And again, another shooting... why?

[OddBeMe]

Too many guns

Not enough guns (really?)

[razelove]

More guns, less bullets. Not as in magazine capacity or anything stupid like that. Fertilizer prices are high right now, and you have two big chemicals needed, phosphates and nitrates. You need a lot of nitric acid to manufacture modern ammunition.

Doesn't matter how many guns you have, or how large the magazines are if bullets rise in price due to the market rather than direct government intervention. Say you have 5 guns, it is unlikely you will have them all in the same caliber. More likely it is a mix of pistols, rifles, shotguns. 9mm, .45, .22, .223, .308, .30/06, 12 gauge, what have you.

I already shoot one of my long range rifles less because ammo in that caliber was around.25 a round when I started practicing with it, but last time was around 1.50(cheapest I see now is 1.67), For the same price as 2 decades ago, I could only get 1/6 as much ammo. Wages haven't changed that much but bills have, so let's say 1/10 to be realistic.

If it rose to 5 dollars a round, I would be making sure I'm hitting game with every round to make it worth the money. Just some food for thought. All the guns in America will stay regardless of new laws or executive orders. Ammo is expendable and unless it was processed very specifically, has a finite shelf life. Firearms are protected by the constitution, putting taxes on nitric acid for ammo producers is not.

No one really wants to solve gun control because no one is looking at the ammo. You can make a gun, it would suck, but with access to ammo you can do it. Without access to ammo you would be required to make a gun and have access to a percussion cap black powder rifle. They kick like a mule and foul up after very few shots unless you have smokeless powder, which requires nitric acid.

Anyway, talk about gun control only drives up gun and ammo sales. If America was 1/4 armed with 5 or 6 guns per household last month, it's going to be up 2-5% households armed and 1 to 2 guns per household by now. It's what happened when Obama talked about gun control, and when the Brady Bill passed.

[Anonymous]

Not all but, but some shootings are setups. Not faked but they use MK Ultra to fuck people up, in many cases it starts from birth. Its like this. They orchestrate mass shootings then they use the media they compeltely control to make the big thing, and then have their puppets in political positions of power to try and enact more gun control and slowly conditoin the population to hate guns until they will give them up willingly

IN austraila and new zealand when a shooting happen at a school they just ban all guns no questions asked and because they didn't have a 2nd amendment like we do preventing that they could.

They do this so when they pull shit like covid lockdowns and forced vaccinations the people have not way to stand up against it. Meanwhile they flood the country with violent criminals, and allow criminals to run free giving them slap on the wrists. Remember when antifa was burning down cities? The only thing stopping them from going to peoples homes was 2A.

If you are falling for the scheme you need to wake the fuck up.

[OddBeMe]

Just think about the amount of idiots needed for these conspiracies. Billionaire Bezos can't even keep naked pics of him secret. Not that anyone wants to see them.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OddBeMe guy like this one are lost. They are the puppets to corporate america and have no idea of it.

[KelleyNice]

@ OddBeMe That is the purpose of the indoctrination of students public schools. To turn them into useful idiots that never question their lies.

[Marushka]

Switzerland has one of the most liberal gun laws in the world. Every adult citizen can basically buy and own a gun and many have guns at home from their mandatory military service. If guns alone are an issue why aren't there as many issues in Switzerland with homicidal (and suicidal) gun violence acts as in the US? Why is their gun homicide rate extremely low?

I'd argue that a big factor in gun violence in stable first world countries is mental health issues. Making people more aware of warning signs of mental problems, decreasing stigma around mental health issues so it's not something people try to hide and making resources and therapy easier accessible and available to anyone in need is a good step in the right direction.

