And again, another shooting... why?

[OddBeMe]

Too many guns

Not enough guns (really?)

[razelove]

More guns, less bullets. Not as in magazine capacity or anything stupid like that. Fertilizer prices are high right now, and you have two big chemicals needed, phosphates and nitrates. You need a lot of nitric acid to manufacture modern ammunition.

Doesn't matter how many guns you have, or how large the magazines are if bullets rise in price due to the market rather than direct government intervention. Say you have 5 guns, it is unlikely you will have them all in the same caliber. More likely it is a mix of pistols, rifles, shotguns. 9mm, .45, .22, .223, .308, .30/06, 12 gauge, what have you.

I already shoot one of my long range rifles less because ammo in that caliber was around.25 a round when I started practicing with it, but last time was around 1.50(cheapest I see now is 1.67), For the same price as 2 decades ago, I could only get 1/6 as much ammo. Wages haven't changed that much but bills have, so let's say 1/10 to be realistic.

If it rose to 5 dollars a round, I would be making sure I'm hitting game with every round to make it worth the money. Just some food for thought. All the guns in America will stay regardless of new laws or executive orders. Ammo is expendable and unless it was processed very specifically, has a finite shelf life. Firearms are protected by the constitution, putting taxes on nitric acid for ammo producers is not.

No one really wants to solve gun control because no one is looking at the ammo. You can make a gun, it would suck, but with access to ammo you can do it. Without access to ammo you would be required to make a gun and have access to a percussion cap black powder rifle. They kick like a mule and foul up after very few shots unless you have smokeless powder, which requires nitric acid.

Anyway, talk about gun control only drives up gun and ammo sales. If America was 1/4 armed with 5 or 6 guns per household last month, it's going to be up 2-5% households armed and 1 to 2 guns per household by now. It's what happened when Obama talked about gun control, and when the Brady Bill passed.

[Anonymous]

Not all but, but some shootings are setups. Not faked but they use MK Ultra to fuck people up, in many cases it starts from birth. Its like this. They orchestrate mass shootings then they use the media they compeltely control to make the big thing, and then have their puppets in political positions of power to try and enact more gun control and slowly conditoin the population to hate guns until they will give them up willingly

IN austraila and new zealand when a shooting happen at a school they just ban all guns no questions asked and because they didn't have a 2nd amendment like we do preventing that they could.

They do this so when they pull shit like covid lockdowns and forced vaccinations the people have not way to stand up against it. Meanwhile they flood the country with violent criminals, and allow criminals to run free giving them slap on the wrists. Remember when antifa was burning down cities? The only thing stopping them from going to peoples homes was 2A.

If you are falling for the scheme you need to wake the fuck up.

[OddBeMe]

Just think about the amount of idiots needed for these conspiracies. Billionaire Bezos can't even keep naked pics of him secret. Not that anyone wants to see them.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OddBeMe guy like this one are lost. They are the puppets to corporate america and have no idea of it.

[KelleyNice]

@ OddBeMe That is the purpose of the indoctrination of students public schools. To turn them into useful idiots that never question their lies.

[Marushka]

Switzerland has one of the most liberal gun laws in the world. Every adult citizen can basically buy and own a gun and many have guns at home from their mandatory military service. If guns alone are an issue why aren't there as many issues in Switzerland with homicidal (and suicidal) gun violence acts as in the US? Why is their gun homicide rate extremely low?

I'd argue that a big factor in gun violence in stable first world countries is mental health issues. Making people more aware of warning signs of mental problems, decreasing stigma around mental health issues so it's not something people try to hide and making resources and therapy easier accessible and available to anyone in need is a good step in the right direction.

[msc545]

As a mental health professional and want to address this a little bit. First, becoming a mental health professional is not exactly easy and it takes a lot of time. Generally speaking it means 4 years of college 6 years of graduate school 3000 hours of internship and possibly residency taking up even more of your life. It not only takes a long time it's also very expensive in terms of tuition. Next, after you've done all this and are trying to pay off massive student debt if you've taken out loans, either faced with the fact that people still under pay mental health people whenever they get the chance to do that. I'm at a point in my career where I don't have to worry about that too much but people just starting out get really lousy money. To make it even worse, malpractice insurance is extremely expensive and you have to pay that out of diminishing funds due to the fact that most public agencies won't pay you adequately. The result of all this is that there is a massive shortage of mental health people available to take care of people that really need it. Additionally, insurance companies and public agencies don't want to pay for mental health care for people that actually need it because they think it's too expensive. Results of this is that people like the shooter in Texas who had obvious needs for mental health care don't get it. Making it even worse, there are many people who don't believe that mental health is real or that emotional disturbances and the result of this is that they simply ignore obvious symptoms until something tragic happens. Good luck getting mental health care for anyone that doesn't have a lot of money available.

