Why is Election Fraud only on the Right?

[OddBeMe]

Part 24

[Goforit1010]

You're full of ca-ca!

In that picture showed, that information is "supposedly" being "shared" AFTER the voting is done, not WHILE the voting is taking place.

In EVERY instance of voter fraud I've seen over the past 25yrs, its ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS in favor of Democrats. So now tell me how the right is cheating and is supporting Democrat candidates?

Is that why the 20 people charged with voter fraud in FL last week were charged because they voted multiple times for a Republican candidate? No sir.

[exitseven]

The 2020 election was clearly stolen. There were 1000+ people who were willing to testify to numerous counts of voter fraud, the few investigations that were conducted were not done very thoroughly but most were just ignored. A movie was made about the election that was suppressed. I watched it before it was wiped from the internet and it was very compelling. I am watching to see what the Democrats will do this year. They know if they can create chaos by having a pandemic or some other emergency they can get away with it again. The big question is what will they use as a smokescreen this time?

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[Anonymous]

Because by cheating the system is the only way they can win.

[TroyDT]

With 150,000,000+ ballots cast it is absurd to think that no fraud took place. But the tens of thousands in the exact states needed to flip the election? Laughable. And both sides accuse the other. (loser in 2004, 2016, and 2020) Simple reason? 99% of politicians are self-serving clowns. For example, if those crossing the border without authorization were thought to be likely to support the Republicans 3 to 1, the Republicans would flip on "border security" and the Democrats would want to build a wall.

[Agagagagaga]

We don’t want illegal immigrants in our country for a plethora of reasons beyond their tendency to vote Democrat.

[goaded]

@Agagagagaga Illegal immigrants don't vote, that's a lie. It's illegal, for a start, and would you risk your freedom to cast a vote that probably wouldn't matter?

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded lol! The common, "illegals don't vote because it's against the law" argument. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? I guess I could ask you, does a valid state ID, that was obtained illegally, make you a legal citizen?

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 You don't actually have an example of an illegal immigrant voting illegally, while I can come up with multiple Republicans who voted for relatives, dead or alive, or tried to. If you have a fake ID, why would you intentionally go somewhere where it's likely to be checked and get you locked up or deported? Do you know how stupid that sounds?

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded www.fairus.org/.../noncitizens-voting-violations-and-us-elections

[Slingblade1126]

There is definitely a disconnect between reality and fantasy. I refer cases every year to federal prosecutors about noncitizens, not only voting in federal elections but also receiving federal benefits.

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 The 2014 study your link references in the "highlights" is used as an example of how not to do a study when talking about very low frequency events. The very next "highlight" is factually wrong: the UK does check voter identities, just not with photographic ID. I think the whole thing can be taken with a pile of salt.

www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0261379415001420
"The advent of large sample surveys, such as the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES), has opened the possibility of measuring very low frequency events, characteristics, and behaviors in the population. This paper documents how low-level measurement error for survey questions generally agreed to be highly reliable can lead to large prediction errors in large sample surveys, such as the CCES. The example for this analysis is Richman et al. (2014), which presents a biased estimate of the rate at which non-citizens voted in recent elections. The results, we show, are completely accounted for by very low frequency measurement error; further, the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0."

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded um, the study you tried to refute, wasn't the study I linked you to. Also, that study I linked you to, gave state by state examples and was peer reviewed. What you gave me was a pile of shit.

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 As you'd know if you'd read your own link, you'd have seen its third Key Highlight was "In 2014, a study estimated that approximately 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted in the 2008 presidential election and that 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm elections.". I looked at the full report (clicked the link "View the Full Report": www.fairus.org/.../Noncitizens-Voting-0720.pdf ) to see what the study was www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0261379414000973 . Then I almost immediately found another saying it had let's say "methodological problems" (that's a polite way of saying it was full of shit).

The UK "Key Highlight" thing I knew was crap having voted in the UK in the past.

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded At the time of the article I linked you to, the UK didn't require voter ID. Also, your link is a pile of shit for two reasons. #1: They did exactly what they accused the study of doing. They cherry picked flaws in the study, while dismissing everything else. Their central argument was people being polled checked the wrong boxes. Citizens that voted, supposedly marked "non citizens" and non citizens supposedly marked the "I voted" box, even though they didn't. Of course they provide no evidence.#2: They dismissed the evidence when it came to states cleaning voter registration. Thousands of illegals were currently registered throughout the country and thousands of them had voted in previous elections. They even gave an example of a Canadian woman voting in federal elections since 2000. If you read the foot notes, you'll see links to dozens of illegals voting and being prosecuted.

