allow anyone under the age of 17 to see certain movies without, "an ACCOMPANYING parent or adult guardian." Abortion is allowed without even notifying the parents. Tell me how a picture or video is then too violent if it's not rated PG (let alone R)?
Are you gonna adopt them babies? No you aren't. What'll happen to them after they're born? They live a terrible life. I bet they are so happy to be here now. 🤔
Yes, they'll live a life, which will be better than no life at all, even one that is in your opinion "terrible".
Interesting perspective. What do you call the life of a child who's sexually/emotionally abused? Trafficked by their own parents? Made to depend on drugs because their parents can't live without them? Literally murdered anyway because they aren't wanted. Sure there's a chance that they find a perfect family who will forever love them, and give them a fair advantage at life. But there's many more who don't get that. These are the lives I think about when we speak on abortion. If you don't see these kinds of lives as "terrible", well then. I suppose our debate is over lol.
So you're basically saying here that because so many unwanted children end up being abused and otherwise have a rotten life, it would have been better if they'd never had the chance to live in the first place. Nevermind the fact that many of these children do NOT have rotten lives, and go on to bigger and better things, but let's ignore that and kill them all anyway, because there is still the possibility their lives may not be ideal.
Is that your argument for abortion? I really hope not, because it's just awful, absolutely dreadful.
I can see you like to focus on the potential that a life could still be good if born in any situation. Think about it like this ma'am. If a woman doesn't want to be a mother, why would she be a GOOD mother? If she doesn't want to be one, and the government forces her to have the baby she never wanted, what will you think will happen? There's no way you can tell me that child will be loved by a mother who never wanted them in the first place. So yeah, I think those *potential* offspring shouldn't be born at all. Being born in a situation like that, is tragic. Go look into the foster care system if you have time. The things that happen there right under people's noses is disgusting. Abortion should always be legal. If you want we could also get into body rights.
"I can see you like to focus on the potential that a life could still be good if born in any situation."
YES! Of course! I haven't exactly had a wonderful life myself so far (although things now are really great), but if I'd been "aborted" I wouldn't have had any life at all.
Where is the logic in the anti-life position? There's none!
Exactly. You don't think of the potential of a life that will go wrong. That's not realistic. Sure your life went well for you. But no one else is you. You can't speak for thousands of people who haven't even existed yet! Once again going back to my very first argument. Are you gonna adopt that child? You probably won't. Morbid I know, but the amount of parentless children don't lie. No one with a heart wants to think of it this way. But that is reality, we shouldn't pretend everything will be okay. It won't be.
"... a potential life that will go wrong"
Everyone's life "goes wrong" at some point! Geez, are you really so naive, so cocooned? I see you're only 19. Well, you haven't even lived yet by most people's standards. Hardship is an integral part of life. No one avoids it.
Obviously! It doesn't take a genius to know that life isn't sunshine and rainbows. I was waiting for you to bring up how old I am to this debate. But it's very obvious others have it worse. And when your own parents don't even want you, you kind of get a bad start of life, and that's a fact. Dont call me cacooned, because I'm quite the opposite. You probably had a very nice childhood besides the occasional pain. Some of these people will struggle for the rest of their lives. Not wanting to see that is being niave. This conversation ends here. I said all I could to my case. Good day ma'am.
In order to kill a baby you first have to dehumanize it. If one focuses on the fact it has a heartbeat, a brain, tiny fingers, toes and eyes, it's a lot harder to refer to it a parasite. A newborn baby is just as helpless, defenseless and incapable of surviving on its own as an unborn baby.
Best comment by a mile. Its avoidant people dealing with an unborn child.
Yes I know what they do and that doesn't change the fact that I'm pro choice. And not to mention that a lot of abortion they use pills so they don't do this.
So a fetus being sucked up a vaccuum tube is totally alright?
@WhiteBoyChill yep prob a better option then staying in the mom that doesn't want them. Just imagine if the mom is a addict (drugs/alcohol) then the baby is born with all sorts of problems might not even survive. It's better that some women choose to get abortions to avoid issues like that.
