Breaking News! FBI raided Trump's house in Florida and cracked open his safe, took 15 boxes What are your thoughts?

[sage2021]

Trump believes the far-left don't want him to run for President again in 2024. This is a historical moment in USA 🇺🇸 history.

[SolitarySolace]

Once a republican becomes president in 24, there will be raids against Hillary, Harris, Biden, Obama, etc

[hahahmm]

Yes, and that's totally fair but it's just another sign that the U. S. is collapsing. Not going to be the "United States" for much longer.

[JohnK123]

@hahahmm I won’t mind for the Floridians and Texans and Alabamans to leave

[hahahmm]

@JohnK123 Yeah, you say that but what would happen is that liberals would continue to make blue states paradise for criminals and businesses and tax paying citizens would flock to red states. Exactly as you see with immigration to Florida and Texas now. Blue states would be come 2nd world cess pools over time.

[JohnK123]

@hahahmm well I’d rather get shot by a kgb Russian member than a Florida redneck or karen

[Lookingforthetruth]

@hahahmm What happens is this.

Blue voters make their states into cespools and then when it goes to 3rd word nation move on over to red states. They then vote for the same policies thinking this time it will be different and turn those states into cespools.

Democrats are literally like cancer cells to the entire united states.

[hahahmm]

@Lookingforthetruth True but more people are realizing this so when the US as we know it collapses, a lot of people will find out they need to migrate back to where they came from or get with the program in my opinion.

[supercutebutt]

@Lookingforthetruth Will you move to Russia?

[RealMarek]

@supercutebutt believe it or not, Russia has many more people trying to enter it than they allow in.

[hahahmm]

@JohnK123 Then go to Russia and volunteer to join their army right now. The KGB/FSB will shoot you when you change your mind.

[hahahmm]

@RealMarek Idiots going to Russia. Even Putin sends his favorite people (family) to live in other countries. Think about it.

[Lookingforthetruth]

@SolitarySolace You realise that the democrats control the voting process and determine who they elect right?

[slatyb]

@Lookingforthetruth If the Democrats controlled the process they would have a majority in the Senate. States that went for Biden elected or re-elected Republicans to other offices. Trump lost bigly.

[slatyb]

There won't be unless a Republican President is able to turn the FBI into the Gestapo and replace all the military leadership with his minions. That's going to be difficult because the military is mostly not appointed.

[Lookingforthetruth]

@slatyb Democrats and republicans are often two sides of the same coin. Democrats are fine with "Republicans" that are often luke warm version of themselves holding office and having majority in senate.

And democrats and republicans are currently even when it comes to the senate currently.

The Senate is currently composed of 50 Republicans, 48 Democrats, and 2 independents, both of whom caucus with the Democrats.[1]

The current leaders are Senators Chuck Schumer (D) of New York and Mitch McConnell (R) of Kentucky.[2] The current assistant leaders, or whips, are Senators Dick Durbin (D) of Illinois and John Thune (R) of South Dakota.

[RealMarek]

@hahahmm I’m not passing judgment, I’m just citing a fact. And as dedollarization accelerates, life will get more difficult in the West. We could suffer the sort of brain drain that we have encouraged in other countries by allowing massive migration here.

[hahahmm]

@RealMarek Ever hear of "the reset"? Many believe it wouldn't be a bad thing. Just like when a drug addict has to hit rock bottom before they really seek to fix themselves.

[loveslongnails]

@hahahmm Florida and Texas are already cesspools, and they're only getting worse.

[loveslongnails]

@Lookingforthetruth "Democrats are literally like cancer cells to the entire united states."
Please stop misusing the word "literally". When trying to make a point, misusing it makes you sound even less intelligent than you already might be.

This may come as a shock to you, but "they" often think the same of the right wing. THAT is precisely why nothing gets done in government unless one side is control. Unfortunately, when the Repubs are in control, the only things that get "done" are things that benefit the wealthiest Americans. Also unfortunately, when the Dems are in control, they lose sight of what really NEEDS to get fixed too, as much of the time, they're fending off Republican mis/disinformation.

Basically, the two-party system is a pathetic failure at this point.

[RealMarek]

@hahahmm by “the reset” do you mean the Klaus Schwab plan (the Great Reset)? It would be a nightmare for most people.

[hahahmm]

@loveslongnails Overall nope. Florida & Texas are great however there are 1-2 cities in each state that are blue cess pools. Orlando, Austin, parts of Miami.

[hahahmm]

@RealMarek From what I've heard that's bad but no there's a more general reset people talk about which has to do with societal collapse/massive disaster which forces society to go back to traditional values because those values are not optional in that world. They're necessary for survival.

[Sabretooth]

@hahahmm dude... Republicans want to free traitors.

[hahahmm]

@Sabretooth When the Roman Empire was about to collapse I'm sure there were people running around arguing about party politics. But at the end of the day, within the next 10 years you & everybody you know will have much bigger problems. Mark my words.

[Danny_dan92]

@Sabretooth

Democrats want to free arms dealers for terrorists for basketball players who have stated they hate this country and don’t stand for the national anthem

Fucken idiot

[Sabretooth]

@Danny_dan92 I don't stand for it either. besides, Republicans have shown themselves to be very unpatriotic lately... what with their attacks on law enforcement like this new one: www.rollingstone.com/.../

[RealMarek]

@hahahmm yes, I believe that sort of reset is a natural part of a culture’s cycle of growth and decline. Sometimes there is a complete collapse, as with Greco-Roman culture. The West seems to be headed in that direction. Whether or not there is a collapse, the remnants of a culture that has run its course revert to traditional ways of living until a neighboring culture imposes itself on them or a new culture rises among them.

[nawtee_me]

You have to have probable cause and the FBI had none. They broke Trumps 4th Amendment rights...

[normalice]

Trump has a full copy of the warrant and a detailed list of what they confiscated. Why won't he share that information with the public?

[Danny_dan92]

Because that’s none of your business do you not know what classified documents mean?

[normalice]

So you admit he stole classified documents?

In fact I don't actually care about the search warrant. But every bad faith Republican trying to be the next leader of Trump's cult is screeching for the DOJ to give then answers when Trump, himself, holds all the answers they are looking for in the copy of the search warrant they were legally obligated to give him. Why aren't these Republican phonies demanding Trump show them the answers they seek if they want them instead of are just wanting to put on a show of demanding them?

Because they want to put on a show of demanding them.. 😅

[Danny_dan92]

The President is going to have documents that are classified information. He works with all the top generals of all our branches of military.

Like having a copy of a form from a job that you sign this is no different.

And maybe trump isn’t disclosing this BECAUSE those documents are classified. The country isn’t supposed to know that, because from a military standpoint it could end up giving away very crucial information that enemy countries would take advantage of

[normalice]

He is not president. Both the letter and the spirit of the law is extremely clear about former president stealing classified information. Especially when he was repeatedly ordered to return them. Whoever told you otherwise was lying to you and I'd want to hang them for it if it were me. It's not like the cure for cancer is going to be trapped in the mind of a cult leader, yknow?

Anyway, the contents of the search warrant in Trump's possession would not be classified, as he doesn't have security clearance, since he is not president. Releasing it would answer all the question bad faith Republican phonies are pretending to have. So why not just ask him? The answer is because they dont want an asnwer. They just want to make you mad with the question, because they know no one is stupid enough to vote Republican based on merit..

[captain_voidwalker]

You watch to much far left propaganda, trump took what at the time were declassified documents, the biden admin then later reclassified them and instead of bieng mature and just asking for them back, instead were have converted the FBI into the gestapo

[normalice]

Whoever told you that disinformation lied to you and you should be mad at them.

But even if it wasn't a lie the documents were demanded back in June and Trump only handed over half of them.

Anyway, none of this changes the fact that the contents of the search warrant are in Trump's possession and so all the worthless republicans pretending to be mad about demanding an explanation need only to ask Trump, which they are not doing.

[Danny_dan92]

Lol yeah totally bro. Cause no previous Presidents have access and copies to sensitive documents that aren’t supposed to be shared openly with the public

[captain_voidwalker]

Well its the truth but you won't belive it because you only listen to far left propaganda

[normalice]

Yeah, that's what the far right fake news brainwashes its simps with but in real life the simple fact is if the contents of the search warrant were advantageous to Trump he would release it to the public.

[captain_voidwalker]

That's a typical excuse from a zombie who only takes information from far left propaganda

[Danny_dan92]

You call him a simp for watching conservative media but what does that make you when all you watch is CNN?

Look in the mirror dumb fuck

[normalice]

Did the far right fake news successfully brainwash absolutely everyone on the right into believing everyone who disagrees with them watches CNN? You know CNN is just Fox News for women, right? That's probably why the right dumps on it so much: because they don't want you watching it instead of Fox. And that's a real risk since they both have the same narrative half the time.

Bit that's just a curiosity. I don't actually care how you were brainwashed when I already know why. You are all well aware trump would release the contents of the warrant if the information it contained benefited him in any way. But you don't actually care that he is guilty. The problem, to you, is that a white Christian man who promised to hate the same people you hate is being held accountable for his crimes. That's what bothers you.

[captain_voidwalker]

Hah fox is rightwing, you truly do live in a extream leftwing bubble. Keep getting that information of Twitter and fakebook.

[normalice]

No, fox is far right. But it is true: how does one measure the magnitude of a lie? If it is right wing at all it is far right. To make a distinction between far right and right is to as "how much detachment from reality is acceptable?" Which is a silly question.

