Are you for or against the covid vaccine? Would you get it for a job?

[YoHoeRose]

For it!

Against it!

Against it, but would be willing to do It for work.

[NamerOfStars]

It's not a vaccine. Now, if it actually DID the same things, or even close to the same things, that would just be pedantry on my part- but it doesn't. All these demands for mitigation measures would be horrifically excessive even if they actually WORKED, but they don't- the shots don't stop Covid spreading, and the reduced symptoms mean you're arguably MORE likely to spread it, even if only because you don't realize you're infected. The argument was that they make it more likely you'll survive, but more building evidence suggests that may not actually be the case. If it weren't for the disgusting attempts at force, I'd just call it a form a witch-doctoring, but there are two critical reasons I don't:

1. Ever heard of Thalidomide? It was a cancer drug, and back in the late 50's, someone hit upon the idea of using it to treat morning sickness. Many European agencies were quick to recommend it, but the FDA insisted on waiting until proper testing had been done- which turned out to be UNAMBIGUOUSLY the right call. A massive wave of "Thalidomide babies" hit Europe, wracked with crippling lifelong birth defects- not lethal ones, usually, but some can be fairly gruesome, nonetheless; I wouldn't go hunting for pictures right after you eat. And in a way, it's even crueler to force something like that on a baby, to live out their whole lives completely unable to live independently or care for themselves, because they were born without arms (not hands, just ARMS). "Thalidomide" became a watchword for regulatory guidance and the importance of running proper tests before mass-acceptance of a new drug; I guess enough of the survivors of that era had died by the time these new shots came around that the public forgot. It also put a LOT more international regard and respect, if not formal power, in the hands of the FDA; we saw how well THAT worked out.

2. Remember high school biology? Specifically, remember reverse transcriptase? A cell encounters DNA (or RNA, messenger or otherwise) and copies it into its own code. Now, you may be thinking I'm going to bring up that TJU study showing that every human cell is transcriptase-capable, meaning that there's no such thing as "temporary" gene editing (not reliably, anyway), but I'm not; that study came out after the shots were made available, and it hasn't been corroborated by others yet, scary as it is. I'm going to bring up something ELSE from biology class: horizontal gene transfer. That's where cells exchange bits of genetic code with one code another; it's usually mediated between viruses. Now, what happens if some harmless cell happens to be floating through your bloodstream when it picks up the mRNA of the shot and learns to make the spike proteins Covid has, which are the core of what makes it so damn contagious? Well, you'll soon have a lot more of that cell- but that's not a cause for worry *in itself*, since the ratio of "cells within your body" to "cells OF your body" is about ten to one. But what happens if that DNA gets shared with another virus- one that actually IS dangerous? Would you like pneumonia that's as contagious as Covid? How about RABIES? Or maybe bird flu, a disease that can only spread from birds to humans, but has a fatality rate twice that of SMALLPOX, the plague that wiped out every North American Indian nation north of Mexico? And it gets better: that DNA can pass through a theoretically infinite number of viral generations before hopping to a dangerous one; some cowardly idiot may have ALREADY doomed human civilization ten thousand years down the line by setting up super-TB. Were measures taken to PREVENT something like that happening? Maybe- I probably don't have the knowledge to understand them if they were; I'm far from stupid, but I'm not a physician. But NOBODY is even talking about it, and anyone asking questions is shamed, silenced, or ignored. How good does THAT sound to you?

And the worst part? The widespread, panicked acceptance- no, demand- means that the only way to get to the genie back into the bottle is WITH horror. Either unspeakable suffering falls upon us now, or this goes into our collective memory as an acceptable course of action, and the fact that we got lucky this time means we won't hesitate NEXT time.

[Calenderagressive]

It does work...

[NamerOfStars]

@Calenderagressive Well, no, it doesn't; that's the problem. It DOESN'T keep people from getting sick and it DOESN'T keep them from spreading Covid; I'd have far less to complain about it if it did. The CDC's own data shows that after three or four months, it has *negative* efficiency, even in the area of "keeping people alive", which was the fallback position taken up when the "it stops spreading" argument fell apart.

[Calenderagressive]

That's how vaccines work...

You can't just take one vaccine and the disease will never affect you again, diseases mutate

[TheMoralCrusader]

@Calenderagressive It works if by working you mean giving people heart attacks and killing them. It doesn't work to keep anybody from getting sick though.

