Huh…think America is more liberal than we think?

[OddBeMe]

Yes

No

Shut up libtard

[Anonymous]

I think the country actually leans left of center though to be fair it's not just a liberal/democrat issue. There are also a fair number of republicans that are prochoice, their voices often get drowned out by the far-right radicals or they just don't speak up at all. I'm a left of center moderate myself and I pretty much vote democtrat but I would consider voting for a moderate prochoice republican. I think for so long our legislators have seen this is a right and left issue, and yet for many people it usually is a personal, moral or religious issue but they will vote for the candidate that meets with their ideology if it's an issue of great importance, which for many of us women (and others) it is.

I look forward to reading the comments on this, I wonder if those who previously advocated for the issue to be a "states rights" issue will be supportive of this ammendment that the "people" of Kansas have decided. I also wonder how many downvotes I'll get for pointing that out, lol.

[OddBeMe]

That is a giant cognitive dissonance for Repubs. States rights! Except on abortion and contraception.

[Curmudgeon]

"It's the process, stupid", to paraphrase what advisors told Bill Clinton while campaigning in 1992.

I dare say that had the "Second Wave" feminists of the 1960s and early 1970's taken that state-by-state legalization and/or liberalization route, rather than find some enlightened despot in black robes judge to magically read a right into the Constitution that really *just isn't there*, this might be long since settled law of the land already. That is how the 9th and 10th Amendments work, that is how Women's Suffrage was done, and that is how the late Justice Ginsburg herself acknowledged it should have been done. Now you might say it *should* be a Right, and many might agree, see Kansas, but it isn't spelled out in the Constitution at all. Perhaps it is Time to do that once and for all.

As @Stoner710 pointed out, the Euros don't have these fights anymore, because they *did* hash it out legislatively, and the Euros that you Left leaning people consider so enlightened and progressive - actually have a narrower time frame of choice than the Roe decision imposed, see map as of fall 2021.

[SaoirseS]

The right was added to our state Constitution in 2019.

[Curmudgeon]

@SaoirseS And GOOD! That is how it should be done. Justice Thomas himself, author of the Dobbs vs. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision, overturning Roe vs. Wade, observed that if a state remained abortion on demand, a la Roe vs. Wade, that would be perfectly Constitutionally fine with him. The 9th and 10th Amendments do in fact mean what they say and say what they mean.

[goaded]

"This calculation looks only at "on request/demand" abortions. This does not include abortions due to mother's life risk, mother's health risk, rape, fetal impairment, or economic/social reasons."
Also, for some strange reason, it's from from 2021. It's almost as it you're complaining about too much freedom to choose. (And just because something is legal doesn't mean it happens. There won't be many doctors willing to perform unnecessary abortions, any more than doctors willing to amputate healthy feet.)

[Miristheiss]

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Abortion is just going back to the states. Each state can pass its own regulations on it... strict ones or lax ones. Getting rid of Roe/Wade only means the Federal Government can't mandate a sweeping decision over the 50 state's wills. It states there is nothing in the founding documents of the country making it a "right" to have this procedure. Roe/Wade was an overreach and that each state should get to decide this.

It doesn't mean any of the 50 states have to do anything but each state can have more freedom to regulate this now. Each state's regulations can vary based on the values of the peoples that live in that state.

[SaoirseS]

I got out in the heat to vote today. I’m glad I did. Not surprised at the outcome, but didn’t expect it to get defeated by such a large margin.
Great job, fellow Kansans!

[Still-alive]

America thanks you!

[SaoirseS]

👍👍👍👍

[OddBeMe]

@Still-alive here here

[Anonymous]

Kansas just said FUCK YOU to regressive misogynistic Christofascist, talibangelical anti-choice, anti-freedom authoritarianism.

Nice work, Kansas.

[Agagagagaga]

Lol wow you really believe the bullshit that gets pushed your way don’t you 😂 You eat it up with a spoon! 🤣 The only thing you didn’t call them was “White” 😂

[OddBeMe]

@Agagagagaga when liberals get off their ass, they learn theyre the majority in this country. So go back to russia!

[Curmudgeon]

@OddBeMe Wow, the projections among you Demunist Commiecrats are just jumbotron

[Goforit1010]

In truth, I think Kansans looked at the bigger picture. If... IF the legislature was allowed to change what the state Constitution says, that would open the doors to changing other Ammendments within their Constitution too.

It's better to make changes to the Constitution itself first, rather than allow the legislature to make laws that actually violate their Constitution. It would have become a legal NIGHTMARE to deal with.

I honestly don't believe the majority of Kansans want abortion, more specifically want it the way it is in NY or CA - on demand and up to and including 48hrs AFTER the birth. Personally, I believe Kansans want restrictions on it, the way many states already have.

[Stoner710]

OK so explain to me why there’s only seven countries in the world that have abortion above 20 weeks?

Margaret Sanger opened up Planned Parenthood in order so that Black people would abort their children. I don’t know about you but I want black kids to be born.

The history of the Democrat party is rooted and racism if you want to get rid of institutional racism you would get rid of the Democrat party itself

[OddBeMe]

Wow your arguments are based on 200 year old beliefs? Seriously?

