Well said. I'm sick of all this love and accept everyone as they are crap. If someone has these deep down "disphoria" feelings, keep that to yourself. Or if need be, only discuss it with people who care. (And get some help) Don't advertise it. It's crazy how these people started out just wanting to be recognized, now they want to get first place in competitions where they don't belong. And even if you struggled to be a good competitor as a man... Wouldn't that give you more insentive to train harder? I can't tell you how many times I had to put in a boat load of extra work in order to be the best at something. Even when I didn't get first place or place very high, I was happy with the results of my efforts. It's very satisfying to do more work than someone else and know that those efforts beat someone who doesn't need to try as hard. What happened to men having this mentality? What happened to men being men?
It’s about time! Now the next step is to strip the man of his victories and medals and give them to the person who got second place as they would be the rightful victors.
The final step will be the admission of guilt and folly and apologizing to every single woman that had to compete against that man.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. How in any way is it right to let that man compete against women in their own sports?
A male will never lose their upper body strength that women don't have. It's a guys upper body strength that gives him an upper hand and then he wins. If he had the same strength as women have, it would be a fair competition.
Let's ask those guys if they are willing to have surgery to remove his upper body muscles in such a way that he would be more like a woman inside. I bet he would say no to that.
I'm not saying women don't have upper body strength, but guys are born with more, that's all I'm saying.
The point of the separation of gender in sports isn't arbitrary - it's there so the men don't dominate in EVERYTHING, and women have an opportunity to compete! Just switching your personal gender doesn't change the fact that you are still stronger!
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The buoyancy of a biologically male body is different than that of a biologically female body. Weight distribution also is different, which puts the biologically male individual at an advantage in activities such as swimming. A biologically male individual should not compete against someone that is biologically female, due to those natural advantages. Period.
Just because you don’t identify as the sex you were born into, it doesn’t mean your chromosomes change along with how you view yourself. You can identify as a carrot for all I care. Enough with the denial. Biologically you will never change no matter how much you want your biology to. It doesn’t work that way.
It needed to be done. We can't have professional and semi-professional sports where non-biological women compete against biological women. Biological men produce testosterone, and no amount of hormone therapy can eliminate the muscle mass that was generated by having natural testosterone prior to the hormone therapy beginning. You also set up situations where some biological men were competing at a high level and barely being ranked, and then they decide to transition and completely destroy all if the best biological women in the same sport.
I get that people are told to be their true self. In that it don't matter what I think.
I get that people are told to express them selves. IN that I will listen but I get to express myself too.
But here is the kicker. Just because you want to be your true self and express yourself does not mean the rest of us have to stop.
Change yourself all you want but don't expect the world to change with you, for you. That line is one, if you cross it, expect a whole lot of expression.
Drugs and even surgery do NOT turn a boy into a girl. Period. A woman is a woman and "trans"women are NOT women. Therefore, they should not be allowed to compete against women in competitive sports.
Trans athletes who want to compete against woman can eat shit. I don't care about their tender feelings.
FINA has made a sensible ruling. A person who goes through puberty as a male and then changes to female is not allowed to compete in women's swimming events... because it can give them an unfair physical advantage. FINA is planning to have an "open" category for anyone to compete.
That seems fair to me.
There's still something unfair going on. At most colleges & universities men's sports like football and basketball have to fund sports that not enough people want to see like women's college sports & trans-dudes. If a team can't fund itself for say 5+ years then something is wrong. Maybe there's too many teams out there.
The other thing is that people aren't asking why it takes a sporting authority to deal with this? Why didn't dads/boyfriends/brothers deal with it the 1st second some dude showed up in a female locker room? Or at the very least give those females baseball bats and expect them to deal with it? Because something is deeply broken with western society today & changing a sporting rule doesn't fix that either. We're probably 20-25 years down the road after taking a wrong turn.
"Shame on you people trying to erase women"
That reminded me of a meme my little nephew sent me. lol
Thankfully, fucking common sense has at last prevailed.