[NamerOfStars]

@Calenderagressive Vaccines work by providing immunity, or least FUNCTIONAL immunity. They do this by exposing you to a killed or weakened version of the pathogen, to prime your immune system against it. What these shots do is cause your body to produce mutant cells which have the same spike protein that Covid uses. If they filled the same FUNCTION as a vaccine, then again, my complaints would be academic- but they don't. After three months, efficacy is negative- you're MORE likely to die from Covid than you would be if you hadn't taken the shot. That wouldn't happen if it was just another mutation.

[Calenderagressive]

You're pretty close to the truth Actually except for the part it increases the chance you'll die

[Calenderagressive]

@TheMoralCrusader yeah it does...

[NamerOfStars]

@Calenderagressive It CAN'T "increase the chance you'll die", because that's currently locked in at 100% for all of us. What it CAN (and indeed does) do is increase the chance that Covid, when you contract it, will kill you- beyond a certain temporal distance. If it were acting like a vaccine, it would lower that chance, with the effectiveness gradually wearing off as more strongly mutated strains hit you. That's not what happens- it gets less effective, like a vaccine, but a vaccine will eventually zero out, leaving in the same boat as someone who never got it. The Covid shots leave you *weaker*, and MORE likely to die.

[Calenderagressive]

Ohhhh that's what you meant

[TheMoralCrusader]

@Calenderagressive The vax rolled out almost 2 and a half years ago. The information is out there the people the vax harmed and killed is public knowledge. Stop living in your echo chamber and look for the truth. Our goverment reports thousands dead from the vax on the VAERS website and the number is probably 100 times the number they are giving. I put reality over fake TV news that you are trusting.

[Calenderagressive]

@TheMoralCrusader i ain't using tv I'm literally friends with one of the people who worked on the omicron vaccine...

[TheUniqueOne96]

Against it.

I don't trust it, nor do I trust the death numbers.

Being from the UK, Boris Johnson got exposed for being a hypocrite (partying in lockdown) and all the vaccine experts like Premier League football players and managers promoting them suddenly stopped, as well as restrictions for the most part.

Someone I know works in the medical industry and has said some deaths are passed as covid ones when they weren't either.

Combine that with the fact anything that questions the 'science' that's pushed on a more mainstream level, like counter studies are automatically suppressed and deemed as misinformation, just makes it sound all the more dodgy and like there's something else going on or there's some kind of political agenda behind it - there's also something about vaccine companies not being able to get sued if side effects occur after a certain date.

Personally, I've had covid at least once (I didn't feel good when I had it either), but this combined with the above, just makes it seem like it's massively exaggerated, although I'm going going to say that some can't potentially die from it or at least fall ill.

Yeah, we don't know the long term effects of it, but the same could be said for the vaccine and we'll see what happens in a few years time when the damage may potentially be done or if some new 'disease' comes out around the time vaccine side effects kick in, so they can't blame the vaccine.

[petitedollbabee]

Each to their own, if you want it, get it. If you don’t want it, then don’t get it. Everyone is in charge of their own body. Personally I’m against it for myself, and I wouldn’t get the jabs just for a job. I had the first shot and it gave me chest complications for 6 months following so I never got any more shots, and I wouldn’t put my heart at even more risk of failure just for a job. But that’s my thoughts on the vaccine for MYSELF, and no one else gets to dictate what I do with my body.

[Anonymous]

One of the questions I ask candidates on their application form is "have you had the covid jabs?"
I don't really care about their health but it filters out the crazies. I can't afford to waste time on people who follow conspiracy theories or have extremist political views.

[Anonymous]

“In the late 1960s, a cluster of teen girls and young women showed up at Massachusetts General Hospital and were diagnosed with a rare vaginal cancer, clear cell adenocarcinoma. It’s unusual even when it’s diagnosed in elderly women, but it was completely out of context in twentysomethings.

One woman, the mother of one of the affected girls, asked whether it could be connected to the drug she took in early pregnancy. That drug was DES, or diethylstilbestrol, which was widely prescribed in the U. S. beginning in 1940 to help stave off miscarriage — until 1971, when the U. S. Food and Drug Administration decided that the drug doesn’t work and that it causes cancer.”

https://healthland.time.com/2011/10/06/des-daughters-now-banned-drug-linked-to-infertility-prematurity-and-cancer/

FDA approved and on the market for nearly 30 years. Think of all the women who got cancer and who couldn’t have families. Thank God it got that FDA approval.