[normalice]

But again, Trump alone could settle the whole argument by releasing the warrant. Have you been told to think why he won't yet? No? Is that why you keep ignoring that fact?

[captain_voidwalker]

Wrong, if trump publicly tells anyone whats in the warrant that could be considered interfering with a gestapo investigation.

[normalice]

Whoever told you to think that lied to you and you should be mad at them.

[captain_voidwalker]

You mean the US. Legal code. Your eight i am mad at them for having a double standard kn enforcement. You would know that if you ever left the far left extremist bubble you live in

[normalice]

Whoever told you it was us legal code lied to you and you should be mad at them. The investigators can't share that information. The target of the investigation can say or show whatever the hell he wants.

[captain_voidwalker]

Wrong, of he shares that information with anyone outside his legal counsel it can be construed as an attempt to foment violence against the investigators.
Again get outside your far leftist bubble

[Danny_dan92]

@captain_voidwalker

Just let it go bro, no point arguing with a sheep. The wolves will get him one day

[captain_voidwalker]

Ohh I know but it's fun to see how many times I can get him to say "far right fake news" since he can't form a rational argument.

[Danny_dan92]

Crazy cause CNN has literally been caught fabricating fake bs.

For example the Joe Rogan scandal

[captain_voidwalker]

Lol yeah but according to him CNN is far right fake news. Makes me wonder what insane leftist rag he gets his info from

[Danny_dan92]

In short. He’s a dumb fuck

[normalice]

It can't be construed as an attempt to be foment violence. That's stupid. But even pretending it could, it's even stupider to think that would stop him from doing so, if it was advantageous to him.

[captain_voidwalker]

Or and ill just throw this out there maybe trumps not the tyrant you think he is.

[normalice]

And yet, the fact that he aspires to be seems to be why people like you are so cultishly loyal to him. He could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and get New York city nuked by the Saudis and not lose your support..

[Echosoul]

@captain_voidwalker They made the request last year.
edition.cnn.com/.../index.html

"In addition, it sets requirements for issuing warrants: warrants must be issued by a judge or magistrate," it was

"justified by probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and must particularly describe the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized." possession of documents that were required to be returned.

[captain_voidwalker]

Yeah because there certainly aren't activist judges. Ohh wait the judge who signed off on this warrant was a major donor to Obama and by proxy his VP Joe biden. Sounds like conflict of interest to me.

[normalice]

Even if that were a little bit true you cultists have no problem when your own judges do something blatantly hyperpartisan. Show rabid opposition to your judges doing it in order to prove it is something that objectively bothers you. Otherwise you're just cherrypicking percieved wrongdoings to maintain a perception instead of an understanding of the facts, like all cultists do. The cult motto of standards for thee but not for me, eh?

[nightdrot]

Although there is much that as of yet remains unknown, superficially this appears to have been what the FBI declared it to be, i. e, the search for documents that were classified but that Mr. Trump kept in his personal possession upon leaving office. Strictly speaking, as the Mr. Trump had the authority to declare documents classified or not until 12 noon EST, January 20, 2021, this would not necessarily have been illegal.

However, if some of the document's status has not been affirmed as non-classified by the time Mr. Trump left office, it is not impossible that President Biden could have declared them to be so. Further, Mr. Trump had already handed over 15 boxes to the National Archives at the request of that body. Thus it would appear that the former President had already been cooperating with the government at the time of the raid.

That being the case, the FBI raid was, at the least, of dubious necessity. Further, its' timing - interestingly coinciding with the anniversary of Richard Nixon's resignation from the Presidency in 1974 - looks decidedly pointed and political. The message being further emphasized by the White House announcing that President Biden (nor Vice-President Harris) had been given advanced notice of the raid. The law that such raid had to be approved by the Director of the FBI and the Attorney General with the approval of a warrant by the court of jurisdiction. Thus the President (and VP) could claim plausible deniability which, in context must be viewed as all too convenient.

Finally, given that former President Trump had cooperated with previous requests from the National Archives, and given that normally a subpoena would first be issued, the situation looks, at a minimum, to have been designed to draw maximum attention to the event. Of course, the reasons for this can only be speculated on, but in recent years, the FBI - and the Department of Justice generally - have come to appear to be an entity unto themselves with a decided bias against Mr. Trump at the very least, and possibly for the Democrats generally. (All of this I say as no fan of Mr. Trump, though I am a Republican.)

See also the blatant cover-up of Hunter Biden's nefarious business dealings (particularly with China) as well as his consorting with prostitutes and use of illegal drugs. See also the FBI's denial that the lap top computer that revealed these dealings was real. See also the failure of the DOJ to charge Hillary Clinton with criminal activity when she refused to hand over classified materials and her subsequent deletion and "bleaching" of that material.

Finally, there is at least some suspicion that the raid, although nominally about former President Trump's retention of classified documents, may actually have been a cover to find documents or other evidence related to the January 6th riots at the Capitol. The hearings that have been held have so far turned up very little against Mr. Trump and liberals in Congress have been putting enormous pressure on the Attorney General to bring charges against the President. Thus the raid may have been an effort to "stumble upon" incriminating evidence related to former President Trump's involvement with January 6.

All this taken together, the bottom line is that the raid on Mr. Trump's home, given those previous circumstances, will not likely have its intended effect. The overall net effect being that trust in the unbiased rule of law has been eroded. Indeed, at bare minimum, the raid will simply exacerbate the populist trend in politics and destroy the already waning public faith in the established institutions of government.

This can lead to no good outcome. As the 19th century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (Lord Beaconsfield) famously said, "A nation's liberties are embodied in its' institutions. The march of intellect is not enough." Would that the leadership of the FBI, and the Department of Justice generally, have thought of that before they decided to lob this particular legal hand grenade.

[DaveJord]

A lot of speculation that...

[nightdrot]

@DaveJord As indeed I noted at the outset. That said, there can be little doubt that faith in institutions is in decline, and that will likely have profound consequences.

[DaveJord]

I agree with that... everyone including Trump manipulating institutions for political gain, and he did it just as bad if not worse than anyone before him.

So yes things are in decline bone of is to better serve the people.

[monorprise]

@DaveJord Its hard to get worse than using institutions to spy on and persecute your political enemies. This is in fact the most extreme you can get in terms of abusing power.

There has been good reason to have no faith in the FBI since its very start under J. Edgar Hoover. Like any other largely unaccountable Federal agency lost in the forest of other more significant issues every election, the FBI has long been the subject of abuse.

Either way it's going to be a lot more difficult to maintain a democracy after this latest FBI raid regardless of the reason. Former presidents are either guaranteed some form of security or they are significantly less likely to agree to become former presidents after ugly elections.

You would think if they really believed January 6th was an 'insurrection' they would not be so eager to give ALL FUTURE Presidents such a solid reason to do precisely that.

[nightdrot]

@DaveJord Have to agree with @monorprise. Although the bashing of institutions is a bipartisan problem. It is easy to bash government, law, the police, etc. and claim all would be well if only the "politicians would listen to the people."

The problem, at base, is that "the people" have a very high regard for themselves and too little humility about their own wisdom. It is to this vanity that the likes of Mr. Trump and Senator Sanders (and President Biden) appeal.

For all their alleged differences, all are content to bash "the elites" and "government." The problem being that in a democracy, properly understood, the people do not decide. Rather, they decide which elites decide. This because while "the people" lack the education and sophistication necessary to a smooth running public policy apparatus.

After all, how many people can tell you what it takes to run monetary policy? The "people" may have a very good sense of whether or not they are being well governed. They lack the capacity to actually govern. It is this blurring of the lines that has brought us to our current interregnum.

[DaveJord]

Gents it ain't like we are in any general disagreement here... but both sides contributed to the problem. No one side is more right or wrong for it, or better off because of it. So if you're coming at this with a pro- Republican or pro- Democrat perspective with some belief that one of these two parties are going to get the upper hand and right this thing... well your just part of the problem. Because that is what they want you to think.

What's it called system collapse theory?

[nightdrot]

@DaveJord Didn't say both sides were not responsible to some degree. As I say, this is a populist wave and we have seen this kind of thing - and these kinds of populist figures - before.

However, there is a certain amount of irony in that the Democrats, not entirely without reason, had come to be seen as the party of big government. To some degree, I quibble with that. (It would be more accurate to say that they became the party of social engineering.)

Nevertheless, they are now tearing down that which they so painstakingly built up. This gives the Democrats both a certain sinister, for lack of a better term, aspect, as well as a certain poignancy. They will be walking in the rubble of that which they built.

[DaveJord]

Again I agree with you... I am so turned off from the Democrats right now for the "social engineer" with their social injustice, LGBTQ crap... fuck off. But the Republicans are like the opposite extreme with their Christian Right crap... and they can fuck off. Neither of them really offer me any thing better, and I expect less moving forward. Honestly neither of them are trying to either, they stirring pot over bullshit like this and if we should care, and the fact that we do or don't does really matter does it? We aren't really going out get anything out of the deal. So in the end why should we care, we are screwed either way... we are not going to make the difference.

[nightdrot]

@DaveJord Well, there is a difference between social engineering and advocating for a moral order to society, I recommend to you George F. Will's "Statecraft as Soulcraft."

In any case, it is a bit of a stretch to link Donald Trump to the "Christian Right." Certainly he does not embody it in his personal life and there was nothing particular to his policies that might be characterized as distinctly "Christian."

