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Well, of course they don't want the only president in the history of the country to not oversee a peaceful transition of power to their duly elected successor to run for president again. No American should.
Also, had Trump been cooperating with the investigation, as some liars might claim, there wouldn't have been any classified documents still to seize 18 months after he was voted out of office, would there?
By the way, who was it brought the news of this search to the public's attention? It was not the DoJ, was it? People claiming that there was a "flamboyant" exercise of power are simply lying, the reaction to a the exercise of a simple search warrant (signed by a Trump-appointed judge, by the way) would have been unremarkable, unless Trump decided to make it so.
If Trump had wanted to remain in power all he would have had to do is appoint loyal military officers in the military and come up with an excuse a sizeable fraction of the country would buy.
This is a trivial matter, as presidents and even top generals thou out history and around the world have done for thousands of years.
Hence why you don't give presidents any sound reason NOT to do this. Trump didn't even go after Hilary Clinton a former secretary of state, dispute campaigning on the issue. Because in reality you need to stay very far away from this this threat if you want to insure all future administrations do not have a compelling personal reason to not step down.
This why what the FBI did was crossing a very important Rubicon with this act.
Nobody is going to care whatever documents Trump failed to return, when any morally flexible (as most of them are) future president fails to step down peacefully for fear for himself and his families safety.
@monorprise It's educational to see how little faith you have in the constitution. It's the constitution that elected officials and the military swear allegiance to, not the current president. Ordering a military coup is an illegal order, and the military should ignore it.
The bar to being investigated after leaving office is extremely high, all you have to do is not attempt a coup to stay in power when you lose the election and not steal top secret documents from the government and refuse to return them. Every other US president in history has managed that, and not investigating the one that did would be encouragement for the next demagogue to try it in the future.
Trump didn't go after Hilary Clinton because she hadn't done anything worth arresting her for, and Trump has always known that. Trump on the other had has clearly broken many laws. Even so, he'll get a fair trial and not be under any threat (unlike members of the FBI that Trump's painted a target on their backs with his lies).
Well…. they didn’t get him with the Russia probe or the 2 impeachments or Jan 6th hearings, so….5th times a charm?
Love him or hate him you have to admit no one has gone after a president this way before.
It’s a political witch hunt.
I think: These must be very small boxes - or a quite large safe :)
I thought: that it's obvious that ''the left'' is not fond of the guy :)
I had thought: that people are smart enough to NOT keep sensitive information in their own house.
I will think more: once more clear information is -or is not- available.
If they can't prove a valid reason for unlawful search and seizure, then they just handed him a re-election on a Silver Platter (Trump, specifically, not any Republican).
I'm extremely happy cause this is just one more ingridient on the receipe that's gonna impeach Joe Biden and allow the Republicans to take back the house this November!
by the way this also reveals how much of a hypocrite leftists are. I mean isn't ironic how the party that loves to delete and censore evidence has decided to send the FBI to Trump's home all because he was supposedly hiding records?
This is what happens when law agents starts to work under politicians authority, the FBI is an organization who have to work for the country's best and not for political agendas!
If Trump wasn't a real man than he wouldn't have been attacked like this...
If the U. S wants to keep it's position in the world than only Trump or men like him are the ones to for this duty...
Trump made the US a laughing stock.
@Echosoul trump or joey biden 😂
@Echosoul under trump gas prices were at an all time low and America was strong. Biden has made the US look completely weak.
@Lookingforthetruth gas prices aren't controlled by the president. Trump's whining every time anyone criticised him made him look pathetic. "The fake news" etc. He makes America seem weak and paranoid (about immigrants).
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Honestly it's been kind of weird how much the deep state, media and left hate him. Probably just another fruitless fishing expedition.
I do however suspect that he's been dead since January, and there just using deepfakes and body doubles to use him as a focal point for the daily hate.
Plus he's getting damn old. Let someone who's going to live another thirty years be prez FFS.
Actually, Trump has been on the edge of illegal his entire life. This is nothing new. He knows that he'll never go to jail and can litigate for decades. He has nothing to loose. Actually, he has a lot to gain. His toads think he's a victim. For them, it's confirmation and free publicity. He manipulates the story with lies that boost his popularity with the unthinking masses. Luckily, he's old and unhealthy.
Seeing that the FBI are democrats lap dogs and have been found in the past to be completely corrupt, I won't be surprise if they plant evidence to try and get trump convicted. After all, they are approaching their 2 year mark with Joe Biden looking to be the worse president in the history of the US.
Psssssh, Totally lap dogs, right?
You mean the FBI director that Trump appointed? How about the judge who signed the warrant, he was also appointed by TFG
@Dazed0N0Confused I was totally being sarcastic. I am not a conspiracy theorists so I will assume you are not talking to me.
@DaveJord oh no, not you lol
😂🤣😂 he should've complied with the National Archives request for the documents he stole back! This could have all been avoided had he followed the law.
Just another Monday. They've been coming at him non stop since 2016. It's kind of lost any impact at this point. Smells like desperation to me. I could be wrong though.
It really doesn't matter what they find be it political dirt or the criminal dirt they claim to be looking for.
In the end all that will really matter is the deterring of presidents cooperating with a peaceful transfer of power this precedent sets.
There is a Reason even in impeachment the punishment cannot extend beyond removal from office. To do otherwise would make current leaders fear for their safety from future leaders and refuse to step down peacefully.
Such has happened quite a few times in history, the practical means to fight it ext with the power to hand pick officials in every major office of power loyal to you.
Our republic to a large degree does indeed depend upon existing leaders being willing to step down. Its going to be a lot harder to convince them to do that going forward knowing the guy who just ran an ugly political campaign against him will have this kind of power over him.
the fbi had evidence that’s how they got a warrant
@JohnK123 Whether they had "evidence" or not hardly matters compared to what will happen to this country as a result of what they have done.