[OddBeMe]

This is false. Common misnomer. Swiss have the draft, which provides gun training. But if the citizens want a weapon at their home…oh my god the red tape they go through.

[msc545]

All male Swiss citizens who are or who have been in the military are required to keep a rifle at home.

[schittywok]

@OddBeMe The red tape you must go through to own a gun here. Don't be retarded.

[Marushka]

@msc545 Thank you for taking your time to elaborate the situation in the US more. The country I live in does neither have high costs for an academic education nor is the access to mental health a monetary issue. My work place offers free psychological support for example and encourages everyone who doesn't feel well mentally to take advantage of it.
What do you think would need to change to make psychological help easier accessible to people in the US?

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 no, not required.
www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2

[Daniela1982]

@msc545 Obviously the whole mental health industry needs to revamped. Mental health coverage needs to be increased so people can afford it. I don't know how psychologists who work in mental health clinics don't make that much money when they were making $250 an hour when I went to one. I was paying $75 co-pay every appointment and my health insurance for this had a cap they would pay. So after you reached your cap you had to pay the full cost. That is the reason many stop going as they cannot afford the bills. There needs to be more coverage, and also accessibility. It took me 2 weeks wait to get an appointment as most were way overbooked. And that is unacceptable for some who are in a crisis. They may need counseling now!, not in 2 weeks. Business was so brisk that they had to make a building addition and hire more counselors.

[msc545]

As usual, the problem is Capitalism. So nothing will fix it.

[msc545]

@Daniela1982 The prices at the one clinic you went to are not indicative of anything except the prices at THAT clinic. The y do not generalize to other practices.

[Daniela1982]

@msc545 Every clinic is probably different in their prices - whatever the market will bear. If you are really good, people will flock to you and you can negotiate a higher salary.

[msc545]

@Daniela1982 I do forensics and neuro. People come to me when they are very ill or in very bad trouble and they don't negotiate price. I charge a lot.

[Juxtapose]

"What do you think would need to change to make psychological help easier accessible to people in the US?"

As an American I can tell you that it's money. I could go on about the mental stigmas and whatnot but the biggest obstacle by far is money.

America pays a lot for healthcare and has little to show for it. Medicare for all would help remedy this.

[msc545]

@Juxtapose Exactly right. In the US, it is always about money.

[KelleyNice]

There are so many false flag operations by the USA. Most countries have false flags but the USA is extreme. Such event used to happen twice in a century. Now they are happening every month; more than 100 times as often. No intelligent and logical person believes people are that different from the past. Therefore, the only explanation is they are false flag operations by powerful people in favor of gun control. That is most likely, people high in the government that wish to disarm to disarm the public. Also, the government controls the investigations to make certain that the truth about the false flag is never revealed.

[OddBeMe]

The only explanation…usually i dont prompt crazy…but i just can't help myself.

How do you know that a false flag operation of shooting down children is the “only explanation”?

[KelleyNice]

I copied this verbatim from another person's post. It makes sense to me. However, you should ask him as he probably knows much more about it than I do.

[OddBeMe]

Why does it make sense to you?

[KelleyNice]

The fact that I don't believe people don't change that much. In the 1800s there was Jack the Ripper. That was when England was more violent then present day USA. And, there was a Texas tower shooting over 50 years ago, but generally there very few mass killing by disturbed people.

[KelleyNice]

Sorry about the double negative. I saw it as soon as I posted.

[Wsx2wsx2ws]

So sad. People are forgetting their history. They hear a story, get emotional, buy 100% the propaganda attached to the emotional hysteria and off they go to parade for gun control (or vax or masks or what ever the message attached to it). Has anyone looked at the states strong on gun control? Perhaps that stats for NY or Chicago?
Texas is prochoice. So we need to have this drama here to overturn its strongly entrenched population who are for guns.
Here is the thing. Are Drugs illegal? Are they on the streets anyway?
If so will criminals still get guns too? So who will be the ONLY one with guns?
The second amendment was NOT written for hunting. It was written to keep the government in check. When Biden said "deer don't have Kevlar jackets" it was to make you think guns for hunting only. They are not, and they know it. Why are they giving guns to 18yr olds in Ukraine? For hunting?

If this story has you hyped up for gun control you have absolutely missed every valid point in this incident and have not read the whole story.
The man was mental. He was reported as mental by a teacher. The man received sub standard help and was released knowing full well he was dangerous. This is ALL ABOUT our mental health care.