I have said this multiple times already. I think dividing the top echelons of sport tournaments into arbitrary groups is fundamentally against the spirit of competition. It is as absurd as dividing white and black athletes. If that means that black people will dominate some sports then that is just the reality we live in as the best should be proven to be so through a competition with the rest and not isolated from competitors for stupid reasons.
So I once again repeat myself. Dividing tournaments into male and female is fucking retarded.
Dividing boxers in weight classes makes a million times more sense than dividing it on gender. Also I literally give zero fucks if 99% of all Olympic medals will go to men for the same reason that there can only be one winner and everyone else is a loser anyway. Cutting people off the competition just because they have a low chance of winning would make for very fucking few athletes in any tournament.
I was happy to see this.
I am for social rights to trans, but them competing with women goes against the rights of women.
There is a biological difference. As hard as it is to accept, there is.
Nothing is wrong with that.
And sure some girls are stronger than some guys, but that is not the norm. As much as we want there are biological differences.
Trans should have a good life. Rights, access to healthcare, etc. But even we support their transition we have to acknowledge that there was a transition. And that transition will not be 100% perfect.
The WHO already labeled gender dysphoria as a mental illness. I understand that a transition is necessary as treatment.
When did they lied about covid?
I know they got some stuff wrong, but to get stuff wrong on a virus that you are yet discovering is normal.
Gender is a social construct regardless if whatever we were aware of it or not. Doesn't matter that the first person that was aware has this or that wrong idea. He was still right regarding gender.
Think about it. In the past men wore dresses. Pink was for boys. High heels were created and used by men at first. All of this is socially imposed as times change.
In my opinion gender as a concept should not exist because it is completely meaningless and worthless. All it is is a collection of stereotypes! Me picking up sewing or wearing a frilly dress doesn't change my chromosomes, it's a stupid concept. I can't be "mentally" female. To be female is not what is in my head, it is what my body is.
I agree! Gender is a therm that should the thrown away.
In the video I just posted on your other question he talks about "gender" not being a concept in biology. So why even use it?
This is against the elites not for them.
I agree that we shouldn't force or influence anyone to change sex. But if someone is diagnosed with gender dysphoria and wants to change, why not? It's a very very small percentage of the population. The more we normalize it, the less you will hear about it.
Then why is the trans population EXPLODING amongst the youth? Parents are LOOKING for signs of trans kids and then transitioning them against their will. My last gen z girlfriend thought she was trans just because she was unconfident with her appearance. She's fucking beautiful, can you imagine how angry I would be if my ex chopped her breasts off and ruined that part of her beauty just because of some sick ideology that was originally made by a pedophile?
That is what is making this absurd. Misinformation runs free and people get confused. Again, let trans people transition and don't make it a big deal. That way no one will hear about it and no one will be confused. The one with dysphoria will seek help, learn about transition and if necessary do it in private.
Don't let the media confuse you. My mother is a kindergarten teacher. My brother and sister are still university.
My mother has no kid that has a trans or queer parent. Neither my brother is sister has meet a single one at university.
I know it's pride month and we see news about it everywhere. But they are a very very small percentage of the population.
Let people transition at their own free will when they are adults but fuck I want this stuff to stop being pushed and popularized. Young girls who are feeling bad about how they look will find the grass looks greener on the other side but when they get to that other side it is actually less green and they can't go back.
" I want this stuff to stop being pushed and popularized. "
With this I agree.
They should have already done this. Women athletes shouldn't have to compete against men. It's grossly unfair and makes a mockery of the competition.
I'm in agreement with it there is a reason we separate biological male to female in sport changing your gender don't get ride of that exception so good
It's common sense... I don't know why it's a debate for some people
https://youtu.be/1qXVOsI2KNE
That's the origin of all this nonsense. You might see me make a post about that later on.
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The distinction should be/must be on biological sex. Anything else is woke nonsense.
The females need to start speaking up in a real way. I mean otherwise, these troons will just rape them in the bathrooms, prisons, and in sports.
