What do you think about a 10 years old rape victim who is unable to get abortion due to abortion ban?

[hi_it_is_me123]

https://youtu.be/v-g3k_BmqJQ

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1 y

Rape is also extremely difficult to prove except there is a camera.

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1 y

I am not 100% sure about all abortion laws in all States in America. Some people say that abortion is not illegal which is confusing after so many abortion ban discussions from americans on GaG, Youtube or on the internet. I also read articles about this topic. So i dont know

[Anonymous]

1. No such ban is in play if you are speaking about the Supreme Court rescinding Roe vs way. It simply gives each state back the power to set thier own regulations or laws.

2. Straw man argument. 10 isn’t likely fertile, if there are examples of such thing, then it’s probably super rare, but it’s probably not about that, the rape or incest argument means nothing if the next stament isn’t “but only then,”. Meaning using that as a excuse fir open unrestricted termination means it not about that,

3. Even most religions will put the mothers health first, if it’s a 10yr old the likelihood that she could safely Cary such to term is not likely and so it’s a medical decision not a choice of convenience.

4. The other outlier arguments of grape ir incest, is debatable as to ethics, but it’s not the babies fault. There is a opposite straw man argument that has occurred. I know of two female teachers that raped male students. One was 13, and the other 14. Both teachers where convicted of statutory rape, or sexual interference of a minor. (Rape) these 2 women became pregnant from thier pedophelia and kept the babies. Should those kids not have a say about weather they, as victims of rape, be allowed to force the abortion on thier rapists? Is rape babies only bad if the female is the victim?

Furthermore, both of these women waited until their victims turned 18 ans sued for child support and WON! Now both these examples are straw men arguments but flip the sexes. If a male teacher has impregnated a child student, and because it’s not the babies fault they keep the baby. Should the fathers be aloud visitation rights! Partial custody? Move it away from it being minors, say a teacher impregnated a 18 yr old student by force, if she keeps it should he get visitation rights?

Or is the argument not that it was a female minor but how it was conceived? If it’s because of the fact that the baby is a result of statutory rape then it’s irrelevant who was the minor victim, a boy or a girl. Both should be treated the same. If not, I has nothing to do with age so the 10 yr old example is Bs

[hi_it_is_me123]

Straw man argument? Wth are you talking about? Whom are you replying? i just post a random video link about the topic to not summarize everything? Are you talking about the video

[hi_it_is_me123]

🤡 kids got their period earlier unlike their parents I know enough girls who had period at 9 who are 20 something now. The rest of your arguments are whataboutism that has nothing to with my question. I seriously dont understand whom you are replying since you try to debunk some arguments by me (?)(-even though i did not make any argument-) or the posts under my question?

[hi_it_is_me123]

Oh are you talking about the video?

[Opinion Owner]

I realized that after I posted it, I thought it was a hypothetical for the current discussion of America abortion issues, I had no idea it was a true story. I tried to delete it but you can’t.. so yup. I’m a A-hole and deserve to be chastised.

[zagor]

97% of abortions are in the first trimester, when it ISN'T A BABY.

[TallAnon]

Obviously horrible, as a parent I would go to another country if needed. Whatever is needed to get my daughter the help she needs.
As for proving rape: She's 10, she is unable to give consent, so that's easy to prove.

[TallAnon]

As for your latest update: They voted that each state will be able to make the decision on their own. I don't think many states have done so yet.

[NYCQuestions1976]

These are the current abortion laws in some of the more liberal states in the United States:

Massachusetts currently allows abortions into the 24th week.

New York currently allows abortions into the 24th week.

California currently allows abortions up to between the 24th and 26th week.

Illinois currently allows abortions up to between the 24th and 28th week.

Oregon currently allows abortions beyond the 27 week (see below).

New Jersey currently has NO LIMIT on abortions (see below).

abortionclinics.org/.../

www.northjersey.com/.../

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 And what will happen when Republicans introduce a federal law banning abortion?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when you pour milk into the bowl of cereal between your ears?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You've spent the last three days avoiding answering the question. Why? What will happen when Republicans introduce a federal law banning abortion?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded No, I gave you the answer. Multiple answers actually. Multiple times as well. You just don't like them. That's your problem, not mine.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 Nope, you've spent the last three days avoiding giving an answer to that question, but fine, quote it here, and I'll stop asking it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when black holes turn inside out?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 You've spent the last four days avoiding answering the question. Why? What will happen when Republicans introduce a federal law banning abortion?

[zagor]

@goaded It will fail. Not all Republicans in Congress will vote for it.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when we hit the history eraser button?

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 At least you're being honest about wanting the world of 1984. You erase history every time you ignore the question: what will happen when Republicans introduce a federal law banning abortion?

@zagor Are you really sure the Republicans wouldn't pass such a bill?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when @goaded has no hearings to watch, besides being a perpetual government leach?

[TallAnon]

Can I unfollow this boring poo-slinging so it doesn't show up in my notifications? Discuss on your own opinion, lmao.

[KelleyNice]

Not that big a deal. You have to go somewhere, whether blocks or miles. Just travel a little further to a state that allows it. Since she is not legally competent to consent, it is easy to prove rape when the girl is 10 years old because all it takes is DNA evidence

[hi_it_is_me123]

The update is on the false question. Of course her pregnancy is enough evidence due to Statutory rape laws. But it is a big deal. This is like saying people who are in miserable countries should go to another countries if you they dont like their shitty laws. So bs

[KelleyNice]

If you don't know the difference between driving to another neighborhood, city, or state and going to another country, I can't help you.

[hi_it_is_me123]

State and country is the same shit. I also can't help, if dont know that that. I imagine it like european countries. Cities of a state usually have same laws and this why your comparison with city and a state dont make sense.

[hi_it_is_me123]

... I also can't help, if you dont know that.
... does not make sense***

[hi_it_is_me123]

Even it is like you think, it is still terrible

[hi_it_is_me123]

Whatever you dont have to agree with me. We can agree to disagree

[KelleyNice]

I was thinking the lower 48 states. It might be a problem if you live is a different country or perhaps Alaska if they ban abortions. If you live in the lower 48 states, the amount of time it takes to drive to another state is insignificant compared to the amount of time it takes to arrange and get an abortion. And, the cost of travel is insignificant compared to cost of an abortion. As far as I am concerned, you are ignoring the mountain just to give all your attention to a mole hill.

[hi_it_is_me123]

This is ridiculous. So if rape become legal in you state, you move to another state? This is how you solve problems by running away insteas of fighting for your rights and critizising the government?

[hi_it_is_me123]

You ignore important point

[hi_it_is_me123]

So if rape became legal in your state, you would move to another state? ***

[KelleyNice]

In any event, the question stating she was unable to get an abortion is lie because she did an abortion.

[SamA_nold]

So much ignorance in these answers.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Which answeres?

[SamA_nold]

The people trying to defend the banning of abortion/forcing people to travel to other states whilst ignoring the basic premise that a child, a literal child, was raped, and they want to punish her for the rapists failure as a human being.

[D_Bone_Steak]

The rapist was an illegal immigrant too... build the wall yet?

[SamA_nold]

Ignorance presents itself ^

[D_Bone_Steak]

... and you don't have a response to it because you've chosen political sides? Pro kill babies but keep those illegals, they're humans too?

How do you feel about illegal immigrants laying the rape down on 10 year old girls?

[SamA_nold]

1) I haven’t chosen political sides at all, and in fact have not mentioned any political parties names

2) I never said anything about killing babies, nor anything about my views on illegal immigrants

I have a response to your question, but it’s much easier to let your own ignorance present itself through your presumptions and arrogance.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Right... and you know she was able to get an abortion in her state and that it was just politicized for some news? Oh, I'm just so ignorant though. Like how you still dodged the illegal immigration question by the way... I guess I'm just too ignorant to understand you don't have any opinion other than needing to abort babies... even when the story is partly manufactured by media.

I'm pro-abortion by the way... I say kill those babies. I'm just trying to point out how you just fall for propaganda media lines like they were spoon-fed to you. Yeah but I'm just too ignorant to see your genius, I guess. So... build a wall or not?

[D_Bone_Steak]

You responded to questions like I said something about you directly. Why is that? Not a single question got answered though... dodge any question at all costs I guess?

[SamA_nold]

And yet, again:

1) I never expressed my views on if she could or could not travel, nor stated anything about the case outside of the observation that people were defending the rapist instead of addressing the basic issue that a child was raped.
2) I never mentioned any media source, nor again, anything outside of the basic premise that: A child was raped.
3) You can call me ignorant all you like, but I’m not the one trying to force words into another’s mouth to substitute an argument for my position.

Now, once more: I have a response to your question, but it’s much easier to let your own ignorance present itself through your presumptions and arrogance.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I never said you were ignorant... I only pointed out you were calling me that. Even though I only pointed out facts and asked questions. YOU DID say that about me though. I only agreed and said that maybe I am just too ignorant for such a genius. So guilty as charged if you say I called you a genius.

[SamA_nold]

“I never called you ignorant, I just said that you were overly susceptible to media biases and weren’t aware of the actual circumstances surrounding a case…”

If you want to play that game though: I never called you ignorant, I just said that your ignorance was showing 🥴

Either way, thank you for calling me a genius. I will be moving on with my night now.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Gaslighting on the way as you bow out. It's right there in writing that you were calling me ignorant... in fact, your initial statement towards the general public is they're all ignorant.