[msc545]

As a mental health professional and want to address this a little bit. First, becoming a mental health professional is not exactly easy and it takes a lot of time. Generally speaking it means 4 years of college 6 years of graduate school 3000 hours of internship and possibly residency taking up even more of your life. It not only takes a long time it's also very expensive in terms of tuition. Next, after you've done all this and are trying to pay off massive student debt if you've taken out loans, either faced with the fact that people still under pay mental health people whenever they get the chance to do that. I'm at a point in my career where I don't have to worry about that too much but people just starting out get really lousy money. To make it even worse, malpractice insurance is extremely expensive and you have to pay that out of diminishing funds due to the fact that most public agencies won't pay you adequately. The result of all this is that there is a massive shortage of mental health people available to take care of people that really need it. Additionally, insurance companies and public agencies don't want to pay for mental health care for people that actually need it because they think it's too expensive. Results of this is that people like the shooter in Texas who had obvious needs for mental health care don't get it. Making it even worse, there are many people who don't believe that mental health is real or that emotional disturbances and the result of this is that they simply ignore obvious symptoms until something tragic happens. Good luck getting mental health care for anyone that doesn't have a lot of money available.

[OddBeMe]

This is false. Common misnomer. Swiss have the draft, which provides gun training. But if the citizens want a weapon at their home…oh my god the red tape they go through.

[msc545]

All male Swiss citizens who are or who have been in the military are required to keep a rifle at home.

[schittywok]

@OddBeMe The red tape you must go through to own a gun here. Don't be retarded.

[Marushka]

@msc545 Thank you for taking your time to elaborate the situation in the US more. The country I live in does neither have high costs for an academic education nor is the access to mental health a monetary issue. My work place offers free psychological support for example and encourages everyone who doesn't feel well mentally to take advantage of it.
What do you think would need to change to make psychological help easier accessible to people in the US?

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 no, not required.
www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2

[Daniela1982]

@msc545 Obviously the whole mental health industry needs to revamped. Mental health coverage needs to be increased so people can afford it. I don't know how psychologists who work in mental health clinics don't make that much money when they were making $250 an hour when I went to one. I was paying $75 co-pay every appointment and my health insurance for this had a cap they would pay. So after you reached your cap you had to pay the full cost. That is the reason many stop going as they cannot afford the bills. There needs to be more coverage, and also accessibility. It took me 2 weeks wait to get an appointment as most were way overbooked. And that is unacceptable for some who are in a crisis. They may need counseling now!, not in 2 weeks. Business was so brisk that they had to make a building addition and hire more counselors.

[msc545]

As usual, the problem is Capitalism. So nothing will fix it.

[msc545]

@Daniela1982 The prices at the one clinic you went to are not indicative of anything except the prices at THAT clinic. The y do not generalize to other practices.

[Daniela1982]

@msc545 Every clinic is probably different in their prices - whatever the market will bear. If you are really good, people will flock to you and you can negotiate a higher salary.

[msc545]

@Daniela1982 I do forensics and neuro. People come to me when they are very ill or in very bad trouble and they don't negotiate price. I charge a lot.

[Juxtapose]

"What do you think would need to change to make psychological help easier accessible to people in the US?"

As an American I can tell you that it's money. I could go on about the mental stigmas and whatnot but the biggest obstacle by far is money.

America pays a lot for healthcare and has little to show for it. Medicare for all would help remedy this.

[msc545]

@Juxtapose Exactly right. In the US, it is always about money.

[KelleyNice]

There are so many false flag operations by the USA. Most countries have false flags but the USA is extreme. Such event used to happen twice in a century. Now they are happening every month; more than 100 times as often. No intelligent and logical person believes people are that different from the past. Therefore, the only explanation is they are false flag operations by powerful people in favor of gun control. That is most likely, people high in the government that wish to disarm to disarm the public. Also, the government controls the investigations to make certain that the truth about the false flag is never revealed.

[OddBeMe]

The only explanation…usually i dont prompt crazy…but i just can't help myself.

How do you know that a false flag operation of shooting down children is the “only explanation”?

[KelleyNice]

I copied this verbatim from another person's post. It makes sense to me. However, you should ask him as he probably knows much more about it than I do.

[OddBeMe]

Why does it make sense to you?

[KelleyNice]

The fact that I don't believe people don't change that much. In the 1800s there was Jack the Ripper. That was when England was more violent then present day USA. And, there was a Texas tower shooting over 50 years ago, but generally there very few mass killing by disturbed people.

[KelleyNice]

Sorry about the double negative. I saw it as soon as I posted.