Be that as it may, do understand that politics is an intensely moral undertaking. To suggest that you can divorce politics from morality has a VERY bad history. Beyond the Will book, I recommend to you the writings of Edmund Burke, Aquinas and Augustine.

As far as social engineering as opposed to the "Christian Right." The former is the belief that man can remake himself in a predetermined image. That is, decidedly, NOT the message of the Christian Right. The former sees man as raw material to be manipulated and perfected, the latter, whatever its flaws, sees man as an imperfect being who must strive to conform to a moral structure that he did not create and that he certainly cannot help to reorder, but rather to which he must strive to conform.

[DaveJord]

I have degree in political science, but like you said if you think you can separate morality from politics then it has bad results. But that is what we see both sides doing, or at the very least promoting their morals and values over that of others... and that is freedom to them I guess.

But Teflon Don, is a very A-Moral person so FBI raiding his house rates like 2 out of 10 for me. But hey they are crooks, and us getting upset about it or thinking they are seriously going to fix anything is not worth it for people like us to get all fired up about. Of course they will say whatever they think will get you upset, point fingers at the FBI or the Judge... Nancy Pelosi, Biden or Jesus Christ himself.
But we honestly have no clue of the real facts or the level of the games at play or how deep it goes. So to get yourself fired up over it is a waste of time. But that is what they are doing and your going right along with it. They are tearing down the integrity of the systems and institutions and as long as people want to feed into that more serious ramifications will.

Are we really supposed to trust what Donald Trump or his cronies say over the FBI? If that is the case then we are already one step closure to collapse.

[monorprise]

@nightdrot Any system of representative democracy only works to the extent the issues controlled by said representatives are few and specialized enough as to actually hold them accountable for the miss-management of any one of them in all elections.

This becomes ever more largely impossible the larger the domain and scope of said power. As more and more of them must be ignored every election in favor of others.

[nightdrot]

@monorprise Well, the public has the vote, but it prefers to stomp and shout and protest the abuses of government even as it revels in them. Which is to say, the public that rants against large, abusive and big government has the following profile:

1 in 6 who works, works for government.

1 in 7 is a Social Security recipient. This will only get larger as the population ages.

1/3 of all families, this year, will receive some form of transfer payment.

The majority pay NO income tax - at all!!

The American public likes to stomp its' feet over big government, but the truth is that they like it. They just mostly have a negligible willingness to pay for it. They rather enjoy living beyond their means and then - believing that they can have their cake and eat it too - object to the consequences, intended and unintended, the flow from their choices.

There is where the responsibility lies and their the blame should be placed. Right squarely on the American public. Yup, the bigger government gets, the more dependent the public becomes on experts, lobbysists, etc - in a word "elites" - they become. They then vote their cognitive dissonance, are horrified by the results, and come to believe that "the system" is corrupt.

Sorry, trace the problem to its' source if you wish to fix the problem.

[nightdrot]

@DaveJord Well, let's see. The FBI forged documents and lied to the FISA court. The FBI called the Hunter Biden laptop "Russian disinformation." The FBI ignored the very thing with Hillary Clinton that over which it is now, allegedly, raiding Mr. Trump's house.

Beyond all that, the FBI chose a high profile, "threading a needle with a sledgehammer" tactic when other methods were open to it. Not to mention this after having stated, not two weeks before, that it was getting "satisfactory cooperation" with Trump.

There is a serious problem at the DoJ - and the FBI specifically. I am no fan of Mr. Trump, but - bottom line - elected and former elected officials get deference over an unelected and unaccountable bureaucracy. That is just a good rule of thumb.

[DaveJord]

So don't mess around and play games with shit that involves national security or the FBI may come after you... thats piont here, right?

Look no institution is perfect, and again the examples you give are not known facts to us, it's conjecture from media reports. In the end for every one mistake you piont out about FBI you could piont at 10 more cases where they saved lives and made a difference.

When the shit hits the fan, and your ass is on the line... you think Trump is going to answer the call and come to save you?

Bashing FBI is like the easiest thing to do, but honestly what do you really know about any of those cases? News or media reports? Pundatants on TV? Internet conspiracy crap... see some people can sound super smart and educated but what do they really know... and people like us who do we trust, and when it comes to Trump why should we care? You going to tell me Trump isn't crook and he's not trying to cause a media circus? The guys a crook, but you want to bash the FBI, for the injustice... give me a break @nightdrot

I am only pissed because its all for political theater, even if Trumps is guilty, he'll never spend a day in jail. The Russian conspiracy, shit show in Finland with Putin... I for one without any real facts, thinks Trump is an egomaniac and threat to our country.

Nah... the FBI saves lives and does a lot of good things. I am not bashing on them for shake of Donald Trump.

[nightdrot]

@DaveJord Frankly, you've lost me. You are all over the board.

As far as Trump's foreign policy when he was in office, I argues that while it was strategically vacuous, it was often tactically brilliant. In the case of Russia, he helped to keep a divide between Russia and China that is absolutely essential. The USA - and the West generally - will not likely prevail if those two powers are able to align.

Happily, historically speaking, they are not historical allies. However, Mr. Biden's ten thumbed foreign policy has helped facilitate the two powers reconciling their differences, at least tactically, and that is VERY dangerous to the USA.

In any case, recall the essentials of international relations as captured in these quotes:

From Lord Palmerston: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."

From Theodore Roosevelt: "World peace comes not from human kindness or moral restraint, but from balanced power; equilibriums of force restraining the selfish aims of nation-states."

Camillo di Cavour: "Astonish them with my ingratitude." (His response when asked by a reporter what he would do for the Italian liberals who helped him unite Italy.)

From John Quincy Adams: "Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."

CONT.

[nightdrot]

Trump was good at that. Biden not so much.

As to the FBI, trust is earned and the conduct of the FBI in recent years has not exactly been stellar. Again, lying to a FISA court. Forging documents, etc. Suffice to say, police powers in such hands is neither an assurance of democracy nor security. I am not prepared to throw them over the side, but right now, the burden of proof is on them. (Indeed, the fact that the WH claims that it knew nothing of the Trump action is anything but reassuring.)

Finally, as to Mr. Trump's guilt or innocence, we have insufficient information at this point. However, the presumption is innocence and given that the FBI, in the past, has - on the record - tried to entrap and/or frame the former President, both when he was a candidate and as President, does not give reason to immediately assume the worst.

Do not allow your wishes to become the father to your thoughts. There are good reasons not to care for Mr. Trump - as I do not - but the presumption of his criminality is not among them.

[DaveJord]

So your a good at the are of siding the point, you don't address the question by just saying I have lost you , then use words like vacuous, other then just saying Trump himself is irresponsible in plain English when previously you defending him as victim and basking the FBI... the ones who are on the front line defending America from criminals. Then imply I lost you because I am all over the place, as some marginal attempt to discredit me... when you know damn well the point I was making. The fact is you don't want to address my point, so you directing the conversation into what you really want it to be about and I am not taken the bait up to this point. You're smart guy @nightdrot, so now you want to talk foreign policy when just called Trump irresponsible and brilliant in the same breath... so make up your mind?

You want to debate Foreign Policy. I am down @nightdrot. You want to say helped keep China and Russia divided, I really don't know how you come to that conclusion or what policy you are stating. Other then they are no more or less divided today then they where 10 years ago. Other than saying China embraced the United States globalization policy and then used to promote their global view whereas Russian refused to embrace globalization and now falling back on more archaic means of power projection. So again you say Trump kept then divided but then you go onto say "Happily, historically speaking, they are not historical allies." So again what's you main point hear because you basically fainted like you made a point then you contradict that point in the next breath... was intended to preempt the counter point I would of made, by pretending that you had a substantive point to be made in defense of Trump?

[DaveJord]

Then you go on to provide quotes from Lord Palmerston, Theodore Roosevelt and John Q. Adams... without giving any context to the why they are relevant in then contemporary or correlates to the FBI and Trump. Are we to assume that since all these individuals lived and died over a 100 years ago, that these quotes some how were not based upon their known world views or that they some how are relevant into a future they could not of possibly foreseen?

You start the second half by saying Trump was good at that and Biden not... good at what?

Where is the evidence they lied as of today the search warrant has not been released to the public... all you have is Trump and his cronies trying to get out a head of the argument by mudding the waters without any substantive facts to support it. But then you say the burden of proof is on the FBI an its too early to say, but that was my point from the very start and spoke directly to the premise of the original question... but then you say that only after literally eluding to and unknow that they lied to the FISA court... so your talking out of both sides of your month, and not really saying anything.

Then you say that the FBI attempted to entrap Trump... which is baseless claim. And say that Trump should be presumed innocent... then you talk about the father of your thoughts... okay thanks. I never said Trump was guilty or innocent what I did say is that I really don't care because its all a media circus and even if he is guilty he will never do any jail time so who cares?

Do think he did something wrong, sure, what exactly I don't know... but that's my opinion not a fact. And I never attempted to portray it as a fact.

If your from the start was to say Trump should be presumed innocent before guilty then I would totally agreed with that... but that was not really your point was it? And if it was you sure burned up a lot of words trying to make a relatively simple point.

[DaveJord]

But I use this as means of entertain at work, and my only point from the start was who cares, which directly correlates with the original question... I only engaged with you by going down this rabbit hole for entertainment. You pretend to have some greater point to be made here and frankly you have lost me... lol

[nightdrot]

@DaveJord Well, I tried to address the various sub-points that I thought you were trying to make.