[DWornock]

@Wsx2wsx2ws The people working for the CIA are experts at finding some mentally unstable or easy programmed man. Then to give him drugs, torture him, deprive him of sleep, isolate him in solitary confinement, and bombard him with suggestions for days in order to program him to obey their commands. It doesn't matter if he is a poor shot and doesn't hit anyone because they have other shooters that will do that. Of course, they and other government agencies such as the FBI take total control of the fake investigation so that only their message is broadcasts by the government media. Of course, after they have programmed him and before the shooting, they may release him into the public for a while, then hospitalize him, and release him to make a plausible story.

[bingbongbangbung]

Why are you copy pasting that shit

[bingbongbangbung]

Project MK Ultra ended decades ago you fool

[KelleyNice]

@bingbongbangbung It makes sense to me. And I don't have any idea what Project MK Ultra is.

[Staximus]

@bingbongbangbung you're an idiot if you believe that

[Staximus]

You should definitely read about that

[Aerissa_Jade]

They allow guns in elementary schools here, concealed carry by staff... never ever had a mass shooting in a school here, cause a shooter would have no clue who is armed.

Maybe the solution is teaching gun safety, how to use guns (sort of like Switzerland) and then giving everyone a gun. Now that they know how to safely use it.

Start young, I started shooting at 8 and understand the dangers. Plus enforce existing laws better, no point in new ones when the current ones are being ignored.

Ultimately need to look at a solution that doesn't involve a simple tool, out law guns and I guarantee you every week we'll see on the news how someone rammed their car into a crowd of a hundred people and killed dozens. Then what, outlaw cars?

[OddBeMe]

I don't disagree that more gun training as a requirement would help immensely. It would also weed out assholes just trying to compensate for small dck syndrome.

But Switzerland is a misnomer in these debates. Like Israel, they have forced military training for their population. And to keep a gun... oh my god so much paperwork and registry.

Also, there are schools with police guards that still get attacked. Parkland had an armed policeman.

[normalice]

I don't get the parents, myself. If i had placed my future in my children but because dumbass republicans needer their nra money those kids were murdered, I'd just start killing republican politicians until someone killed me. Republicans don't care until it effects them, so make it effect them. Normalize the families of mass shooting victims shooting Republican politicians and gun regulations would rapidly seem a lot more effective to them.

But I suppose if I had kids I'd have to be a bit softer minded/hearted anyway so maybe I'm considering a sequence of events that assumes an unrealistic origin. Still, though, what's really the point of the second amendment if one can't use it to protect their own children from someone who is trying to murder them? How many degrees of separation is acceptable if it still results in the same dead kid?

[Oigit]

When we experience political and social strife mass shootings will become more common. Even if guns where not a common as they are we would see a increase. Because political and social strife do effect people on a mental and emotional level. Both sides of any given debate need to stop protesting, screaming at each other and start having open civil conversations.

People need to disconnect from social media and limit their exposure media that deals with a given issue. Because putting ourselves on a nearly 24/7 drip feed of social and political issues it only increases the the mental and emotional tension within us. Also people need to stop thinking in terms of group and think more in terms of individuals. Because when you start painting all members of a given group with the same brush it only further ratchets up the tension that is already there.

[goaded]

Trump needs to admit he lost the election. That's the biggest source of political and social strife since denying the reality of the pandemic (also Trump). All the Republicans who explicitly or implicitly support that crap need to stop it, too.

[EmbraceThePain]

There are a lot of guns in the US, but I do not think this is the reason for this shooting. If I know the shooting you’re talking about in Buffalo, it seems to suggest that people with malicious intent will find all sorts of ways of doing what they want to do. Now, this doesn’t mean you do not create laws whatsoever, but it does it mean that there comes a point where no amount of laws will create a perfect society and that people will have to accept that people with malicious or criminal intent will always exist. I think it may be hard for many to accept this fact so they try to find a myriad of solutions to create a perfect world, something of a utopia perhaps. I believe we should always strive or try to make improvements wherever we can, but there is a point of diminishing returns or unfruitful returns.

[goaded]

Sadly, that was a couple of days ago. This one is the killing of pre-teen children and their teachers. Of course there may have been another one while I typed this...

[EmbraceThePain]

To be 100% honest, there are a lot of individuals who are pro gun control and/or wanting to ban or outlaw firearms that use these shootings and the deceased as leverage to support their viewpoints.

In other words, their grief or horror is more or less feigned/faked, to hide their actual intentions.

[goaded]

Would you say the same about people opposing abortion? At least fetuses don't have to see their deaths coming or other children's lives being snuffed out because someone got upset.

Why do you think those people want guns controlled (which includes a majority of gun owners, by the way), if not to reduce the number of deaths?