The rapist was an illegal immigrant... stated fact. Be offended all you like. Build a wall yet? lolz That question makes you run like a cockroach when the lights get turned on.

[John_Doesnt]

@D_Bone_Steak build a wall over Illinois?

[D_Bone_Steak]

@John_Doesnt At the border before 3 illegal Guatemalans make it as far as Ohio or Illinois. Remember the 'rapist' was living with them and the girl's Mother may not even be her real mother, because Illegals tend to do that (grab up a kid) to improve their chances of getting on the other side of the border... and the guy (Fuentes) also has the 'mother' pregnant as well. That's the type of shit going right through Mexico and getting straight to Ohio and then jumping states to get an abortion. Why Ohio... Columbus is a sanctuary city, that doesn't enforce immigration laws. I'm just saying, maybe, just maybe, stopping that stuff at the border was probably one of Trump's better ideas? Just maybe?

[NYCQuestions1976]

This is paranoia and propaganda. There's no national ban on abortions in the United States. The Supreme Court ruled "States' Rights", not "No Abortion". There's a difference. These are the current abortion laws in some of the more liberal states in the United States:

Massachusetts currently allows abortions into the 24th week.

New York currently allows abortions into the 24th week.

California currently allows abortions up to between the 24th and 26th week.

Illinois currently allows abortions up to between the 24th and 28th week.

Oregon currently allows abortions beyond the 27 week (see below).

New Jersey currently has NO LIMIT on abortions (see below).

https://abortionclinics.org/oregon/late-term-abortion-oregon/

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/health/2022/06/24/supreme-court-abortion-new-jersey-legal-roe-v-wade-dobbs/7683890001/

[hi_it_is_me123]

Only in few states? Noone say that abortion is illegal in whole U. S. in Europe it is similar. Poland bans abortion fir example while germany dont and therefore poland get critizised
So you can abort in every state of america till the end of first trimester?

[NYCQuestions1976]

Some more conservative states, like Texas, are trying to strictly over regulate choice (like Poland). Some states want the choice to be capped somewhere between 12 weeks and 18 weeks (similar to most of the countries in Europe). Other more liberal states allow late-term and third trimester abortions (similar to Canada). It varies in all 50 states.

It's complicated, but in simplest terms for now, the states with the largest populations, other than Texas, have pro-choice laws in place. There will be other states like Texas, but the majority of the population of the United States live in states with pro-choice laws.

[goaded]

And what will happen when Republicans introduce a federal law banning abortion?

That minority of the population that lives in Republican states (something like 40 million fewer Americans than those in the other states, iirc) will have imposed their religious views on the majority.

"A group of Republican senators has discussed at multiple meetings the possibility of banning abortion at around six weeks, said Sen. James Lankford (Okla.), who was in attendance and said he would support the legislation. Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) will introduce the legislation in the Senate, according to an antiabortion advocate with knowledge of the discussions who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal strategy. Ernst did not respond to a request for comment."
www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded States' Rights. Each state can be as restrictively barbaric (Texas) or grotesquely inhumane (New Jersey) as they choose.

[goaded]

You didn't answer my question: What will happen when Republicans introduce a federal law banning abortion?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded My response IS the answer. If the Democrats wanted to pass a national pro-choice law setting the demarcation to choose somewhere between 12 weeks and 18 weeks (similar to most countries in Europe), they could do so right now. They could've also done it back in 2009 or 2010 when they also had control of the House and Senate and Presidency as they do now. Instead, they do nothing, because liberals in the Democratic party don't want pro-choice laws. They want pro-abortion laws.

[goaded]

That's just an attempt to deflect from my question. I asked it because your opinion is about how things aren't so bad because many states still allow abortions.

What will happen when Republicans introduce a federal law banning abortion?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when gravity stops?

It's not deflection. You just don't like the answer, and you don't like the follow-up answer. That's your problem, not mine.

[goaded]

More deflection from the simple question that has an obvious answer that everyone can see. It's not a rhetorical question, I quoted and linked to an article describing Republican lawmakers discussing passing exactly that law.

What will happen when Republicans introduce a federal law banning abortion?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when the Earth stops being round?

Again, it's not deflection. You just don't like the answers of "States' Rights", "Democrat inaction", and like most ridiculous nonsensical liberals, not understanding the difference between being pro-choice and being pro-abortion. That's your problem, not mine.

[goaded]

Bullshit deflection. Republican lawmakers aren't capable of stopping gravity or changing the shape of the Earth. They are capable of passing a federal law banning abortion. What will happen when they do? Will there still be states where you can get an abortion?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when the Sun becomes a Red Giant?

I gave you answers. A few times now. It's not my fault that you're cognitively impaired.

The weather has finally cleared here. Time to resume the weekend.

[goaded]

More bullshit deflection. Republican lawmakers aren't capable of changing the laws of physics. They are perfectly capable of passing a federal law banning abortion. What will happen when they do? Will there still be states where you can get an abortion?

You and I both know that there won't be any states where you can get a legal abortion, and so your "paranoia and propaganda" claim is crap. People are already being harmed by the restrictions on drugs that may cause a miscarriage, even though they're used to protect people from serious diseases.

[MzAsh]

Way too many states are and have explicitly stated they plan on total ban. Mike Pence has explicitly stated he won’t rest until all states move towards a total ban. Its not paranoia. This is an actual agenda we know for a fact is happening.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@MzAsh It IS paranoia and propaganda, for the reasons that I've already detailed. Here's the abridged version: It's "States' Rights", not "no abortions". Each state can be as restrictively barbaric (Texas) or grotesquely inhumane (New Jersey) as they choose. A national pro-choice law could be passed tomorrow by Democrats (similar to the pro-choice laws in place in most of the European countries)... but they don't, because liberals in the Democratic party don't want a pro-choice law. They want a pro-abortion law. There's a difference.

@goaded What will happen when water isn't wet?

[MzAsh]

What would you say is the difference?

[goaded]

"What will happen when water isn't wet?"
I've got a couple of suggestions for your next distraction: "What will happen when Republicans tell the truth?", "What will happen if @NYCQuestions1976 ever answers a straight question?".

Republican lawmakers are perfectly capable of passing a federal law banning abortion. What will happen when they do? Will there still be states where you can get an abortion?

You and I both know that there won't be any states where you can get a legal abortion, and so your "paranoia and propaganda" claim is crap. People are already being harmed by the restrictions on drugs that may cause a miscarriage, even though they're used to protect people from serious diseases.

This shit is putting people's lives at risk. Living, breathing people with experiences, and friends, and loved ones.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@MzAsh The difference of what?

@goaded You have your answers. You just don't like them. A national pro-choice law could be passed TODAY. It would pass the House, it would pass the Senate (or Harris would break the tie), and the President would sign it into law. Instead, loony progressive socialist liberals have hijacked the Democratic party with stupidity, and they've all preoccupied themselves with a hearsay farce. You REFUSE to assign ANY BLAME where it SOLELY and SQUARELY belongs.

What will happen when @goaded uses his brain other than to keep his skull from collapsing?

[MzAsh]

You said there was a difference between a pro choice law and pro abortion law. What is the difference?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@MzAsh I described the differences above. No normal reasonable logical person under normal circumstances (non-emergency, non-criminal, non-health risk) needs more than 18 weeks to make a decision. Most European countries vary from 12 weeks to 15 weeks. Australia is 16 weeks. Japan is complicated, but generally varies from 12 weeks to 22 weeks. We could have an 18 week pro-choice law done today. Liberals don't want that. Liberals are never satisfied. They want unfettered late-term and third trimester abortions, up to 40 weeks, no questions asked, like Canada. So nothing gets done.

[MzAsh]

That’s your opinion and you have the right to think that, but I am firmly against anyone other than the pregnant woman herself deciding what’s reasonable, logical, or best for her during her pregnancy.

[goaded]

No, you never answered the question "What will happen when Republicans pass a federal ban on abortions?", not once.

You've distracted and lied about distracting, but you've never once answered the question. Here's a hint: the answer is: "There will be no state where a woman can get an abortion." (you can cut and paste it, if you finally want to answer the question.)

You're also lying about being able to pass a pro-choice law without getting rid of the filibuster. But that's just icing.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@MzAsh That law will probably never happen, and that's why nothing gets done. However, playing Devil's Advocate, if that's the standard you want, then I am firmly against anyone other than the pregnant woman herself financially paying to have and make that choice. You can't be against government intervention when it comes to medical decisions, but then want that same government to pay for those medical decisions via others' tax dollars. That's the epitome of hypocrisy. I agree that I don't want the government interfering in my medical decisions... but I also don't ask that same government to pay for my medical decisions. Other people, in the form of government, aren't responsible for my medical decisions. That standard should apply to everyone.

My body, my choice, my wallet. Your body, your choice, your wallet.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded You don't want a filibuster? You cut a deal. Ronald Reagan and Tom "Tip" O'Neill did it all the time.

What will happen when the Earth doesn't rotate from west to east?

[goaded]

Reagan was a Republican president working with Senate Democrats, not a Democratic president working with McConnell's Senate Republicans, who have made an art of blocking any legislation they're not in favour of as a party for the last 25 years.

Why did you pass over the part where I pointed out that you never answered the question "What will happen when Republicans pass a federal ban on abortions?"?

You've distracted and lied about distracting, but you've never once answered the question. Here's the answer again, for you to cut and paste: "There will be no state where a woman can get an abortion.".