And yet many of you took something that was barely tested, rushed through clinical trials under political pressure, and that the drug companies can’t be held liable for. You let that get injected into your body. More than once.

Hopefully nothing happens in a few years and we don’t start seeing increases in cancer or infertility or other health effects. We really don’t know. 🤷‍♂️

[MCheetah]

Nope, and I never got it either. I'll never be forced to get a useless, ineffective vaccine only being pushed out so pharma billionaires can make money and I kinda wish all the retards not in the Big Pharma club, who tried to force others to get it, would die a slow painful death from it. You wanna be a guinea pig for Pfizer while virtue signaling about how much of a "good person" you are for being a Useful Idiot? So be it. But you can f*ck off if you think I'm going to be.

And I agree with others; this question is dated AF.

[SecretsofKB]

Yeah, I would recommend that anyone who can get it, get it. Nurse here. I have been treating COVID patients since spring of 2020. Since the vaccine came out, the overwhelming majority of my patients (in an ICU) have be unvaccinated patients.

This will be disliked on this site...(go ahead)... but it is the truth. The vaccine works. It keeps you out of the hospital and alive.

[TheMoralCrusader]

No that is not true at all. We are the ones who are have not even been sick. Stop spreading disinfo.

[SecretsofKB]

@TheMoralCrusader Unvaccinated people haven't been sick? Sure. There are plenty of unvaccinated that haven't gotten sick, just as there are plenty of vaccinated that haven't gotten sick.

I am referring to COVID related ICU stays. The vast majority of my patients here that are COVID are unvaccinated. So I'm glad you have your own beliefs, but don't tell me what I see with my own eyes is disinformation.

Have a fantastic rest of your day...

[TheMoralCrusader]

Be honest here. Ventilators killed these people not any virus. Viruses are not what they tell us. We need to experience a virus to detox our bodies. Throwing people on ventilators that don't need to be on them only gets them killed and that was your "pandemic". Something that was meant to be a last resort became the go to treatment because hospitals wanted that ventilator money from the govenrment. I am not accusing you of doing this to people. I don't know you but this has happened and the truth came out about this a while ago.

[TheMoralCrusader]

government*

[SecretsofKB]

@TheMoralCrusader Let me give you a little rundown as you seem to have never stepped foot in an variation of and ICU...

We place people on ventilators when their airways are compromised or to get as much oxygen as we can to the lungs as efficiently as possible. The virus causes a drop in the levels of oxygen in your blood. When the course of the virus progresses far enough, certain measures need to be taken to ensure you are getting the oxygen your body needs. This includes things like prone positioning and ventilators.

Ventilators are for the people who are in deep trouble due to the virus. The problem is, there were more people developing severe symptoms of the virus than anyone would ever want. Which unfortunately made intubation and ventilation the common treatment.

I'm really sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

[TheMoralCrusader]

I am sure you are being honest about what you see in the ER but the fact is many of these people had pneumonia and it was diagnosed as covid because covid was all over the TV. They even went so far as to lie and call pneumonia covid pneumonia to cover their asses. I do not doubt that you think you did the right thing but I have spoken to so many ER nurses who call this whole thing a hoax and said their hospitals were almost empty during the first few months of this. You can't ignore the fact that a lot of things don't add up like those China videos showing people dropping in public from covid. How many people did you see in public drop like that in the past 2 and half years? Oh none? That's what I thought because this whole thing was a hoax to get stupid people injected with graphene oxide which is a soft metal and the reasons why people died from the shots is because their bodies rejected the graphene. Bottom line.

[SecretsofKB]

@TheMoralCrusader You really just keep saying things that show that you really are just making stuff up as you go.

[Twalli]

@TheMoralCrusader pneumonia and COVID-19 manifest differently. Generally pneumonia is minor. It feels like osin in your chest similar to lactic acid buildup. It generally doesn't kill with excessive pain. If you were to die, pneumonia is a good way to go. From those I know who got COVID-19, it isn't as easy to deal with as pneumonia. I had a normal sleep and wake cycle with pneumonia and could eat normally. My girlfriend couldn't keep down anything when she had COVID-19. I know this is only expierence from two people and she's only haf COVID-19 once, but I've had pneumonia 5 times and I know how it feels.

[Levin]

"The vast majority of my patients here that are COVID are unvaccinated."

Would it not be more fair to say that the majority of your patients are grotesquely unhealthy and overweight?

