What actually happened on Martha’s Vineyard once the migrants were discovered?

[msc545]

Restaurants provided free food, cots were set up in a church, and a Spanish-language Mass was organized. Residents gave bedding, toiletries, and candy. Lawyers for Civil Rights Boston filed a class-action suit against DeSantis and other Florida state officials, alleging that the migrants had been victimized by a “fraudulent and discriminatory scheme.”

In other words, migrants were treated like human beings.

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DeSantis faces legal problems, including an investigation by a Texas sheriff, who called it a “predatory” operation, a federal class-action lawsuit by the migrants alleging a “premeditated, fraudulent, and illegal scheme,” and a Democratic lawmaker’s state lawsuit challenging the governor’s use of a $12 million migrant relocation fund.

Oddly, none of the people on Martha's Vinyard or in Massachusets have any legal problems as a result of them supposedly "mistreating" the migrants.

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DeSantis has legal problems, including an investigation by a Texas sheriff, who called it a “predatory” operation, a federal class-action lawsuit by the migrants alleging a “premeditated, fraudulent, and illegal scheme,” and a Democratic lawmaker’s state lawsuit challenging the governor’s use of a $12 million migrant relocation fund.

[USLegionary]

Well if it'd like you say then all the more reason to send more ilegals to places the wealthy liberal elites congregate like Martha's Vineyard, the Hamptons, Newport, Manhattan, Aspen and elsewhere.

Boarder states have been dealing with Mass ilegal immigration for some time and are struggling to keep up. If we as a country are going to continue to allow mass ilegal immigration then its only right that the biggest supporters of this and every state share the burden of this.

If liberal states are serious about this then instead of filing lawsuits against DeSantis they should be sending buses down to Florida themselves offering to collect thousands of ilegals and bring them up to Martha's vineyard.

I mean wealthy elite Martha's vineyard are vittue signaling that they had to find 50 beds and feed 50 people when cities and towns in the boarder states are doing this everyday with hundreds of thousands of ilegals. Martha's vineyard is a huge holiday resort that sits empty most of the year.

[OlderAndWiser]

Difficult to see how the illegals were "victimized" when they were treated well.

[msc545]

They were treated well when they got there - not before.

[OlderAndWiser]

Hypocrisy seems to be an inevitable component of human nature.

[msc545]

yes.

[msc545]

Chalk it up to attempts to resolve the discomfort of cognitive dissonance

[USLegionary]

How were they mistreated? They were offered an opportunity to travel to a wealthy holiday resort where there was less ilegals

[msc545]

@USLegionary They were initially lied to.

[USLegionary]

Lied to about what. A free bus trip to one of the wealthiest parts of the country?

[msc545]

@USLegionary It started with lies about the destination before they ever left.

[Agagagagaga]

@msc545 Ya gonna remove this comment too? 😂

[USLegionary]

Boarder states are under too much pressure to house, feed, cloth and find work for the legions of ilegal immigrants that come everyday. If we aren't going to deport them all then they need to be bused to northern states especially sanctuary cities that clearly have room for them.

[OlderAndWiser]

Thanks for MHO!

[NotTacocaT6969]

This just makes me think of all of the immigrants the USA is currently housing in over-crowded cages.


Now THAT is worthy of a lawsuit regarding mistreatment. Not being treated better than the average tourist at one of the most famous vacation spots on the planet.

[USLegionary]

But if wealthy elite holiday resort Martha's vineyard has all these empty beds perhaps more should be sent there, perhaps send buses down to Florida themselves to collect ilegals. If we are as a country going to continue to allow mass ilegal immigration perhaps every state, city and town should share the burden by taking them in.

[Friendlybro79]

@USLegionary These migrants weren't and aren't illegal. They were seeking asylum and allowed to be here under law. Please understand this. It's been all over the news that they're aren't illegal unless you only watch Fox or OAN or Newsmax.

Also cities like NY who fund other states with all of our tax revenue are taking them in so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

[Friendlybro79]

I misspoke. I meant states like NY pay more in federal taxes than we receive less in federal spending.

[USLegionary]

@Friendlybro79 entering the US without a visa or crossing the boarder illegally is ilegal.
New York isn't taking enough.

[msc545]

@USLegionary Under US law, it is NOT illegal if a person is seeking asylum.

[USLegionary]

Seeking asylum is not ilegal if you legally have permission to enter the United States.
Illegal immigration to the United States is the process of migrating into the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. This can include foreign nationals (aliens) who have entered the United States unlawfully,[ as well as those who lawfully entered but then remained after the expiration of their visas, parole, TPS, etc. Hence why it is called illegal immigration.

[NaultD]

@USLegionary use some common sense. You believe you're going to die on one side of the line. The only way to stay alive is crossing that line. You can't wait for permission to cross that line because of death.

People on the safe side of the line with common sense should recognized that and understan that's what asylum means. You have to get to a safe place to seek asylum that means crossing the border first then go through the paper work in a safe place.