[Loveisgirthy]

Too many guns in the wrong hands for sure for sure. This is another result of bullying one kid in highschool based on what was released about the kid that did it. It's the result of cultural and societal problems and people not knowing how to handle other people through life. There's multiple reasons people fall under to get to this point. If we want to fix it, it starts at the roots of reasons why. But we'll probably just see guns taken away at this point because simple actions are the way of old people and they still run everything. It's probably gonna get shitty before anything gets pretty.

[Daniela1982]

If one of the teachers killed would have had a gun there would not have been so many killed. A gun toting teacher could have been inside next to the door. As soon as the perpetrator entered the room they would blow his brains out and end it there. Instead they were all lambs for the slaughter.

[Rebecka33]

And if a teacher didn't have the side door prompt open from 3 hours most likely none of them would've been killed.

[OddBeMe]

@daniela1982 Ehh…cops have a 1 in 5 hit rate with firearms. What do you think tired, overworked, teachers would have?

[Daniela1982]

If he is 1 foot from her she couldn't miss.

[Daniela1982]

@Rebecka33 Seeing something like that you wonder if the shooting wasn't orchestrated somehow. I mean was the door left open every day or just this one? Why didn't the police follow their training and why was the school police chief in control instead of the city or county sheriff? Why, when the city have their own swat team did they have to wait for an outside swat team to get there? Was this all a set up to build up the bid to outlaw guns? And lastly, why didn't the kids break out windows to escape instead of being sitting ducks?

[Rebecka33]

Ya I do wonder sometimes I went to Newtown and there wasn't any sign of trauma or memorial just a few years later when I got to that school does make you wonder.

[Rebecka33]

Wel now I'm hearing reports she closed the door when she saw him. coming with gun which she prompted open with rock seconds before so she assumed it would lock and it didn't

[Rebecka33]

Now they want to investigate why th edoor didn't lock because the teacher rsaidnit was supposed to lock and for some reason it didn't

[BeMuse]

It's pretty obvious if you're not retarded...

scene of crime

[Soteris]

I mean.. USA has gone from recently achieving 1 mass shooting a day to almost two mass shootings a day. Until someone does something to fix the problems in USA things are just going to continue devolving. As far as mass shootings goes its no longer a rare occurrence in USA but the new normal.

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

Get the ASSHOLES in Washington to just enforce the hundreds of gun laws on the books already. England got so with murders committed with hunting knives they banned the sale of hunting knives

[Soteris]

@DARKCLOUD1945X Its sadly not that simple. Even if you stopped the sale and such today it is still a problem that has grown into extreme proportions and only time or extreme measures could resolve it.

[Staximus]

Because these lunatics know they can do whatever they want until the cops get there because A. People are cowards and B. dumb liberals make everybody who carries a gun a social outcast. It's ok to protect our country, money, and piece of shit politicians with guns, but why not our children?

[OddBeMe]

Criminals attack cops and run. And trained cops only have an 18% hit rate

[Staximus]

I can't believe dude killed his own granny

[alice55]

It's not the gun the problem it's the mental health issue of the murderer. It's not laws agains't gun that should be made but making mental health free...

[NYCQuestions1976]

Lack of "residential" mental health facilities and institutions for the mentally unstable, since about the 1990s. The United States allows their mentally unstable to integrate into the general population, where they have the ability to access alcohol, narcotics, and social media, and allows them to live with gullible relatives, live in parks, in foreclosured residences, and in public transportation hubs in large metropolitan areas.

[Kiran_Yagami]

Not necessarily not enough guns, but not enough marksmanship. From the looks of the information we have now, the guy crashed his car into a ditch, came out shooting at bystanders, shot at police and fought his way into the school. That means the police actually engaged him before he made it into the school building, but failed to stop him. So either they didn't have sufficient firepower on hand or were unable to deploy it effectively.

[OddBeMe]

Trained policemen only have an 18% hit rate. And some people here want to arm teachers...

[Kiran_Yagami]

Arming teachers isn't a great white hope either. You need training to effectively gun fight, and school certainly isn't going to pay for that. Armed police are your best hope, but people only seem to want to defund the police, which is going to make their training worse.

[John_Doesnt]

Countries with fewer guns have fewer mass shootings. What could the correlation possibly be?

[OddBeMe]

Carefiul. They already call me a marxist

[schittywok]

Everybody now do something fucking nuts? Don't keep on doing it... please keep your left tarded nutz out of my perview. Come out here, come to Butt Head. But please don't. Because we know what happens when it does. You bring your idiotic views with you. So, just stay the fuck put. Wallow in your own desires. Do that much for America, and for the fucking world.

