For the trans people, why is it acceptable for people fetishize everyone but you?

[GnarCute]

Answer Anonymously if your not openly trans on the site.

What I am saying is, trans community attacks cis people for being attracted to trans people but also victimize themselves by saying cis people don't want them.

Its annoying, everyone gets fetishized there's chasers for literally every body types its how people find people why is there always something people go after in the LGBTQ+ community further distancing the community from the rest of the population?

[TonyV]

I don't know, why do women in general call every preference a man has a fetish? You like red heads your called a fetish, you like any race other than your own it's called a fetish, and yeah if you try to hookup with a trans they look at you like you're crazy and have a fetish.
It seems like if your a white male every one has an issue with what your attracted too, and try to make it sound dirty by calling it a fetish.

It seems like the only group of people that are either ok with being fetishized or are to ignorant to realize they are fetishized are the big fat "beautiful at any size" women, they've convinced themselves they are sexy and don't realize their chasers are fetish people.
I think the problem with trans people is that the open minded curious people who talk to them ask questions like, when did you transition, what genitals do you have right now? Do they work? The trans people are so busy convincing themselves they are just as normal as anyone else that they get offended when you dare ask what exactly they are. "I'm a transwoman!" Great... but are you pre op, post op, does your dick get hard? Is it fucking bigger than mine? Are you top or bottom?

They're a lot of questions to ask to know if a relationship or even a one night stand would work out but they hate those questions cause it makes them feel not normal, then they feel fetishized.
Which almost make it seem like it would be more effective to not ask questions and just ghost the second you find out "oh wrong genitals", which would make them feel used and cheap and complain why can't I find a serious man?, it's cause you get defensive in the "get to know you" phase, so they dont.

[Guanfei]

LGBT are just believing that there can't be any consequences for them, and that they're allowed to do anything, to anyone. A gigantic god complex that made them believe they can't be criticized, and are, no matter what they do, good people.
They also hate cis and straight people completely, just because they're cis and straight. They try to find bullshit excuses for it, but ultimately, it's obvious that we disgust them as much as they pretend they disgust us. So they keep making up issues in which we are the bad people that they need to constantly bash.

[LimboOfTheDink]

It's like the difference between liking black guys in general and only liking BBC. One sees them not as a partner but a trophy or toy of some sort. Being fetishized is being objectified. Not many people—trans or otherwise—want a relationship based off of that.

If you have a fetish for boys with pussies, it makes sense you would be happy to get with a pre-op trans man. But if that's the main thing you see them as, the main reason you're attracted to them, the main reason you want to date them... that's not good. That's not healthy, for either party. This applies to ALL fetishes, not just trans fetishes.

[Sabretooth]

I disagree. my views of trans girls only changed because of it--as did 2 other men I know. it helped to to become more exposed to them. I

[Sabretooth]

grew only because of sex games with em in it.

[LimboOfTheDink]

@Sabretooth how did your views change?

[Sabretooth]

I considered them freaks at first. Then, sex objects that a straight man could only enjoy them in fantasy but not in reality. The more I played the more my fetish grew and the more exposure to to them I got and the more exposure I got to to them change my perspective more and more. I can admit my attraction and have even engaged with them in conversation and even flirted with them.

[LimboOfTheDink]

@Sabretooth that's fascinating. After sex objects, you say your perspective kept changing. How did it change after that? Did interacting with them irl, talking and flirting, help change? Or did the change still come mostly from how you were exposed to them in sex games online?

[Sabretooth]

I just began saw em as unique girls. 2 here--one I really liked and she liked me--went bad when we talked about the mental instability and less than morally clean life of one she followed and about the transphobia and racism of the GOP and those she idolizes. but, mostly from sex games and videos making reasonable arguments of how straight men can be attracted to them.

[LimboOfTheDink]

@Sabretooth okay neat. Do you think how you view all trans people has changed this way and you just view them as unique, or has this mostly just changed how you view trans women?

[Sabretooth]

just trans women. I mean, I'm not really attracted to trans men... so, I've never really thought much about em.

[Sabretooth]

not attracted to men.

[LimboOfTheDink]

@Sabretooth but you see cis men as people not freaks, right? Even though you aren't attracted to them.

[Sabretooth]

you mean trans men? yeah. never really thought that much about them. my feeling aren't any different between cis or trans men.

[LimboOfTheDink]

@Sabretooth now I'm confused. So why did you initially view trans women any different than cis women? There are some cis women you are not attracted to I assume. Surely you didn't view trans women so negatively just because you didn't find them attractive, or you would think badly about all women you aren't attracted to.

[Sabretooth]

I couldn't see them as women.

[LimboOfTheDink]

@Sabretooth why not?