[USLegionary]

@NaultD again seeking asylum is not ilegal entering the country to live here is.

[msc545]

@USLegionary Bullshit. How many immigration asylum cases have you worked on or testified in? I have done many as an expert on PTSD and the effects of torture, for people who snuck across the border in the dead of night and claimed asylum. The only issue was adjudicating the asylum claim, and the border crossing was irrelevant at that point.

You can saty whatever you want here, but most of what you say is your own unsupported opinion.

[Friendlybro79]

@USLegionary Yeah you can say what you want but you're wrong about them being here illegally. I do think all states need to take more people in when it is because of seeking asylum. Fully grasp how bad it is elsewhere and then know these people are human... Imagine how hard someone would be willing to work if they had a shot at having a job with fair wages and the safety and security that a country like ours can offer it's citizens. I've met many people from countries like Venezuela and Mexico that have seemed asylum and they're so thankful to be here and be productive and pitch in the on society. I think that's great. Seeking asylum is a way to get here legally. Keep hiding behind that they're illegal instead of admitting (can't say you for sure as I don't know you) but the avg Republican voter isn't more about keeping people out because they're racist.

[USLegionary]

@Friendlybro79 seeking asylum or not entering the US illegally is still ilegal making them ilegal immigrants. You can try to change the pharsing but the fact is they are here illegally.

[Friendlybro79]

@USLegionary It does matter and you're debating if they're legal or not..

www.politifact.com/.../
From link above:

"There is debate over whether people who cross the border to apply for asylum are entering the country illegally. However, once a person has an asylum application in process, they are allowed to remain in the U. S. as they await a decision."

So even if they crossed illegally they are now here legally based on the statement above. So like I said they're actually here legally now while they await if asylum is approved..

You're hanging onto part of what is happening and ignoring the rest to make your point they shouldn't be here... That is your opinion. They can be here and God willing will get path to legal citizenship and get the same opportunity any human being should have.

[USLegionary]

@Friendlybro79 nope you can apply for anything doesn't change the fact thst they entered the country illegally.

[Friendlybro79]

@USLegionary It doesn't matter how stubborn you are but they are still allowed here anyway while they wait on the decision. Keep saying what you want. It's ok that your opinion is they shouldn't be here if that's what's in your heart. There isn't a magical line everywhere showing where the border is always. They try to get here legally and are usually met by border patrol and from there they start getting processed to seek asylum. So regardless of your semantics they're trying to become legal but travel for over a month through several countries or more trying to figure it out... Could you figure it out? Doesn't matter they crossed illegally.. lol I got it.. you see in black and white... Regardless they're here now and I wonder who'll they'll be voting for when they do become citizens after finding how many Republicans despise them for just wanting a life where their families lives are safe. Just like you... Trade places with them for a month and see how long you don't try to run the hell for the border.

[USLegionary]

@Friendlybro79 still ilegal and have broken the law. Yiu can change the phrasing to undocumented immigrants but they are still ilegal immigrants

[Friendlybro79]

@USLegionary They're still allowed to be here. Keep going in circles with me. It's fine

[_Just_A_girl_]

I want to see this place. Who's Martha by the way

[USLegionary]

If you can afford to go there should currently be about 150'000 accommodations to pick from

[msc545]

@USLegionary Have you been there, or is this just more of your opinion?

[USLegionary]

It's a well documented fact. The year around population of Martha’s Vineyard is 17,000, it increases to 200,000 to cater to rich wealthy white elites in the summer months and its now currently October.
I worked a season there.

[msc545]

@USLegionary How long ago did you work there?

[USLegionary]

Spring to end of summer. Seasonal work.

[_Just_A_girl_]

@USLegionary nice

[msc545]

@USLegionary Documented where and by whom?

[USLegionary]

By the US cenus and tourist office. its information you can look up yourself very easily

[msc545]

@USLegionary Link it please. You asserted it.

[USLegionary]

https://www.mvy.com/island-information.html

[msc545]

@USLegionary That many people visit - they don't stay there because there are not that many beds - literally.

[lightbulb27]

The Christians/Catholics took care of them, as they are inspired to do. Well done good and faithful servants! It's unfortunate we don't take as good a care of our own homeless, helpless, and lost, but that's another matter. We don't know what political affiliation those people are... it doesn't matter since their higher calling is to Christ.

Those in power decided to remove the people from the area, to where, I don't know, why, I don't know.

Democratic cities should be bussing the people out of Texas and Florida. Why? Because why would they want these people in the hands of republican run governments? They are sanctuary cities.

[USLegionary]

Maybe the burden shouldn't just be on boarder states but shared by northern states too. How many sanctuary cities are busing ilegals by the thousands?