[Wsx2wsx2ws]

So sad. People are forgetting their history. They hear a story, get emotional, buy 100% the propaganda attached to the emotional hysteria and off they go to parade for gun control (or vax or masks or what ever the message attached to it). Has anyone looked at the states strong on gun control? Perhaps that stats for NY or Chicago?
Texas is prochoice. So we need to have this drama here to overturn its strongly entrenched population who are for guns.
Here is the thing. Are Drugs illegal? Are they on the streets anyway?
If so will criminals still get guns too? So who will be the ONLY one with guns?
The second amendment was NOT written for hunting. It was written to keep the government in check. When Biden said "deer don't have Kevlar jackets" it was to make you think guns for hunting only. They are not, and they know it. Why are they giving guns to 18yr olds in Ukraine? For hunting?

If this story has you hyped up for gun control you have absolutely missed every valid point in this incident and have not read the whole story.
The man was mental. He was reported as mental by a teacher. The man received sub standard help and was released knowing full well he was dangerous. This is ALL ABOUT our mental health care.

[DWornock]

@Wsx2wsx2ws The people working for the CIA are experts at finding some mentally unstable or easy programmed man. Then to give him drugs, torture him, deprive him of sleep, isolate him in solitary confinement, and bombard him with suggestions for days in order to program him to obey their commands. It doesn't matter if he is a poor shot and doesn't hit anyone because they have other shooters that will do that. Of course, they and other government agencies such as the FBI take total control of the fake investigation so that only their message is broadcasts by the government media. Of course, after they have programmed him and before the shooting, they may release him into the public for a while, then hospitalize him, and release him to make a plausible story.

[bingbongbangbung]

Why are you copy pasting that shit

[bingbongbangbung]

Project MK Ultra ended decades ago you fool

[KelleyNice]

@bingbongbangbung It makes sense to me. And I don't have any idea what Project MK Ultra is.

[Staximus]

@bingbongbangbung you're an idiot if you believe that

[Staximus]

You should definitely read about that

[Aerissa_Jade]

They allow guns in elementary schools here, concealed carry by staff... never ever had a mass shooting in a school here, cause a shooter would have no clue who is armed.

Maybe the solution is teaching gun safety, how to use guns (sort of like Switzerland) and then giving everyone a gun. Now that they know how to safely use it.

Start young, I started shooting at 8 and understand the dangers. Plus enforce existing laws better, no point in new ones when the current ones are being ignored.

Ultimately need to look at a solution that doesn't involve a simple tool, out law guns and I guarantee you every week we'll see on the news how someone rammed their car into a crowd of a hundred people and killed dozens. Then what, outlaw cars?

[OddBeMe]

I don't disagree that more gun training as a requirement would help immensely. It would also weed out assholes just trying to compensate for small dck syndrome.

But Switzerland is a misnomer in these debates. Like Israel, they have forced military training for their population. And to keep a gun... oh my god so much paperwork and registry.

Also, there are schools with police guards that still get attacked. Parkland had an armed policeman.

[normalice]

I don't get the parents, myself. If i had placed my future in my children but because dumbass republicans needer their nra money those kids were murdered, I'd just start killing republican politicians until someone killed me. Republicans don't care until it effects them, so make it effect them. Normalize the families of mass shooting victims shooting Republican politicians and gun regulations would rapidly seem a lot more effective to them.

But I suppose if I had kids I'd have to be a bit softer minded/hearted anyway so maybe I'm considering a sequence of events that assumes an unrealistic origin. Still, though, what's really the point of the second amendment if one can't use it to protect their own children from someone who is trying to murder them? How many degrees of separation is acceptable if it still results in the same dead kid?

[Oigit]

When we experience political and social strife mass shootings will become more common. Even if guns where not a common as they are we would see a increase. Because political and social strife do effect people on a mental and emotional level. Both sides of any given debate need to stop protesting, screaming at each other and start having open civil conversations.

People need to disconnect from social media and limit their exposure media that deals with a given issue. Because putting ourselves on a nearly 24/7 drip feed of social and political issues it only increases the the mental and emotional tension within us. Also people need to stop thinking in terms of group and think more in terms of individuals. Because when you start painting all members of a given group with the same brush it only further ratchets up the tension that is already there.