[MzAsh]

NYC, I don’t disagree with that. If it’s their responsibility.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded You have your answers. For whatever reason (s), you just don't like any of them. That's your problem, not mine.

There is definitely something cognitively wrong with you. There is just no other logical reasonable explanation. It's some sort of weird impairment that I have no time or interest in figuring out. You should consider scheduling a battery of tests. Good luck.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@MzAsh Well yes of course. That's why there are criminal, medical, viability, and emergency allowances in the law. I would never expect or want a woman to carry the financial burden in those instances, no matter what the stage of pregnancy happens to be. However, in instances where the choice is solely birth control, there should be a reasonable pro-choice demarcation. If there's not going to be a reasonable pro-choice demarcation, then the financial responsibility for that choice shouldn't fall on others and their tax dollars. That's what liberals want; Government funded unlimited and unfettered choice via tax dollars, without any government say or intervention. That's unreasonable policy.

[goaded]

Bullshit. You have not given an answer to the simple question: "What will happen when Republicans pass a federal ban on abortions?".

The only thing wrong with me is that I can't abide people who can't stop lying. People like you. So I'll keep pointing it out.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded No, you just can't stand that I continuously, constantly, and consistently point out that you're in love with all forms of big fat stupid bloated grim reaper socialism government. I also find it ironically humorous that so many of those who support government-funded unfettered late-term and third trimester abortions should have been one themselves.

[goaded]

Lying again? I can't abide people who can't stop lying. People like you. So I'll keep pointing it out.

Bullshit. You have not given an answer to the simple question: "What will happen when Republicans pass a federal ban on abortions?".

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded Really? You're going to try and deny that you're not a lover of all kinds of big fat stupid bloated taxpayer funded grim reaper socialism government?

What will happen when clear is considered a color?

[goaded]

Your attempts to pretend you're not a disingenuous asshole who won't answer a simple question whose answer is obvious to anyone with a brain are pathetic. What will happen when Republicans pass a federal abortion ban law?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when essential oils have to work while non-essential oils stay home?

[goaded]

Your attempts to pretend you're not a disingenuous asshole who won't answer a simple question whose answer is obvious to anyone with a brain are pathetic.
What will happen when Republicans pass a federal abortion ban law?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when @goaded has to do things for himself instead of relying on taxpayer funded big fat stupid bloated grim reaper socialism government?

[goaded]

Another pathetic attempt to pretend you're not a disingenuous asshole who won't answer a simple question whose answer is obvious to anyone with a brain.
What will happen when Republicans pass a federal abortion ban law?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when you get tunnel vision on a bridge over troubled water?

[goaded]

I wouldn't be able to see yet another pathetic attempt to pretend you're not a disingenuous asshole who won't answer a simple question whose answer is obvious to anyone with a brain.
What will happen when Republicans pass a federal abortion ban law?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when lawmakers waste their time pretending to get arrested instead of trying to make laws?

[goaded]

Yet another pathetic attempt to pretend you're not a disingenuous asshole who won't answer a simple question whose answer is obvious to anyone with a brain?
What will happen when Republicans pass a federal abortion ban law?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when @goaded accidentally uses applied logic when accidentally thinking (since neither will ever occur on purpose)?

[goaded]

Yet another disingenuous attempt to pretend you're not a asshole who won't answer a simple question whose answer is obvious to anyone with a brain. Pathetic.
What will happen when Republicans pass a federal abortion ban law?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when you need to keep altering the same response because GaG doesn't allow duplicate responses?

[goaded]

Well, maybe you'll have answered the simple question: "What will happen when Republicans introduce a federal law banning abortion?" by then,

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded I gave you the answer. Multiple answers, multiple times. You just don't like the answers. That problem lies with you, not me.

[goaded]

@NYCQuestions1976 No, you've spent the last three days avoiding giving an answer to that question, but fine, quote it here, and I'll stop asking it. An actual answer to the simple question, mind.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when we push the history eraser button?

[goaded]

No actual answer to the simple question, because you don't do anything but lie and distract.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when black holes are inside out?

[goaded]

No actual answer to the simple question, because you don't do anything but lie and distract from the very real possibility that Republicans will pass a federal abortion ban the first chance they get.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded What will happen when you get caught between the Moon and New York City? I know it's crazy, but it's true.

[goaded]

"A group of Republican senators has discussed at multiple meetings the possibility of banning abortion at around six weeks, said Sen. James Lankford (Okla.), who was in attendance and said he would support the legislation. Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) will introduce the legislation in the Senate, according to an antiabortion advocate with knowledge of the discussions who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal strategy. Ernst did not respond to a request for comment."

[NYCQuestions1976]

@goaded
Crunchy Munchies are the best,
Look delicious on your vest,
Serve them to unwanted guests,
Stuff your mattress with the rest!

[Stoner710]

While in this rare in horrible case, And every single state she would be allowed to get an abortion because 10--year-olds can’t get birth without being put at risk of death with few exceptions like Catholics everyone agrees flight is at risk you have the right to an abortion, the ten year old who was raped life was at Risk because ten years can’t give birth without there life being at serious risk.

in normal rape cases yeah the woman should be forced to carry the child to term because how do we know that she’s not making up a rape case just to get an abortion? I understand it’s a hard pill to swallow I understand that a grave injustice has been done and the rapist should be physically castrated or killed. But because women are humans and humans lie I can’t trust that a women who willingly has sex with a Radom guy and then claims rape because she got pregnant isn’t lying about being raped. Obviously if she comes for the night she is raped and he’s happily traumatized and they can get DNA evidence right off the bat that’s a different story but unfortunately you can’t claim rape when you figure out that you’re a month pregnant just to get an abortion because know that you’re not lying.

(it’s like I’m cleaning about the English language we need to start using the word you in contacts like this I’m not accusing you of anything but it’s a word we use for people in general we need to go back to using the word one)

[UCrayCray]

So all rape victims should have to carry the pregnancy to term because you don’t trust women?
Lol…. okay 😂🤣😂🤣

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray if there coming forward 2-3 months later yes. by the way if not that I don’t trust only women I don’t trust guys either. Humans in general aren’t trust worth as a species. I have more faith walking into a pride of lions that they would kill and eat me then I do humans to tell the truth I have 0 faith in humans.

Now that being said women who come forward the night there raped and can get a DNA test of the guy who raped her sure allow her to get an abortion.

I have sympathy for rape victims don’t get me wrong I want rape victims to come forced the night it happened so we can be sure we’re getting the right guy. My position on what we do to rapist is they should either be castrated or killed. Think if a women lies about being raped 3 months later when she willingly slept with a guy and we castrated or killed them and they were innocent then we killed someone who hasn’t done anything. This is why I want women who are raped to come forward so we can get a DNA test to destroy the rapist

[FunkyMonkee]

How about if somebody rapes you and they FORCE YOU to have the kid?

[Stoner710]

@FunkyMonkee well I’m a dude so that’s not gonna help happen, so that a stupid argument. If I was a chick and I was raped I would go to the police that night so they could get a DNA test and find the rapist the execute the rapist

[UCrayCray]

Again. You seems to want to make laws based on how you feel about people. Thankfully, the law making doesn’t depend on your feels.
I do find it amusing how you claim to know what you would do as a female living in a female body when you absolutely no clue what it’s like. Rape isn’t always as cut and dry as a man forcing his penis inside an unwilling victim. But I don’t expect you to understand that because you don’t live in a world where the threat of rape and pregnancy is real for you.
Just try to remember that when posting all this bullshit of all the things you would do, if you were a woman in that situation. 🙄

[FunkyMonkee]

DUUUUUH! NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!! THAT'S why you have to put yourself into HER shoes!! You DO have an imagination, don't you? Imagine you're a girl, you just got raped and found out you got pregnant from it. You try to get an abortion and they tell you you HAVE to keep the baby full term because we don''t trust you that you were actually raped!

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray you gotta understand if rapist are castrated or killed like they should be wouldn’t you want to make sure your getting an actual rapist and not a guy who have sex with a willing women. If she then come forward and claims rape 2 months later because she got pregnant from a 1 night stand and claimed rape we would have no choice but to castrate or kill the person who willingly had sex with her

[FunkyMonkee]

How does forcing her to have the baby punish ANYONE but her?/

[UCrayCray]

@Stoner710.
Or…. we could just leave abortion between a woman and her doctor. That way, none of what you imagined here would become a reality.
Women would get true ownership over their uteruses, and men will get to keep their penises.
Win-Win

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray @UCrayCray what about the child’s life? What about the right to life? I thought we had equal protection under the law? The baby is a separate being from the mother. Unless your saying mothers while pregnant have 20 fingers 20 toes 2 vagina’s if the baby is female or a penis if the baby is male. The baby has its own DNA structure and blood type. It has its own pain receptacles. Etc. So no we should go back to abortion.

That being said, even if I wanted abortion illegal on the federal level it’s impossible for them to do anything with abortion even we have the tenth amendment The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. That’s the most the constitution would has on abortion. If a right wasn’t delegated by the constitution as a right it’s up to the states to decide on abortion. (Same thing frankly with gay marriage homosexual sex and birth control if a state wants to prevent someone from getting birth control in Alameda that is Alabama’s right to prevent birth control being sold in Alabama)

The way your suppose to interpret the constitution is as it was written when it was written, a constitutional amendment must interpreted as it was interpret it at the time it was written. It’s a dead document until congress acts to amend the constitution. Until the vote to change the constitution is had its dead. Since the 14th amendment was written in 1866 you must interpret the 14th amendment as it was written what it meant in 1866. 2nd amendment says we have the right to bar arms this means is the citizens as allowed to have the same weapons as the government regardless of level of technology there is no such thing as a common sense gun law that the constitution recognizes.