Why is it that people think been pro life makes them need to try tell everyone everyday like anyone actually cares? Now that's unnecessary it's legal and was voted to be so that's the way it will stay get over it.
I'm pro choice and I do understand that they are removing a fetus and a fetus and human are different.
People too dumb to understand that, they think tadpoles are frogs too
For the update: If you think it's unnecessary then surgery for broken bones should also be unnecessary. Accidents can happen but that doesn't mean you don't fix it.
i am pro-choice and yes i am aware of what happens to the fetus during an abortion, but even the woman who wants one knows and understands what will happen, it is not about not knowing and it is not about being a monster and killing a child it is about what is best for the woman. and her body. and yes sometimes accidents to happen and you can not take care of a child we all came from someone having sex so what our parents chose was up to them.
This is nicely put. These pro-lifers really don’t understand. I can see their point of view. I want to see less abortions but I’m still pro-choice. It’s not my place or anyone else’s place to make a woman go through a pregnancy she doesn’t want to go through. It really is about what’s best for her situation and her child.
tell that before the great white throne.
@Cherry234 wrong who creates life tell me how it occurs can't wait for your thinking then again what 2and2 equals what's convenient who know you might not be real 37 or female after all God created eve because he made a mistake with Adam but then again, the father is a mother or whatever right Lizzy Bordon
@Cherry234 I'd like to know what percentage of "pro-lifers" actually adopt unwanted babies to keep them from the horrors of the foster system? I also don't hear them bitching about the Plan B pill, which could be viewed as "attempted murder" by their standard. I'm "pro" not having 65 year old men or women in Congress deciding what a woman should do with her pregnancy, just as much as I'm against the stupid decisions people make and their lack of responsibility and understanding.
It's a tough issue, and it's so easy to just say "it's murder" when the question of when life begins is still a personal opinion, which turns into a legislated one, everywhere in the world.
@loveslongnails I really don't know the percentage of pro-lifers who adopt unwanted children. They seem like a very small number. There are a lot of pro-life people (although not all are like this) who are anti-vax conspiracy theorists. They say "my body, my choice" when it comes to the vaccines but they want to deny women the right to decide what women choose to do with their pregnancies, like the OP here. These people aren't really pro-life. They're pro-birth. They don't care what happens to those children once they're born. Even if they end up living terrible lives, they think it's better that they're born rather than being aborted. No innocent person deserves to live a life of misery.
Also, @loveslongnails these people who are anti-vax and anti-mask don't actually take covid seriously. They treat it like it's a joke. One of my cousins caught covid from his parents recently. I was talking to him on the phone yesterday and over the weekend. He had a fever and said he felt weak when I spoke to him last weekend. He was also coughing yesterday when I spoke to him. Covid is not a joke and these people will finally get it isn't once they catch covid, God forbid they get it.
@Cherry234 I'm glad you get it.
Of course this is all propaganda videos to distract from the fact that no one should be required to donate or lend their body for the survival of another.
I'm pro-choice. Everyone is entitled to make the best decision for themselves in that situation. And if we want to regulate womens bodies then we should be regulating the gender that can impregnate 50 women a day too🤗
Well when shit hits the fan and there’s another world war You women won’t be drafted so i don’t wanna here that laws controlling bodies bs and don’t say selective service is no longer active because as of 2021 even if you identify as a woman if you were born male you have to be registered
How about you decide to not have sex before marriage aka The Best Option
I'm POSITIVE I said what I said whether you wanted to hear it or not. Stop impregnating women you don't want to be with and then trying to force them to be single mothers because you're a POS who doesn't want women to have control over their own bodies lmfao. @Creampiekarl420 with a name like that I genuinely can't take you serious. Every single thing you say is irrelevant at this point
@Melanin_royalty the only way men can have sex is if a woman allows us ( rapist being the obvious exception) sounds to me like women should make smarter choices with their bodies so they don’t end up pregnant
by the way creampies are desserts that’s your mind in the gutter
are you a lesbian?