[SlickRick24]

Hire veterans to guard the schools, arm the teachers end of story. Schools are so vulnerable because there Is hardly any armed law enforcement there which makes them easy targets. More guns less problems because those guys aren’t going in there if they know they are gonna get shot.

[Paul09]

Because Murica! All they think about is making money for the army. They really don't care. They give out guns to anyone, even pyschos. No background check? No safety course, no nothing? You don't even have to lock up your guns it the triggers.. zero rules all about profit.

[anylolone]

Because you teach boys that words are violence and that they are justified to use violence against it, and also that they have no place in the world nor should have.
So the solution could be more guns, but it wouldn't solve nothing until we solve the YOU problem, the long march through the institutions problem.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's not guns, because other countries have guns yet in other countries idiots don't walk in and murder little kids at a elementary school.

America is seriously broken and spiritually lost. Unbelievable.

[OddBeMe]

Look up how many guns and what's required to attain one in each country.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Doubt it's much. Hands guns and assault rifles are easily accessible. In Latin America it isn't hard at all.

Criminals use guns on other criminals or when they are robbing someone at gun point but they don't shoot and kill random people especially innocent kids.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah nah it is.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

[Miristheiss]

Because there are so MANY twisted, evil, awful humans.
Millions of guns exist... legal and black market.
Guns are NEVER going away.
No magic law will stop evil people.

[OddBeMe]

How have other countries managed it?
Gun deaths in Europe: hundreds
Gun deaths in US: 30,000 a year

[Miristheiss]

Less psychos produced by society.
Guns are everywhere.
You really think they do not have guns?
You think people that want guns cannot get them?

[OddBeMe]

Thats the thing. Euros have guns. Just more restrictions. And they have psychos who are forced to use knives. Bit somehow they kill less than AR 15’s with high capacity magazines.

[Better_off_here]

because we live in a country that wants us to defend ourselves.
we live in a world where we are angry and fed up with others and mainly we live in a world where want to be famous the media makes all criminals celebs which is what they want to be. ever watch Natural born killers?
that movie says it all about this country.

[goaded]

Arm all those 7-10 year olds!

[HighValue]

It is too soon right now to know the motive for this particular case.

One reason though for some of the shootings is because the media and democrats promote and encourage hate and violence in the USA which leads to more violent crime.

[Juxtapose]

Doesn't matter, we can't afford gun control when losing guns means we have no leverage with the government.

Don't let the government monopolize lethal force.. it's a bad idea.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah! Cuz when the shit goes down our AR 15s will be no match for their drones, missiles, tanks.

Grow up.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@OddBeMe bingo! They actually think they would have a chance if the government mobilizes the military against the population. I am sure their automatic guns will do a lot against tanks.

[Juxtapose]

If the amount of Americans participating in the revolt would be the same as in the American revolution then that would be about 3% of the population.

Do you think the US military, after being left shattered by so many leaving it because they won't kill US citizens.. do you two really think they can take almost 10 million people? Because 3% of the USA population is just short of 10 million.

Tell me what army has faced 10 million people that were its own citizens and one, go ahead, I'll wait.

[Juxtapose]

*and won

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

They would kill US citizens without hesitation. It's their orders to protect their country and enforce the law.
Also numbers would not make a difference. What you they would accomplish? Let's say the police begins going door to door getting every registered gun there is. Even if some people inside an community organize to fight... what about their families? Food? Water? Shelter? The rest of the community that is against them for causing a small war where they live?

The government can cut their water, electricity, food. Watching their lived ones under a military scope and watch how fast they fold.

Those 10 million would never be able to organize fully to begin with.

[Juxtapose]

If things get bad enough then people will organize and other countries would love to have the chance to displace the USA government.

If things get bad enough then 10 million citizens will be more than enough to get rid of the current power structure in the United States. Heavily entrenched governments have been overthrown throughout history by far less.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Yes, but they didn't fought tanks with slingshots. I know people there have more than slingshots, but against their vehicles does about the same.

In history people either had help from the army or they were at a time in history where drones and bazookas didn't exist.

About the foreign countries that would love to see the US fall, they would have at least all NATO backing them up.

[Juxtapose]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 10,000,000 people can make a lot of bombs/black market connections.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

I am sure they can. All the fat redneck's against a trained and vastly more armed army.

[Avicenna]

@OddBeMe: You’re admitting that the US government would obey unlawful orders and commit war crimes against the US populace without those war crimes being prosecuted and with the continued support of the populace. That’s exactly the sort of regime people would fight against.

The hubris leftists have is crazy.

[Avicenna]

And someone who thinks it’s OK for the US government to wage war on the US populace and use disproportionate force while supporting disarming all private citizens is a real totalitarian.

