What do you think of Biden's decision to help women who want to abort across state lines?

[Anonymous]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/01/biden-to-meet-with-10-democratic-governors-to-discuss-abortion-access.html

[Agape93]

Good, finally a good decision. He wouldn't be doing so if Republicans weren't trying to stop women for leaving for abortions.

[MzAsh]

Good. There is a large effort underway for this.

[Anonymous]

It is the least he can do.

[joeldalton]

They’re so eager to kill babies.

[Asker]

When does it become a baby?

[joeldalton]

when it’s growing in the womb

[Asker]

At the time when we are nearly impossible to distinguish from a fish, a salamander or a dog?

[joeldalton]

Does it have fish dna? Does it have salamander dna? Does it have dog dna?

[Asker]

That doesn't matter. Sperm also has human DNA.

[Asker]

www.timesunion.com/.../...-conception-12320582.php

[joeldalton]

Yeah, it does matter. Because you made the idiotic comparison.

[Asker]

Why was it idiotic? Just means that we are becoming living humans, not yet a living human.

[joeldalton]

Because a fetus is a human being. Not a fish, not a salamander, not a dog. It’s not a clump of cells, it’s not a parasite. It is an unborn human being.

[Asker]

It will be a human being. At the stage it is it's not considered a living human.

[joeldalton]

If it’s not a human what is it? You’re really stupid, you know that?

[Asker]

It will be a human.
You shouldn't throw insults around when you are not properly informed. While it is a human fetus, it is not yet a living human.

[joeldalton]

I will do what I want. Here’s a little hint to you. Being pro killing unborn babies won’t get you laid more.

[Asker]

I am married. I don't need to do much to have sex. And funny enough next year I plan to be a father.
Regardless I am pro choice. I don't call it baby killing because no baby is killed for an abortion.

[joeldalton]

You don’t call it baby killing because you want to rationalize your decision as moral. But we all know what the truth is. You can fool yourself but you can’t fool other people.

[Asker]

What truth?
Do you know what in vitro fertilization is? You can have a fully fertilized egg in a petri plate. Is that a baby?

[joeldalton]

Will it continue to grow into a fetus?

[Asker]

Under certain conditions it will. Same can be said for a spermatozoa.
But I like how you said it "will it" means it's not one yet. With that I agree.

[joeldalton]

It was a question. You are claiming that a fertilized egg will grow into a fetus using a petri dish? Is that your claim?

[Asker]

No. My claim is that a fertilized egg is not a baby. It needs proper conditions to become one.

[joeldalton]

When did I say a fertilized egg was a baby? I clearly said when it’s growing in the womb. Time for you to stop being dumb.

[Asker]

Is it? At what point? As soon as it gets glued to the uterus?
No life... Not life... *Gets stuck on uterus wall*... Life!
Or after? When little to no change yet happened? Where is your line? When the heart beats? When the nervous system gets formed? When?

[joeldalton]

We can go to conception if you want.

[Asker]

At conception you don't even have mix on DNA until the first 48h. And again you can have it on a petri plate.

[joeldalton]

Ok, but you wanted to push the issue, so I made a stand. Tough shit if you don’t like it.

[Asker]

So your stand was once it gets attached to the uterus and now is at conception. It changed.
But I get it this will lead nowhere, sorry to waste our time.

[joeldalton]

If you want to continue to fuck around with ever radical ideas about abortion, don’t be surprised if you see the same reaction elsewhere.

[Asker]

What radical idea? That abortion is not murder?

[joeldalton]

Yeah, but it is. So we’ve settled that.

[Asker]

Not even close.

[joeldalton]

Time will tell. The good states are already putting a stop to this madness.

[Asker]

Good thing the government will help mobilize women across states and many states will increase their help to any women that arrive with the intention of aborting.

[joeldalton]

It’d be better if they weren’t allowed back after they left.

[Asker]

States where it isn't allowed shouldn't have people living in it. That is true.

[joeldalton]

But they will. Plenty of them.

[Asker]

I know. Many will leave to have abortions because they don't have other option.

[joeldalton]

Here’s a novel option. If you can’t afford a baby, keep your pants on.

[Asker]

It's not that I don't agree with that, but horny people are not rational. It will happen regardless if we want it or not. It's not realistic to take measures assuming everyone will keep it in their pants.

[joeldalton]

Now’s when you learn that your actions have consequences.

[Asker]

Honest question...
Let's say you have sex... And you contract a STD. You go the hospital. They do provide care. No one says "shouldn't have kept it in your pants". They do provide a consult, treatment and medication.
So sex is not the issue.
When it's a mistake that comes from sex people do get help.
Why does that change when the issue on the table is abortion?

[joeldalton]

Because me getting rid of an STD doesn't kill another person.

[Asker]

Do you really consider extracting something that can fit in a petri plate murder?

[joeldalton]

Oh we're back to the petri plate, eh? Is an embryo in a petri dish a growing, viable human? No.

[Asker]

We will never agree in this. You are right no need to get into this again.

[Anonymous]

I love him for that.