[UCrayCray]

In order for the “child” to have equal protection under the law, the woman must give up hers. Nobody is allowed to physically connect to your body in an effort to keep themselves alive. They do not have any right whatsoever to use your organs to sustain their lives without your expressed and continued permission. See, I believe the protection, when in conflict like we see here, defaults to the owner of the body that takes the risk of sustaining and growing the other. I do not believe a newly fertilized egg takes precedence. Sorry
Are you really okay with the states telling you you cannot use birth control? What if they decided you couldn’t have Viarga? Or a vasectomy? You are okay with the government making that choice for you? That’s pretty disgusting. Government shouldn’t have any say in your medical choices. It’s amazing that you think they should.
The fact that the constitution supports “citizens as allowed to have the same weapons as the government regardless of level of technology” is proof that it’s time to rethink what it says.

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray I’m uncomfortable the federal government telling states what to do. States yes I’m comfortable with states telling there citizens what to do. If I was living in Texas and they said I don’t have a right to purchase condoms that’s fine that there right as a state. If California wants to allow people to get condoms that’s there right. The federal government is suppose to be very limited in its power. Now I’m down for going back to the articles of confederation of 1776 which made the federal government so powerless they couldn’t even collect taxes from the state. I doubt you’ve ever read the federalist paper v the anti federalist papers. (Most people in the United States haven’t read them) but this is why the anti federalist were afraid of adopting the constitution it’s self because they figured the federal government would just take more and more power from the states which it has essentially over the course of the 20th century really starting with TR forward. If you don’t like the laws of Texas move to a state where you do like the laws.

[Stoner710]

Was the original idea of the federalist. You can’t rethink what the constitution says without abandoning the constitution all together. That of course would end up in 50 separate countries. Texas has been regarding they joined the union at all and over state will fallow Texas example.

Now of course by having sex you are giving the baby permission to be in your body. The consequences of sex is pregnancy, currently of course we can use birth control so use birth control. Put the child up for adoption there are may options for women have to prevent pregnancy this isn’t china where they are forcing women for have kids. All pro-lifers are saying is you don’t get to kill an unborn child. We of course except the potential death of the mother to have an abortion like in this case of a 10 year old getting pregnant (by the way there now gonna sweep this one under the rug because the guy who raped this little girl was an illegal immigrant). Rape sure if the women comes forward the night it happens because we need to get an DNA test in order to put the rapist in prison castrate or execute him. I bought the child without it going on 2 to 3 months. Better to use plan B which police will give out for free In the case of rape.

[UCrayCray]

No. Agreeing to sex IS NOT consent to being pregnant. Otherwise, stealthing wouldn’t be considered sexual assault. Having a child shouldn’t be a “consequence” of having sex. Are you kidding me? Is that really a pro-life position?
Adoption doesn’t prevent a women from having to endure pregnancy and childbirth, so it’s not really a viable option for those who don’t want to do that.
Since you are okay with rape victims aborting, your whining about “killing an unborn child” rings empty. Either you believe a newly fertilized egg is entitled to live, or you do not. Why do the circumstances around how she got pregnant make any difference?
And since it’s heartless to force a rape victim to give birth to her rapist baby, your position really puts you in a tough place to defend.
I know you think rape is much like having your purse stolen, right? You notice your purse is missing, you go to the police and report it. Rape is a little different. It’s not as clear cut as having a possession stolen. Many women question their own culpability, often blaming themselves for what happened. The trauma of it can take a long, long time to process and even talk about. And that doesn’t even cover women in situations where they are raped by family members/friends on a repeated basis. Of course, none of that is a consideration for you.
And what happens to the women who do report rape, but the guy claims consent was given? He said/she said. Should abortions be allowed in these situations?
Your ideas of what should happen shows how much contempt you really have for the female population, and it’s very, very sad.

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray first off never heard of the word stealthing had to look it up, but yes that would be sexual assault and should be considered to be sexual assault by law.

Yes getting pregnant is the natural consequence of having sex that’s called biology. Pro lifers want one to get married and have sex with 1 person this goes for both men and women. Because getting pregnant is a natural consequence of having sex. Humans didn’t give humans this consequence millions of year of evolution blame evolution and biology for that one but that’s natural law.

We as pro lifers discourage hook up culture, this is why women saying the over turn of roe v wade is the death of hook up culture we pro lifers think good get marred have sex with your husband have kids and love a wonderful life. That has been American tradition and western tradition since the fall of the Roman Empire.

As someone who was adopted because the only reason my mom wanted me was to go on welfare adoption is a way better option then killing someone because your not ready to have kids, again if you don’t have to have a kid or even carry a child to birth don’t have sex. Really that simple.

Again in the case of rape I want women to come forward. There are pretty clear sighs when a women is raped they’re panicked there ashamed. As far as the girls who get raped by a family member or a friend abortion is a good way of covering up the evils of her rapist rape. Many fathers or abusive boyfriends have done this your actually making it easier for men to get away with rape. Your point about the guy coming in and lying is the same point I’m making about the woman coming in and lying.

[Stoner710]

I don’t trust humans in general. So we would have to assess the situation and determine where we go from there, there are many rape trauma therapist out there who have dealt with rape cases in the past they know if a women is lying or if a man is lying most of the time the man is lying, but we’ve seen with the Amber heard Jonny Depp trail that women will lie to benefit them. Same with Brett Kavanaugh hearings. There was a girl who claimed she was gang raped by a football team and turned out she was lying www.theroot.com/white-woman-who-falsely-accused-2-black-football-player-1828591038

With stories like this how do I know a women isn’t lying about being raped just to get an abortion. This is a mainstream pro life opinion.

[UCrayCray]

@Stoner710
Yes, stealthing is considered sexual assault because consent to sex ISN’T consent for pregnancy, no matter how much you want it to be.
You’ll have to excuse me, but I’m of the mind that children should be wanted and loved. Not just the “consequence” of a bad choice.
I really don’t give a rats behind what the pro-life crowd want for MY life. They want marriage, they can get married. Don’t like hookup culture, don’t participate in it. Why is it that you don’t like something, so other people can’t do it. Should you be forced to eat a salad because I’m on a diet? I don’t imagine you’d like that very much.
“…you don’t have to have a kid or even carry a child to birth don’t have sex. Really that simple.” Yeah, I have seen this “advice” before. So to paraphrase, what you are telling women, and only women, is if you don’t want to subject yourself to the highest rate of maternal mortality in all develop countries, a rate we in the US currently enjoy, she must excluded herself from a relationship that includes the closeness and bonding that come with making love to your partner? She should simply deny herself this very important aspect of most relationships?
Would you marry a woman who only had sex to create children? What if she only wanted 1 child? Would you be okay in a sexless marriage if she decides to take your advice and not have any sex at all? I highly doubt you would. Telling OTHER people to not have sex is easy because it’s other people. But the reality is, it’s not that simple at all.

Cont…

[UCrayCray]

@Stoner710
Always about what you want. You want rape victims to come forward right away. Well, I want rape victims not to exist. Sadly, we can’t always get what we want. We have to find ways to deal with what we have.
I’m glad you think that therapist are human lie detectors, but all you suggest takes time. All this assessing of the situation could take months, then what? Too bad, so sad, you’re too far along to abort now. Looks like you are giving birth to your rapist baby. Lucky girl. 🙄
You’re right. How do YOU know if the woman is lying or not. That’s the priority here after all, right? YOUR belief in her story? 🙄
How many rape babies need to be birthed in order to make YOU feel good about it all? Since it’s really all about YOU, your pro-life cohorts and what YOU guys want.
Everybody else be dammed.

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray Ok so compromises in an option it seems like, The goal in rape cases is to make sure we’re not murdering an innocent baby by a women coming forward and lying. Again I think we should be putting to death rapist. You clearly think we should be executed the unborn child who has done nothing wrong. So now I have no choice but not stop compromising and say fuck it rape victim are going to have to carry the rapist child to term and then she will have the option of giving it up for adoption or motherhood. This is that stance most pro lifers will take after talking to people like you. Women Weill agree with me to, I know several women from the dailywire community who share the same option as I do, I was at least trying to give rape victims and out you won’t give it to them unless we completely legalize the murdering of the unborn. So rape victims you get to have your rapist kids you can give us a DNA test once the child is born and will go after the rapist and then giving him a death by firing squad. No more compromise and no more murdering the unborn. I don’t want to live in a country with people who think murdering unborn babies is the right thing to do

[UCrayCray]

Lmao. You speak like you actually get to make the laws.
The majority of the American population support abortion, at least in the first term. So some may agree with you, but the majority do not.
All you want to do is impose your belief on others. As if you are in some righteous position to lord over those who disagree with you.
I believe women have a right to their own bodies. You believe in government mandatory child rearing. I bet you claim to prefer smaller government too, dontcha?

