
Americans: Would you rather have seen the 40 billion used to "harden" our schools for the safety of our own children, or have it sent to Ukraine?

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Ukraine is a corrupt sinkhole, but the government keeps pouring our tax money into it because politicians, their friends and family and government contractors (especially defense contractors) benefit from it. It's a lot easier to hide corruption in "foreign aid" to graft-filled countries than it is for federal grants to harden schools. We also don't have a national security interest in Ukraine, but we sure do on our open southern border that the government refuses to secure.
And, unsurprisingly, the White House Press Secretary has said that Biden doesn't care about hardening schools. Actually, no Democrat seems to.
I didn't press secretary actually said that?
I bet CNN and MSNBC didn't report that.
Harden schools there seems to be plenty of covid money around to rebuild high school sports fields. Yeah that sound covid related a long with the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on non covid crap recall all that money and reallocate to be spent on securing our schools. But we know our senile President will give it to where it is not needed. If he does not want to spend it on schools how about our southern border would be ok but not Ukraine
I would vote for you for president.
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I think that turning all, or most of our nation's schools into something similar to prisons or military bases is not warranted in our situation, as we would be trading a generally healthy and safe atmosphere for one of fear because of extremely rare events.
Most "mass shootings" are not random school massacres.
If we lived during a time of major world conflict, or if school shootings had a significant chance of occurring, then I would say "We need to all be protected.", but as it stands, there is an extremely low chance of anyone dying from a school shooting.
In particular, we should probably stratify mass shootings and school massacres through several variable types; like race, student to teacher ratio, average income, state, and many more factors. Then we can see if there is actually a problem in specific communities or kinds of communities, and we can see if certain social arrangements should have more security than others.
Also, all-in-all, I think that hurting Putin's regime can only help us all. His government and personal network is in direct opposition to our (America's) best interests.
All schools should have operational metal detectors. Period. Along with that, the United States needs to bring back residential mental institutions. The existence of firearms hasn't changed, but the existence of insane asylums has changed. They started closing them in the 1970s, and were all just about gone by the 1990s. It's no coincidence that Columbine happened in 1999. Now mentally unstable people are integrated into the general population, living with gullible relatives that make excuses for them, living in public parks, living on the streets, squatting in foreclosed residences, and living in public transportation hubs in large metropolitan areas. The sick allure of committing copycat or one-up crimes, social media, and the pandemic shutdown are also all contributing factors.
It should have been only one door going into the school and it should have at least one cop at it and you're right about the metal detectors. This would have never happened.
And I don't know how much it would cost or how feasible it would be, but I think facial recognition detector should be in there also. the school kicked him out and they know he was crazy, and the cops knew he was crazy. But they just want to blame the gun that did it.
Good points, but in the aftermath specifically, there is definitely one thing the police in that area need to answer for: Their response. It was atrocious. They took far too long to show up, and then milled around once they did, because there was no clear operation leader. I've actually learned some of this emergency response coordination being in the construction industry. They needed to show up, pick a recognized operation leader, and that person needed to start calling the shots. All of that should have been accomplished in minutes. By the accounts I've seen so far, none of that was done, and that's inexcusable.
They had an incident leader right there and he's the one that's told them to stand down and wait for swat. He's the one that should be in the hot seat, not all other cops.
As forward the amount of time getting there, I don't know what happened.
Olne lady on the radio said that there is an electronic way to make it easier for the in cops to get there. I'm not clear if that is, but if that works it works.
Yes. I agree he needs to explain himself. As for $40 billion, don't worry. With inflation, it's only like 20 bucks. 👍😂
Blaming inanimate objects is easier than real talk about societal issues, because that leads to finding rich powerful privileged people at fault and exposes their crimes. THIS IS THE REASON THERE IS EVEN A DEBATE ABOUT GUNS. Wake up suckers!
Right after Sandy Hook there was a large sum of money sent to the school districts throughout the United States to beef up their security systems. The schools in my school district have done.
After hearing some information on the ordeal Uvalde school one of the doors to the school was left a jar bye somebody. Basically the security system was broken in that school system because the side door. Was it another student or was it a teacher waiting for somebody to come. The maniac went around to all the doors in that school looking for a weak point to enter. Does the doors have alarm systems on it to let you know that it was left open. Do they have a silent alarm that notifies the staff in the main office. In my opinion there are quite a bit of faults in this situation not just the police.
I agree with you on all of those points. Everybody just wants to put it all on the cops, but there's so many people that dropped the ball on this.
Who says they had to spend another $40B they don't have, regardless of what it's spent on?
Should they have decent security at schools? Of course. But that ought to come out of the outrageous amount they already spend on personnel who don't actually teach. Nobody's going to miss a few less vice principals, superintendents, and union reps.
No one said that.
I worked in a K-12 school system and I had to buy my own office supplies and had to supply my own computer for the first 3 or 4 months. I am not surprised that school security is underfunded. We should be hardening our southern border and using the 70 billion dollars a year that we have to spend on illegal aliens to harden our public schools and help our veterans and senior citizens.
So I'm guessing you wouldn't send the money to Ukraine?
You racist!!! lol
And those other countries were cheating and not spending their fair share on their military. Trump fixed that. When those caravans were just passing through Mexico on their way to America, Trump told them that wasn't going to fly. Mexico fixed it. If you find a copy of this at a garage sale, buy it.
I would say they were used to getting their own way, and Trump didn't play ball with them. I was amazed when Mexico brought out their military to help keep back the caravans. How could Trump pull that off? What did he say to the Mexican president? Whatever he said, it worked.
in the book, Trump said he works from 6 am to midnight, every day. Seven days per week. And I don't think that changed over the years. He's a working machine. He moved into Trump Towers, because he thought that commuting was a waste in time. Why not just live where you work?