To get back to the main point, I will skip a lot and offer to you the following column by George Will:

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

Unfortunately, pal, while I have enjoyed our discussion and may be able to get back to it later. I do have to work - at least a little - and it being Friday spend some time with those little people that I helped to bring into the world, such as it is. Take a look at the above and maybe we can get back to this -- and get back on track - tomorrow.

[monorprise]

@nightdrot
I do not dispute that many different people both enjoy these abuses and vote for the men who impose them. But to lot 330+ million people across 50 states to say nothing of 100+ years of history into a single group called "public" is unfair.

Not everyone benefits from the abuse, and not everyone even among those who benefit from it support it. A population is in fact a collection of many different individual people with many different views.

Indeed the reason for different states is precisely because said population cannot agree to respect certain limits on the scope of law which is why they require limits on the domain of law enforced with different forces.

Furthermore this was suppose to be a Federal Constitutional Republic NEVER a democracy. Those politicians thou elected by the Public violated the limits of that constitutional law upon their power in creating theses unauthorized laws and systems of corruption and unaccountably.

They were responsible for said abuses, while the people had few if any good options to address said abuses. That the Constitution failed to be enforced is of course agreed. That all the people are responsible for the actions of individual politicians even with the compromised support of the majority is absurd.

[nightdrot]

@monorprise Sorry, I am not sure what point you were making. MY point was that the American people talk a ferocious game against government, but as I noted, based on the stats I showed above, they actually love it.

Hang then, the politician who attempts to reign it in. The problem being that the larger the government, the more dependent upon the experts, lobbyists, etc. - in a word, the "elites" - that the public becomes.

This case of cognitive dissonance is what is plaguing the republic. The public is dependent upon elites to run the massive government that the public demands. They then resent those elites and decry the government, until someone attempts to reduce the size of that government, at which point it is declared an attempt by the elites to control and impoverish the people.

Round and round it goes. This all culminating in the populism of the likes of Mr. Trump and Senator Sanders. Two men who, for all their alleged ideological differences, are really just two variants of the same thing. Mr. Trump is NOT a conservative. Senator Sanders is NOT a socialist. Rather, both are manifestations of the same populist phenomenon.

[monorprise]

@nightdrot Speaking of a large population as if it were an individual in assigning it particular motivations is not logical nor fair, as I was saying. Likewise assuming a slave loves their master because they continue to serve, defend, and remain with said master is not looking at the whole story but rather overlooking the details of the motivations.

There are indeed many among said population who genuinely love and believe in the master that forcefully lords over them all. Most of them are simply enslaved to said master unable to leave or rebel for want of enough of their own freedom, resources, and even knowledge to survive free of it.

Among said population there are also many who have the confidence, knowledge, and freedom to be free of the same.
The government creates these dependencies and uses them to make its slaves support it. This is indeed the origin of the corrupt political effect of the welfare state upon our election system. Much of the population is not in a position to bite the hand that feeds them, even if they might dream of said freedom.

[nightdrot]

@monorprise Well, either there are social phenomena or there is not. To be sure, some individuals will vary from the mean to some extent. No two people will be exactly alike.

However, overall, the society has moved and tends to move along identifiable and broad trends. The trend at the moment, to repeat, being populist. That also not being unique in American history. (See also the mid to late 19th century. See also the 1960s and 70s.)

Your argument conduces to a reductio ad absurdum. Politicians address individuals through whole groups. Be they economic, demographic or what have you. Again, individuals will vary within those groups, but generally will share the attitudes of the groups with which they identify. Man, after all, being a social animal.

[monorprise]

@nightdrot To assume people are fixed upon any course dictated by their responses to what they hear and need alone is to ignore reality. Therefore Society the combination of many people is no more fixed. What may be fixed is the interest of said people as dictated by cultural, and economic needs and desires usually made distinct by the long term requirements geographic reality.

Beyond that it is the information and options provided to choose from by other human interest (normally cultural and political leaders) which governs the directions they can choose.

Such leaders are like people to a certain degree consistent as they tend only to become leaders out of their own desire for power and control thus limiting the choices they might try to present broadly to those which help them retain and secure said power based upon their information.

Thus the patterns you see in history are broadly a result of the consistency of theses interest over time and the lack of compelling alternatives in a form to choose from.

Once again a population is not a single unit even if you can average them out, as they are in fact divisible a fact that is extremely important.

[nightdrot]

@monorprise No argument from me. My point is merely that we can see discernible patterns in society and across time. Periods of relative social instability. Other periods of relative stability. Periods of unity. Periods of disunity.

There are a variety of factors at play that cause such shifts and perpetuate them. Further, they are generally relative and not absolute.

As to the influence of leaders, that too depends on circumstance, not to mention the skills of the leader and the circumstances of their tenures. Thus Lyndon Johnson and Ronald Reagan where highly influential figure - both products and shapers of their times. Other - think Jimmy Carter or Gerald Ford - were governed more by events and the social climate than shapers of the same.

This also applies at a broader level too. Periods when some groups - say unions, or some class, such as the aristocracy in Britain - carries greater or lesser influence.

Bottom line is what you say is true and confirms the point I was attempting to make.

[StevieNix]

Sage,

Imagine if you decided to devote your life to being an FBI agent. Your loved ones would most likely try and talk you out of it. But you are bright-eyed, and bushy-tailed. You don't believe them. You just want to make America a better place. If anyone can do this, YOU can.

Then you see the dumbest human on the planet getting a record number of votes.

This idiot is obviously siding with China, at every step. Anyone can see this.

But the idiots can't see this, because..."orange man bad"

[ObscuredBeyond]

No surprise, they found nothing useful. The warrant was issued based on butthurt, not based on probable cause. Everything they were claiming to be looking for was confirmed already in the archives.

The judge who signed off on the raid is a pedophile, with ties directly going back to Epstein and the Lolita Express.

The raid isn't just about "Get Trump" for the heck of it. It's not inherently about screwing America over directly. That's secondary. It's not even about ruining his election bid directly.

It's about punishing Trump for shutting down that one port in San Fran. It's about the adrenochrome.

You mess with Big Adrenochrome, nothing is off the table or too absurd when they seek revenge.

[Ill_made_Knight]

It is known that Trump removed documents to Mar a lago that were not to be removed when he left the White House. All such documents are the property of the people NOT Donald Trump. It is also known that he would tear papers up, flush them, he was even observed EATING them during his tenure.
His behavior has had to be very extreme indeed for the government to seek these kinds of actions against a former president. I would call trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election pretty extreme.
You can also bet that every t has been crossed and every i has been dotted in every proof and bit of documentation necessary to make sure this action is legal.
If Mr. Trump doesn't like this kind of attention perhaps he should have accepted the decision of the people, conceded defeat like everyone else for over 200 years running, and tried again in 2024. I would also suggest that he buckle up because there will likely be more of this.

[DestinyElizabeth04]

Curious what the reason was behind the raid initially. Does anyone have this information? When searching it gives me multiple different reasons and it's hard to pinpoint what the actual reason behind it was.

As a whole though, I feel the government is scrambling and grasping at anything they can at this point. They have been doing this for years. They so desperately want to prove they are right and gather dirt on people that they will do everything they possibly can to justify ignorance. It's on the other end of the spectrum as well. When a republican is elected, they go after democrats and start bashing them in every single way possible. When a democrat is elected, they do the same shit to republicans. It's a never ending situation.

[Sabretooth]

You don't mind that a person who's solely loyal to only himself stealing top-secret documents?

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth are you incapable of reading? I asked what the reason behind the raid was and you immediately jump down my throat and accuse me of not caring? Cool, except I asked because I clearly had no fucking idea what was going on, moron. Bye now.

[Sabretooth]

Your second statement indicated to me that you didn't really care and that you were already dismissing it out of hand

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth So based off an assumption that you created in your own head, you have deemed me incapable of caring about the situation? Awesome. You should probably work on that.

[Sabretooth]

Take the apology, will ya...

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth not anywhere in your statement was there an apology.

[Sabretooth]

I'm sorry.

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth thank you.

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth I'm sorry as well for jumping to hostilities.

[Sabretooth]

to be honest... I didn't mean that. your bratty attitude soured things for me. but, you've apologized... so, I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions. but you need to understand that the right has been downplaying or lying about things regarding Trump's amorality and criminality from day one... and half my family is conservative. this is how it's been: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDTmJEpaIPU

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth another man saying sorry when it wasn't meant. I shouldn't be surprised. Go about life boo.

[Sabretooth]

Them, it sounds like both of our apologies were fake... Given the fact that you're right back to being hostile.

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth No, my apology was genuine until you immediately withdrew your own apology saying you didn't mean it. Expecting my apology to remain genuine after your own admission to lying is bold of you.

[Sabretooth]

would you apologize to me or anyone else if they lashed out at you like you did me?

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth unlike you apparently, I'm willing to own up to my mistakes. I never needed to apologize to you but I did, as I was being hostile. You're the one who withdrew and lied, not me. Therefore you have no room whatsoever to question me and my morals. Take a look in the mirror and reflect on yourself.

[Sabretooth]

and now, your acting like a self-righteous bitch.

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth 🙄 you're exhausting. I'm not arguing with a man who thinks he is an alpha. Please remove yourself from my comment and go harass someone else.