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray at this point unfortunately small government isn’t going to work. I want baby’s to be born I’d don’t want them murdered before there born. You act like we’re trying to force you to get pregnant that isn’t the case. All we’re asking is for women not to kill there unborn children. If that means we have to pay more in taxes to help with child care I’m fine with that. If you don’t want to get pregnant don’t have sex or use birth control I don’t see how it’s that hard or to much to ask. Pro lifers view the baby as a separate life from the mother. You’ll never convince a pro lifers with the my body my choice argument because we view it as a separate body from yours. Again the only country that will hold you down and rape you and force you to have a kid is China. But this is why we have federalism if you are pro choice live i. California or New York and Oregon if your pro life move to Texas or Florida or Alabama or Louisiana. Most Texans believe abortion is murder most people in California believe abortion is women’s health care. There is no middle ground on this issue best thing to do is not have the federal government making decisions for the states California doesn’t have the right to cram it’s views on Texas and Texas doesn’t have the right to cram it’s views on Californians by using the federal government your doing exactly that

[UCrayCray]

@Stoner710
Again you suggest that a woman must deny herself an important part of a loving relationship, which is unreasonable. Answer the question. Would you live in a sexless marriage if your wife followed your advice and denied you sex unless it’s to make a child? Meaning no more once your family is complete.
Yeah, probably not.
I know you see it as a separate body. That’s fine. I don’t, but that doesn’t matter. Never, can you ever, use the body of another, especially to sustain life, without continued permission. Women should not be reduced to mere incubators when they become pregnant.
I don’t care about states rights vs. federal rights tbh. What difference does it make who gets to tell me what I can do with my uterus?

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray yes I would be in a sexless marriage I don’t need sex what I’m looking for in a women is companionship. I use to be liberal and pro choice. Until I gave it some thought once I became pro-life I swore off of sex until I am married and we’re ready to have kids. If she doesn’t want to give birth We’ll adopt. A relationship with a women is much more then sex. Yes sex is part of a relationship but it’s not the point of one any guy could get laid get a girl pregnant and have her get an abortion and there is not consequences. I myself am adopted my brother and sister at 18-20 years older then me, my nephew is 5 years younger he got a girl pregnant everyone in my family was saying his girl should get an abortion. I was the only one who told them not to, and get married. The marriage hasn’t happened yet but I am the reason that little boy is about to turn 3 this year and not just another unborn child. He has his own personality his own DNA and he’s his own person, and my nephew is doing the responsible thing in raising the child with the girl he got pregnant.

Untimely it is your choice to have sex, it is up to you do deny having sex with the guy. The guy may be disappointed. Give him and hand jobs and he’ll be fine. That how me and my girlfriend do it because we’re saving ourselves until I can afford to put that ring on her finger. I’m almost 29 I should be married with kids and this point I’m not because I went to college late we’ve been together for 6 years met her when I was 23. It’s worth it to give our future Yuki Hana or Sebastian there lives (I’m a anime nerd who also speaks enough Japanese to get around I get to name the girl it means snow flower) I’ve been with this girl for 6 years I love her for her I’ve been with her even though we don’t have sex because I love her and we will have kids once my political commentary gains traction. My goal is to be like Ben Shapiro without the Jewish part.

[UCrayCray]

If you would willingly be in a sexless marriage, then that’s the choice you make. If you’re being honest about that, then good. At least you live what you preach. You are in a minority there.
However, nobody is claiming that a relationship is all about sex. But it does play a significant role in a loving, committed relationship. Your choice to forgo that bonding experience is all yours, and you have all the right in the world to make that choice.
What I still don’t understand is why you believe everybody else should live by your ideals? Why do you believe that your feelings should be the standards we all live by? Believe me when I tell you that I see things other people do and I disagree wholeheartedly with the choices they make. I support their right to make their own choices within their own life, even if I don’t approve. (Because my approval isn’t required.) That applies to you as well by the way. Make your choices, even if I don’t like those choices.
Why can’t you give me the same respect?

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray because that’s not how society work. You are governed by laws which the majority consented to. This is why states are more important then the federal government. It is the right of the Texas state government to tell you can me how to live if we live in Texas I as an individual can’t tell you want to do with your life the government can. We don’t live in a libertarian society one side is going to have control over your body no matter what. I know you don’t care about government or the politics of the argument but that is what it comes down to the people who have the right to tell you what you can and can’t do with your body is the government. I’m in Washington state the governments in Washington state says I can smoke weed if I want to, the government of Idaho says I can’t the Idaho government is telling its citizens what it can and can’t do with there bodies. If you don’t want the government telling you to have not have sex or your having a baby that is the governments right. The women is china don’t have a right to say no I don’t want to be held down and forced to have sex and get pregnant by some high end government officials they don’t have the right to get an abortion either. Rights come from government it can be given or taken away

[UCrayCray]

So government mandated vasectomies and forced organ donation would be okay with you if your state government told you you had to do it?
Sure 👍

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray I would leave the state but yes they could order that if they wanted to, Now you would get a civil war or a revolution against the government if they mandated that. But state governments could technically do that. They won’t because they want to stay alive but yes they could mandate it. Your forgetting the option of moving to another state

[UCrayCray]

Nope! There are limits to government power. What happens inside my body is, or at the very least should be, one of the places that are not under government regulation.

[Stoner710]

@UCrayCray well we’re in the United States of course you believe that. Talk that way in a place like China or North Korea you’ll be in a concentration camp faster then you can say “rights” in north Korea your idea of freedom would get your family imprisoned for the next 3 generations.

Untimely government does have a say if what you do with your body. The only way governments don’t have that right is if some sorta of god exists. Since god doesn’t exist either we have to get rid of government entirely in which case you can make any decisions about your body or we keep government in place and then they do have a right to have a say in your life. For abortion to have no legal consequences (depending on where you live) you will have to destroy the government

[UCrayCray]

So your argument is I shouldn’t have my opinion because in some places I would get punished for my views?
What?
And ultimately no, the government doesn’t have a say. You said it yourself, citizens would revolt. Unless of course, it starts small. You know, like woman’s reproduction rights. You never know, maybe your choices of birth control might be next. Then, perhaps, how many children you have, or if you are even allowed children. I mean, how far are you willing to let go? Until it’s your rights being infringed upon is my guess. I’m betting when that happens, you’ll be joining the voices who are speaking out today against the over turning off RvW.

[bolverk]

I sincerely doubt that this 10yo would be forced to carry the foetus to term as her body would not be able to do it, and she would be able to get an abortion under the conditions that are currently in place. the headlines by CBS are sensationalist. an abortion would be covered by Public funding in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.

In Ohio, the following restrictions on abortion were in effect as of June 28, 2022:

A patient must receive state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage the patient from having an abortion, and then wait 24 hours before the procedure is provided. Counseling must be provided in person and must take place before the waiting period begins, thereby necessitating two trips to the facility.
Health plans offered in the state’s health exchange under the Affordable Care Act can only cover abortion in cases of life endangerment, or in cases of rape or incest.
Abortion is covered in insurance policies for public employees only in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.
Medication abortion must be provided using the FDA protocol.
The parent of a minor must consent before an abortion is provided.
Public funding is available for abortion only in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.
Most patients will undergo an ultrasound before obtaining an abortion, since the provider must test for a fetal heartbeat. The patient will be offered the option to view the image.
Abortion is banned at six weeks of pregnancy, except in cases of life endangerment or severely compromised physical health.
The state prohibits abortions performed in response to genetic anomaly.
The state requires abortion clinics to meet unnecessary and burdensome standards related to their physical plant, equipment and staffing.

[goaded]

The author of the law begs to differ.
www.politico.com/.../anti-abotion-10-year-old-ohio-00045843
"Jim Bopp, an Indiana lawyer who authored the model legislation in advance of the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, told POLITICO on Thursday that his law only provides exceptions when the pregnant person’s life is in danger."

[bolverk]

@goaded It turns out that the child's family never took her for medical treatment in Ohio
www.youtube.com/watch

[goaded]

Tim Pool, the Republicans' favourite "leftist" justifying his leaping to the wrong conclusion and making paranoid claims that it was all a "trap" for "the right"?

The 24 hour delay alone would be sufficient reason to travel over state lines.

[bolverk]

@goaded Time was not an issue as this existed;
Ohio, this was in effect as of June 28, 2022:; Public funding is available for abortion in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest.
The 10 yo would have bee treated out of the public purse, the family has given no reason why they took her to a neighbouring state.

[goaded]

It doesn't appear that that is the case. Six weeks, then you're out.

"When is abortion legal in Ohio?

Abortions are permitted until cardiac activity is detected, which usually occurs at about six weeks gestation. Physicians mark the start of a pregnancy by the first day of the person's last menstrual period, so many people don't know they're pregnant before six weeks unless they have a regular cycle.

Are there any exceptions?

Abortions beyond this threshold are legal if the provider determines it's a medical emergency and necessary to prevent the pregnant person's death or "serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function." There are no exceptions for cases of rape and incest or fatal fetal anomalies. "
eu.cincinnati.com/.../

[goaded]

Oh, and "Most patients will undergo an ultrasound before obtaining an abortion, since the provider must test for a fetal heartbeat. The patient will be offered the option to view the image." That would be a transvaginal ultrasound, if it's to detect a fetal heartbeat. Basically that means someone else raping the 10 year old child.

[ChrisMaster69]

Yeah it’s fairly shocking.

This article pretty much some it up and just how fucking pathetic some people are both in the US and on here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/07/14/10-year-old-abortion/

[ChrisMaster69]

Then you have fuckwits threatening to go after doctors.

www.politico.com/.../indiana-doctor-10-year-old-rape-victim-00045764

Nothing like pushing an agenda of fear among medical professionals.

It is all turning in to a Christian version of Iran.