[Slingblade1126]

Oh, your link said the PERCENT of non citizens voting is zero. What does that mean?

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 Dozens?

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded You asked me to provide you proof of ONE non citizen voting in a U. S election. Did I do that?

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 I did say you didn't have any examples, I suppose, and you've found one. One example is hardly going to tip a federal election, is it? Nor would Rosemarie Hartle, Elizabeth Bartman, Judy Presto, H. Edward Snodgrass and Denise Ondick who all voted for Trump while dead.

I'm just having this conversation because any claim that a large percentage of illegal immigrants vote is ridiculous (some right-wing sites claimed "up to 2.8 million"). (By the way, was the Canadian Christine Chernosky?)

Did you look at how the CCES works in election years? They ask the same people (tens of thousands) two sets of questions, one set before and one set after the election. As far as I can see, 86 answered they were non-citizens both times, and 56 others apparently changed their minds (or possibly status) between the two questionnaires. That's 56 people who obviously made a mistake one of those two times. None of the 86 people who consistently said they weren't citizens said they voted, 4 of the ones who made a mistake said they did.

The point is that a couple of mistakes, multiplied up by tens of millions gives a very wide range of numbers, from 0 to 2.8 million. The truth is certainly not somewhere in the middle, or there would have been thousands of arrests. It's almost certainly near zero.

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded voting illegally is rarely if ever prosecuted. We know that by Texas having tens of thousands voting illegally. Most will just be taking off the voter registry. Only time arrest and prosecution it's even considered, is if another crime is committed, like receiving benefits. Trust me, I know. I also knew you would go from, "you can't give an example" to, any amount is "hardly going to tip a federal election. Do you understand that was never my claim?

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 How do you "know" Texas had tens of thousands voting illegally?

You didn't reference a single case when I confronted you about illegal immigrants voting, you went straight to a link that suggested hundreds of thousands did, which is obviously ridiculous. I argued against your most ridiculous claim. Of course, in 150,000,000 ballots there will be some that are cast illegally, like the dead Republicans, but nothing like the numbers you'd like to believe. They're not election result changing events.

Illegal voter purges, making it really hard to vote for certain demographics to cast their ballots, and passing laws that say officials can simply throw out tens of thousands of votes based on nothing but an accusation of wrong-doing are. And that's what Republicans have been doing.

[Slingblade1126]

@goaded those voters are taken off the registry because their names and s. s number don't match. You claim there would be thousands of arrests if illegal voting is that wide spread, which is a ridiculous reason to deny it's existance. So, let me ask you this, if tens of thousands of people are thrown off voter registry for being non citizens, where are all the law suits to have them put back on? Sure, there are a few but not thousands. Your main argument was, illegals wouldn't vote because they don't want to risk their freedom? They don't risk anything. I'm a prosecutor and have referred well over a hundred cases to fed prosecutors for non citizens voting (I actually help purge registries). Out of over 100 cases, only 2 were arrested and only one had a conviction. That conviction was for collecting disability benefits and identity theft. Wasn't even charged for voter fraud. You also keep bringing up something I never claimed. I never said it would have a drastic effect on elections. I also never said republicans don't do the same.

[Slingblade1126]

I do think we can find some common ground. You originally claimed non citizens don't vote. I think you now realize that wasn't an accurate statement. I also agree, that it isn't a big enough issue to effect an election.

[goaded]

@Slingblade1126 "You originally claimed non citizens don't vote. I think you now realize that wasn't an accurate statement. I also agree, that it isn't a big enough issue to effect an election." Well, that's something. I would point out that my statement's about as true as saying you don't eat rat shit, assuming you ever eat FDA permissable cocoa, cornmeal, spices, etc. You do, just not a noticable amount.

However, you're willing to parrot lies, like: "those voters are taken off the registry because their names and s. s number don't match" or "if tens of thousands of people are thrown off voter registry for being non citizens..." when that wasn't even the given reason for the 200,000 in Georgia I was talking about, and "tens of thousands of people" have never been "thrown off [a] voter registry for being non citizens", as far as I can see, at least not in one go.

Georgia purged twice as many voters — 1.5 million — between the 2012 and 2016 elections as it did between 2008 and 2012. Many (nearly 200,000) of them were purged on the basis that they'd moved, but they hadn't. In 2019, Texas sent letters to 95,000 people registered to vote on the basis that they weren't citizens, but not a single person was removed from the rolls because of it. Florida Republicans tried the same thing with 182,000 voters in 2015 before scaling it back to 2,600 (and even that list included eligible voters).