[Twalli]

@Levin Could be, but that doens't mean they have COVID-19, ER takes all kinds of issues. Lack of health and gross obesity can cause a lot of problems, but not COVID-19. I think she's referring to the VAST majority of COVID-19 positive cases. Statstically COVID-19 doesn't discriminate, so it wouldn't target a specifc group more than another one, like other diseases tend to do.

[msc545]

@SecretsofKB Neuropsychologist here. Suggest you stop interacting with that guy - he will keep tossing conspiracy theories at you until you just give up. He knows what he knows and cannot be reasoned with. I suspect he got most of his material from Youtube videos. I am thinking that we need a new DSM V dx - like maybe "Youtube Psychosis, Recurrent, Chronic". No ICD 10 or DSM codes as yet but I am hopeful.

[bean2k21]

@msc545 Southern white boy here. Don't be so quick to dismiss conspiracy theories. We Southerners convinced America that we lost the war and that blacks were free for 100 years.

[msc545]

@bean2k21 Most people with reasonably intact reality testing are quick to dismiss bullshit, no matter how convinced you might be of it's "truth".

[bean2k21]

@msc545 Only a fool would fail to question an outbreak during which the wealthiest Americans doubled their money During which our freedoms were restricted and coupled with the Black Lives Matter movement which was emboldened only months after lockdown and, funded in part by the Ford Foundation, to highlight racial divisions. The decision to advance the racialist program of Black Lives Matter is aimed at dividing the working class and preventing the emergence of an independent and unified working class movement against the capitalist system. These are the same fools who read their history books and think "Oh Glory be tot he great Union, they defeated the south and ended slavery." These idiots don't see truth staring them directly in the face -- that John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Confederate Secret Service and that Andrew Johnson was not assassinated, because he was from North Carolina and supported the passage of black codes. A wedge was very intentionally driven between races to further exploit them, yet no one ever questions that the South won the Civil War. They blindly accept was they are told, just as the so-called "rational" people who chalk this all up to an act of nature.

[SecretsofKB]

@bean2k21 Frankly, I'm impressed how you managed to shoehorn your racist ideology into this discussion.

[Twalli]

@msc545 ICD-10 won't add it. We'd need symptoms first and as of now it appears to manifest rather suddenly.

[msc545]

@Twalli www.icd10data.com/.../U07.1

[Twalli]

@msc545 oh, I still have the 2022 version because that's what my coding test on Tuesday covers.

[msc545]

@Twalli ok

[msc545]

@bean2k21 only an uneducated person would fail to understand that correlation in not the same as causation.

[Lliam]

I wouldn't get it for any reason. I value my health more than a job. Plus, it goes against my grain to coerced.

If covid was so bad, it would be obvious to everyone. And if the jab was safe and effective, I and others would take it if covid was a serious danger.

[Grond21]

I would not get it for any reason. I don't like being coerced or manipulated, I don't like participating in mass fear campaigns.

And now my hesitations are all coming true. The highly suspicious activity from the beginning is revealing significant fraud from the drug companies and government both.

[OpenClose]

Got 3 shots of the stuff. The first one was 2-3 weeks before it was available to my age group.

I think part of it was that I was excited to see mRNA research come to practical fruition. I had been following it for a decent amount of time beforehand. The concept is amazing.

[Daniela1982]

You also think it is amazing that kids who get the Vax can have heart problems now and may need to take drugs the rest of their life? Doesn't that seem to you that Big Pharma wins by getting a bunch of kids as future lifetime customers? Big Pharma doesn't make money when you are well.

[Red-Blaze]

Got it and keep getting it
I check what I can on benfit and risk
And I dont live in the US that made it much easier, becouse so many of the conspiresisys just dont workout here

I never got sick so far
Had pepole around that got really sick before the vec, and outhers that got it lightly after the vec, so can say from persenoal exprince that it seem to have an effect

So or so, I will not risk outhers for any chance of them getting harmed, becouse a conspirsy

[Stoner710]

At this point I’m against it it seems like there’s so many health center instead of her like myocarditis especially the younger people that basically tells me that the vaccine is not good and frankly the Covid vaccine to be abandoned forth with

[Levin]

Yeah, I know something isn't good for me if I have to be coerced and bullied into it.

in my opinion, anyone pushing these jabs should be tried for crimes against humanity.

Would rather die than go anywhere near them.

[DJB72]

For it.

Since I spent 3 months in a coma caused by Covid and needed four hours CPR to resuscitate me I won't be taking the chance of getting another variant.

