People who only support abortion as the last resort, what do you say to this?

[anon1903]

[DJB72]

If a woman chooses unprotected sex with a guy she's already chosen.

The reason I say in cases of rape, etc is because the choice to conceive was taken from her. Carrying the baby to term and raising it or giving it up for adoption never knowing if this is the day the child will knock on the door would be torture. You can't compare that to a girl too lazy to take a pill or insist a guy use a condom.

Abortion should never be used as birth control. If I was allowed to "abort" everyone that I found "inconvenient" I'd be a mass murderer.

That's point one.

Point two:

The guy has no say under Roe. He can be forced to pay support for a child he didn't want for 18 years. But his voice is silenced if he DOES want the baby. He has zero choice in whether his baby boy or girl lives or dies. Imagine that in a classroom. Or a mall. Or anywhere else his child can be murdered and him be powerless to prevent it.

Link "pro-life" and "gun control" and get your dumb country to understand that the Right to Life doesn't end in the birth canal.

[OddBeMe]

Totally agree.

Women should always have total control over their bodies.

[BillyBalls]

You are correct. Women be 100% in control of their bodies.

That said, why don't women actually take control of their reproductive systems and not get pregnant if they don't want a kid?

Please spare me the bullshit excuses that birth control doesn't always work.

[Xoxocutekitty]

My two cents here is that the only thing they can justify as worse than murder, is rape.

Women's rights don't even qualify in the discussion. Rape is the damaging of 'someone pure' who is now forced to live with their impurity forever (as well as anyone who remembers the incident). The public shame and violation of 'value' often results in an understanding that it's 'better to die' and be remembered as wholly pure.

This is actually pretty common in cultures where 'protection' outweighs women's rights, whereas pure women are viewed as a resource to society (reputable for marriage, childbearing, caretaking) but damaged women are viewed as an outlet for society's pent up frustrations.

So really, none of these conversations revolve around women having rights, or caring about women think, because women who waste time questioning the status quo, are not 'useful.'

I don't agree with it, but I think that's just how many people see it.

[Smashingdoozy]

Say it louder for the morons in the back.

Nobody has the right to use your body against your will. EVEN a fetus.

[BillyBalls]

So you are claiming that women are so weak that they cannot exercise control over their reproductive systems?

If a man said that you would call him a sexist.

It amazes me that Left Loonies try to play all sides of an argument not realizing doing so lessens their position on any subject.

[Smashingdoozy]

@BillyBalls it amazes me that you don't understand how sex works. Nor contraceptives.

[BillyBalls]

@Smashingdoozy Been getting laid for a lot of years.

Haven't knocked up a female once.

[anon1903]

@BillyBalls maybe your swimmers are just weak

[Vendela]

@anon1903 LMAO...

[Smashingdoozy]

@BillyBalls I take it you're either impotent or you are very vigilant on using multiple methods of protection. Or you just weren't told if you knocked someone up.

[anon1903]

Exactly

[ChrisMaster69]

Yes it does appear to be how the Americans are putting it.

The entire things needs to be down to medical side of things.

religion and politics need to be kept away from things like this.

Especially religion side of thing.

One of the problems with the Americans is they fund this bollox in other countries.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/27/glasgow-plans-abortion-clinic-buffer-zones-to-protect-patients-from-activists-nicola-sturgeon

The reasons for the buffer zones is due to brain dead religious nutters hassling people, these are partly funded with American money.

The other is fuckwit politicians 🤦

[SimpleGuy95]

Call it clum of cells or growing human being, both are nurtured in a woman but they´re not her body. Because to get to that stage it´s sex between two people what is needed.
The difference between rape and consentual sex is that in consentual sex both are willing to play with the risk of a pregnancy knowing the consequences that can come with.
In a rape the situation is different because rape is not consentual by definition so there was no choice.