There aren't individual lawsuits because the people simply re-register to vote (after having their vote suppressed for at least one election), which is quicker and cheaper than waiting for the courts to rule, or they don't bother. (That said, one lawsuit in Georgia got 22,000 people's registrations reinstated, that's a lot more than any in-person voter fraud.) There are also multiple purge related lawsuits working their way through the courts https://acluga.org/?s=georgia+purge

[slatyb]

Because in much of the nation the Democrats are in the majority. The Republicans use "voter fraud" as a pretense for making voting more difficult for urban voters who tend to vote Democratic.

[Agagagagaga]

Yeah it’s terrible the way people get asked to show ID before voting. Racist even. 🙄

[slatyb]

@Agagagagaga It is, because the Republican-controlled legislatures carefully select the allowed IDs to make it difficult for people who don't drive. Voter fraud is nearly non-existent in this country in any case, so it's all about suppressing the urban vote.

[OddBeMe]

@Agagagagaga almost like asking gun owners to register their firearms with the govt.

[Agagagagaga]

Why does the government need to know what guns I have? What does that accomplish?

You’re the dumbasses who think it’d racist to ask people to show a goddamn ID to vote. Because it’s not like elections matter. Dumbass. 🙄

[NewsReader]

Ummm... Did you forget about Hillary Clinton and the Russia investigation? Do you not know about Bush v Gore? Election fraud claims happen every time.

[OddBeMe]

Neither of those are Dem fraud. If anything Obama let off Trump cronies who eventually went to jail for Russian collusion just so he didn't affect the election.

And you right wingers would never stop bitching if a left wing Scotus put Gore in the WH.

[NewsReader]

Russian collusion was election fraud according to democrats and their years-long investigation and lies. They claimed Trump got elected thanks to Putin's and other Russians' interference which is considered fraud. I was too young and not into politics to experience the Bush v Gore thing. I read about it later though. If that election was so scandalous then imagine what it would be like these days. The country has been getting more polarized since that election. There would be a civil war regardless which party controlled the supreme court. And you are using the term "Right Winger" in the wrong way when calling me that. I am "Center - Right" or "Lean Right". A "Right Winger" is usually used to describe someone who is strongly on the right. I am not one of those. I don't know your position on the political scale but obviously it's somewhere in the left hal of the line.

[OddBeMe]

How… when like a dozen of Trump’s cronies went to jail for colluding?

[NewsReader]

Okay, if you want to play this game then do some research on Obama administration. People like: Seth Andrew, Charles Edwards, Murali Yamazula. There were eight more people who were never charged because democrats had completely control over the justice department. Obviously they used it to their advantage by not charging anyone. And again, why do you keep playing partisan politics and name-calling when I am trying to have a more fair and neutral conversation? You are getting deep into your filter bubble or echo chamber which is not healthy.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah its awlays a fcking Dem conspiracy. Thats why our pedophilic pizza parties are never investigated. Jesus fckin christ.

[msc545]

Because they are the ones that have so much self-hatred they actually believe that fraud is the only way they can get anyone elected. In many cases they may be right about this. Don't forget that financial fraud also occurs primarily on the right.

[jshm2]

Because only right wing idiots believe in such conspiracies.

[Stoner710]

Why is voter suppression on the on the left?

[goaded]

It's not. Which states have had their new maps rejected by the courts?

[Stoner710]

@goaded Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Ohio and New York

[goaded]

And how many of those 5 have their maps created by Democrats?

While we're at it, what happened about 200,000 Georgians being removed from the voter rolls "because they'd moved" when they hadn't (as a quick check by the post office would have proven)? Or the aspects of Georgia's post-2020 maps being deemed "likely unlawful" by a judge, but allowed to stand?

[Stoner710]

@goaded 2 red 2 purple and 1 blue Ohio and Georgia and purple states Alabama is red of course and so is Louisiana (even though I think Louisiana has a democratic governor) New York is obviously very blue.

[goaded]

Georgia and Ohio both have a Republican governors, House and Senate. Voter suppression is about who's making the maps, not about who might win in the next election.

[Stoner710]

@goaded Georgia and Ohio do have republicans governors but Georgia has Jon Ossoff Erin Rafael Warnock as senators both democrats 6 of 13 districts are democratic Ohio does have more red then blue but the major cities are democratic per usual arrangement.

Now of course if voter suppression is about who’s making the maps then My state has major voter suppression why is white salmon in click attack County for example they tend to be a lot more blue up there and while the rest of the county votes republicans so it makes up barely red since we do have more republicans but white salmon screws the results same with Yakima county and Kittitas county (kittitas kinda makes sense because of the collage is ellensburg and young collage educated students tend to be more democratic then republican unless your me who was and independent back in 2016 not gonna lie I think I’ve fallen down the trap of anarchy because it seems like both right and left are terrible) but still someone needs to look at Washington voting districts

[goaded]

Of course voter suppression is about who's drawing the maps, and purging the voter rolls, and who's making it harder for people in more Democratic-leaning areas to vote. In Texas, the Republican governor has limited drop boxes to one per county, when county sizes range from 57 people to nearly 5 million. That's 7 boxes for half the population, 247 for the other half.