[goaded]

Trump needs to admit he lost the election. That's the biggest source of political and social strife since denying the reality of the pandemic (also Trump). All the Republicans who explicitly or implicitly support that crap need to stop it, too.

[EmbraceThePain]

There are a lot of guns in the US, but I do not think this is the reason for this shooting. If I know the shooting you’re talking about in Buffalo, it seems to suggest that people with malicious intent will find all sorts of ways of doing what they want to do. Now, this doesn’t mean you do not create laws whatsoever, but it does it mean that there comes a point where no amount of laws will create a perfect society and that people will have to accept that people with malicious or criminal intent will always exist. I think it may be hard for many to accept this fact so they try to find a myriad of solutions to create a perfect world, something of a utopia perhaps. I believe we should always strive or try to make improvements wherever we can, but there is a point of diminishing returns or unfruitful returns.

[goaded]

Sadly, that was a couple of days ago. This one is the killing of pre-teen children and their teachers. Of course there may have been another one while I typed this...

[EmbraceThePain]

To be 100% honest, there are a lot of individuals who are pro gun control and/or wanting to ban or outlaw firearms that use these shootings and the deceased as leverage to support their viewpoints.

In other words, their grief or horror is more or less feigned/faked, to hide their actual intentions.

[goaded]

Would you say the same about people opposing abortion? At least fetuses don't have to see their deaths coming or other children's lives being snuffed out because someone got upset.

Why do you think those people want guns controlled (which includes a majority of gun owners, by the way), if not to reduce the number of deaths?

[Loveisgirthy]

Too many guns in the wrong hands for sure for sure. This is another result of bullying one kid in highschool based on what was released about the kid that did it. It's the result of cultural and societal problems and people not knowing how to handle other people through life. There's multiple reasons people fall under to get to this point. If we want to fix it, it starts at the roots of reasons why. But we'll probably just see guns taken away at this point because simple actions are the way of old people and they still run everything. It's probably gonna get shitty before anything gets pretty.

[Daniela1982]

If one of the teachers killed would have had a gun there would not have been so many killed. A gun toting teacher could have been inside next to the door. As soon as the perpetrator entered the room they would blow his brains out and end it there. Instead they were all lambs for the slaughter.

[Rebecka33]

And if a teacher didn't have the side door prompt open from 3 hours most likely none of them would've been killed.

[OddBeMe]

@daniela1982 Ehh…cops have a 1 in 5 hit rate with firearms. What do you think tired, overworked, teachers would have?

[Daniela1982]

If he is 1 foot from her she couldn't miss.

[Daniela1982]

@Rebecka33 Seeing something like that you wonder if the shooting wasn't orchestrated somehow. I mean was the door left open every day or just this one? Why didn't the police follow their training and why was the school police chief in control instead of the city or county sheriff? Why, when the city have their own swat team did they have to wait for an outside swat team to get there? Was this all a set up to build up the bid to outlaw guns? And lastly, why didn't the kids break out windows to escape instead of being sitting ducks?

[Rebecka33]

Ya I do wonder sometimes I went to Newtown and there wasn't any sign of trauma or memorial just a few years later when I got to that school does make you wonder.

[Rebecka33]

Wel now I'm hearing reports she closed the door when she saw him. coming with gun which she prompted open with rock seconds before so she assumed it would lock and it didn't

[Rebecka33]

Now they want to investigate why th edoor didn't lock because the teacher rsaidnit was supposed to lock and for some reason it didn't

[BeMuse]

It's pretty obvious if you're not retarded...

scene of crime

[Soteris]

I mean.. USA has gone from recently achieving 1 mass shooting a day to almost two mass shootings a day. Until someone does something to fix the problems in USA things are just going to continue devolving. As far as mass shootings goes its no longer a rare occurrence in USA but the new normal.

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

Get the ASSHOLES in Washington to just enforce the hundreds of gun laws on the books already. England got so with murders committed with hunting knives they banned the sale of hunting knives

[Soteris]

@DARKCLOUD1945X Its sadly not that simple. Even if you stopped the sale and such today it is still a problem that has grown into extreme proportions and only time or extreme measures could resolve it.