[Juxtapose]

@Avicenna nailed it.

I think people need to remember that the government works for us and that the government should not be dictating what we do nearly as much as it does.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna you're admitting that you’d shoot cops or American soldiers if you thought say…the election was rigged.

[Avicenna]

Odd, you are dripping with desperation to get the government to persecute your political opponents. I said no such thing and unlike your sorry ass, I’ve actually defended this country and our freedoms. You and those who share your views that political opponents should be targeted with maximum military force are a danger to basic freedoms. Do you also understand that governments can’t just do what they feel like?

One of your fellow leftists here on GAG called for the „elimination of Republicans“. Are you in agreement with that or will your condemn his call for genocide?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Avicenna correct me if I am wrong, but during the pandemic a community made a small county right? I don't recall the name and google is not helping. But I am sure something like that happened. It was because they were against the government choices regarding covid. Lasted for a few days until the military came and end it.

Of course the army will come for the citizens that are not obeying the law. Is part of their job.

[Avicenna]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8: I f do not know anything about this alleged event. But I do know that the military is forbidden by law to be used for internal law enforcement and it is illegal to follow unlawful orders. It’s also illegal to use disproportionate force against political opponents. What leftists are giddy about is the possibility of doing just that.

[Avicenna]

It should also be mentioned that mass confiscation of privately owed firearms would be illegal, do ordering the military to do it or to play a supporting role would be an illegal order which by law must be refused.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Avicenna maybe in the news it was the police and not the military I really don't recall.
But if the military really can't fight the population then yes no one will take away your guns.

[Juxtapose]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 well of course, why do you think the USA has the national guard?

The regular military is not permitted to act against citizens within our borders.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Then they will not be enough to fight the armed population.
I may be wrong.

[Avicenna]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8: Yeah, if what you describe happens, it will be handled by police, not military.

No military personnel, and that includes the National Guard, are permitted to enforce administrative law, so even if Congress passed legislation that called for confiscation of all privately owned firearms that was not vetoed by the President and that legislation survived the inevitable court challenges, the military could not be used to enforce it. It would have to be enforced by law enforcement departments.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Avicenna learned a new thing today. Had no idea the military could not act against the population.

[Anonymous]

Americans a childish and psychotic about guns. They need better gun control laws

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

We do not need new and improved gun laws. What we need is assholes in Washington just enforce the multitude of laws already on the books but what is happening to the gun laws is just like our southern border if you ignore the problem and say nothing the problem will magically disappear. there are enough laws on the books to take care of most problems. The gun has nothing to do as to what it is used for it is the sicko nut job the disenchanted people who think they are God and act out their [problems with guns . Never mind the 10 day waiting period make it 30 days also check out the gun stores and people selling gun at gun shows that they sell guns and circumvent gun laws to make a profit double and triple check everything no exceptions and one strike your out.

[Opinion Owner]

@DARKCLOUD1945X You also need new and better gun laws. What kind of insane country lets an 18 year old buy an assault rifle?

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

assault weapon it is not it is a semi automatic weapon an assault weapon is fully automatic you hold the trigger and it fires all rounds till it empties the magazine

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

as i said there are hundreds of laws on the books that are not used why add more that are not being used why add more to them if you do not use the one already there.

[snowboarder720]

If only pro life cared more about being pro life for innocent children being murdered in schools than unborn fetuses.

[Reaper1985]

from what I understand the guy who did the shooting. had a warrant out for his arrest in his home country and he was in the U. S. illegally.

[msc545]

Totally untrue

[Reaper1985]

Then I had my facts wrong or misunderstood them from my source.

[Reaper1985]

But I know there are many shootings that happen on a weekly basis. Which don’t get covered by main stream media at the national or international level. Many only get covered by local news or alternative news if at all.

[OddBeMe]

And he’s a transexual who tried to break into the girls locker room, right?

You fckin idiots…

[possumpi26]

I'm actually wondering what made this kid shoot all those people too.. crazy!

[Rebecka33]

Wel one teacher left side door prompt open for 3 hours allowing anyone to just walk in that was the first thing so easy access for one.

[OddBeMe]

@Rebecka33 dumbest excuse I've heard. Anyone spouting should be ashamed.

[Rebecka33]

Well who leaves a side door open for 3 hours knowing that could happen

[OddBeMe]

@Rebecka33 just stop

[Rebecka33]

No I'm not gonna stop at all because it could've saved 20 lives

[Daniela1982]

@Rebecka33 Doesn't it seem odd that the one place this guy crashes his car is by a school with an open doorway?

[RationalMale]

There were cops on the scene when the killer arrived.