[MzAsh]

I’m honestly surprised she was able to get it done in Indiana. Indiana is a cult hub.

[ChrisMaster69]

@MzAsh

twitter.com/.../1547607753698394114

The bizarre things that come out.

[ChrisMaster69]

@hi_it_is_me123 ref your update, I find they are hiding behind technicalities over the use of the word illegal, as in if mothers life is at risk then it can. In the majority of that is not the case, then it’s illegal.
Doctors and medical professions are terrified of spending 10-20 years in prison, because there was a 1% chance the mother could have lived.
Notice a lot that say it’s not illegal then do not condemn that the girl could not get one, that speaks volumes

[wolfcat87]

I think that no one ever asks the victim what they want when they are trying to push their agenda. Funny how that works when they USE a young rape victim to get what they want instead of what the child wants. Just like no one cares about all of the children being raped and dragged in to have forced abortions by their rapists to cover up and throw away evidence. Leaving the children to be raped for many more years. But, no. A baby is the problem. Not the actual rape, rapists, and enablers. Not everyone re-victimizing the children over and over. A young girl killed herself in my state over people treating her exactly like this. I went through it as well and became incredibly suicidal. I've never met a child rape victim who would have wanted their baby killed. Most would not have.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Turns out, it was the mother's boyfriend, an illegal. The abortion had nothing to do with the health of the girl. It had everything to do with the mother trying to cover up the boyfriend's crime, so the girl could continue to live in a dangerous situation, and the boyfriend could skirt justice.

The baby and the girl should both live. The baby daddy should get the electric chair, and the mother who aided and abetted a criminal alien invader rapist should get to stay in prison until she's mummified into the walls, to continue serving her sentence even after death.

[Oigit]

A standard practice for hospitals is that a rape victim is given access to emergency contraceptives such as plan B. But things can get complicated when they are dealing with a minor. Because parents would have the last say. Everything gets even more complicated when you dig into the history of the back and forth on giving rape victims access to something such as plain be. Due to various conflicts between various elected officials, religious groups and other groups over rape victims to emergency contraceptives like plan b.

Do your self a favor and do some research on a given topic rather then watch main stream media news. Because you end up getting half or less then half of a story, a lot of biased and mainstream media on both sides are quick to leave things out if it will paint their side in a bad light.

[Soteris]

The world that American Republicans wants us to live in is fucking horrific. That is what I think of a 10 year old rape victim who they want to not only give birth but also "feel grateful for" as the author of the bill in question puts it. Yeah, apparently this is a good thing in Conservative America. Fucking revolting...

[MzAsh]

No kidding man. I’m never voting Republican if this is what they want. They can kiss our asses.

[007kingifrit]

the story is fake, the girl can get an abortion in her home state

[MzAsh]

How do you know?

[007kingifrit]

@MzAsh the AG came out and said so, furthermore the original story was published without checking with any sources at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0M0QWX1yfc&t=1s

[Soteris]

@007kingifrit Funny how someone was taken to trial for something that did not happen.

[007kingifrit]

what? i never said the rape didn't happen, but that the laws never prevented the 10 year old from the abortion, that is the fake part of the story

[Soteris]

@007kingifrit Actually it did, otherwise they would not have bothered literally going to another state. This is just the reality of the situation, if it was technically possible or not is secondary to the fact that the laws were obstructive and questionable enough that it was not worth pursuing in favor of going elsewhere.

As I understand the abortion laws in Ohio, and as far as they have been tested in court, the only real exception to the ban on abortions is for medical reasons after around 6 weeks of pregnancy. A 10 year old is very much a borderline case in this regard since there are plenty of cases each year of 10 year olds giving birth successfully so that by itself can be argued to not be a medical concern.

As such, since they could not afford to wait or jump through the numerous arbitrary hoops that Ohio demands of you before you are allowed an abortion I can safely say that the laws did indeed prevent that 10 year old girl from having an abortion.

[Kasabiian]

Rape is a terrible crime, but it's not the babies fault so it should not need to die because of the actions of a rapist.

Also, girls who have abortions usually suffer from guilt and emotional distress as a result, a young rape victim should certainly not have to suffer this additional trauma. Adoption may be a sensible option in this instance.

Of course, your question is not suggesting that millions of healthy babies should be legally killed because of the 0.3 percent of abortions that are the result of rape, is it?

[hi_it_is_me123]

I personally would not even abort even my life is in danger since i am very emotional when it comes to my potential kids.

[goaded]

The victim was practically a baby in this case. And, no, there's no significant findings of guilt and emotional distress due to abortions found in actual studies.

www.guttmacher.org/.../emotional-and-mental-health-after-abortion

[Kasabiian]

@goaded "And, no, there's no significant findings of guilt and emotional distress due to abortions found in actual studies."

LOL!

"(a) abortion is consistently associated with elevated rates of mental illness compared to women without a history of abortion; (b) the abortion experience directly contributes to mental health problems for at least some women; (c) there are risk factors, such as pre-existing mental illness, that identify women at greatest risk of mental health problems after an abortion".

"In 1992, the Journal of Social Issues dedicated an entire issue to the psychological effects of induced abortion. In an overview of the contributors’ papers, the editor, Dr Gregory Wilmoth, concluded, "There is now virtually no disagreement among researchers that some women experience negative psychological reactions postabortion."

"The 2008 report of the American Psychological Association’s (APA) Task Force on Mental Health and Abortion (TFMHA) concluded that “it is clear that some women do experience sadness, grief, and feelings of loss following termination of a pregnancy, and some experience clinically significant disorders, including depression and anxiety.” Indeed, task force chair Brenda Major et al.’s own research had reported that 2 years after their abortions, 1.5% of the remnant participating in her case series (38% of the 1177 eligible women, after dropouts) had all the symptoms for abortion-specific post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). In addition, she found that compared to their 1-month post-abortion assessments, at 2 years the participating remnant had significantly rising rates of depression and negative reactions and lowering rates of positive reactions, relief, and decision satisfaction."

[goaded]

"David C. Reardon is an American electrical engineer and anti-abortion activist"

[Kasabiian]

@goaded What?

"The fact that some women do have maladjustments is most specifically documented in case studies developed by post-abortion counselors successfully treating women with maladjustments, including counselors working from a pro-choice perspective as well as from those working from a pro-life perspective.

Even one of the harshest critics of the “myth” of abortion trauma, psychiatrist Nada L Stotland, subsequently reported her own clinical experience treating a patient whose miscarriage triggered a mental health crisis arising from unresolved issues regarding a prior abortion. Stotland, who later served as president of the American Psychiatric Association, subsequently began to recommend screening of prospective abortion patients for risk factors in order to guide decision counseling and identify additional counseling needs."

"The TFMHA itself identified at least 15 risk factors for increased risk of negative reactions. The incidence rates... clearly suggest that the majority of women seeking abortion have one or more of the TFMHA identified risk factors. Since exposure to multiple abortions is one of the risk factors, that risk factor alone applies to approximately half of all women having abortions, at least in the United States.

Notably, the TFMHA list used here is one of the shortest that has been developed. A similar, but longer list is published in the text book on abortion most highly recommended by the National Abortion Federation. A more recent systematic search of the literature for risk factors associated with elevated rates of psychological problems after abortion cataloged 119 peer reviewed studies identifying 146 individual risk factors which the author grouped into 12 clusters. Yet another major review of risk factors identified risk factors from 63 studies".

".. the trend in findings, as shown in Figure 1, is very clear. Women who abort are at higher risk of many mental health problems."

[Kasabiian]

This conclusion is strengthened by the variety of the study designs that have been conducted. Collectively, these studies examine a wide variety of different comparison groups, explore a diverse set of outcome variables, employ a large variety of control variables, and report on numerous outcomes over different time frames and/or at a variety of cross sections of time. Collectively, they reveal the following:
(a) There are no findings of mental health benefits associated with abortion. (These would be signified by the entire 95% confidence line being below 1.0.)
(b) The association between abortion and higher rates of anxiety, depression, substance use, traumatic symptoms, sleep disorders, and other negative outcomes is statistically significant in most analyses."

"Given the weight of the many statistically validated studies cited above, much less than the reports of clinicians and women who attribute PTSD symptoms to their abortions, it seems evident that the effort of a few AMH minimalists to categorically deny that abortion can contribute to traumatic reactions is driven by ideological considerations, not science."

ncbi. nlm. nih. gov/pmc/articles/PMC6207970/

[goaded]

The author of the paper you took your quote from is an anti-abortion electrical engineer.

[Kasabiian]

@goaded Again, what?

I'm sure you must have a point, I just don't see what it is or where you are making it.

[goaded]

Would you take a paper by a plumber that explained that Republicans were all racist seriously?

[Kasabiian]

@goaded Would you?

The source you posted to verfify your claim that "there's no significant findings of guilt and emotional distress due to abortions found in actual studies" is just a link to the Guttmacher Institute, a pro-abortion organization.

Hypocrite much?

[Kasabiian]

@goaded Also, you have shown no evidence at all from "actual studies".

[Kasabiian]

@goaded I have provided you with an article from The National Library of Medicine, the world's largest biomedical library, which contains the results of several "actual studies" from medical and psychological institutions such as the American Psychological Association, and even the pro-abortion institute, the National Abortion Federation.

They show your claim to be utterly false.

[goaded]

That is actually a fair point. I'll read the papers your guy wrote, if you'll read mine.

