Did Trump violate the Espionage Act or obstruct justice?

[msc545]

The search warrant for Trump's residence cited three criminal laws, all from Title 18 of the United States Code. Section 793, better known as the Espionage Act, which covers the unlawful retention of defense-related information that could harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary; Section 1519, which covers destroying or concealing documents to obstruct government investigations or administrative proceedings; and Section 2071, which covers the unlawful removal of government records.

He would never do things like this

He might have

Yeah, he probably did

[NewsReader]

It's unclear at the time of this writing

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-lawyer-june-said-classified-material-had-been-returned-ny-times-2022-08-13/

[goaded]

That would be the obstruction of justice crime, then. Trump knew he still had classified documents.

[lightbulb27]

Probably… but when we get deep into this… is there a good definition for “did”.


I wonder if he destroyed or had destroyed all the computer disc drives like prior presidents.


Could be in big trouble … I’m sure we will find out… or maybe he will escape to Russia

[exitseven]

It has now been discovered that all documents in Trump's house were declassified before Trump left the White House. Trump now demands that everything contained in those boxes be made public so America will know that this was just another witch hunt from a frightened democratic party.

[msc545]

It most certainly has NOT been discovered.

[exitseven]

It has been discovered it just has not been reported by the fake news. Trump's attorney made the statement. It seems that his rule when he was president was to have any material that he took out of the white House be declassified. I think he knew that the democrats would pull something like this and he was covering his butt.

[msc545]

You really cannot keep resorting to the "fake news" trope to support all of your points. You are better than that.

[exitseven]

I stand by my comment. I ddi not hear squat about this on fake news but it was on fox and I heard it on a couple of radio stations.

[msc545]

Fox and radio stations. Really.

[exitseven]

@msc545 yes, it is really obvious how slanted the fake news is. The only good thing is is that hardly anyone watches is anymore. I don't know how CNN stays on the air with only a few dozen viewers. There are old Gunsmoke reruns on the Insp channel that has more viewers than CNN.

[msc545]

What makes it obvious to you?

[exitseven]

There were so many things thar President Trump did that was really good for America and most working class people and yet you never heard a peep about it. Biden has ruined America in just 18 months and nobody talks about all the failures and disasters he caused.

[msc545]

There were so many things that Trump did that brought shame on the US that half the country (or more) wants him in prison.

[exitseven]

what did Trump ever do that brought shame on the US? I bet you really cannot think of anything. Foreign countries hated him because he was tough on the NATO deadbeats and got us out of the WHO. It was good for America but bad for them.

[msc545]

His public pronouncements and scandals with prostitutes were enough.

[exitseven]

Everyone was aware of his private life. That was not even an issue and the rest of the world really didn't care either. They were more concerned about getting foreign aid and other forms of payoffs and were pissed when the gravy train stopped.

[msc545]

I cared and many others cared. He made us all look like trash.

[exitseven]

This is what really compromises the US on the world stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY

[msc545]

if it were only that it would not be as bad as it is.

[exitseven]

I agree. Corruption is bad enough but when you put incompetence and mental decline on top of that it is disastrous.

[IAteTwoFullHams]

I'd say I'm about 85% sure that's exactly what happened. That when he got voted out of office, he took several boxes of nuclear secrets with him.

But I guess we'll see, as more information drips out.

[jshm2]

Both and more, which is why he's pleading the 5th.

He'll be joining his buddy Epstein, it seems

[FilmGuy93]

What makes the search warrant situation interesting is that Trump never even denied having the documents and he was working with the government in the way the documents are being handled. I’m not sure that I understand what their argument is.

[msc545]

Their argument is that they asked for them back both verbally and via subpoena and he refused.

[Friendlybro79]

I think it's safe to say he might have but no one here is going to actually know until it unfolds. Anything we say is just opinion

[TroyDT]

Not likely. Any POTUS has authority to declassify. He will argue that he declassified everything before or as he took it, which obviously had to be before he left office. He's a clown, but if anything the FBI just handed him the 2024 election.

[goaded]

The crimes mentioned in the warrant don't rely on classification of documents, just their content.

[mr4435669]

I think so, but if he is guilty, Donald Trump should be pardoned, because he is the only one capable of killing progressivism.

[anylolone]

If he did, they would have found out way earlier.

[goaded]

Both, many times over.

[Anonymous]

Nope, he did not.

[Opinion Owner]

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