And instead of acting they waited outside to let the killer work.

The problem here isn't guns, it's yet another example of cops refusing to protect people.

[nawtee_me]

If he didn't have a gun he would have still found a way to do what he did. If he had used a car would you blame the car? The car dealer? The car manufacturer? Blame the one who is at fault, the 18 year old kid who did it...

[jshm2]

How else they supposed to fit in?

The running joke here of why we will not be American. We can't do a shooting, just to fit in.

[NathanDavis]

heard of it hours ago

why the surprise, as this point.. that's just America

[Massageman]

C. Not enough thinking!

Saying that guns CAUSE shootings, is like saying that forks cause obesity!

[OddBeMe]

Not it's like saying sugar causes obesity. Which it does.

[Anonymous]

A vote for Republicans in November is a vote for Domestic Terrorism. Ban guns.

[DARKCLOUD1945X]

A vote for the Democrats is a vote for Communism which you are living now with Biden and his mandates to destroy this country for the move to full communism

[EmyyWolf]

@DARKCLOUD1945X
Exactly they’re trying to turn this country into NORTH KOREA

[lofii]

Liberals are always down for some human sacrifice when it comes to furthering their agenda

That's why.

Liberals are the reason for all atrocities in this world

[OddBeMe]

At least you're looking at it without bias.

[Alex8736]

Liberal media. CNN MSNBC

[OddBeMe]

@Alex8736 as opposed to your stupidly biased right wing media...

[TheAfrikan]

It is just the beginning and it won't stop trust me. As long as guns are bought from racks like undies.

[belle_kai]

Any person should not be able to buy guns for themselves for their 18th birthday

How crazy does that sound! He bought guns for his birthday!

[IveGotNoName]

Because the US needs to get ahold of their second ammendment.

[Anonymous]

If more guns made things better or safer, America would be the safest country on Earth.
Stop buying into Republican horse shit.

[joeldalton]

Because liberal policies over the past 60 years have destroyed our society. This is at your feet.

[OddBeMe]

So it isn't right wingers masturbating over guns? Got it.

[joeldalton]

You think a tranny is a right winger? Lol.

[OddBeMe]

You think the shooter is a tranny? Lol

[joeldalton]

He was, dipshit.

[Fromdusktilldawn]

Its not the guns. I Germany they have stricter gun laws so some people just took their car as a weapon and ran into a pedestrian zone

[888theGreat]

How could this be? All those gun control laws by you liberals. I guess they don;t work.

[OddBeMe]

Like what gun laws?

[BillyBalls]

Chicago gun laws.

How's that working out?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

To anyone still defending guns... Go die. No really. I literally wish you die instead of those people. In this case children!

[ChefPapiChulo]

i wouldn't even say mentally ill people. its twisted people with access to guns. they are becoming more common.

[Anonymous]

It’s obviously racism. If that white school shooter didn’t hate black people, he wouldn’t have targeted innocent women and little girls of African decent.

[Anonymous]

because people are bat shit crazy and anti-gun nerds are orgasming over trying to get rid of legal guns and not focusing on people's mental health

[goaded]

How much money does Texas put into providing poor people with mental health support?

[Snakeyes7]

"Well gee, seeing all these crazy people really makes me wish I am less capable of defending myself"

[OddBeMe]

Maybe grow a brain and try to limit the access to guns these crazies have. If a trained cop only hits their target 18% of the time, you ain't gonna do better.

[Snakeyes7]

We already have to have background checks, what more do you want? Taking the guns away will only make people sitting ducks to people who don't care about what the law says.

I don't know why you are bringing up the accuracy a cop has. I'm guessing that's pathetic accuracy but I don't see how that is relevant.

[OddBeMe]

Do we have universal background checks?

[Snakeyes7]

Universal?

[WhiteBoyChill]

Because they have virtually zero security measures in schools to prevent these things from happening

[OddBeMe]

Parkland had an armed guard.

[WhiteBoyChill]

An armed guard who stood outside and did j*ck shit

[MrTaboo]

Not enough. Why do you think these things happen mostly in gun free zones?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

How about not giving them guns to begin with and this doesn't happen?
More guns will just make this happen more often.

[MrTaboo]

No, criminals don't care about laws. Which makes them criminals. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. Which is why I carry.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

The good guys with guns are called police.
You handing guns to everyone hoping more good guys than bad guys will get them, or use them, is wishful thinking.

[MrTaboo]

You have no idea how fast a situation can go from bad to horrible. Meer seconds, national average responce time for police is 5 Minutes. That's a lot of dead people before cops get there.

