1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. A fine time for the U. S. Supreme Court to decide to release this: The same day my family is in the Philippine Embassy in D. C. to activate their dual-citizenship, the historic Roe v. Wade got overturned while they're in the Union's very capital. (And they're scheduled to tour through the weekend.)
With the inevitable protests (which are thankfully peaceful-enough… for now, at least) & the anti-Asian attack-spike still not down, I can only hope and pray my only family here will be safe while I'm away from them during this volatile time.
As to the case itself, it's good that the issue is re-directed to the States, which have been the major definer of U. S. crimes in general. (The less Federal power the better!) The laws should reflect the sentiments of the local citizenry, given the great variety of thought, attitudes, and values of the people in each State.
My opposition to abortion as a conviction that the procedure is murder of another person endowed with human-rights comes from documented stance of the Messiah's Apostles as documented in the Διδαχὴ ("Didache"; "di-dah-KHĀ"; n.「Teachings」)/ Διδαχὴ Κυρίου διὰ τῶν δώδεκα ἀποστόλων τοῖς ἔθνεσιν (「Teachings of the Lord to through the Twelve Apostles to the Gentiles」), a common historical Jewish objection to the then-common Greco-Roman contraception-methods of aborting the unborn and/or allowing fathers to blamelessly kill any of their born underage-children at will with 0 moral, social, and/or legal consequence. Indeed, what makes an utterly-dependent unborn fetus any different from an equally-dependent born infant? The Romans saw no difference, but the Jews did. So why should we see things with way of influential Israel over the ways of ancient Greece & Rome, 2 great civilizations?
But, I also understand the other side's stance on unwanted birthing (already an agonizing process, even with consent) is… problematic, as well, given that women are also persons endowed with human-rights. Which person to prioritize?
Hence, I consider this thorny issue something for the citizenry of the individual States to define.20 Reply
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+1 yall the ruling did was overturn it at the federal level which means it's now up to each state to decide how to handle the matter. many deep blue states will likely remain pro-abortion with no restrictions. many deep red states will likely go pro-life with heavy restrictions. while the rest will likely go pro-choice with limited restrictions.
I believe sex is meant as a tool to help couples bond on a deeper level and not something to be used for casual hookups. but I'm not saying couples should have to wait until their married to start having sex. just consider waiting until they proclaim each other as their relationship partner before having unprotected sex. so if the result is pregnancy they have hopefully talked out what they plan to do about it.00 Reply
+1 yI feel sick to my stomach. Women are no longer valued.
And if this is can be overturned and the court's sights are set on gay marriage and relationships next, then I will be stripped pf the right to love and marry my girlfriend.
My future outlook is not good.413 Reply- +1 y
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 ySad... woman rights are lost what how... are the right to vote is also taken back from women?
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Opinion Owner+1 y@Cubus even if it affects the mental state of that woman? Will isn't be bad if the mother has issues? when a woman become mother her whole life changes... so they must given choice when and how they want to change it...
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+1 yFor me it sort of shows how some states are pretty much mini Irans, where religion comes first and democracy gets sidelined.
If you look at Oklahoma as a trigger state.
https://eu.oklahoman.com/story/news/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-scotus-means-oklahoma-abortion-trigger-law/7623055001/
Extract from above, admittedly it’s a small poll but these things usually are.
A poll taken in December showed less than one-third of Oklahoma voters wanted a ban on all abortions and only Republicans were deeply divided on the question. The poll, taken by Amber Integrated of 500 registered Oklahoma voters, showed 31% would support a total ban on abortion if the U. S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade; 55% of the Oklahoma voters surveyed did not want a total ban and another 14% were unsure. Only 14% of Democratic voters and 12% of independents said they would favor a total ban on abortion if the 1973 ruling was tossed. On the Republican side, 48% of those voters surveyed said they would support a total ban, while 40% would not. Only 29% of women and 33% of men surveyed favored a total ban on abortion. unquote.
This ban makes it a nightmare for doctors to provide any form of assistance, for example a women diagnosed with cancer and needing cancer treatment, however she is pregnant and there is a risk to the foetus from the drugs, however the foetus gives no risk to the woman.
For a number of medical reasons where a foetus would have been aborted, then this can no longer happen.
Where medical professionals know the child once born will have major problems and expected to die in months or within 2 years etc, parents will have to go through with birth, knowing that for 2 years the vegetative child fed through tubes and waste via tubes will die and it’s suffering will end.
That’s 2 years where they cannot try for another baby, where there life is on hold, not forgetting the mental trauma and stress on marriage.
Yeah I guess witch trial will be coming back, Salem will be popular.
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+1 yFor disclosure purposes, I'm morally pro-life and legally pro-choice.
Even though those who are strongly pro-life are happy right now with this decision, the only real winners are going to be those who are hard-core pro-abortionists, and not those who are "reasonably" pro-choice. The general public just doesn't realize that fact yet. The vast majority of abortions in this country already occur in the more liberal states of New York, Illinois, and California... and those 3 states, along with other more liberal states, are going to wind up legalizing late-term, third trimester abortions. Most of the more conservative states, other than Texas and a few other swing states, are sparsely populated and already have far less abortions than their liberal counterparts.
Then you're going to have liberal activists happily sponsoring and publicizing trips and protections for women to travel from more conservative states to more liberal states to have abortions.
For every fetus "legally" saved in Texas, about a dozen are going to be "legally" terminated in their third trimester. That's not pro-life or pro-choice. That's pro-abortion.10 Reply
+1 yMeanwhile, the American government has no problem dropping tens and hundreds of thousands of bombs on "BROWN BABIES" and "BROWN CHILDREN" overseas in Northern Africa and the Middle East.