US senators have absolutely no say in redistricting, and the fact that they won in Georgia is precisely the reason why the state lawmakers and governor are trying to suppress the vote by gerrymandering the maps, etc..

[Stoner710]

@goaded I like how you didn’t address my point about Washington. So both sides Gerrymander therefore you cannot trust either side to write their own political map. If we can’t trust them to do that then you can’t trust them to do anything. So the logical conclusion would be get rid of government all together

[goaded]

So, because I ignored your gripe about a specific state (Washington), you ignore multiple egregious examples of Republicans in swing states suppressing the vote in urban areas (come on, 7 drop boxes out of 253 for half the population is supposed to be reasonable?)

And you come to the stupid conclusion that you should get rid of government, rather than just make the map-drawing and vote counting independent of partisan politics.

OK: Washington State. Biden won 58% of the vote. Democrats hold 57.1% of the Senate and 58.1% of the House. How is that not reasonable?

By comparison, Georgia: Biden and Trump both won slightly less than 49.5% of the vote each. Republicans hold 60% of the Senate, and 57% of the House.

Texas: Trump: 52%, Biden 46%, Republicans have 58% of the Senate, and 56% of the House.

Shall I continue?

[Stoner710]

@goaded sure go for it, Obviously Texas is red we know this, Obviously California is blue we know this so of course California and Texas are going to skew, Their districts to keep either side in power and California’s cases Democrats in Texas case it’s Republicans.

As far as Washington state goes I use that example because that’s the state I live in I think it’s unfair that Pierce Snohomish King counties how much county get to control the rest of us, hence why I’m very for localism. If goldendale wants to say F U To get it has county representative go for it if Kittitas county want to say F you to the state go for it in the state wants to say have you the file government which we have by legalizing marijuana (for the record I am all in support of the legalization of marijuana the federal government currently is not) so I’m using the state I live in as an example.

Georgia tends to be more of a republican state but because of the current senators and there’s a lot of major cities actually live in Georgia which we’ve established that major metropolitan areas tend to vote Democrat. Why do people outside of the major cities vote Republican I can literally think of any state in any major city in that state where this logic does not apply.

[Stoner710]

Dallas Houston and Austin down to vote Democrat everywhere else in Texas republican versus Texas is so big Republicans control Washington it in comparison is pretty small as far as population 7,705,2081 most live within those three counties. It is completely unfair that the rest of the 10 counties that vote Republican basically have no say on who represent us in the Senate or governor ship or our president. This is the great comparison to Texas and Washington I’m using Washington again because it’s my home state where I live.

As far as get rid of government it doesn’t seem like there’s a point they always fail what they do they don’t represent us what’s the point of having them? As far as the map goes just draw squares on a map. Let’s say there is a square that is 50 miles long (my number are fungible I am just making up some number here in my theory) then draw a 50 x 50 mile long and call that a county and these weird shaped crap the only state I can understand is I think it’s Michigan might be Wisconsin it’s one of those great Salt Lake Canada states. But there’s this little tiny part I think the town consist about 200 people which is technically in the United States but you have to drive through it that I can understand as far as the squares go but why not just draw squares

[goaded]

You still haven't addressed the totally fair 7 drop boxes for the urban half the population, 247 for the other half in Texas. That's not just gerrymandering, that's outright voter suppression. By Republicans. Or the Georgia voter roll purge (not to mention the guy who did that was taking part in the election he was in charge of).

Of the states I've looked at, Washington seems to be the one whose representation in the legislature most closely matches the overall state's vote for president. How is that unreasonable?

California: Biden 63% of the vote, Democrats 75% and 77% in the legislature.

Ohio: Trump 53%, Republicans 64% and 78% in the legislature.

New Hampshire: Biden 52%, Democrats 58% in the Senate, but Republicans hold the majority, 52%, in the House.

Washington State. Biden won 58% of the vote. Democrats hold 57.1% of the Senate and 58.1% of the House. How is that not reasonable?

Georgia: Biden and Trump both won slightly less than 49.5% of the vote each. Republicans hold 60% of the Senate, and 57% of the House.

Texas: Trump: 52%, Biden 46%, Republicans have 58% of the Senate, and 56% of the House.