And with all due respect, all those people denying the science can go forth and multiply themselves.

[Daniela1982]

Wait, do you mean this was because you GOT the vaccine, or DIDN'T get the vaccine?

[DJB72]

It was before the vaccine was developed

[Kori1236]

I work in healthcare it is a mandated vaccine and given I work with the vulnerable populations I’m not about to risk making them sick, and killing them faster.

[SecretsofKB]

I love that the majority of those in the healthcare field get the vaccine, yet according to those that have no experience in the field, the vaccine is bad.

What you said is the exact reason as to why I am up to date on my vaccinations... COVID and others.

[Kori1236]

I personally only got the two first ones and not the boosters. But I do get my flu shot even if I don’t want it. And I’ll consider the booster if work requires it but according to my employer having the first 2 is enough. I did get Covid back in April I want to say the delta variant or maybe omicron I don't know there’s so many but it wasn’t terrible for me. It was however awful for my friends immuno compromised mom.

[TheMoralCrusader]

@SecretsofKB Plenty of nurses refused to get the vaccine and lost their jobs so again you are spreading disinfo.

[SecretsofKB]

@TheMoralCrusader Yeah, they are the ones spreading the disinformation.

[Twalli]

@TheMoralCrusader and those that wanted to keep doing what they could to help people took the vaccine.

[TheMoralCrusader]

@SecretsofKB You just said the people who have no experience in the field say the vaccine is bad but all these nurses who stood up for what is right and refused the clot shot worked in the ER just like you and they know this was all a big hoax. Do you not check VAERS and see the thousands of people who the vaccine killed or do you just live in some echo chamber? Because I knew literally 1 person who they said died from "covid" but I had a cousin and her husband die from the booster and flu shot. I got friends their dads dropped dead from a heart attack right after their boosters. I know more people dead since the vax rollout in 2021 than I have known in my entire life. You people need to wake the Hell up. Your own government listed thousands dead from it.

[SecretsofKB]

@TheMoralCrusader The percentage of nurses that quit is much lower than that of those that got the shot. Just stay in your little conspiracy bubble and you'll be fine.

[TheMoralCrusader]

@SecretsofKB Well I have been fine when people like you tried to say all us smart people were gonna die and in reality we are all fine and never got a fake virus like the rest of you. You are very arrogant but let's see how arrogant you are in the future when your vaccine side effects from something untested that you put in your body creep up on you.

[SecretsofKB]

@TheMoralCrusader Okay bud. Whatever you say.

[Shamalien]

@SecretsofKB I love how the majority of scientists once believed the earth was flat…

Something you learn as you get older…the majority is almost always wrong

[Twalli]

@Shamalien so if we believe Trunp it was wrong to vote him into office, because he claims that the majority of the country voted for him.

[SecretsofKB]

@Kori1236

I just want to apologize for starting a horrid thread on your comment!

[Kori1236]

@SecretsofKB (sorry I don’t know how to tag) it’s all good, I expected as much after I read other comments and was like oh boy what have I gotten myself into 😂

[Shamalien]

@Twalli it was wrong. Voting has always been wrong

[SecretsofKB]

@Kori1236 haha. I knew it was a bad idea to reasons before I even did it... but I did it anyways...

[genericname85]

i am against it. i had covid, had no issue with it (aside from some common cold symptoms) and the vaccine does not make me any less likely to infect others anyway. so there's absolutely no point in taking the risk of getting the horrible adverse reactions some people get. and i would absolutely just quit if my boss tried to force it on me.

for anyone below the age of 60 and in good health, this vaccine is bullshit. and everyone who denies that is a science denier.

[4eyes2mouths]

You said it's bullshit unless you're over 60 with poor health?

[genericname85]

@4eyes2mouths yes. because if you're under 60 and in good health, it is very unlikely for you to have a bad case with hospitalization. if you're under 20, the risk of the vaccine actually FAR outweighs the benefiits to the point where in some countries in Europe, you're even banned from getting the vaccine if you're under 20. for everyone in between, the chance of having a severe case is very low as is and the vaccine only reduces it marginally. plus the long term immunity you get from the vaccine is bad. that's why some people are getting their 5th booster now. there's not yet a single case known where someone had the same corona strand twice.

[genericname85]

so i think you're foolish if you take the vaccine being between 20 and 60, cause you're not likely have issues with corona and if you get it, you'll have a way better immunity after than with the vaccine, which is more effective in protecting those who are actually weak and likely to die to it. so yeah...