[Sabretooth]

suits me. I had hoped that we could discuss this as reasonable adults... but you'd rather just posture.

[DestinyElizabeth04]

@Sabretooth 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[NewsReader]

Yes, I know. And I think it was wrong for them to do that unannounced. That sort of thing can be done if the person is suspected of holding weapons of mass destruction or something like that. But a box of papers? Come on. Just knock on the front door with a legal search warrant like in most cases.

There is also an interesting piece written in Deseret News about the potential aftermath:

https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/8/23297634/perspective-the-mar-a-lago-raid-is-a-risky-move-on-trump-that-could-spell-trouble-for-democrats

[Danny_dan92]

This is just another over step from the democratic party to try and tarnish and ruin Trump’s political career completely.


They tried impeaching him multiple times and failed because all their claims were overtly false.


Now they are using a government organization to confiscate documents belonging to him and potentially alter them to create “artificial” evidence to accuse him of the crimes they are desperately trying to accuse him of so his ability to run again for president is relinquished.


And before anyone calls me a trump supporter, I’m not. I did not vote for him, Hilary or Biden.


I love my country, I want the people of my country to live free from all government oppression and corruption. Unfortunately I have to say it but the democratic party has completely gone tyrannical.

[ElementoP]

Trump believes right.
He's a major threat to their agenda because he doesn't back down and he can't be bought.
If he wasn't running again they wouldn't be wasting government resources on this stupid witch hunt lol. Give me a break.
If he wins, the first thing they'll do is start working on impeachment #3

Whether you like Trump or not, you can't possibly believe this shit is actually a legitimate investigation lol

But I'm done defending him. If you haven't caught onto it all by now, you're a moron and you never will. Just keep swallowing the spoon fed horse shit from CNN and cry as we all live better with him in office

[Sirenboobzilla]

Trump has said many times that those who invoke the 5th are as food as guilty; that if innocent, there's no reason to invoke it. Yet he did, AND compared this to Watergate. I'm very interested to see how this plays out. And willing to bet he's gonna say 'I didn't say that'

[sage2021]

@Sirenboobzilla kinda like when President Clinton went on record when he swore he did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky. She had the blue dress with his semen stain on it as proof that he did have sex with her in the white house while he was president!! A lot of younger people aren't aware that president Clinton was impeached just as his four year term was about to end.

[Sirenboobzilla]

I was 2 years old when that happened. And I learned of it around like 5th grade.

But wasn't until my uncle was watching a WWE DVD of D-Generation X when Shawn Michaels did a skit mimicking it that it finally sunk in

[exitseven]

Desperation is not a good look for the democrats. They will be toast in November.

Maybe they will find a couple of pairs of his dirty underwear that Biden wants to sniff.

[RolandCuthbert]

This shit is hilarious. I leave the country for two weeks and all hell breaks loose. Remember this?

[WhiteBoyChill]

Ah yes. Because black men like Roland Cuthbert are the ones who offer the rest of us a sense of sanity.

[RolandCuthbert]

No insult from you can change the fact that you are a pathetic loser incel. With no friends and no hope. Your whole world is the internet. I type this as I sit in a lounge at the Düsseldorf airport.

Eat your heart out.

:D

[WhiteBoyChill]

Bud. You’re a divorced 50 year old man who also spends his time on the internet.

Come get back to me once you figure your shit out first

[RolandCuthbert]

@WhiteBoyChill So I am spending all my time on the internet while going on two tours in Munich and Berlin, seeing the aquarium in both cities, going to the Beer market twice in Munich, taking my Ukrainian friends to dinner, then to the Zoo, going with my one friend three times to the immigration office, etc.

:D

Nothing you post can change the fact, you are a pathetic pitiful incel loser.

You could change your life, but you don't want to.

[CasaNorba]

I'm pretty sure he met being investigated with a WARRANT

[WhiteBoyChill]

Because I’m happy with my life. Your life just sounds so boring to me

[RolandCuthbert]

@WhiteBoyChill Well, I am sure to you, anything outside of posting racist shit, playing video games and whacking off to porn is boring.

I mean you sound like you got the life.

:D

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m certainly happy with it. So suit yourself.

[chrissykerdock]

consider peter szturck's testimony we can get him even if we make it up... think of the whole russian thing being one lie and no substance at all... not even an apology... if you still believe in this regime then your one stupid idiot... maybe you want to live in a socialist country i don't know...87,000 new irs agents can't be a good thing

[Bratsondanielle]

My thoughts? Lol -- they didn't get anything out of their charade "the hearings" other than showing the whole country what an absolute flock of morons they are, so now they pull this stunt. It's ridiculous and I think Republicans will vote for him even more now. This whole deal is only firing 🔥 up Republicans and strengthening peoples' support for Trump. We'll have an ultra Maga 2024 ... a serious red wave!!!

[Sabretooth]

Forgetting the fact that Trump refused to hand over evidence that he claimed would only prove his innocence and the fact that republicans made it clear that they weren't interested in evidence.

[Bratsondanielle]

Forgetting that so far they have tried for 6 years to dig up some - ANY - dirt on President Trump... and haven't found squats 🙃 but the wonders of the biden family omg they are the sweetie 💕 ❤ little crackhead son in prostitution and snorting coke and throwing laptops all over the place and on the board of the Ukraine 🇺🇦 gascompany etc etc etc... yeah right ✅

[supercutebutt]

@bratsondaniellee Hang Mike Pence!

[Sabretooth]

you really can't see the irony, here? there's plenty to hang Trump with. plenty to go after his kids on... not so much with Biden... most dems wouldn't care, though--they don't deify him.

[sage2021]

@Sabretooth So, you think they will go after Trump's children. Well, that's nothing new for them. Everyday they have people harassing them.
So, speaking of a President's children, why didn't you mention anything about Hunter Biden and his wrong doings? No, they don't do anything to him except let him get away with everything wrong that he does. He is an out of control punk and an embarrassment to the president. What good does he ever do? None! He is just a waste of a good head of hair! Isn't it strange that his good son, BOB, died of cancer but his idiot son still lives on?

[Sabretooth]

the children are irrelevant. besides, his kids don't give a shit about you--certainly not Eric who stole from a charity for kids with cancer. they have no interest in Biden... why should they? none of that has anything to do with his father or the state of this country... none of that can be said of Trump or his family. and what wrong doings? what has he done that illegal? everyone wants to talk but nobody wants to show... we ALL know about the quagmire Carson found himself in with his ''evidence'' that ''lost''.

[sage2021]

@Sabretooth prove Eric Trump stole money from a children's cancer fund. Put up links and prove it.

[Sabretooth]

very well: abc7chicago.com/.../ this is how've been for generations.

[snowboarder720]

It’s not that the far left don’t want him to run for President again but all Americans want him to be held accountable for his actions. Including illegal handling of confidential documents, inciting a riot on Jan 6th, molesting children with his best friend Jeffery Epstein, etc.

[Fuentes]

Whose ALL?

[sage2021]

@snowboarder720 are you out of your mind? Trump the child molester? I guess if he was really a child molester as you accuse him of being, the people on the left would have been right on top of that one and would have held a full-on investigation and would have tried to have him impeached for the 3rd time!!! Your Joey on the other hand took showers with his own daughter when she was a young girl. It's all in his daughters diary. So, I would hold him accountable for molesting his own daughter. It's called incest!

[snowboarder720]

@sage2021 Trump and Epstein were close friends. Here’s a lawsuit filed against Trump and Epstein for raping a 14 year old girl in New York.
Who said I liked Biden?

www.scribd.com/.../Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits

[Lookingforthetruth]

We have video footage of biden literally snipping and groping little girls on film and children looking uncomfortable in hid presnece.

We have text messages of biden being aware of his son having sexual relations with his grand daughter and not condemning his behavior completely.

We have video, text and pictures showcasing biden abusing his position as VP under obama to steal money from americans and pocket it into his own pocket.

We have evidence and video footage of Biden saying blacks should not be in school with whites when he was still a young senator.

We have pictures and evidence of biden giving a eulogy at a KKK leaders funeral.

But sure, let give him a pass because he is a democrat and all that is expected.

[snowboarder720]

@Lookingforthetruth I never said I liked Biden or what he has done 😆

[Lookingforthetruth]

but when it comes to keeping Biden accountable you don't seem to mine that sliding.

[snowboarder720]

@Lookingforthetruth you’d suck orange man’s cock if you had the chance. I can same the same about you and Trump.

[snowboarder720]

@Lookingfortruth talking about Trump isn’t an exclusive statement for other politicians.

[Lookingforthetruth]

@snowboarder720 good to know your alt account is Sabretooth

[snowboarder720]

@Lookingfortruth typical Trumptard claiming lies without evidence. Tell your friend Sabretooth how much you think about them when they aren’t present. 😆🤣

[sage2021]

@snowboarder720 I looked at the link, but did you? They wouldn't put her real name in the document. Jane Doe is not a real name and this is all bullshit!

[snowboarder720]

@safe2021
“"Jane Doe" aka "Katie Johnson" – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed and others, then dropped in November 2016.
Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by "Katie Johnson" in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein's New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — "Tiffany Doe" — said she recruited "Jane Doe" and others. Doe, using the name "Johnson," gave an interview to the Daily Mail in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.”