Took so long. Now I worry about if there are gonna be kids rushed into transition to fit in the competition rule.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to spend the tens of thousands of dollars it cost to transition and the ridiculous amount of time involved in maybe hiring a personal trainer or a one on one coach? The whole point of competition is to see who is the best not see who can deprive real women of the most opportunity in the least amount of time.
@Sixgunsound Yeah, sure, getting a good trainer would be the best instead of damaging your healthy body. The problem I'm mentioning is that is probably that kids are going to be rushed to transition because of the sport rule, so they can compete "with their identified ~gender~". And is obvious that kids shouldn't take such decisions, their brains haven't even finished developing, there are a lot of people regretting their transitions already, with this gender thing, one problem leads to another.
Hmmh. Problem is children can be influenced and our brains still keep structurally maturing till about 25.
As it is children can be pushed too hard into competitive sports. Female gymnasts in particular need to stay under 90 lbs because developing breasts and hips normally can impact on their performance.
It all sounds like Jules Verne Island of Dr Moreau.
by the way. Do you think we need to apologize to those Russian and East German female athletes who were scrubbed out by Y chromosome tests during cold war and maybe award honorary gold medals?
We don't need men in WOMENS sports and we don't need women in men's either. If you want to start a coed team... Then go ahead. But stop with this shit
Should have happened ages ago. That experiment was a fail since the very first test. Better late than never I suppose.
... and next week we will be told that they have decided foxes and rabbits should not be put in the same cage...
It’s about time this insane cheating scam is shut down. The first meme about losing on hard mode nailed it!
It’s about time someone did something about this insanity. As someone who coaches both female and male athletes, I applaud this move.
Actually kind of irritatig that right wingers made women's sports (which they don't watch) a political issue when, all along, it wasn't even under the control of government. All that tax money they were conned into giving rich people over this and it's not even something we control with taxes.
Right wingers made it an issue? No, the very females that were taking a back seat and their voices being completely ignored is who took the issue and ONLY the Right Wing would listen to them while the Left Wing completely abandoned them. The Left Wing claims to be all about women's rights, yet completely ignored the very women the Left proclaims to protect when something that is higher on the victim list was involved, IE Transgenders. In other words, your progressive mentality has gotten in the way of your logic. There is nothing wrong with being progressive, but you really must use logic to balance it out... and right now, the Left is simply not doing that.
But it continues to predict your responses so accurately. You still cling to the idea of keeping women's sports in the political sphere, even though it simply isn't. No politician has anything to do with it, at all, so your manufactured outrage and its insertion into politics is >entirely< because no one is stupid enough to vote Republican based on merit. Stop being an example of that and I'll stop repeating that you are an example of it.
I'm not stupid enough to vote for any of the major parties unlike you @normalice
I have literally voted third party every. Single. Fucking. Time.
So take your smarty attitude and shove it because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I'm a classical liberal dammit.
It's about damn time. I thought some common sense would never prevail.
Perhaps there is hope after all.
Why not make a new category separate from men and women? There's a reason there is a natural body building competition vs one that uses steroids.
The problem with this is where do you draw the line. Hormones, neds and genetic modification introduce a whole host of issues. Where does it stop?
Does anyone remember Kornelia Ender?
https://en. m. wikipedia. org/wiki/Kornelia_Ender
The problem then becomes what is a "biological" man or woman? Kornelia Ender was a biological woman!
And let's NOT forget the so-called "biological" male, Michael Phelps!
www.scientificamerican.com/.../#
Rumors abound of his enhancements
Go join the open team if you want to compete. You aren't a woman.
I rather hope they have the backbone to keep it that way.
It's about time these athletic organizations start standing up to the insanity. Female athletes have been forced to take an L on this issue for the sake of appeasing the cultural demands of Leftist dogma.
I can see the outrage from LGBT+ Mafia soon. "They're shutting down our civil rights, were still not there!!!"