[genericname85]

if you're under 20 and take the vaccine, that's straight up reckless neglegt or your own health.

[genericname85]

of your own health*

[Levin]

They've approved boosters for 5 and up in the US recently haven't they?

[genericname85]

@Levin "approval" means nothing. remember. they approved the use of contergan / thalidomide. i don't know if this is a shocker to you or anyone. but the health industry is mainly concerned with "profit", not "health". i mean just look at pfizers track record of selling poison to people.

i was gonna provide you some links in case you cared but google doesn't really help you finding this shit anymore. all you can now find is covid stuff if you look for anything around pfizer, that used to be among the least trustworthy in the entire medical industry, which is quite a high bar.

[genericname85]

i mean look at the ammount of pills they're throwing at you for disease where just getting a more healthy lifestyle would be a permanent long term fix of the underlying problem rather than a short term remedy of the symptoms.

[Levin]

No, I meant it in the opposite way. It's outrageous they're pushing it on children. But it's also indicative of how far we've sunk as a species.

[genericname85]

@Levin oh. yeah i get it. here in germany they are still pushing it on the children and trying to make people get the 6th booster. meanwhile in denmark, it's officially forbidden for under 20 year olds to get the vaccine now.

[Anonymous]

Have you been listening to the news of the controversy surrounding the vaccine and cdc? There is even a video of mark zuckerberg telling his employees not to take the vaccine. And his social network was pushing for it and removing anti-vaxers post as disinformation.

[NewsReader]

Don't you think this question is a bit dated?

I got both shots because it was required to keep the best job I ever had. But no boosters. Definitely not. I got real sick (side effects) after the second shot. Never again.

[Sixgunsound]

I’ve been fired twice from cushy overpaid admin building jobs because I kept repeating my body my choice too loudly. I’d do it again.

[Chazmatazz269]

Ain’t no job worth my life and livelihood. I can hunt and garden if i can’t get a job. Eff all that nonsense!

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm not against the vaccine. I'm against being forced to take the vaccine

[Calenderagressive]

You're not forced

[888theGreat]

@Calenderagressive if someone says either you do or no work you are being forced.

[KostasKouvalis]

@888theGreat I agree with what Triple 8 said.

[Twalli]

@888theGreat their business, their choice.

[888theGreat]

@Twalli So if he tells a black person "I don't hire no Jungle bunnies" , his business , his choice?

[Twalli]

@888theGreat no because black people don't affect the health and welfare of other workers and clients. Why do you think kids are required to be vaccinated to attend school? Health and welfare of all.

[888theGreat]

@Twalli so a business has some rights , but only the ones you liberals like. Forcing shots on people with religious views is violating their rights. Abortion is going to kill the little baby so that effects another life.
So you are ok murdering little babies and violating religious rights. Rights are rights and you just pick and choose who is allowed to have rights. This is why Democrats are going to be slaughtered in November elections.

[KostasKouvalis]

@Twalli Actually, a black might rob my business or destroy it with a hatchet, so they kind of are

[KostasKouvalis]

@Twalli If someone is scared of Covid they can wear protection

[Calenderagressive]

@888theGreat yeah, but it's also in the freedom of the employer to fire you for not taking it :)

[Calenderagressive]

@Twalli exactly

[Calenderagressive]

@888theGreat nazi moment

[Calenderagressive]

So can a white person...

[Calenderagressive]

-_- the vaccine is protection

[888theGreat]

@Calenderagressive Not really. No more than firing a woman that gets knocked up or because he found another was a fag. If the person is doing a good job that is no reason at all

[888theGreat]

@Calenderagressive From what? They don;t keep you from getting it or spreading it

[Calenderagressive]

@888theGreat don't use that slur dickhead

[Calenderagressive]

@888theGreat they do

[888theGreat]

@Calenderagressive what? FAG FAG FAG

[Twalli]

@888theGreat If you are vaccinated against anything it's highly unlikely you are against vaccines religiously. There is no religion that excuses you from getting SPECIFIC vaccines. It's all or none. If you haven't gotten a vaccine, flu shot, immunization, or anything since 18, you may qualify for a religious exemption.
I'm glad you brought up abortion because there's a case involving it and Kentucky's abortion ban. Judaism allows abortion up to certain point. Making it illegal violates their religious rights. I guess you would bo okay with them being able to get one. After all, it's their religious right.
People seek religious exceptions when they don't actually qualify for one. If you're one of the few who has never been immunized at all or since 18, you may have some leverage, but otherwise you don't and shouldn't qualify for one. Few people do. Also hiring in the interest of protecting the health and welfare of employees and consumers has always been allowed and SCOTUS ruled the vaccine fits that agenda.