Source: www.google.com/.../assault-allegations-donald-trump-recapped

[Snsl153]

Well, that much is certainly true; the far-Left don't want him to run again. What I don't understand is why those who hate both D. Trump and their own country so much don't just catch a one-way flight to Communist China. Aren't they communists? Don't they want to live in a nation that doesn't tolerate free speech? Aren't they just stooges and trolls for Xi anyway?

[Losalt]

"Aren't they communists?"
You guys in the US have no idea what that even means these days.
We got 8 of them in our 169 seat parliament this term here in Norway.
Read the party manifesto of a few *real* communist parties and then compare that to your left wing.
What even your most "extreme left" is suggesting is still a democratic market economy.
And many of the things that the republican party is criticizing the democrats for now is stuff they themselves wanted in the 70s and 80s..
While I'm not claiming that the democrats haven't moved politically at all it's definitely the republican party that has moved the most towards extremism.
And Trump is being criticized because even when following far right US sources you can clearly see that he's a lying, cheating and selfish bastard that doesn't care about the US or any other part of the world.
Just about himself.
He doesn't care about conservative values at all, nor any other right wing values, nor about working class Americans nor the middle class.
Heck, even when it comes to the upper class he doesn't care that much...
He's a populist and a narcissist that only cares about himself and his own appearance and reputation at the detriment of everything else including the truth and reality.

You guys deserve better leaders.
And I wish you had something other than the first past the post electoral system, that you had some *real* options to pick between.
Where you could vote on who you actually agree with the most rather than who you hate the least...

[Snsl153]

@Losalt "You guys in the US" - Well, I'm not in the US. I don't live there, and so everything that follows in your little rant here is completely irrelevant, because it is based upon that single, flawed assumption.

[Losalt]

Possibly, may I ask what country you're from then?

[Snsl153]

@Losalt All you have to do to find out is place your cursor above my name.

[WindAtMyBack]

Pure politics. So he supposedly had government paperwork at his personal home. Probably every president in history has done that.

But when Hilary not only had classified information at her home, she even sent it over an unsecure network, the liberal media looked the other way.

[Chazmatazz269]

Doesn’t matter. If Drumpf never did anything wrong, he’d still be Satan incarnate to the left. That’s just how they are.
If Drumpf was caught on camera skinning babies alive and eating them, his followers would still swear he’s god’s gift. That’s just how they are.
They’re all a bunch of hypocrites and liars, left and right both. If I had the Infinity Gauntlet, I’d rid the world of all of those idiots.

[Agagagagaga]

I know who I’d rid the world of. 👍

[hahahmm]

I think if Biden's presidency had average or higher ratings they wouldn't need this distraction. But they're playing with fire because if too many people think the system can't be trusted then people will just pick and choose which laws to follow which can spiral out of control. The country is on the edge and most people don't even realize it.

[Anonymous]

So much for democracy and the peaceful transfer of power...

Do you really think future presidents are going to so willing give up power peacefully knowing they may be treated like this?

Like it or not, unless the FBI is totally destroyed as to make future presidents incapable of such acts, the Federal Constitutional Republic will be destroyed by this kind of behavior.

[goaded]

Well, of course they don't want the only president in the history of the country to not oversee a peaceful transition of power to their duly elected successor to run for president again. No American should.

Also, had Trump been cooperating with the investigation, as some liars might claim, there wouldn't have been any classified documents still to seize 18 months after he was voted out of office, would there?

[goaded]

By the way, who was it brought the news of this search to the public's attention? It was not the DoJ, was it? People claiming that there was a "flamboyant" exercise of power are simply lying, the reaction to a the exercise of a simple search warrant (signed by a Trump-appointed judge, by the way) would have been unremarkable, unless Trump decided to make it so.

[monorprise]

If Trump had wanted to remain in power all he would have had to do is appoint loyal military officers in the military and come up with an excuse a sizeable fraction of the country would buy.

This is a trivial matter, as presidents and even top generals thou out history and around the world have done for thousands of years.

Hence why you don't give presidents any sound reason NOT to do this. Trump didn't even go after Hilary Clinton a former secretary of state, dispute campaigning on the issue. Because in reality you need to stay very far away from this this threat if you want to insure all future administrations do not have a compelling personal reason to not step down.

This why what the FBI did was crossing a very important Rubicon with this act.

Nobody is going to care whatever documents Trump failed to return, when any morally flexible (as most of them are) future president fails to step down peacefully for fear for himself and his families safety.

[goaded]

@monorprise It's educational to see how little faith you have in the constitution. It's the constitution that elected officials and the military swear allegiance to, not the current president. Ordering a military coup is an illegal order, and the military should ignore it.

The bar to being investigated after leaving office is extremely high, all you have to do is not attempt a coup to stay in power when you lose the election and not steal top secret documents from the government and refuse to return them. Every other US president in history has managed that, and not investigating the one that did would be encouragement for the next demagogue to try it in the future.

Trump didn't go after Hilary Clinton because she hadn't done anything worth arresting her for, and Trump has always known that. Trump on the other had has clearly broken many laws. Even so, he'll get a fair trial and not be under any threat (unlike members of the FBI that Trump's painted a target on their backs with his lies).

[Exterminatore]

Well…. they didn’t get him with the Russia probe or the 2 impeachments or Jan 6th hearings, so….5th times a charm?


Love him or hate him you have to admit no one has gone after a president this way before.


It’s a political witch hunt.

[andreasderjuengere]

I think: These must be very small boxes - or a quite large safe :)

I thought: that it's obvious that ''the left'' is not fond of the guy :)

I had thought: that people are smart enough to NOT keep sensitive information in their own house.

I will think more: once more clear information is -or is not- available.

[MCheetah]

If they can't prove a valid reason for unlawful search and seizure, then they just handed him a re-election on a Silver Platter (Trump, specifically, not any Republican).

[Anonymous]

I always liked Trumps way of speaking and style. I loved his bullying behavior. And how he told off the leftards.

But when I learned he was a Freemason, AKA. And Illuminati puppets. Just like the left. I learned he’s in the same team as all of them. He’s there doing all their gay f-ing hand signs and such.

It’s all a stage. And he used to be an actor.

there's NO HOPE. WE THEE PEOPLE ARE THE JOKE.

[CasaNorba]

I'm extremely happy cause this is just one more ingridient on the receipe that's gonna impeach Joe Biden and allow the Republicans to take back the house this November!

by the way this also reveals how much of a hypocrite leftists are. I mean isn't ironic how the party that loves to delete and censore evidence has decided to send the FBI to Trump's home all because he was supposedly hiding records?

[TonyMetal___86]

This is what happens when law agents starts to work under politicians authority, the FBI is an organization who have to work for the country's best and not for political agendas!

If Trump wasn't a real man than he wouldn't have been attacked like this...

If the U. S wants to keep it's position in the world than only Trump or men like him are the ones to for this duty...

[Echosoul]

Trump made the US a laughing stock.

[TonyMetal___86]

@Echosoul trump or joey biden 😂

[Lookingforthetruth]

@Echosoul under trump gas prices were at an all time low and America was strong. Biden has made the US look completely weak.

[Echosoul]

@Lookingforthetruth gas prices aren't controlled by the president. Trump's whining every time anyone criticised him made him look pathetic. "The fake news" etc. He makes America seem weak and paranoid (about immigrants).

www.pewresearch.org/.../
www.pewresearch.org/.../

[ArtemisSilver]

Honestly it's been kind of weird how much the deep state, media and left hate him. Probably just another fruitless fishing expedition.

I do however suspect that he's been dead since January, and there just using deepfakes and body doubles to use him as a focal point for the daily hate.

Plus he's getting damn old. Let someone who's going to live another thirty years be prez FFS.

[Anonymous]

Actually, Trump has been on the edge of illegal his entire life. This is nothing new. He knows that he'll never go to jail and can litigate for decades. He has nothing to loose. Actually, he has a lot to gain. His toads think he's a victim. For them, it's confirmation and free publicity. He manipulates the story with lies that boost his popularity with the unthinking masses. Luckily, he's old and unhealthy.

[Lookingforthetruth]

Seeing that the FBI are democrats lap dogs and have been found in the past to be completely corrupt, I won't be surprise if they plant evidence to try and get trump convicted. After all, they are approaching their 2 year mark with Joe Biden looking to be the worse president in the history of the US.

[DaveJord]

Psssssh, Totally lap dogs, right?

[Dazed0N0Confused]

You mean the FBI director that Trump appointed? How about the judge who signed the warrant, he was also appointed by TFG

[DaveJord]

@Dazed0N0Confused I was totally being sarcastic. I am not a conspiracy theorists so I will assume you are not talking to me.

[Dazed0N0Confused]

@DaveJord oh no, not you lol

[Dazed0N0Confused]

😂🤣😂 he should've complied with the National Archives request for the documents he stole back! This could have all been avoided had he followed the law.

[Uannoyme]

Just another Monday. They've been coming at him non stop since 2016. It's kind of lost any impact at this point. Smells like desperation to me. I could be wrong though.

[monorprise]

It really doesn't matter what they find be it political dirt or the criminal dirt they claim to be looking for.

In the end all that will really matter is the deterring of presidents cooperating with a peaceful transfer of power this precedent sets.

There is a Reason even in impeachment the punishment cannot extend beyond removal from office. To do otherwise would make current leaders fear for their safety from future leaders and refuse to step down peacefully.
Such has happened quite a few times in history, the practical means to fight it ext with the power to hand pick officials in every major office of power loyal to you.