Let's see:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2134301
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2135377
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1363/4512213/full
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../full

... for you, and for me:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6207970/

[goaded]

OK, that was in response for the first of your three responses. As to the claim I've "shown no evidence", just click on one of the links!

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1363/4512213
"Compared with women who obtained a near-limit abortion, those denied the abortion felt more regret and anger (scoring, on average, 0.4–0.5 points higher on a 0–4 scale), and less relief and happiness (scoring 1.4 and 0.3 points lower, respectively). Among women who had obtained the abortion, the greater the extent to which they had planned the pregnancy or had difficulty deciding to seek abortion, the more likely they were to feel primarily negative emotions (odds ratios, 1.2 and 2.5, respectively). Most (95%) women who had obtained the abortion felt it was the right decision, as did 89% of those who expressed regret."

[007kingifrit]

a 10 year old having a baby would kill the 10 year old and the baby. so life is not a relevant factor in this case (also the story is fake) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0M0QWX1yfc

[goaded]

@00dick I can't read your nonsense because you blocked me.

[Kasabiian]

@goaded You added those links after I made that statement.
And even your own source contradicts your claim that "there's no significant findings of guilt and emotional distress due to abortions found in actual studies".

According to the table on page 153 of the first article, the reaction of 29% of women is stated as, "The experience still troubles me; I think about it often." Plus a further 9% come under, "The experience was upsetting; I don't like to think about it." And another 3% "It was a hard experience. I learned nothing." That's a total of 41% of women who suffered emotional distress, even according to your own pro-abortion source!

The second link presents one, single, cherry-picked study. And there are many other studies that condradict it. The article attempts to argue that negative psychological effects after abortion "appear to be related to other factors". That is an opinion contended by psychologists, but what is not in dispute is that, for whatever reason, such negative psychological effects frequently occur among women post-abortion.

As for the third link, siting "Women's Emotions One Week After Receiving or Being Denied an Abortion" is laughable. The first symptoms usually appear within two months up to a year from the procedure.

The fourth link is again a single study, the results of which are contradictory to that of other studies that have been conducted. Pro-abortion sites will cherry pick the studies that seem to support their notions and vice-versa. However, the artice says that the “The notion that abortion causes poor mental health has gained traction, even though it is not supported by research”.

This is patantly false. The reason it has gained traction is because it IS supported by research. The article is clearly showing it's bias and one-sided viewpoint by making such a statement. Any article that makes such dishonest claims can clearly not be trusted as a reliable source.

[Kasabiian]

@goaded The American Psychiatric Society (the main professional organization of psychiatrists in the US, and the largest psychiatric organization in the world) classifies two types of disorders concerning post-abortion distress.

PAD (post-abortion distress) and PAS (post-abortion syndrome).
PAD is defined as a disorder that involves experiencing strong post-abortion stress. It appears in the first three months after abortion and may persist for about a year. Its signs are experiencing a sense of loss or guilt, a feeling that life is pointless, sleep disorders and psychological pain. In terms of sex, it involves the fear of becoming pregnant again and fear of sexual intercourse. PAS instead is a chronic disorder that sometimes develops a long time after abortion or reappears periodically. It is characterized by the following symptoms: reliving the trauma (insomnia, nightmares, retrospection, anniversary reactions), use of defense mechanisms (repression, denial, rationalization), avoidance of places and situations which remind the individual about the event, excitation, chronic anxiety, a sense of threat, mood swings and outbursts of anger, sleep disorders, concentration problems), additional symptoms (depression, neurosis, obsessive- compulsive disorder, a sense of harm and injustice, a sense of shame and guilt, suicidal thoughts, lowered self-esteem, psychosomatic disorders, no interest in sex, addictions).
The most common symptoms are nightmares relating to abortion, repetitive persistent dreams, a
strong sense of guilt and the need to fix it.
jag. journalagent. com/ejm/pdfs/EJM_25_3_477_483. pdf

[Kasabiian]

@goaded So if you attempt to argue that women do not suffer guilt and emotional distress due to abortion, you will be arguing against the American Psychiatric Society who says they most certainly do.

[goaded]

"You added those links after I made that statement."
No, I didn't, the links were all at the link in the first response I made to your opinion, you just had to follow it.

Last things first:

Just because the APS recognises that something happens has no bearing on how often it happens. The question is: is it more or less common than postpartum depression (PPD)?

If you want to reduce mental stress after abortions, stop shaming women for getting them.
"Seven quantitative and seven qualitative studies were eligible for inclusion. All but two dated from 2009 or later; the earliest was from 1984. Studies were based mainly on U. S. samples; some included participants from Ghana, Great Britain, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, Peru and Zambia. The majority of studies showed that women who have had abortions experience fear of social judgment, self-judgment and a need for secrecy. Secrecy was associated with increased psychological distress and social isolation. Some studies found stigmatizing attitudes in the public. Stigma appeared to be salient in abortion providers' lives. Evidence of interventions to reduce abortion stigma was scarce. Most studies had limitations regarding generalizability and validity."
https://europepmc.org/article/MED/27037848

[goaded]

"And even your own source contradicts your claim that "there's no significant findings of guilt and emotional distress due to abortions found in actual studies"."
Actually, it was the claim made at the link. www.guttmacher.org/.../emotional-and-mental-health-after-abortion It was lazy of me, I admit, but the chances of coming across someone who will actually debate on the merits on here are vanishingly small.

The 41% figure is unfortunate, however there's no comparison to women who didn't have an abortion.

"The second link presents one, single, cherry-picked study."
No, the second link *is* a study. And this one included controls; they followed up on young women who took a pregnancy test and compared the three groups: not pregnant, had an abortion, had a baby. The first group were better off after two years, mentally, financially, and educationally.

This is a study, completed this year, that shows the impact of having to give birth to an unwanted child and the negative effect on both mother and child. (I've also seen a paper claiming that the study was flawed: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35783786/ - but that's written by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_K._Coleman - apparently not a reliable author).

www.ucsf.edu/.../ucsf-turnaway-study-shows-impact-abortion-access
"UCSF’s landmark Turnaway Study found that more than 95 percent of people who chose to have abortions reported that it was the right decision for them, when interviewed over the next five years. There was also no evidence of mental health problems among study participants following an abortion. However, those who were unable to have abortions because they were past the gestational limit suffered from adverse effects such as serious physical and mental health challenges, economic hardship, lack of support and insecurity."

[goaded]

*The MIDDLE group (who had an abortion) were better off after two years, mentally, financially, and educationally

[Brokenheartedx]

Horrendous and a possibly she will die during childbirth as her body is not developed enough for pushing a baby out unless they plan on a c section which also carries a risk more so a young kid.
If she dies during childbirth her family should sue the state she's born in for every penny
You can actually tell men had a say in this law.

[007kingifrit]

it's a fake story, no laws prevented her from getting the abortion in ohio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0M0QWX1yfc

[normalice]

It's what republicans have spent the last 4 decades fantasizing about: any man able to choose the mother of their child by stalking and raping them. It's sad how entirely far right disinformation has caused civility to fail these people but they aren't going to realize their mistake until after they have hurt a lot of people- assuming far right disinformation even tells them about it.

[JessieBellll]

This is actual rape, not your ideals

[normalice]

Your response is not related.

[JessieBellll]

It is since you don't know what rape is

[normalice]

You're talking Nonsense or Irrelevant.

[lightbulb27]

that's the problem with the restrictive laws, there's always exception cases. can't legistlate this morality, can't tell someone else what to do with their life. turns into a bunch of exception issues, if/then logic

they should back off the law in oh-io.

[007kingifrit]

the story is fake, her home state does allow abortions in this case

[lightbulb27]

@007kingifrit I did not... good grief...

[D_Bone_Steak]

So the story was proven to be real... sort of. She was 100% allowed to get an abortion in her own state, but it got politicized for political reasons. Don't eat up their bullshit. I don't care where you want to lean politically, that media is a full-powered lie machine on crack.

[hi_it_is_me123]

What media? I just read specific german articles who have a good rep.

[hi_it_is_me123]

This is is why it catches my attention

[hi_it_is_me123]

Explain to me how adult rape victims should get an abortion since rape is very difficult to prove and the one update is related to the other question which I delete. You also should not eat up their radical conservative bullshit. I forget about
Statutory rape.

[hi_it_is_me123]

If it is a fake, i am sorry for asking this question

[D_Bone_Steak]

It's not completely fake first of all, but it is a bit more complex than you'll read from staunch Liberal sources looking to push the pro-abortion narrative.

[D_Bone_Steak]

1) Most of these states still allow abortion for cases like rape. 2) The adults around her waiting until the 6 weeks rule for a normal abortion was waited through to make a political scene. They did that on purpose. You have to remember their goal is abortion at any time, not just within the first 6 to 9 weeks and their further goal is to have taxpayers pay for the abortions. Always keep their agendas in mind... it's the whole reason that SCOTUS kicked it back to the states to begin with and also why the democrats never codified it when they could have during Obomba and during Biden. It started getting pushed for taxpayers to pay for them and for abortions to be legalized and passed the 3rd trimester... even if the baby is already born. Not joking, so I understand why SCOTUS just finally kicked it out of it being their problem and back to the states. 3) It was an illegal immigrant from Mexico that did the rape... so it sort of brings up the issue of the immigration problem.