Transgenders should be made to compete whether its a boy or girl, i dont believe that trsnsgender women should be allowed in competing in boxing matches!! Unequal matchup
I dont care
men have more testosterone and muscle mass than women. Even on trans hormones there's still a disparity.
The whole situation is a dumpster fire that showcases how insane society has become.
to clarify they didn't FULLY ban shemale from women's leagues, they just added more rules, more work is to be done.
Trans are mentally ill, nothing special about men beating women on sports.
I don't get how women are supposed to feel less oppressed by crushing men. What's the point?
That's what I'm asking. How'd that help women?
That's less challenging.
But I guess if it work it works.
I'm saying there's nothing "fair" about sports. If you can play, you're in. Fuck gender.
I don't care about sports. I only spoke because it's gender equality in the most demented sense.
I agree biological Guys shouldn't be allowed to compete against biological Girls.
That guy can't show his face anywhere worthwhile lmfao
if your crap at your chosen sport
change sex to become a winner
A man who thinks he a woman is unfair to a woman. Yes it very unfair
Women should not have to compete with guys who can't compete against other guys.
this is a good thing.
It's about time!
It need to also include the opposite
At least they did something right
I don't care, meritocracy right? Let the best human win
so are different ethnicities, who cares? let everyone compete.
you gonna act like all races have the same physical build? lmao okay...
calling me ignorant is your only rebuttal?
Cause you can't prove with science people of color have different body builds duh. Humans are humans. Either your tall or short or big boned or regular boned. Females anf males are different genders. One bleeds from a menstrual cycle thr other stands up when they pee cause they have a dick. What world do you live in?
1. you're incorrect, there are observable differences between different racial groups limb to torso ratio. Fast twitch vs slow twitch muscle fiber etc...
2. there are men who are shorter and weaker than women and are still alowed to compete with their own sex. Technically they are sooo different from the masculine norm of their sex that they should be considered female in your own binary view.
3. Yes you're correct, humans are humans, so let humans compete with other humans. Do you really care so much about the integrity of womens sports? or do you hold this strict opinion because it's fashionable right now?
@Juxtapose she's the delusional type lol she's lucky i got some weirdo mod flagging my post or i would feed her knowledge of just how ignorant she is lolol
You keep promising to feed me knowledge. Go ahead little guy
Fashionable? A strong male swimmer can not compete agaisnt a women, no matter what you say or the non-sense you spew. The stromg male swimmer will dominate and shred any women, that's ehy they dropped down in a eomens league to be champions. No women could ever be that strong male swimmer. Leave your CLOWN WORLD! 🤡🎪🎪🎪🎪🎪🤡
Idgaf if women can compete in the elite level that was never my argument.
Juxtapose YES.
We can't have professional and semi-professional sports where non-biological women compete against biological women. Biological men produce testosterone, and no amount of hormone therapy can eliminate the muscle mass that was generated by having natural testosterone prior to the hormone therapy beginning. You also set up situations where some biological men were competing at a high level and barely being ranked, and then they decide to transition and completely destroy all if the best biological women in the same sport.
@NYCQuestions1976 yes RIGHT!
they don't however male and females are vastly different. Mens bones and organs weigh more they have more upper body strength which is why it's easier for them to do push ups and the like women have more lower body strength which is why they excel in taekwondo
Figure this was going to happen
Basic common sense prevailed.
u It's about time.
his career is more dead than Anthony bourdain lol
The Left Loonies are science deniers!!
I think this is only fair.
Trans women are women, if theyve been on hrt, and have surgeries, then they should be able to compete
Ok, your welcome to have your opinion, I'll stick with mine
@Dangerous8eans
Biologically as well as medically/scientifically, transwomen regardless of all the surgeries under the sun, will Always be male... Fact.
However I do fully respect your opinion, although unfortunately for obvious reasons I shall never be able to agree with you.
order comes from chaos
Good.
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Thank god
That ain't equal
Whatcha mean?
About damn time.
nooo
It isn’t fair.
I’m really sad hearing it
Yes they can’t
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