There is a good reason this has never been done before, and not even for impeachment does the punishment of a president extend any further than removal from office.
Who ever gave such orders has really crossed a very important line. Its no longer reasonable to assume our republic endure long term after this.
Well... he DOES claim New Jersey as a tax haven for himself and had his 1st ex-wife buried on his golf course, so the land IS a cemetery, BUT if they find even ONE shred of evidence, like White House stationery (which can be considered "theft of government property" if it leaves the White House), all the money in the world can't save him from seeing the inside of a jail cell and his land being forfeited to the government.
He was told months ago to return the boxes of classified papers and warned him of not securing the room they were in if we did that, we would have been arrested If you want to make America great make it by having files secure too former presidents have security briefings just as if they were in office still so securing stuff is vital
But Killary gets a pass? It’s this hypocrisy that makes it difficult for me to take sufferers of trump derangement syndrome seriously.
@Sixgunsound she wasn't president that's the difference
If the issue is supposedly hiding documents when asked for them by the government, they allegedly both did the same thing, but one is not being held accountable because of ‘reasons’. Those reasons are the leftist hypocritical double standards to which I refer. Both were in office when the alleged events occurred.
They are taking my questions about it. They used a false excuse to look for other things to make it look like he planned jan 6th protest. He clearly said don't get into trouble and be peaceful. They will probably doctor papers to make it look like he told them to kill and take Capital over.
This was a huge mistake. There was no probable cause that Trump had these records. That makes this an illegal search and seizure. This also handed Trump valuable ammunition for a 2024 Presidential run. This was a huge political mistake for Democrats.
"There was no probable cause that Trump had these records. That makes this an illegal search and seizure."
Lies.
@supercutebutt Every President in history has retained records. They have crossed a very important Rubicon with such an extreme act.
There is no record in existence that is worth so endangering the republic forever like this.
It it really? I think most people don't give a shit... you either like him or you don't other than that it changes nothing. Its all for the media just o get people stirred up.
Looks like Garland is in a fishing expedition. Real banana republic stuff here.
Do you really think they are interested in anything illegal rather than information politically useful to them?
The real problem with this precedent and power its going to be more difficult to convince future presidents to step down peacefully. So the Federal Constitutional republic is almost certainly on its way out waiting for a president afraid of his successor, unless we somehow totally abolish this capability.
@monorprise The US code is extremely complex. If they find even the smallest technicality the DOJ can launch a multi-count indictment (common practice) and for sure ruin any election prospects even if there is not much there.
And yes, the constitution is out, at least with this ruling elite.
@RealMarek Your right that the 'federal laws/interpretations' are such that anyone and everyone is guilty. Such that all of us commit around 3 federal offenses a day. Its not a question of them finding an infraction its a question of them choosing whether or not they want an infraction.
Thus far they suggested a rather silly explication implying he took 'classified' materials.
As if it were even possible for a president with ultimate declassification ability to illegally retain any classified material.
But this is still a minor issue compared to what is going to happen to America as a result of this precedent of new Administrations legally persecuting former Administrations and political rivals.
This practice will eventually and inevitability end the peacefully transfer of power that is key to democracy.
@monorprise I agree completely. If we look at the presidency, we see that significant parts of the opposition claim the president is illegitimate ever since Bush the Younger. This was amped up to 11 with the election of Trump. Now Garland is crossing the Rubicon into third-world behavior. We still have elections, but if we continue in this direction our elections will be as meaningful as the USSR’s: simply an opportunity to register one’s loyalty to the elite.
Meanwhile 106,000 people have died of fentanyl overdoses and no one in Epstein’s pedo ring has been named.
There is too much info missing on the matter to really know anything most pick not to even talk or reveal anything
Overall I do think its likely politcal mostly but time will tell
I'm thinking it's likely they will find evidence that he illegally removed records from the White House at the end of his term, as Trump believes he is above the law.
It really doesn't matter what they 'find' democrats will have acquired access to all the legal political plans of their enemies.
The biggest problem by far is the precedent of his power will eventually be enough to convince a future president to avoid stepping down at all for fear of what a successor might do to him.
As happens in many other countries, we will eventually end up with a dictatorship, or a civil war to remove them at a minimum.
There is a reason even the impeachment clause of the Constitution doesn't allow congress to do anything more than remove from office.
@monorprise Democrats? Do you imagine that the FBI is entirely composed of Democratic voters? Probably most of the agents have been there since the last Bush administration.
@slatyb To abuse an agency's power you need not entirely run its ranks but merely exist in such numbers within its ranks as to be allowed to do what you want without effective opposition.
Democrats do not fill the ranks of the FBI, mostly just many parts of its leadership in Washington D. C. where they exist in such numbers as to get away with almost whatever they want.
The largely unaccountable Nature of all Federal agencies makes this a rather easy thing to do, given there is almost no chance our abusive acts will be both:
1: Noticed by enough people to bring to matter politically to its leaders.
2: Acted on as an election issue over every other issue the same politicians are responsible for.
@monorprise a judge signed the search warrant. Do we know who, and who appointed him?
@slatyb As it really doesn't make much of a difference at that level, I dont see any reason to care.
There are soo many Federal judges needing regular replacement it is basically impossible for the electoral accountable leaders to pay much attention to whom they are in addition to doing everything else they have task themselfs with doing. So almost no effort goes into any but those on the highest courts.
The same is true of pretty much every federal agency hence why they are so effectively unaccountable and the Federal Government is largely governed by an UN-elected Washington D. C. elite.
There are however currently 1,770 Federal judgeships of those about 870 are what they call "Article 3 judges".