[D_Bone_Steak]

"Explain to me how adult rape victims should get an abortion since rape is very difficult to prove and the one update is related to the other question which I delete." I'll try to answer this and ignore your remark about eating up conservative news, because I don't my news from just conservative sources.
That question is hard to answer because of the way it was worded... Are you saying that an adult has an easier time to get an abortion than a 10 year old child that has adults around her trying to score political points? ... I mean you might be right about that! She didn't report the rape and didn't get a rape kit done which does make a lot of people question if it was rape-rape and not just statutory rape, which is considered rape by the law because of her age.

To sum up everything I said, the story is not fake, but it's a little more complicated than the liberal narrative that "abortion should be legal!" or that something more than what happened happened that for some reason becomes all about the Roe v Wade case being overturned. Like really keep it in mind she didn't have to go to another state to get the abortion because the circumstances justified the abortion. No... the whole going to another state stuff was done for political clout chasing. It's really kind of lame and makes me feel for the poor girl knowing that. It's not the 10 year old girl, it's the adults around her. Please don't call me anything like a conservative though or say that's where I get my information from... I am not conservative. I am not religious. I am actually pro-abortion. I'd call out the right wing trying to pull these narratives just the same. Just really deep fact-check these stories, especially the stories that get a bit too much hype than what is normal. Remember it spews out fake trash all the time... The Covington kid, hands up don't shoot, Jussie Smollett, Russian collusion etc. It's like once something gets proven as some bullshit they're onto something else.

[D_Bone_Steak]

In fact, I think you should stick to this story and follow up. Just watch where it goes 3 months from now. I'm serious. It's the stuff that disenfranchised a lot of people and still will in the future.

[hi_it_is_me123]

6 week is like one month. It is almost impossible to notice you are pregnant at this time. Have fun when you exes accuse you of rape to get abortion

[hi_it_is_me123]

Your exes***

[D_Bone_Steak]

She still already was aware of the pregnancy... so why was it so important to wait?

It makes more sense when you realize it was for political reasons.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Wow i did not you are pro choice. I still confused whether the story is fake or not since there no need for many evidences since pregnancy is enough evidence due to Statutory rape

[hi_it_is_me123]

I will read all your replies since you seem interesting

[hi_it_is_me123]

Seriously i hate many leftists for sucking at making good arguments even if they are right about a point.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Please... I don't want to come across as some right-winger with a bible in his hands. I just try to follow facts in a non-bias way.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Sorry for misunderstanding you

[D_Bone_Steak]

No problem, I'm used to it, and YES! Statutory rape makes the question of being allowed an abortion a non-issue. She was entitled to abortion even by that state's rules. That's not mentioned in most of the news articles (that make money off of these stories) at all. They don't mention it on purpose... It's about getting outrage clicks. It's how they make money.

I totally understand the entire idea pissing people off. I just wished people would really deep dive into the stories instead of just getting triggered though. Every time I just try to point out inconsistent details though... it seems to trigger people more. Like "Don't tell me I'm wrong about anything!" type stuff and I get called names. Is what it is... I just have to accept that part of it.

[D_Bone_Steak]

https://youtu.be/5sMMIqVjZUE

Keep following this story so you'll see what I was talking about... I would've DM you but I'm blocked. I'm digging further and further into the story and it's getting pretty weird. Also, can I have a link to your news source, so that I can dig into them?

[hi_it_is_me123]

You are not blocked, otherwise you can't even reply it under my question lol. I only allow my followers to dm me to avoid creeps

[hi_it_is_me123]

Wait i dm you

[Aerissa_Jade]

I think a dead pig should be surgically inserted into the rapist as punishment, see how he likes to carry about something for 9 months.

Punishment for rapists is not nearly severe enough, it needs to be a 1000 folder stronger than it is now... and damn any cruel and unusual punishment clauses, rapist gives a life long sentence and worse to the victim, better off they killed them.

In this case no way a 10 year can consent to it is obviously rape, no doubt about it.

[RasmusAiken]

The young child rape victim was able to get an abortion in a neighboring state. Rape needn't be proven since no 10 year old can give consent. Her cretin idiot mother allowed the rapist access to her daughter. This girl needs much TLC in a loving adoptive family. DNA will prove the identity of the sperm donor.

[Wade12345]

The fact a ten years old can get pregnant proves God thinks a 10 years old can give consent.

idiot.

[brownna529]

Abortion is still morally and legally wrong. She should have the child ask her parents to help her raise the child so she can focus on school and life after a traumatic experience. Abortion is and never will stop being wrong and the man who raped her just terrible. I don't know why men rape 10 year olds like that. It's so messed up.

[Subarugirl]

Morally? according to what morrals?

[John_Doesnt]

according to some make believe religion

[Subarugirl]

@John_Doesnt a lot of religions allow it. So Im just curious what morals she's talking about

[ZackBan]

This is reminding me of how a couple of years ago a news network pushing a specific political agenda would make a whole segment on some guy who hsd every illness known to man on his deathbed and they would say "it's because he didn't wear a mask and caught covid" it was BS then and this is some BS now I don't even need to see the full story to know that a pregnant 10 year old rape victim woulda gotten a legal abortion

[supercutebutt]

"Rape is also extremely difficult to prove except there is a camera."

Are you implying this 10 yo consented to sex with the 20-something man unless we have video evidence she didn't?

[hi_it_is_me123]

NO this update is on the false question. I mistake the questions. OMG i am so SORRY. Due to Statutory Rape her pregnancy is evidence. I was told that having wounds/semen (dna of the rapist) around privat parts are not enough to prove rape-i seriously dont know how to prove rape if you are 18+. A girl from the internet told me that she was told that she may have "hardcore sex" instead of being raped which is shocking. I am seriously hopeless

[D_Bone_Steak]

I agree with you Supercutebutt... a 10 year old legally cannot consent to sex. That's statutory rape. The guy should get charged for rape in my humble opinion, but it's looking like they're only going to deport him back to Mexico.

[John_Doesnt]

Republicans denied it happened and then denied they said anything. Now they're trying to shift the blame to illegal immigration.

This is the dark reality that conservatives have created for America, because of some stupid religious beliefs about a "soul".

[Wade12345]

The fact she got pregnant at 10 years old shows God intended the age of consent to be a lot younger than our present legal framework allows.

By the way, the guy who raped her, if it wasn't consent, should be hanged.

The Bible says if nobody heard her scream for help, then it was consent.

[KoolKita]

Christian here, just curious, where does the Bible say that in the last sentence? Also, people can absolutely be gagged or threatened to not make any noise or screams in situations.

[Wade12345]

@KoolKita Deuteronomy 22: 24 paraphrased.

If she don't yell for help, it's not rape, it's fornication and both are at fault.

If she does yell for help it's rape and the man is put to death.

[Po1989]

That doesn't say anything about nobody hearing it.

[Danzigdawson]

Who the fuck cares about what the bible has to say on the subject?

[John_Doesnt]

your make believe religion has no basis in reality.

[Wade12345]

@John_Doesnt

Sticking your fingers in your ears and making noises doesn't negate the TRUTH.

The Truth is a few hundred thousand years ago, the average life expectancy of humans was FIFTEEN YEARS. They were CREATED to reproduce by the time they were 7 to 10 years old.

before the invention of antibiotics and vaccines by Pasteur, the modern human life expectancy was 40 years, a nd they married at 14 years old. Read a history book, you lying devil.

The God who does exist didn't invent a law telling a woman she had to wait half her natural life to marry.

And God most certainly exists.

Atheism is your carnal fairy tale that you like to justify wrong-doing with, but one day you're going to face the real God and give answer, most especially when you mock God himself.

[Wade12345]

@Po1989

doesn't' matter what you think. Elsewhere int he Bible it tells you you're required to have two or THREE eye witnesses of the Rape to convict the rapist, and the woman's testimony doesn't count, because she could have enticed the man and falsely accused him.

[Po1989]

I didn't say anything about what I thought. Just pointing out it literally does not say that in what was quoted.

[John_Doesnt]

where is your messiah now?

[Wade12345]

@John_Doesnt

I don't believe in a messiah. I'm a Deist.

Messiah is a false prophet.

[John_Doesnt]

you don't believe in God? Then you're a false prophet

[Wade12345]

@John_Doesnt

You don't know what "Deist" means, do you?

Idiot.

[John_Doesnt]

you don't know what iridescent means

[Wade12345]

@John_Doesnt

Yes, actually, I do. It's like the rainbow colored film on some insects and which oil makes int he water.

[Danzigdawson]

@Wade12345 christian have been trying to shove the goddamn stupid bible down our throats for almost 2000 years. It's only been a few decades since most of us finally barfed it out. We're not going to stand for it again.

Fuck your stupid god up the ass, it doesn't exist. Just like all the gods from all the religions in history. You've got another thing coming if you think people will just let you life-sucking parasites make the bible rule politics ever again.

[Wade12345]

@Danzigdawson

"thou shalt not revile the gods"

lol.

I'm laughing at you, blasphemer. Your day is coming.

[Danzigdawson]

So what? If heaven is full of idiot christians, i'd rather go to hell. A place full of people like you is my vision of what hell is.

But since none of those two things exist... again: fuck that tantrum-prone, idiot bearded asshole. If women commit a "murder" every time they abort a foetus, men commit genocide every time they ejaculate, even if they do it to reproduce. Explain the millions of human beings you've killed before your god; for each spermatozoon contains a human soul, after all. And women who say abortion is a sin murder one child every month, as they have their period. There's no escaping it. No wonder why that asshole in the sky is so pissed all the time, like a 4 year old kid who can't control his emotions.