What's the death count in Afghanistan and Iraq ALONE at this point? This has nothing to do with the "sanctity of Life". They actually just want people to think twice about having sex in case of an "accident", because they're obsessed with OVERPOPULATION (which is a MYTH).20 Reply- 899 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
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+1 yit goes back to the states to decide right... so people just travel if they have the means. I suspect it means we find more babies in trash cans, humans don't change very fast, maybe babies on door steps, and more suffering children under lousy parents. So budget for social problems. otherwise, it's good for some.
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+1 yI'm very pro-choice and I live in a state with a trigger ban, so I'm doubly upset about it. Regardless of your view on abortion, the legal precedents set by row are the basis of so many other rights we enjoy. This is a very troubling time for our freedom and liberty in America.
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+1 yNow it's up to the States of the USA to make their decision.
20 Reply1.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Good, it should be left for states to decide. There's nothing in US' constitution, even indirect, about abortion.
20 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Well... I guess it is no longer Settled Law... abortion on demand was never a good "birth control" plan
20 Reply2.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I can't believe it's taken this long to over-turn Row. Naturally It's something to celebrate.
I just hope that the ridiculous ensuing violence that happens will be minimal.
We now need to work on over-turning the Same-Sex-Marriage decision11 Reply
+1 yI didn't see that coming. Well I guess I have to stay single for now if I don't want kids.
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Why would you have to stay single?
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I want to take a break from dating. My next goal is to be a solo traveller and see the Great Pyramids of Egypt and other places. Now with the new law about abortion being banned, if I stay single for a while then there won't be any risk of pregnancy. Even protection doesn't protect you 100%.
There were a few, rare cases of girls that used both condoms and pills and still got pregnant. Yikes. - +1 y
@ChicanaChick Oh, okay. I suppose that makes sense. I support your goals. I'm not trying to give you a hard time.
Not all boyfriends require sex, though. Just saying. - +1 y
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You're welcome!
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+1 yIf men got pregnant, you could bet your sweet ass there'd be absolutely NO prohibition against it. And all you "pro-lifers" know that's true.
10 Reply 704 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. 
Not trying to end up like David Dorn lol!
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yWhy does me having or not having a child matter to politics?
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Right. And the decision says it shouldn’t matter, it’s unconstitutional.
Opinion Owner+1 y@BarryLiverstone It should have never been put to vote in the first place. My body has nothing to do with politics there’s no laws against man’s bodies
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We agree. It’s not constitutional
4.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. You've got a "democracy" that's being ruled by a extremist minority.
00 ReplyIt makes me sick that women have lost the right to their bodies
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Perhaps the one you don't believe in? The discussion of "when does life begin" has yet to provide a satisfactory answer to all involved. For me, I believe its when "ensoulment" occurs. Some believe its the moment a cell starts forming. I offer this - for most people, if the embryo was nothing but a big blob of unidentifiable cells for the first 3 months before it started to form a shape, there'd be far less vehemence going on about abortions. The hardcore folks will never change, but the undecided or unsure certainly wouldn't care as much if it didn't resemble a human form at all 12 weeks.
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@loveslongnails ok, if we postulate that such a thing as a soul exists, how can you tell when it is present or not?
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That's an excellent question. Believe it or not, at one point in history the Catholic Church itself was not against abortion prior to what it believed was the "ensoulment", which was when the heart started beating. This is where the states who changed their laws got that from. But does it happen that soon? And as you say, how do you really know? It might just be that it's esoteric knowledge and frankly, if you don't know where it's coming from, why believe it? What if it's 14 weeks? What if it's 14 days prior to birth? How can you prove whatever it is to someone who rejects the concept or says "it doesn't matter to if it's the hour of conception or an hour before birth".
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@loveslongnails So basically, after wading through that carefully, you cannot tell if it is there or not, and therefore "ensoulment" as a metric is useless.
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It would all depend on who teaches you about it and what you choose to believe, or somehow recognize as true. That's about as close as I can get you. But I will tell you this - it's not 6 weeks.
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@loveslongnails How do you know it's not 6 weeks?
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That's not a discussion for here.
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@loveslongnails well then. I shall place the "ensoulment" concept on my Shelf of Curiosities.
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It's just a discussion, not a debate, but that's why we're here.
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Oh yes
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yIt's the beginning of the democrats plan to return to slavery, next steps are to ban all marrages in any format and start the genocides
00 Reply18.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Hopefully this will inspire libss to vote. We stayed home in 2016 and now its biting us in the ass.
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+1 yThat abortion is murder
30 Reply23.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. No fetus can beat us.
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Joe Biden was a fetus like a million years ago and he grew up to beat Trump's ass :)
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@supercutebutt he still is a fetus just an old one.
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+1 yA step in the right direction
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+1 yPriceless! Suck it liberals.
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+1 yIt confirms what we knew a month ago
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+1 yBetter late than never.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yNice! Awesome!
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yAmerica only cares about men and embryos
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Opinion Owner+1 yMen are the ones taking away women’s rights. Men are not the ones that sacrifice their bodies and have their vaginas ripped open to birth a child they never wanted.
Opinion Owner+1 yYet somehow the final decision always comes down to them. It’s a a white mans world, everyone else just has to suffer.
Opinion Owner+1 yWhatevs
+1 yApparently precedence counts for nothing.
00 Reply4.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Amen brother
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