I actually hope he doesn't run in 2024, because America doesn't deserve him. He poured his heart and soul into making America great again, and America just shit on him. He never even collected a pay check while in office. I'm going to ask a question, and I'll post the link right here.
Given the tiny risk of a school being attacked (yes, it's awful, but *numbers*, people!) and the irrelevancy of Ukraine (we said "You can't join NATO", TWICE, then sent twe million free rides at Harvard to help them- TWICE; what does that say about our honesty?), I'd rather the money be spent fixing our decaying infrastructure. If you're anywhere near the Hoover Dam when it blows, you won't care about EITHER of those issues.
This is the best reply so far. But was it the US that told them they can't be in NATO?
And I agree that the money would be better spent elsewhere, but this question is about a debate going on with parents. I understand how furious they are when they see us giving money away to other countries.
Actually, I don't know who voted which way, but they were rejected for membership.
And believe me, I share the frustration of seeing more money than a hundred average Americans will see in their lives sent off to other countries; I'm living out of my car.
I worry about that too, they say we're all one paycheck away from living on the street.
The schools don't need any more money. They already get too much. I get sick and tired of paying so much tax for schools to just waste on stuff they don't need.
Keep in mind that in the US schools are funded almost entirely at the state and local level. When the feds give money for anything, it gives them more control. The feds should stay the heck away from education.
As for Ukraine, I have not looked at it closely enough to have an opinion.
Maybe you might want to look at something that's been in the news everyday for months. Russia invaded Ukraine. They are slaughtering citizens. If Putin is backed into a corner, he might fire a nuke at Ukraine. If that happens, then we will have WWIII, and you won't have to worry about paying taxes.
I know al about Ukraine. I meant that I don't know enough about the aid that's being given, and what other countries are giving. I also have no idea what it will take to chase Russia out of Ukraine.
No one knows what it will take for any of this. I was just relating what angry parents are saying. They resent the money going to Ukraine.
I know they don't like it. People don't like it no matter what the government spends money on. They also don't realize that the US spends more money on education than any other country in the world. But parents want to spend more more more. They think it's the solution to everything. If they want to spend more on education they can send their kids to private school.
The real problem is that schools and just about every government agency wastes a LOT of money. Then no matter how much they get, they'll have their hand out wanting more.
I debated a woman on here yesterday. I wanted school choice and school vouchers. I didn't say to eliminate the wonderful government system that graduates kids that can't read or write. I just said their should be an option for parents who expect more bang for their buck.
That's been an issue for a long time. We debated that issue in my high school government class 50 years ago. To be honest, I think most people don't care much about that issue. It doesn't cost the government anything since they don't spend more. But I also see the other side. Money would be mostly be going to private for-profit companies, or to religious organizations.
Contrary to what a lot of people think, the US has some of the very best education in the world.
You do know why we hand out all this money to other countries, right? If you don’t, I would advise you to look into the Clinton foundation bank hack for all the receipts of kickbacks from foreign aid recipients.
Oh I'm sure, and there'll be plenty more billions to go to Ukraine after this.
I would much rather see that kind of mindless money-dumping (first off, not so recklessly but with specific, beneficial purpose) put to use in our own broken country than sent to another broken country that isn't even our ally historically or currently.
Consider Putin's aims. It would be quite feasable for him to invade a Nato country, dragging US into a conflict. That would probably cost a damn sight more than 40 billion! If nuclear weapons get used, there might be no US to worry about 40 billion!
Would Russia be a threat to America if America wasn't in Europe?
What if I compare Russian society to American/Western society, school shootings, obesity, cost of living, et cetera, and decide that I like Russian society more anyway, so I don't care if Putin conquers my country?
Would there be a war in the Ukraine at all if the Obama administration had not conspired to stage a bloody coup d'etat in Kiev in 2014?
Let the Netherlands pay out the money. Also, what was the very first word in my question?
@OldWorldOrder
We're there because the US needs a new war. And Biden is doing everything in his power to get that war started.
Americans seem more interested in the Republican/Democrat fight than anything. Just my observation from outside.
Exactly. Let us to the Republican/Democrat back and forth, and let your country do all the heavy lifting. We can all sit back in America and watch it on the news.
Until you get dragged into it! 🤣🤣🤣
Just as long as your country is drug into it and leads the way.
Jep, looking at this globally may help some people
There's too much "staring at my own belly button" going on lately.
(by the way This is *not* directed at the USA alone)
The problems is getting out of control and there needs to be some brakes used
Well the Ukraine thing actually hastens the downfall of the American Empire, which makes the kids much safer in the long run anyway, so I support that.
What will they do with the money?
Who cares? The dollar is about to crash anyway lol.
Its all part of the plan to bankrupt America, move to world domination and depopulate the world.
Research it
I'm surprised such a nefarious plan leaked. Who's plan is it?
Good question I’m not sure. I guess deal with homeless situation is my vote
Well that wasn't one of the options but okay.
American schools sound beyond saving. at least Ukraine we can do something I guess but perhaps a mix of both
As a non American there are 2 questions...
To number 1, no, because they are your gun laws and your responsibility
To number 2, yes
Send that shit to Ukraine.
To me, we wouldn't need to spend this much money if guns weren't all over the place.
Exactly, notice how few liberals are complaining about this?
What exactly do you mean?
The 40 billion in aid.
Schools shouldn't need protection
How about just lock the doors?
Home always is first
Harden schools
I feel terrible for the people of Ukraine, but we can only do so much. 
Take that last story and run with it if you want. It's just so draining asking questions on this site.
Why does America have to be the world's police? I guess inflation isn't high enough, yet.
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