[Stoner710]

It’s not a 200 year old argument. Planned parenthood at formed in 1916. Also the democrats party is rooted in racism is the democratic parties cornerstone

[Chazmatazz269]

Nah. The nation is more moderate than we might think. Zealots and radicals are a minority. The media just makes it feel like they’re more than that. Banning abortion is a radical ideal. It’s a far too complex and nuanced conversation to be concluded with a black and white answer for every case. Reasonable people know that and we outnumber the idiot radicals. This was bound to happen. It’s not a surprise at all.

[Fa1con]

Most of the polls I have seen on the last 10 years show that most Americans believe abortion should be an option, but most of them also believe there should be some varying degree of restrictions placed on them.

[OddBeMe]

Sure. There’s degrees of regulation on everything though. And you have to go by stats. 99% of abortions are in the first trimester.

Like voting rights. Show us the fraud before making tougher to vote.

[Agagagagaga]

The fraud was demonstrated. Unfortunately it’s never big enough for you Lefties.

Unless you’re screeching about made up Russian collusion.

Then you break out the FBI and NSA. 👍

[normalice]

It is weird if each Democratic goal was put on the ballot each would get like 60% of the vote. But for some reason the party only gets around 50%. Far right fake news has made the brand toxic because they know no one is stupid enough to vote Republican based on merit...

[OddBeMe]

And it works for the right.

[Cherry234]

I'm glad Kansans are on the right side of history. Hopefully abortion turns out to be protected there.

[FilmGuy93]

Yup... One of the biggest reasons that I stopped being such a diehard liberal is that I realized that most of the complaints liberals have about the country simply don't reflect reality; they misassign blame. The gender wage gap, rape culture, racism in policing; the problem is not that there aren't discrepancies, the problem is that the causes are not an apparent systemic bias.

[OddBeMe]

What would they be if not systemic bias?

[FilmGuy93]

In my experience, it usually boils down to basic questions of economic incentives. An unfortunate reality of the world is that people tend to live and make decisions in a way that causes them to stay at the economic level/social strata they're at. A poor person made and tends to make decisions that keep them poor and that's true of any number of other inequities. Women tend to get paid less because they work fewer years and don't work the same types of jobs men do. White people are far more likely to get killed by cops than black people are, but we care more when black people get killed because a higher percentage of blacks are engaged in violent crime than whites. The list goes on and on.

When people have an incentive to behave a certain way, they will. You can't make the assumption that people want to help themselves; it's a fundamental belief of liberalism that I simply haven't found to be true.

The exploited populations and governmental structures in our society are often behaving in a way that make changing the economic structure extremely difficult. One of the few things that Trump did that I actually really agreed with was a financial plan to use federal grant money to invest in inner city small businesses. The program was generally effective, but the people within an impoverished community have to want to make that change for themselves.

[888theGreat]

The country is moderate and conservative , most of politicians , judges , and CEO;s are liberals and socialists. They make the rules.

The reason Abortion measure failed to be removed was over confusion with the question. Also liberals lied about it in commercials. So, people were duped into keeping it in state constitution.

It is also one state , 30 states will make it illegal. My state will make it illegal.

[Blueeyes81]

I'm just glad I won't have to hear the radio adds anymore. I was hearing 20 adds an hour from the vote yes side. "Vote Yes if you don't want Kansas to become an abortion vacation state." Now we can get back to the corney local adds.

[SaoirseS]

I’m with you there. Not to mention the TV ads - and the signs every freaking where.

[Still-alive]

im just glad you guys didn't fall for that stuff. Make all those folks who wasted money on those ads look very foolish lol

[SaoirseS]

It wasn't that apparent when out and about (except for signs everywhere), but on the net it was like Bleeding Kansas in the 1850s and the battle over whether it would become a free or slave state. We had border ruffians from Missouri (a state that went on a legislative feeding frenzy after the Dobbs decision) crossing the river to campaign. The same interlopers were placing signs on business properties (including mine). I removed a lot of "vote yes" signs and threw them in the dumpster. Then yesterday, a GOP-backed tech campaign started texting misinformation to phones trying to confuse voters and trick them into voting "yes."
www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[RedThread]

When it comes to western countries as a whole no it isn't.

But yeah that news straight out of the Bible Belt was surprising to hear. Kansas is the last place I expected the people to vote down abortion restrictions.

[RedThread]

I think more red states should put it up to a vote for an amendment. I think they'd be surprised by the results. Around 2/3 of the country disagree with the overturning of Roe v. Wade. But hey if they're all about state's rights they should want the voices of the people of their states heard, right? Put it all up to a vote.

I truly believe our leaders on both sides of the aisle are more conservative than their voters purely based on things like a gap in age. The younger generation tends to be more 'progressive' than political leaders think.

[Cherry234]

@RedThread It's a very good thing that about 2/3 of the country disagrees with the overturn. Fuck the other 1/3 though. This gives me hope.

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[WindAtMyBack]

It's not more liberal than I think. I know it's one of the most liberal countries in the world.

[Juxtapose]

Good, they're sticking to enlightenment age principles of individual freedom. That's what this country needs!

[OddBeMe]

I think you’re bipolar.

[Juxtapose]

I keep telling you guys I'm a classical liberal, not a modern day progressive.

[Danzigdawson]

That's a good thing.

[msc545]

Difficult to understand this result.