[ghop2]

This question isn't for me because I never support abortion. In the case of rape, there should be a lot of public support to help have the child adopted, and the father should have no rights whatsoever.
If the mother's life is at risk, that is a scenario akin to pulling the plug for a family member and needs to be treated on a case by case basis. Many mothers would have a difficult time aborting their child, but there are also cases where that difficult decision is the best.

[Snakeyes7]

It makes sense. If she got pregnant against her will then it is fair to have her decide.

The only problem is that proving that she got it against her will. Courts are notorious for taking ages to decide on cases. It will be very likely that pro abortion women will likely falsely accuse as a way of taking advantage of this, as by the time the court looks at it and makes the decision, the 9 months would have already passed.

[Soteris]

Well.. The are against bodily autonomy and I find them to be immoral assholes.

[shortster]

I only support abortion if the life of the mother is in jeopardy if she gives birth. I don't see abortion as a woman's right to her body. First because she already made that decision when she chose to have sex. Second because it isn't about her body; but her unborn child's life. Most people agree that homicide is bad; and that the only justification for it is in self defense. Thusly the only reasonable justification for abortion is the life of the mother. As the baby is not the rapist.

[Jessica405]

That is so true. Interesting that in today's Sunday Telegraph, a UK newspaper, a headline suggested US might be at risk of a civil war.

[vald9inches]

It should always be a choice and a right for women and there should be no criteria or check boxes to check to do it.

[TommyMountainFigure]

A woman should be in charge of her own body. Anything else is bollux as far as I'm concerned!

[anon1903]

So you're pro choice?

[TommyMountainFigure]

I don't know if that term applies to anything else, but regarding abortion? Yes absolutely, she has the right to decide what she does with her body!

[anon1903]

Ah okay

[TommyMountainFigure]

Religion and politics as far as I'm concerned should be kept out of abortion decisions! But that's just me!

[anon1903]

You're right

[SlangSlayer]

I don't care is what I say. You had unprotected sex deal with the consequences.

Same way dude would be forced to pay the next 18, years.

Broads be using this as a get out jail free card. It's no longer your body you are now renting it out for the next 9 months.

[anon1903]

What if the condom broke?

[SlangSlayer]

Sspermicide

[anon1903]

Like plan B pills?

[SlangSlayer]

Plan b happens after sex. And I know your going to bring up they going after birth control and plan b.

[anon1903]

What's your point

[athlete_7]

I dont think its necessary if they didn't want a child it was better to use contraceptive why kill someone smh for it.

[anon1903]

Contraceptives aren't 100% effective

[BillyBalls]

I am a safe driver.

But if I cause an "accident", should I not be responsible for my actions... I did choose to drive a car and take the risk involved.

Why should an innocent person pay for something I did?

[athlete_7]

Welp if mistakes happen one should be responsible enough to deal with them tbh

[888theGreat]

If a crime was committed then she should be able to , but when she spreads her legs by her choice , then she must except the responsibility of getting pregnant.

[Jamie05rhs]

The point is to not punish a woman by making her go through pregnancy after she's already been raped. Most people agree that that is inhumane.

[Hanrej]

Wrong! Unless the pregnancy is forced upon her she has every right to decline sex and The following pregnancy. Control is still hers, The difference is now she has a responsibility as well.

[BillyBalls]

it amazes me how Left Loonies grasp at anything to justify their flawed logic.

[leighbee]

Says Quagmire 😂

[RobEurope]

Yeah well circumcision exists so males dont even have a right to their own penis.

[jimmy2]

We did that then they took it as far as partical birth as abortions

[WhitneySnow]

That’s totally true

[leighbee]

My body my choice

[BillyBalls]

Your actions. Your responsibility.

[leighbee]

Do you use condoms Mr Billy Balls?

[BillyBalls]

@leighbee When necessary!!!

[leighbee]

Should use them all the time. If you get someone pregnant that is your responsibility as you said.

[Vendela]

Sounds exactly right to me