[Sabretooth]

I still saw them as men.

[LimboOfTheDink]

@Sabretooth do you think the sex games helped you see them as women, or just helped you see them as attractive? If/when you meet a trans woman that you don't find attractive and/or doesn't pass very well as a woman, how do you see them?

[Sabretooth]

both. I see them as unattractive.

[LimboOfTheDink]

@Sabretooth but still as a woman? I guess you already saw trans men as men. Okay I'm just wondering now do you think you would have been able to change your view to this same point solely by meeting/interacting with trans women like you have, talking and such, without playing the sex games? You say they helped, but were they necessary to your view even being able to change?

[Sabretooth]

no, I would've have changed. I'm too stubborn. I would never even associate with em.

[LimboOfTheDink]

@Sabretooth why did you start playing those games? If you don't mind me asking. I know I've asked a lot, I appreciate you sharing I am interested in this. If it gets tiring you know you can reply later or not at all.

[Sabretooth]

I was the same way in regards to trans girl. to be honest? I don't quite remember. I was under some serious grief and stress and needed something kinky to help me deal with it. kinda vague but this started back in 2018... I do remember the game, though--started with Apartment 69... it took another called WVM with Shauna: www.google.com/search

[GnarCute]

:0 I used to think trans people were gross as well, It wasn't until I went back to japan got heavily into hentai and hentai games that I started seeing them in better light.
I started out being disgusted by them seeing them as less than human but then after I started seeing them in the porn I watch, animes I watch, games I played~ I started seeing them as equals slowly and slowly. Soon the Femboy/Trap craze hit the world and thats what solidified my love of the trans people.

I have dated both trans men and women and both have had very good healthy relationships with very sexually fulfilling moments, (My relationships typically end due to my inability to be comfortable living in 1 place and they were not comfortable leaving the USA at the time to come to Japan) I think when people read that "fetishes help" they don't realize its not just Objectification but it an also be Glorification! :DD :\ though with how the USA is filled with radicals who want nothing more than to create divides and hate they take concepts and screw them up to spread fear of words and hate.

[Sabretooth]

Pretty much the same for me. I wouldn't call it glorification thought, it just is.

[LimboOfTheDink]

So fetishizing them does help people stop seeing them as gross/freaks, and interacting with them finishes the process of seeing them like people? You don't *just* fetishize them at the end, you also see them normally, but are still attracted to specifically trans things about them?

That still seems strange to me but I can definitely see how it would work and makes sense. Thank you for explaining.

[Sabretooth]

it's a safe exposure.

[Sabretooth]

It opened my mind.

[Sabretooth]

agreed. it only hurts them. this is a necessary of growth to changing our views about them. by attacking us... it stops it. besides, this also would help them to feel better about themselves--knowing that there are those who like them because they are unique. http://www.therainbowtimesmass.com/lovers-fetishists-men-love-trans-women/ https://transamorousnetwork.com/transamorous-men/tranny-chaser-really/

[OddBeMe]

I've never seen trans groups bitch about this. Though trolling through porn sites (for educational purposes) I do see a lot of trans vids. And blacks banging white chicks. Fetishes are interesting psyche issues.

[MountAverage]

I'm not trans, but I think fetishizing any social group is a problem.

[GnarCute]

Thats the mindset of a person who doesn't understand what sexuality truly is.

You can't be sexually attracted with out some form of fetishizing. and B4 anyone shows up like "Thats not true"

Take in consideration that fetish has been a demonified word for generations in English speaking countries. Its just a strong sexual attraction to an activity or people bordering on obsession you literally can't help what you like.

[MountAverage]

I can guarantee you I understand sexuality a billion times better than you ever will. You simply don't understand what I'm even saying.

And you pretty much just contradicted yourself. First you make the claim that one can't be sexually attracted without some form of fetishizing, and then you go on to (kinda correctly) define a fetish as something much more specific than general sexual attraction.

I can't tell if this is just a case of the Dunning-Kruger effect or if you're simply an idiot, but you sure as hell are very confident in your ignorance.

Also, whether one can help it or not is entirely irrelevant to what I said. I said fetishizing social groups is a problem. You clearly do not understand what that means. Example: When a guy fetishizes "Asian" women, he does so (whether he's aware of it or not) based on very racist stereotypes. Usually that's not explicit racism but implicit racism. It's internalized racism based on racist stereotypes. That doesn't mean that that guy is an outright racist or a bad person. It just means that where his fetishization of "Asian" women is coming from, IS A PROBLEM. Not necesarily he as a person is a problem, but everything underlying his fetish is a problem.

I have strong doubts that you will understand a single thing I just said and you'll just entirely misrepresent it or make some more moronic assumptions. So I'm not gonna waste any more time on you clown.