Do Jews have a birthright to the land of Israel?

[JustiReno]

Will leave the question open …

[Avicenna]

Good job of asking a question that would bring out some of the anti-Semites on this forum.

Here's what I will say- Jews have a strong historical link to the land of Israel and they need their own state as a refuge should they be persecuted.

Incidentally, for those who don't know- more Israeli Jews are descended from Jews that were persecuted and expelled by the Middle Eastern countries they had lived in for centuries than are descended from those who came from Europe as refugees after they survived the Holocaust.

The Palestinians are primarily descended from people who came from other Arab lands.

[Agagagagaga]

I find it interesting that everywhere the Jews go in the world, across the breadth of human history, sooner or later the people decide they don’t like them there and want them to GTFO.

But everyone else is the bad guy.

🙄🤣

[Avicenna]

@Agagagagaga: That is a gross distortion of history and making excuses for things that should never be done to people. So you’re claiming the Holocaust and the numerous pogroms against Jews in Europe over the centuries were justified?

[rtj1211]

You know, the biggest problem about the Jewish tradition is that non-Jews are not allowed to challenge them in any way whatsoever without being called 'anti-semitic'.

Here's the reality: the following sectors are ridiculously over-controlled by Jewish people:
1. Banking.
2. Hollywood Studios i. e. propaganda and brainwashing.
3. The MSM - more propaganda and brainwashing.

Also, 330 million US citizens are paying ridiculous amounts of money to fund less than 10 million people in Israel. Ridiculous amounts.

Finally, Israel has outrageous control over far too many senators and congressfolk via AIPAC - a totally disgraceful organisation that thinks that everything is about the Jews and nothing else.

If Jews don't want people really hating them and being violent to them, then they need to face up to the fact that in a country where they represent < 5% of the population, no way should they be controlling the terms of democratic debate.

If you think what I have said is anti-semitic, you need to see a shrink.

I don't hate a single Jew for being Jewish, but I do hate certain Jewish organisations for being absolutely racist against non-Jews in terms of the outcomes they seek, if not the language they use.

They've had you lot in the US under their thumbs for 50 years. Now they are doing the same in my country, the UK.

Until it is acceptable to be an MP, a Senator or a Congressperson who considers the Jewish people and the State of Israel to simply be irrelevant to the priorities of either the USA or the UK, then you have a racist political system beholden to the tiny population of Jews.

Think about what I have said hard. It's what millions of people need to think about.

No outbursts, no calling me an anti-semite.

Just face up to reality, please.

[Avicenna]

@rtj1211: You don't post hateful garbage like that and tell someone what they cannot say in response. If you don't think what you posted is anti-Semitic, you need professional help. And it's not accurate either. But how dare Jews have an organization!

As for your complaints about money going to Israel, what was requested for 2022 was $3.3 billion as well as $500 million for missile defense (the US and Israel do joint R&D on missile defense, among other areas). That money is required to be spent on US defense systems and ends up returning a lot more than is disbursed.

www.jewishexponent.com/.../

Yeah, a really ridiculous amount of money. Around 1% of the federal budget even before you consider what the US gets for that money.

[Lliam]

Absolutely not.

The true descendants of the Hebrews were already in Palestine, and had been living side by side with Christians and Muslims for centuries. Palestine had been a peaceful, bucolic place frozen in time, where people visited from all over the world to visit holy sites. It was called The Holy Land.

The new colonists, however, are not descendants of the Hebrews, Israelites, or Judeans. They are descendants of Europeans who converted and who adhere to Talmudic Law. They have no connection to the land that has been Palestine. They have absolute disdain for not only Gentiles, but any who do not follow Talmudic Law.

Jews don't need a homeland. They are not in danger. Does the guy from New York who evicts a Palestinian family from the home that has been in their family for hundreds of years do it because he is in danger?

What these people have done and continue to do to Palestine and Palestinians is monstrous. They have no right to that land.

[Lliam]

Thanks for the MHO, JustiReno.

[Lynn7dsd]

yeah, they do; even i have a birth right to israel i think even though my great great grandmother was jewish

[TheBigWhistle]

The British government granted them the land to create a Jewish homeland which became the country of Israel, so they have a legal right to it which is all that matters. Different groups will always claim they have a birthright to certain lands but the control and occupation of those lands have changed numerous times over the course of history in every region in the world. Claims of birthrights are meaningless.

[Torosblanca96]

Do I have a birthright to house I was brought into when I was first born into the world? God isn't a real estate agent and the jews expulsion out of Judea by the romans was punishment for rejecting christ as the jews kept doing to every other prophet, with Moses they built a golden calf, several occasions they would adopt paganism and burn their babies to a pagan deity and hope to being good luck.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Ken. Na`am. Yes, We do. By land of Israel, I mean Palestine as well. I just don’t know why so many countries won’t accept someone with an Israeli passport, and how Drew Binsky managed to travel to every country in the world.

[Berethor]

Of course, arabs come from the arabian peninsula, while jews come from judea.

[andreasderjuengere]

Some old texts say so.

Unclear to me, however, is WHERE exactly this ''land of Israel'' is located 😎.

[Sandeeppingping]

Yes, historically speaking, before muslims showed up it was their land

[NamerOfStars]

Legally, yes. I nhink they do; morally is a much tougher question.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I don't know well the history of that. They say Palestine was living there before all the jews can from Europe and took their land.

[OddBeMe]

People should have a public right to enter any country and live there.

[888theGreat]

God gave them the land , so yep.

[Goforit1010]

YES!

[QuietRunner]

yes they do

[Anonymous]

Nope /thread