[Staximus]

Because these lunatics know they can do whatever they want until the cops get there because A. People are cowards and B. dumb liberals make everybody who carries a gun a social outcast. It's ok to protect our country, money, and piece of shit politicians with guns, but why not our children?

[OddBeMe]

Criminals attack cops and run. And trained cops only have an 18% hit rate

[Staximus]

I can't believe dude killed his own granny

[NYCQuestions1976]

Lack of "residential" mental health facilities and institutions for the mentally unstable, since about the 1990s. The United States allows their mentally unstable to integrate into the general population, where they have the ability to access alcohol, narcotics, and social media, and allows them to live with gullible relatives, live in parks, in foreclosured residences, and in public transportation hubs in large metropolitan areas.

[Kiran_Yagami]

Not necessarily not enough guns, but not enough marksmanship. From the looks of the information we have now, the guy crashed his car into a ditch, came out shooting at bystanders, shot at police and fought his way into the school. That means the police actually engaged him before he made it into the school building, but failed to stop him. So either they didn't have sufficient firepower on hand or were unable to deploy it effectively.

[OddBeMe]

Trained policemen only have an 18% hit rate. And some people here want to arm teachers...

[Kiran_Yagami]

Arming teachers isn't a great white hope either. You need training to effectively gun fight, and school certainly isn't going to pay for that. Armed police are your best hope, but people only seem to want to defund the police, which is going to make their training worse.

[John_Doesnt]

Countries with fewer guns have fewer mass shootings. What could the correlation possibly be?

[OddBeMe]

Carefiul. They already call me a marxist

[alice55]

It's not the gun the problem it's the mental health issue of the murderer. It's not laws agains't gun that should be made but making mental health free...

[schittywok]

Everybody now do something fucking nuts? Don't keep on doing it... please keep your left tarded nutz out of my perview. Come out here, come to Butt Head. But please don't. Because we know what happens when it does. You bring your idiotic views with you. So, just stay the fuck put. Wallow in your own desires. Do that much for America, and for the fucking world.

[Paul09]

Because Murica! All they think about is making money for the army. They really don't care. They give out guns to anyone, even pyschos. No background check? No safety course, no nothing? You don't even have to lock up your guns it the triggers.. zero rules all about profit.

[anylolone]

Because you teach boys that words are violence and that they are justified to use violence against it, and also that they have no place in the world nor should have.
So the solution could be more guns, but it wouldn't solve nothing until we solve the YOU problem, the long march through the institutions problem.

[SlickRick24]

Hire veterans to guard the schools, arm the teachers end of story. Schools are so vulnerable because there Is hardly any armed law enforcement there which makes them easy targets. More guns less problems because those guys aren’t going in there if they know they are gonna get shot.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's not guns, because other countries have guns yet in other countries idiots don't walk in and murder little kids at a elementary school.

America is seriously broken and spiritually lost. Unbelievable.

[OddBeMe]

Look up how many guns and what's required to attain one in each country.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Doubt it's much. Hands guns and assault rifles are easily accessible. In Latin America it isn't hard at all.

Criminals use guns on other criminals or when they are robbing someone at gun point but they don't shoot and kill random people especially innocent kids.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah nah it is.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

[Miristheiss]

Because there are so MANY twisted, evil, awful humans.
Millions of guns exist... legal and black market.
Guns are NEVER going away.
No magic law will stop evil people.

[OddBeMe]

How have other countries managed it?
Gun deaths in Europe: hundreds
Gun deaths in US: 30,000 a year

[Miristheiss]

Less psychos produced by society.
Guns are everywhere.
You really think they do not have guns?
You think people that want guns cannot get them?

[OddBeMe]

Thats the thing. Euros have guns. Just more restrictions. And they have psychos who are forced to use knives. Bit somehow they kill less than AR 15’s with high capacity magazines.

[Better_off_here]

because we live in a country that wants us to defend ourselves.
we live in a world where we are angry and fed up with others and mainly we live in a world where want to be famous the media makes all criminals celebs which is what they want to be. ever watch Natural born killers?
that movie says it all about this country.

[goaded]

Arm all those 7-10 year olds!