If you're ok with dozens dead everytime. You're a evil individual.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

And you think that if you have a gun in your pocket at all times that would help? All it takes is an heated argument, the fear of knowing the person in front of you also has a gun, and everything will go south very fast.
We can't just hand people a quick way to kill several others just like that. Otherwise you are asking for any bar fight, any dispute to end in trajedy! This much is obvious.

But since you can't just make everyone walk armed everywhere, what difference do guns make? The one with a gun will arrive and shoot people anyway. Even if another has a gun to stop him the first few people will still die. Do you know how they wouldn't die? No guns at all!

[MrTaboo]

I've been carrying for years. Know many that have for years. Your arguments are based in lack of knowledge. It has been proven many times in real world that a good person with a fun stops or drastically limits casualties in these types of situations.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Do you have a study saying so?

[MrTaboo]

Of course you're going to bit h about the source, libs do. But since mainstream media won't report it. www.shootingillustrated.com/.../

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

That is a NRA post. Do you expect them to be honest I'm this topic?

[MrTaboo]

See, called it!

[Anonymous]

I think Salvador Ramos was a white supremacist.

🤣

[Avicenna]

Mental illness, that’s why

[OddBeMe]

Every country has mentals. Why are we, by far, the leaders of mass shootings? Could it be the guns? Do you have the balls to answer honestly?

[Avicenna]

Are we "by far the leaders in mass shootings"? There are after all other countries which have significantly higher homicide rates. And even if private firearm ownership were banned, there would be plenty of criminals, especially criminal cartel members you like allowing unrestricted access to the US through open borders, that would be happy to sell them to the mentally ill.

And how many of these mass shootings occur a year in a population of over 330 million?

But perhaps you can tell me why mental illness continually is present in these mass shooters? And, like it or not, there is a link between mental illness and violence. Now, there may be environmental factors at play as well, or substance abuse, but mental illness is always there.

[OddBeMe]

Something tells me you’re gonna say Bloomberg is a marxist…
www.bloomberg.com/.../

[Avicenna]

It was obviously written by a leftist. Note they cite UN data (and we all know how you leftists worship the UN). Funny thing is, they don't parse out suicides.

And Bloomberg himself is very much part of the totalitarian left.

At the end of the day, Odd, you and the rest of the Austin soy boys don't seem to realize that people want private firearm ownership so they can protect themselves from the crazies that commit violent crimes, especially the ones you leftists won't prosecute or let out on zero bail.

[OddBeMe]

Just for future debates for whackos in the right, what sources of data do you recognize as non marxist?

Daily wire and alex jones can't be your only source….

[douride2]

To many crazy people.

[maximiliaanW]

Renew the amendments and stop selling guns

[Lord_Saddler]

Because the US is a failed society, duh!!!

[Anonymous]

To take away our guns

[OddBeMe]

I'd say you fcks lost that privilege.

[Opinion Owner]

No moron. That’s a theater. The governments are putting these CRISIS ACTORS there. So that they MAYYY take away every guns.
Why?
Because they want this country to be like NORTH KOREA

[OddBeMe]

Oh, jesus someone took their crazy pills.

[Opinion Owner]

No. Someone just knows more than you.
Go to BITCHUTE online

[OddBeMe]

I prefer more accredited sites that don't rile me up.

[Opinion Owner]

Anything easily accessible is there too convince you of what’s right. You love MainStream GOOGLE and your TV.

Don’t even get me started started on the NEEEDLES

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
You’re in a controlled world. Everything you see on a screen is controlled. All the famous people.. controlled.
Look up crisis actors on BITCHUTE.

And here’s an idea. Post anything AGAINST the shots anywhere online. Here. Facebook, Instagram.
Watch what happens.

[OddBeMe]

It's funny when they rile you up you think you're getting truth but it's corporate bullshit. They're making money off you people.
www.cbsnews.com/.../

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
Post anything AGAINST the shots anywhere online. Here. Facebook, Instagram.
Watch what happens.

[OddBeMe]

Against the shots?

[Daniela1982]

@emyywolf I remember that movie with rowdy Rod Piper.

[schittywok]

@OddBeMe We lost what privilege?

[Opinion Owner]

@Daniela1982
Well.. it turns out that Movie is true Daniela.
Look up.. “Old Original U. S National Anthem”. You might just notice certain words on the lyrics if you slow it down.
ACTUALLY.. don’t even bother looking up.. it might not show up, cause it’s shadow banned.
But I’ll try to share it here.

https://youtu.be/o4MysDsJ8Gg

[Anonymous]

A trans woman shoots up a school

[msc545]

Why not? After all... its Texas!!

[LimitedBenefits101]

lol the world gone nuts.

[Anonymous]

crisis actors

not real

[jimmy2]

Congress is weak