[lightbulb27]

@USLegionary agree. and once the towns reach their limit of people, people with tuberculosis or covid infections, ms13 members, or fentanyl deaths, or just lack resources... then we can have a border again and try to limit illegal intake.
To be fair though... maybe they can be refugees of failed states... and we have moral obligation to take them in until their countries are better shape.

[USLegionary]

That's been the argument for ilegal immigration since the 80s.

[exitseven]

Yes, until they were shipped off the island on the freight boat like cattle. Wheter or not they were mistreated is not the issue. It is the fact that they were not welcome to stay and become a part of the community. The people of the Vineyard talk a good game. They put up signs all over the island like this one.

But when it came to welcoming them to the community they immediately called the Governor and had 125 National Guardsmen come over with two busses and take them off on the freight boat. They were not even allowed to take the same ferry as the rich people and tourists. They said that they had no facilities for them. Well, lots of other cities and towns had no facilities but the illegal aliens came anyway and there was nobody in those communities with enough influence to call the Governor and have them shipped elsewhere.

[USLegionary]

Sounds like they were mistreated if they weren't given the choice to stay in Martha's vineyard and were forcibly evicted to a national guard bar at the point of a gun

[exitseven]

@USLegionary I suppose that is true. I once went to Nantucket with the intention of camping someplace for a week. There are no public campgrounds and we could not find anyplace that was remote enough that somebody would not see us. It was apparent that people that did not belong there were not welcome. If we camped out in the woods someplace we probably would have been arrested for vagrancy.

[USLegionary]

I worked in Martha's vineyard and this was the case. I seen a few Hispanics that had arrived looking for work escorted out of town by local police after spending a night in the local jail. Apperently it happens all the time.

[exitseven]

@USLegionary I believe it

[jshm2]

The were mislead and even kidnapped to an extent. The case is being built but some of them were on those buses due to false pretenses fed by Desantis and Abbot. That is illegal, even in a shit hole like the USA.

[Jamesshinobi]

no they werent. if you listened to them instead of the fake news talking for them

[FilmGuy93]

No shit they were treated well; there was barely any that got shipped up. DeSantis’ stunt wasn’t about punishing immigrants, it was about letting the people who want to financially support the migrants to pay for it themselves.

[USLegionary]

I agree. If liberals were serious up in Martha's vineyard rather virtue signaling about having to take care of a measly 50 ilegals and having their politicians file lawsuits they'd be sending more buses down to Florida to collect ilegals

[NewsReader]

And the Vineyard owners started complaining that they don't have enough resources so it's time to send them elsewhere. Yup. Not in my backyard.

[USLegionary]

Agreed even though its a huge holiday resorts that's empty this time of year.

[Lliam]

Just Democrats being Democrats, acting like thugs, demanding compliance with their policies, and threatening all out war against anyone who doesn't.

[888theGreat]

Where does it say someone can't offer a free trip to someone? It doesn't. Liberal BS , same as with Trump, threats of jail , no proof. Democrats just invent laws that were broken.

Only fraud is Democrats inviting illegals to America and letting them vote which is illegal and a crime. DeSantis needs to send 100,000 to New York and Martha Vineyards

[USLegionary]

I agree. There are currently over 100,000 rooms free in Martha's vineyard.

[Jamesshinobi]

everyone here's opinion is irrelevent. we are going to keep bussing and flying them north until you close the fucking boarder.

[Snakeyes7]

Wow, it's almost like DeSantis did them a favor then if that's what really went down.

[USLegionary]

Exactly so why they taking him to court. According to the liberals Martha’s Vineyard was very accomodating and they left for another town of their own free will

[jimmy2]

They flew them to a military base

[MrTaboo]

And only 48 hours later, the white elitist Dems deported them off the island

[msc545]

Moving them to a place where they had further food and shelter is not exactly "deportation"

[MrTaboo]

Calling 150 guard members for 50 illegals, bussing them off THEIR island to a military base. Sounds racist and very elitist. When 2000 a day cross I to actaul boarder towns. Those asses are hypocritical.

[USLegionary]

I agree. The democrats virtue signaled about looking after 50 ilegals but at the end of it they did evict them from Martha's vineyard no matter how they spin it. Martha's vineyard is a huge holiday resort that's empty most of the year, they could have put them up until the spring but like in most of the places the liberal elites congregate like Martha's Vineyard, the hamptons, Aspen, Newport its exclusively for the uber wealthy and great pains have been taken to keep ilegals out in the past.

[msc545]

@USLegionary Put them up where exactly?

[USLegionary]

Empty rooms located all over Martha's Vineyard. The year round population of Martha's vineyard is 17,000, it increases to over 200,000 in the summer. Are you suggesting that they couldn't find 50 ilegals a room with a bed out of over 100'000 possible beds rather than have them all sleeping on airbeds in a church basement? You know treat them like human beings?
Luckily when liberals turned them away there were a few good Christian Conservatives to bear the burden.

[msc545]

@USLegionary Bullshit. Were you there?