[Stoner710]

@goaded no offense but I’m a dress since this in the morning. It’s 1 AM just leave a comment addressing last comment or something like that

[goaded]

I don't mind waiting until your morning for your opinion on how Republicans in Texas providing just 7 drop box locations for the urban half of their population and up to 247 for the rural half isn't voter suppression. Or the Republican law in Ohio against providing refreshments for people waiting for hours to vote because their urban areas don't have the resources to make voting quick and easy. Or Republican Georgia's purging of 200,000 voters who hadn't actually moved, as the state claimed in 2016. Or whatever new trick Georgia is going to use this year to suppress the Democratic vote (giving Republican lawmakers the ability to throw out votes based on evidence-free accusations, isn't it?).

Night night!

[Stoner710]

@goaded so the refreshments in Ohio could be used considered to be a bribe regardless of which party is handing them out. “Here a coke vote for joe Biden”. Or “here’s a beer vote for trump” that is basically the party handing out water or beer or coke or granola bars as a bribe which is illegal. Prevent venues like a taco truck wouldn’t be considered a bribe because your paying the taco truck owner for your refreshments.

As far as Texas goes they want people to vote in person so they know who is voting and they can check legal status. Remember Texas is a hot bed for illegal immigration the drop boxes don’t allow them to check weather or not someone is legally able to vote in the state of Texas. So no that’s not voter suppression that’s trying to make sure the vote are legal.

Georgia removing 200,000 voters was them trying to make sure dead people don’t vote because they died and someone Doesn’t votes for there dead grandmother and vote for either Biden or trump or whom ever is running. If they made a mistake and unregistered an alive voter who was in the state who could legally vote they made a mistake which is typical human error. Which happens all the time

[goaded]

Nope, nope, and nope. Cool stories, though.

Ohio's voter suppression is making voters in predominantly Democratic voting areas wait in line for hours. Nobody's going to wait that long and then change their vote for a free drink of water.

The ballots in the drop boxes have the same security mechanisms as mail-in ballots. Having just 7 for half the population and 247 for the half that's likely to vote Republican is obviously voter suppression.

I already told you, the 200,000 people who were removed from the voter rolls for having "moved", according to the Republican Secretary of State who was organising his own election to governor, had not moved. They were still registered at the same address by the post office, and checking that was a legal requirement.

[Stoner710]

@goaded Texas as a state doesn’t trust mail in voting it was a thing in 2020 because of the pandemic, the reality is mail in voting should be banned.

Ohio same thing with mail in ballots if people don’t want to stand outside and vote that’s there problem many would argue we actually have to many that we have to many people voting there was a video going around where young people in the United States couldn’t say what the capital is or how many stars on the American flag they couldn’t even say which country the queen of English is the queen of people like that probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Remember only land owners could vote originally in the United States the founds would actually subject we have to many people voting in the United States

As far as Georgia goes the 2020 election was very controversial for the state of Georgia and some how joe Biden won the state after they stopped counting at 10 and somehow people were coming out of the building at 2am and how out more boxes were found that favored joe Biden Georgia probably should be investigated for election fraud

[goaded]

"Voting by mail in Texas has been available to elderly voters and voters with physical disabilities for decades". www.votetexas.gov/voting-by-mail/index.html

"if people don’t want to stand outside and vote that’s there problem"
That would be a reasonable argument if the wait was the same for everyone, and not five minutes for Republican-leaning areas and nine hours in Democratic-leaning areas. That's the voter suppression being imposed by the Republican legislature in Ohio. It's essentially a poll tax of a day's pay to vote, but only for urban voters.

"we have to many people voting in the United States"
No. You just know that an informed electorate won't vote Republican. If you want voters to know these things, improve education.

Georgia is investigating attempted election fraud. By Lindsay Graham and Donald Trump. The rest is just propaganda.

[Stoner710]

@goaded right so voters like me should never be allowed to have a mail in ballot until we’re 65 in Texas.

The reason why the lines are longer in democratic areas is because democrats tend to live in cities which has a lot more population then republicans areas so it’s not voter suppression unless a large population is voter suppression

[goaded]

Bullshit. The reason the lines are longer in democratic areas is that there aren't sufficient resources put in place that people can vote without standing in line for hours. That's a deliberate choice by the Republican legislatures to suppress the vote.

Texas had more mail-in voters in 2016 than New York. Over half a million. A larger percentage of the population than in 20 other states. I wonder what the results would have been if they'd been excluded in favour of people turning up at polling stations.
ballotpedia.org/.../mail-in_voting,_2016-2018

[dustybiker]

They who benefit….

[MrTaboo]

Because the Dems don't want anyone to look at them.

[Cubus]

Never heard about Soviet Union.