[RangerBlue22]

I am for it if you are in a vulnerable category. I am completely against forcing vaccinations on young healthy people though. It’s asinine.

[Rania05]

I did the 1st and 2nd but the nonsense of the 4th version is what made me support my parents in not getting the 3rd one

[FunkyMonkee]

Why risk your life? Just take HCQ or Ivermectin! My neighbor's entire family had covid 2 years ago and all they took to get over it was Robitussin CF and Tylenol!!

[TheMoralCrusader]

The vaccine is poison. Those Trump medicines are just a fake cure for a fake virus when in reality a virus is a detox. You don't need Ivermectin. All you need to do is let your body detox all that garbage out of it.

[FunkyMonkee]

@TheMoralCrusader Trump may have made it but the loony lefties poisoned it!! Notice how quickly it became BIDEN'S big cure once he stole the office!!

[TheMoralCrusader]

Trump is just like them pushing the poison vaccine and I am sure that behind the scenes they are all friends just fake fighting for us on TV. Trump also pushed that Remdesivir and that got a lot of people killed too. I been hearing that Ivermectin can be harmful too. Ivermectin works to get rid of parasites which is a good thing if you have one but you can't just take it everytime you feel sick.

[FunkyMonkee]

@TheMoralCrusader I never heard anything about Remdesivir getting anybody killed! YOU CAN BET that if it DID, the media would've NEVER shut the fuck up about it!!
ANY drug CAN be harmful if you don't take it the right way!! Look what fentanyl did to George Floyd!! He was yelling about how he couldn't breathe before they even got him in the cop car! Drugs have consequences!
Like the old commercial said, "Taking drugs when you're not really sick is really sick!"

[TheMoralCrusader]

They whacked my friend's fiance gave him Remdesivir then killed him with a ventilator and he didn't have any respiratory issues before going into the hospital.

[FunkyMonkee]

@TheMoralCrusader Go after the hospital!

[Sixgunsound]

The whole reason that “conspiracy” conservatives have been saying don’t go to the hospital for any reason during the time that hospitals were desperate for Covid deaths because they cashed in on a 29,000$ US bribe from the government per patient and more per death has been because of the remdesivir poisoning and the ventilator murders. Murdering people who would otherwise have survived the virus got hospitals massive payouts and leftist politicians massive numbers.

[20yearsolder]

I haven't had the first shot and I'm not taking the first shot. If my job required it, I would be looking for a new job

[bolverk]

I had the two initial doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, but have refused any boosters as they are Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and given the reported side effects I decided to give the 'boosters' a miss.

[Andridaca]

I'm against the boosters and neutral on the vaccine. I had COVID once and it was nothing special. I might get the vaccine if the job was really good, doubtful.

[Rockstarrrrr]

I don't trust them.. When it was mandatory I made arrangements with the doctor and faked it... I also got covid a few months ago and I got over it without going to the doctor or hospital...

[Jerre]

I voted a , For It. I have had 3 Covid shots thus far and will be getting a 4th in a few weeks.

[TheMoralCrusader]

You let them poison you all them times?

[Sour-rose]

2 shots and I'm still fine. So I would say for it but to an extent.

[exitseven]

I got it because I thought it was right for me. I would not let my kids get it. I would get it if my workplace made me. I would not be happy about it.

[McKellar]

There are plenty of reasons why you shouldn't get it. I lost my job over that damn vaccine which I don't think that's right.

[Daniela1982]

It's all about control. Not allowing women to have an abortion, and not allowing you to work if you don't get a drug in your body. Funny yet is that they never made illegal immigrants coming into the US get vaccinated.

[cth2188]

Against and no - no amount of money I'd worth that poison 💯

[Subarugirl]

There are lots of jobs and careers that require immunizations….. teachers, police officers, military, doctors and nurses

[Anonymous]

The real fun begins when this economic market crashes and world war 3 begins. Then radical liberal supporters and radical conservative supporters will show their true destructive colours and rip society and cities apart.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Anyone can do to what they desire to their body.

As for my body that ish isn't going into mines regardless of the job and pay being offered.