Our republic to a large degree does indeed depend upon existing leaders being willing to step down. Its going to be a lot harder to convince them to do that going forward knowing the guy who just ran an ugly political campaign against him will have this kind of power over him.

[JohnK123]

the fbi had evidence that’s how they got a warrant

[monorprise]

@JohnK123 Whether they had "evidence" or not hardly matters compared to what will happen to this country as a result of what they have done.

There is a good reason this has never been done before, and not even for impeachment does the punishment of a president extend any further than removal from office.

Who ever gave such orders has really crossed a very important line. Its no longer reasonable to assume our republic endure long term after this.

[redbeardsley91]

Well... he DOES claim New Jersey as a tax haven for himself and had his 1st ex-wife buried on his golf course, so the land IS a cemetery, BUT if they find even ONE shred of evidence, like White House stationery (which can be considered "theft of government property" if it leaves the White House), all the money in the world can't save him from seeing the inside of a jail cell and his land being forfeited to the government.

[driven159]

He was told months ago to return the boxes of classified papers and warned him of not securing the room they were in if we did that, we would have been arrested If you want to make America great make it by having files secure too former presidents have security briefings just as if they were in office still so securing stuff is vital

[Sixgunsound]

But Killary gets a pass? It’s this hypocrisy that makes it difficult for me to take sufferers of trump derangement syndrome seriously.

[driven159]

@Sixgunsound she wasn't president that's the difference

[Sixgunsound]

If the issue is supposedly hiding documents when asked for them by the government, they allegedly both did the same thing, but one is not being held accountable because of ‘reasons’. Those reasons are the leftist hypocritical double standards to which I refer. Both were in office when the alleged events occurred.

[888theGreat]

They are taking my questions about it. They used a false excuse to look for other things to make it look like he planned jan 6th protest. He clearly said don't get into trouble and be peaceful. They will probably doctor papers to make it look like he told them to kill and take Capital over.

[Anonymous]

This was a huge mistake. There was no probable cause that Trump had these records. That makes this an illegal search and seizure. This also handed Trump valuable ammunition for a 2024 Presidential run. This was a huge political mistake for Democrats.

[supercutebutt]

"There was no probable cause that Trump had these records. That makes this an illegal search and seizure."

Lies.

[monorprise]

@supercutebutt Every President in history has retained records. They have crossed a very important Rubicon with such an extreme act.
There is no record in existence that is worth so endangering the republic forever like this.

[DaveJord]

It it really? I think most people don't give a shit... you either like him or you don't other than that it changes nothing. Its all for the media just o get people stirred up.

[RealMarek]

Looks like Garland is in a fishing expedition. Real banana republic stuff here.

[monorprise]

Do you really think they are interested in anything illegal rather than information politically useful to them?

The real problem with this precedent and power its going to be more difficult to convince future presidents to step down peacefully. So the Federal Constitutional republic is almost certainly on its way out waiting for a president afraid of his successor, unless we somehow totally abolish this capability.

[RealMarek]

@monorprise The US code is extremely complex. If they find even the smallest technicality the DOJ can launch a multi-count indictment (common practice) and for sure ruin any election prospects even if there is not much there.

[RealMarek]

And yes, the constitution is out, at least with this ruling elite.

[monorprise]

@RealMarek Your right that the 'federal laws/interpretations' are such that anyone and everyone is guilty. Such that all of us commit around 3 federal offenses a day. Its not a question of them finding an infraction its a question of them choosing whether or not they want an infraction.

Thus far they suggested a rather silly explication implying he took 'classified' materials.
As if it were even possible for a president with ultimate declassification ability to illegally retain any classified material.

But this is still a minor issue compared to what is going to happen to America as a result of this precedent of new Administrations legally persecuting former Administrations and political rivals.

This practice will eventually and inevitability end the peacefully transfer of power that is key to democracy.

[RealMarek]

@monorprise I agree completely. If we look at the presidency, we see that significant parts of the opposition claim the president is illegitimate ever since Bush the Younger. This was amped up to 11 with the election of Trump. Now Garland is crossing the Rubicon into third-world behavior. We still have elections, but if we continue in this direction our elections will be as meaningful as the USSR’s: simply an opportunity to register one’s loyalty to the elite.

[joeldalton]

Meanwhile 106,000 people have died of fentanyl overdoses and no one in Epstein’s pedo ring has been named.

[Red-Blaze]

There is too much info missing on the matter to really know anything most pick not to even talk or reveal anything
Overall I do think its likely politcal mostly but time will tell

[Lliam]

The Democrats are on the same page as the ultra-neocons who run the FBI, CIA, State Dept and military. They hate Trump because he's not on the same page. He ruins their plans.

[FunkyMonkee]

Exactly!! Lke he said, "They're not after me, they're after YOU! I just happen to be in their way!"

[Anonymous]

he's right they don't want him to run. hillary destroyed thousands of files and emails off her personal server, pelosi with her inside trading of stocks with recent chip makers nvidia hunter biden's laptop and joe bidens dealings with ukraine barry obama and michael obama and his adopted kids

[Opinion Owner]

all this bullshit raid is gonna do is incite another riot at the capital and more riots against pelosi biden harris clinton obama and the doj and fbi all this is doing is inciting more violence they must really fear November 4th and trump being reelected in 2024 to stoop to this level but doing this raid only reinforced a republican takeover this November. this stupid plan of theirs backfired severely and just so the libtard democRATS know A TRUMP will be president in 2024 but it won't be who most are expecting it to be

[Opinion Owner]

and if not 2024 then 2028 and it will be a historic first when it happens and it will neutralize the feminazis but not so much the libtard democRAT extremists

[Opinion Owner]

that is if the blowjob queen current vp doesn't become president first when dementia joe is removed from office for being "sick" from covid

[Opinion Owner]

or monica's blowjob to bill in the oval office or bill and hillary bumping off people including epstein

[katiesmuff]

The FAR left, shit the whole left and some of the Right don't want that bubbling Ass running again.

[FilmGuy93]

I could not care less. I wasn't a fan of Trump, but it's obvious that these investigations aren't going to lead to anything; Trump is guilty of being an obnoxious asshole, but that's it.

[slatyb]

I'm thinking it's likely they will find evidence that he illegally removed records from the White House at the end of his term, as Trump believes he is above the law.

[monorprise]

It really doesn't matter what they 'find' democrats will have acquired access to all the legal political plans of their enemies.

The biggest problem by far is the precedent of his power will eventually be enough to convince a future president to avoid stepping down at all for fear of what a successor might do to him.

As happens in many other countries, we will eventually end up with a dictatorship, or a civil war to remove them at a minimum.

There is a reason even the impeachment clause of the Constitution doesn't allow congress to do anything more than remove from office.

[slatyb]

@monorprise Democrats? Do you imagine that the FBI is entirely composed of Democratic voters? Probably most of the agents have been there since the last Bush administration.

[monorprise]

@slatyb To abuse an agency's power you need not entirely run its ranks but merely exist in such numbers within its ranks as to be allowed to do what you want without effective opposition.

Democrats do not fill the ranks of the FBI, mostly just many parts of its leadership in Washington D. C. where they exist in such numbers as to get away with almost whatever they want.

The largely unaccountable Nature of all Federal agencies makes this a rather easy thing to do, given there is almost no chance our abusive acts will be both:
1: Noticed by enough people to bring to matter politically to its leaders.
2: Acted on as an election issue over every other issue the same politicians are responsible for.

[slatyb]

@monorprise a judge signed the search warrant. Do we know who, and who appointed him?

[monorprise]

@slatyb As it really doesn't make much of a difference at that level, I dont see any reason to care.
There are soo many Federal judges needing regular replacement it is basically impossible for the electoral accountable leaders to pay much attention to whom they are in addition to doing everything else they have task themselfs with doing. So almost no effort goes into any but those on the highest courts.

The same is true of pretty much every federal agency hence why they are so effectively unaccountable and the Federal Government is largely governed by an UN-elected Washington D. C. elite.

There are however currently 1,770 Federal judgeships of those about 870 are what they call "Article 3 judges".

[Cubus]

If this lowers his chances of running for president in 2024 - it's actually good. Trump is one of the few Republican candidates that Biden can defeat then, because of his actions in the past. Now it's time for DeSantis.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Cubus I actually agree with you. But I just wish the Republicans had the sense to reject him of their own volition. Instead of having the choice made for them by the Democrats. Because now he will be seen as a hero and a martyr, and the Republicans will not have learned their lesson.

I do personally believe that Trump is a patriotic American, but I also believe that he's a crooked businessman, and he lacks leadership ability and he lacks good judgement and common sense. And he doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Just when you think the American left can't get any worse... they just keep going.

[Sixgunsound]

Presidents have historically enjoyed immunity from anything that happened in office. Obama and Clinton must be shaking with fear right now…

[Jamie05rhs]

Haha! I'm sure they're not bothered one bit. We all know how the partisan double standards work.

[Sixgunsound]

@Jamie05rhs This may be true, but once the shoe is on the other foot, they better have their tickets punched to New Zealand.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Sixgunsound It will never happen. We Republicans actually have principles. We won't allow any political persecution of our enemies, no matter how much we dislike them.

[Sixgunsound]

@Jamie05rhs And that’s why Republicans are a second class party. Because whoever is afraid of or slow to embrace violence of any kind loses. The white Russians were more hesitant to murder their neighbors than the Reds, and we all know how that turned out. They weren’t only called the reds for the color of their symbolism. People with principles seldom rise to the top and if they somehow managed to the seldom stay in the high seat for very long.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Sixgunsound A sad truth, unfortunately.