@Creampiekarl420 are you a male showiness'
control complete control
agree, they are not medically necessary. they are emotionally believed to be necessary.
hard to believe we deal with this in this day and age, but humans just haven't evolved that much.
It is none of my freaking business
Another stupid nonsense cultural war issue while the elite brainwashed and divide the poor ass sheep while they screw everyone over
Would you like it if someone decides what happens to your body? I'm sure you would want to keep the baby from the one who r*ped you, or would you think about your view different then?
you sound like you may escape death
If I made a choice that was gonna take a life, I'd expect choices to be made for me. Enough with the damn excuses. Women can make choices not to get pregnant in the first place when not forces. Rape victims can take plan B to avoid pregnancy from her rapist. People can stop f'cking their siblings. You got anymore excuses?
*forced
Anti-pregnancy technology is effective enough to guarantee unwanted pregnancies, except in the cases of rape.
In case of pregnancy through rape, abortion should be started as soon as possible.
Plan b?
Plan B for what?
The plan b pill… can be taken 24 hours after and have like 80-90% effective.
This proves my point, abortion should not be accidental and neither is hetting there.
So you're basically saying that people should be punished for having orgasms
If you consider having a child is a punishment... yes that is how orgasms are "punished" in nature.
@EnglishEuropean thats one terrifying punishment, considering even the kid is punished to stay where he or she isn't wanted
@EnglishEuropean childbirth is highly subjective. What you consider bundle of joy is somebody else's idea of pain.
@EnglishEuropean LOL. If you enjoy punishing your orgasms (or those of others), you may enjoy the S&M side of BDSM D/s.
@Just4ThisNow2 Well spoken
thanks, dark cloud
sounds like you were
A human life is not punishment. And there's plenty of ways to have orgasms without getting pregnant.
I don’t know, every time I have an orgasm, I get pregnant. Isn’t this super unusual since I’m a guy? Maybe I should see a doctor?
Let’s take the opposite side of what you said, for shits and giggles, of course. Is it possible for a human life to be a punishment? A significant number of abortions are in those in the lower socioeconomic status many of whom may already have other children and are struggling to make ends meet. How will another child affect all of those involved (mother, father, other children, the fetus in question)? Might there be a detrimental impact upon any of them?
I get that you believe that abortion is murder at any time whether it be a gamete from a newly fertilized ova or anything later. We disagree upon this definition. Nonetheless, where we can find common ground is to work to discover the impacts of all those involved, take a genuine look at foster care and social services in the U. S. and so much more. Many of us who are pro-choice may often feel as if the other side has a “get ‘em born” philosophy that does not take into account all of the complicated matters that often feel neglected and disregarded to us. Setting aside our differences regarding abortion/patient autonomy, it would be great to hear pro-life supporters talk about what they are doing to constructively address foster care/adoption in the U. S. How can we better the circumstances of all parties involved? What can we work upon together even if we do not agree upon the practice/legality of abortion?
Does this make sense?
I wish I was aborted, how can you forceably bring a child into life that may not want to be born? That's cruel and evil
Exactly 👍
I don’t think pro-lifers realize that most pro-choice people are against abortions unless the mothers life is on the line.
If they are truly against abortions they wouldn't choose to get one point blank.
@Bridgettebaeb01 That’s an uneducated reply. You’re talking as if all abortion is choice. Not medical emergency about planned and wanted children. Which takes up the far larger percentage of people undergoing the procedure.
Yeah the child normally gets his Head crushed and his brain sucked out into his sink
It's brutal but they don't care i presume the doctors should just sterilise women who choose to abort then they can have their wish and not worry about getting pregnant with an unwanted child.
I wouldn't want to get an abortion, but I think other women should be able to.
Of course and that's why I would never do such thing. I'm not against abortion but I just wouldn't do it to myself and to my baby.