[TheMoralCrusader]

I am against it 100% it has killed and harmed people that I know. I would never get it. No job is worth that kind of risk. It is russian roulette.

[Anonymous]

i don't care. just don't want to die. also, if the job is paying me a LOT more, then yeah i'd get it. (i already have the vaccine by the way)

[JDAC092299]

I’m not for or against it but it’s a necessity to travel and I like to do that so Imma get it 👌

[HippieVeganJewslim]

It’s useless. Many even say COVID ain’t real. If it really is real, there are more effective ways to prevent it.

[AimeeKyle]

Support everyone right to do whatever they want. Get it or don’t….

[Anonymous]

I was fine getting the original run, but not interested in boosting at this point. Unless the job is REALLY good, I'd probably say "fuck it."

[Sparkie460]

I have not had a vaccine for anything. My body, my choice

[Calenderagressive]

And it's there choice to not allow you to work

[888theGreat]

@Calenderagressive their , moron

[888theGreat]

@Calenderagressive that is being debated and judges are ruling in favor of the individual

[Sparkie460]

@Calenderagressive I own my own business. I'm not working for anyone. My next step is retirement

[Calenderagressive]

@888theGreat I don't know my grammar, so?

You still know what i meant

[Calenderagressive]

@sparkie460 alright

[Jennz6]

I did get the first one but not any booster

[TheMoralCrusader]

Keep it that way and you might be ok. Don't let them put more of that graphene oxide garbage in you.

[SecretsofKB]

@TheMoralCrusader You truly are in a different world.

[TheMoralCrusader]

@SecretsofKB You're right I am. I live in actual reality not the simulated one they want us to live in. You do understand that germ theory is just a theory right? A disproven theory used to control the masses. Terrain theory is what is really happening. Google vaccine ingredients and please tell me why anyone would think it was a good idea to get injected with heavy metals and formaldehyde? You wouldn't eat those ingredients would you? Aborted fetuses and animal parts? Do you see that they have brainwashed everyone to accept insanity as health? It is not health it is cancer causing.

[Twalli]

@TheMoralCrusader so tell me the ingredients that cause cancer, specifically. I am not aware of any specific chemicals causing cancer. You may just move cancer science ahead several years.

[Snakeyes7]

I would have been a bigger fan of it if many places didn't require it being taken to be able to earn a living.

[Dreamclouds]

Not against it but not liking the ideea of getting it either, surely would not get it for a job

[User3191989]

My job gave me money, to get it

So, I went and got it

[msc545]

I work in healthcare. Of course I am for it!

[Alex8736]

AGAINST it. Had Covid twice since the pandemic and it felt like allergies

[Calenderagressive]

Yeah doesn't mean it'll affect others differently

[Anonymous]

Eh. If the nice people of the NHS offer me a jab, I tend to take it and move on.

[robocop666]

I would rather be fired than take that thing

[ShadezMcgee]

Against it. Always have been.

[Agape93]

For it and yes, my work requires it anyways

[litty]

Who hasn't gotten it at this point?

[Daniela1982]

Me for one. I am doing fine without it.

[litty]

@Daniela1982 If you are young and fit then it's less of an issue, but even young people , overweight/obese, have suffered and died from covid due to inability to effectively fight it.

[Daniela1982]

Well, those same people can die by the flu too.

[Iron_Man]

I’ve had two of them

[Iron_Man]

Make that three

[Debbie14217]

against and no way!!

[boobliker]

well I hadall mine so

[joeldalton]

I would not get it for a job.

[888theGreat]

rights violation and nope and haven't

[Calenderagressive]

It's not actually

[888theGreat]

@Calenderagressive yep it is

[888theGreat]

oh like voter ID isn't racist since all races must have ID to vote

[888theGreat]

Now Vaccine is giving young men heart attacks

[TheMoralCrusader]

The vax whacked way more people and even kids than any fake virus did.

[Calenderagressive]

It's you're choice to take it, but you're employer has as much freedom to fire you for being a vector of transmission and dangerous :)

[Calenderagressive]

@TheMoralCrusader brainwashed moment

[Bklynbadboy12]

I'm for it and yes I would

[888theGreat]

liberal socialist democrat

[Bklynbadboy12]

Dude you don't even know me and your all wrong. Why are you even worried about if I'd take the vaccine or not

[MrTaboo]

Had to leave military because of it.

[Amur8711]

I will not ever be forced to get a vaccine.

[Lina26]

Against.

[AsaKyo]

Lmao no