[supercutebutt]

Good for the FBI! And Trump appointed the dude who directed the raid! Trump isn't above the law and this is a great moment for America. :)

[BeMuse]

Seems like the Palm Beach country sheriff and the judge that signed the warrant need a closer look.

[BeMuse]

He gets it...
media.greatawakening.win/post/9IAsMolTXpOv.jpeg

[BeMuse]

Not surprising being that he represents Space Force's district.

[BeMuse]

[BeMuse]

Have you looked at the judge yet? Did you find the connection to Jeffrey Epstein and Hillary Clinton or are you still waiting for the media to tell you what to think?

[FunkyMonkee]

Probably just a few spare hamburgers. He's up all hours of the day and night and needs to eat SOMETHING when all the burger joints are closed for the night!

[FunkyMonkee]

https://youtu.be/yNU_BW4N96c
https://youtu.be/IKFduqj4t_s
https://youtu.be/TaIr-dSPCjo

[FunkyMonkee]

https://youtu.be/BBgu0KRkHCM

[FunkyMonkee]

https://youtu.be/beMftgTnKBQ

[KelleyNice]

We live in a dictatorship and most people love being slaves to the government.

[supercutebutt]

I see you've been pulling the string on Far Right Barbie. What else does she tell you?

[Losalt]

The US *is* a flawed democracy, but calling it a dictatorship is just nonsense.
Doing something about the first past the post electoral system would be a good first step...

[Losalt]

Oh, and Kelly, while Trump and his lackeys might pretend otherwise the was majority of anti-democratic features of the US are favoring the republicans, not the democrats.

[KelleyNice]

@Losalt If someone else is entitled to the proceeds of your labor WITHOUT your consent,
you_are_a_slave engaged in a consent less slave/master relationship.

Your paycheck doesn't represent "income" at all. Yo actually exchanged a specific number of hours of your active life for it. Anyone else who claims ownership of that paycheck is therefore claiming ownership of your active life- and that is the literal definition of slavery.

[Losalt]

@KelleyNice
There's no way around that.
Occasionally you *are* going to need services that a individual person is unavailable to provide.
If you for instance work at a farm, you're going to need farm machinery.
That requires raw materials.
So you have to pay the mine workers, for their work in extracting those raw materials.
The land owner for the use of the land, neither of them are likely to be willing to buy your food by with their metals because it's far away.
You're going to have to pay for the wear and tear on *their* equipment.
For transport of that metal to a refinery, both the workers and the energy used in the transportation and the wear and tear of the equipment.
As well as a police and a army keeping the mine, refinery, machinery and trucks from being stolen.
You have to pay for the work of the refinery workers, and those that funded the building of the refinery to begin with.
You have to pay for the shipping og that refined metal to a factory making the parts, both for the use of the ship and wages for the crew.
And for a navy ensure that the ship arrives safely.
You have to pay for the assembly of the parts.
A portion of the cost of the education of the people who figured out *how* to make the refinery and factory and the farm machinery.
You have to pay for a portion of their health care so they don't die losing the factory access to their labour and knowledge.

[Losalt]

You have to pay for the money you have to begin with, as it has to be created and the difference in need for your food vs whatever someone else is providing in order to earn the cash they're paying for your food is high a lot of the time, farms exists almost everywhere but mines, factories, universities etc, doesn't.
And people need food at different times from when it's provided, and there's people distributing it that needs to be paid too etc...
All of these people need services, and those costs money provided by the government.
And what keeps those money valuable is the constant demand for them *from* the goverment through taxes, and interest on loans granted by the government to others.

Essentially those taxes making your money valuable is a service that you are paying for with your taxes.
You don't *have* to pay taxes of course.
You don't *have* to use money.
If you just farm and feed yourself with tools you make yourself then money isn't needed and you won't have a taxable income.
But you are choosing to make use of a service that you pay for with taxes when you choose to use money.

You *consent* to being taxed through your use of money and through your citizenship.
If you wish not to pay taxes there's ways to achieve that.

Secondly, you are not being bought, sold or killed.
And have choices about where to live.

So, no, you're not in any way, shape or form a slave.

And no, your definition of slavery is also severely messed up and made by someone trying to over simplify a complex topic.

[Dargil]

They probably stole the China, Silverware or Melania's underwear.

[ShadezMcgee]

The Russia collusion failure wasn't embarrassing enough?

[KrakenAttackin]

Proof positive the crazy left has control of the FBI.

[monorprise]

Its proof the FBI needs to be totally abolished. Its corruption as a political secrete police knows little bounds.

This time they have done real damage to the republic with this act in making it a lot harder to convince all presidents going forward to step down peacefully knowing the guy who just ran an ugly political campaign against them will have this kind of power over them.

There is a reason why the punishment for even impeachment can extend no further than removal from office.
People have refused to leave office for this reason and if they command the military with the ability to replace any office who doesn't follow orders there really isn't a lot you can do to stop them. Hence why historically getting leaders to leave office has always been so tricky.

It will now be again in this country until inevitably one of them successfully does not.

[Guy13]

Obama is President and both China and Russia have keys to the White House...

[Anonymous]

Trump is a known pedophile and incest lover, the boxes are probably all child porn and naked pictures of his daughter

[VaasMontenegro]

That's Biden you talk about there

[Sirenboobzilla]

Mmm I don't think Biden admitted he'd date his own daughter there buddy

[JohnK123]

@Sirenboobzilla or said that he wished his generals were more like hurler’s

[VaasMontenegro]

@JohnK123 Silence Cuckboy

[VaasMontenegro]

@Sirenboobzilla Another feminist🤢🤢🤮

[Sirenboobzilla]

@VaasMontenegro Another pendejo

[VaasMontenegro]

@Sirenboobzilla How does it feel to vote for garbage because it makes you "feel better"?😂

[Sirenboobzilla]

@VaasMontenegro about as good as it's gonna feel to fuck your dad and give him a child he'll actually love

[VaasMontenegro]

@Sirenboobzilla Your eggs don't work anyway, stop the cope😂

[Sirenboobzilla]

@VaasMontenegro bold talk from someone needing a game character to hide their own face, likely one even a mother wouldn't love

[VaasMontenegro]

@Sirenboobzilla I could show my face but you would fall in love with me if I did😘

[Sirenboobzilla]

@VaasMontenegro Safer bet would be my vajj drying up as bad as the Sahara

[VaasMontenegro]

@Sirenboobzilla Are you trying to say that you're wet now?😂

[Sirenboobzilla]

@VaasMontenegro What? Never dealt with one enough to know they're naturally moist inside? Pitty

[VaasMontenegro]

@Sirenboobzilla Seems to me like you're just a horndog lolz

[Sirenboobzilla]

@VaasMontenegro Was... was that supposed to be an insult?

[VaasMontenegro]

@Sirenboobzilla maybe? Maybe not?🤔

[JohnK123]

@VaasMontenegro if that was an insult ur pretty lame

[VaasMontenegro]

@JohnK123 Well you're a simp so it doesn't shock me a bit

[ChooChooHaha]

The Deep State doesn't want him to. And they don't want anyone else like him to.

[genericname85]

they should have taken hunter bidens laptop. but somehow they don't care for the bidens families crimes.

[JohnK123]

Hunter Biden didn’t take White House property

[genericname85]

@JohnK123 true. He did way worse shit.

[genericname85]

like how his daddy fucked over ukraine before suddenly deciding to rescue them from the russians :D

[JohnK123]

But never stole white house documents 😉

[genericname85]

@JohnK123 oh yeah. crimes against humanity are of course worse than taking a piece of paper from some desk...

[Lookingforthetruth]

@JohnK123 Hunter biden used his fathers position as Vice president under obama to make him and his family rich. Biden pocketed like 150 million off deals with private own companies. This of course will be given a pass by democrats because rules for thee but not for me.

[Lookingforthetruth]

Also Biden's son had a pornhub account which had video footage of him sleepnig with underage girls. It's one of the reason that pornhub deleted his account and went on a massive wipping out of amateur content on their site after the story broke out of his illegal video on pornhub.

[genericname85]

@Lookingforthetruth bush should have been investigated by fbi for his crimes against humanity. so bill clinton and hilary clinton. horrible crimes against humanty. trump takes some papers from the white house and the fbi is all up in his ass. what a bunch of clowns.

[JohnK123]

The fbi looked into Hillary idiot

[genericname85]

@JohnK123 yeah they looked real hard and found nothing. just like they never found those weapons of mass destruction spoke off. wonder if those also just didn't exist like the "non gazprom gas" that joe biden sold to ukraine.

[genericname85]

Bush spoke of*

[worldscolide]

The left is getting desperate, which is good news for the right.

[monorprise]

This isn't good news for anyone. It really doesn't matter what they find be it political dirt or the criminal dirt they claim to be looking for.

None of that matters compared to deterring presidents from peacefully stepping down from power precedent they are setting with this act.
If their successor who just ran an ugly political campaign against them can do this, its only a matter of time before a president decides he would rather not.

Being able to hand pick the leaders of the military and every part of the Government any President so planning would certainly be able to to make a strong run a being dictator as Latin American presidents using our same basic system have done on a regular basis.

[Fuentes]

TRUMP 2024 IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT ULTRA MAGA!!! 🇺🇸 🇺🇸