Is there a War on Masculinity going on in the West?

[Physics-Man]

• https://www.google.com/amp/s/fabiusmaximus.com/2018/05/07/the-war-on-men/amp/

Yes

No

Other

[bolverk]

Yes, there is, that is why men are walking away from 'society' in increasing numbers,

Unfortunately we have made several strategic mistakes that increased female unhappiness. The biggest mistake so far was embracing the feminist fairy tale of equality and getting women in advanced countries to economically compete with men, during their 20s, instead of making babies, as nature intended.

With sexual liberation and birth control and social media and access to endless sexual partners, the cost of sex has dropped remarkably in my lifetime. So technology and feminism has meant that men win, women lose, so far.

Technology brings comfort and material resources to people. Comfort and material resources have unexpected implications: The more people get, in terms of comfort and material resources, the more demanding they get, the less they are willing to tolerate anything they don’t like.

This is true for both men and women.

The more women get, the pickier about men they get.

The better the life a male has, the pickier he gets about sacrificing his life for a woman.

‘Mgtow’ are just early birds, unwilling to settle for a second rate life, as slave to a wife. No wife, happy life. Brag to your friends, what a great time you are having, what a great life you are having. Your married friend’s wives will hate you of course. You bring news of freedom to the enslaved. The best way to spread the movement is to have a great life and brag about it to your married friends at every opportunity. Both feminism and ‘mgtow’ are signs of technological improvement and affluence… and the accompanying shift in behaviour and attitudes that technology brings:

Male happiness has actually increased since 2nd Wave Feminism came in, according to “The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness”

https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969.pdf

The Feminists are now seeing The Law of Unintended Consequences in action, they got what they wanted, but are now less happy than they were in the past.

[vernon123]

Yes, there is. When there are weak men, tyranny is easier to impose. Strong men fight back and are the leader of their home.

[SoIcyGang]

It is the goal of feminism to dismantle patriarchy. For some feminists, the way to do that is to abolish gender entirely.

I'm not sure what they think about masculinity and femininity. I see often feminists embracing femininity as a real thing, and rejecting masculinity as not real.

But are those armchair feminists or are those legitimately educated ones? It's not just feminists too it's Marxists and the far left in general are leading the way.

Funny thing is none of this is new I am learning recently. Apparently they've tried to abolish gender before in other countries. Still don't know much about that though. Point is this isn't new I suppose.

I think masculinity is hormones. You take test, your voice gets deeper, your face becomes more man-like. Same for femininity, it's merely the physical manifestation of our hormones interacting with our bodies.

That's it in my opinion. It's not performative it's not big strong men mowing the lawn and shit.

But apparently feminists even reject that. Which makes no sense to me.

It's unfortunate because there is no intellectual counterweight to feminism and far leftism as far as I've seen.

The best I know of is Roger Scruton who is a major conservative heavyweight. But still, nobody on his level that I know of is, on an intellectual level, contesting far left ideas.

There's definitely a war on masculinity. It's being had by left wing hyper intellectuals and there's a ton of them working together. They are teaching kids in colleges this stuff.

And it goes out into society through them. And they act crazy and scream at people for not believing every word they say.

They believe it's merely scientific. It's science that proves masculinity needs to be abolished, apparently.

And they're confused why people refuse to agree with them. Because their ideology is as if they are scientists who should be trusted on faith.

They have not earned that trust thats for sure.

[OpenClose]

I don't think so, per se. The history of masculinity is filled with flamboyant men, gay men, bisexuals, etc.

In a sense, when people's roles were rigidly defined, men's masculinity was probably significantly less of a question. That is, he could be a quirky effeminate mathematician, but he was still seen as "head of the household" and "the primary breadwinner".

As things have changed up, it seems like we became more and more fixated on defining men simply as "that which women are not", and as women's roles have continued to expand, the perceived manliness of men became increasingly restrictive.

So things like painting, watching romantic movies, musicals, playing women on TV, etc. These are all things people give a hard feminine tilt. But then you have to remember that back in the day, men wrote musical plays, painted the cathedrals, played women in plays, and were often a plurality of the audience. And of course even the highest of leaders (or especially so) wore colorful frilly gowns that would get any men laughed out of town today.

I think what we are seeing these days is sort of an overcorrection to a bunch of things. We blamed masculinity as a whole for bad things in history, so we view it more harshly than necessary and define it almost entirely by its worst traits. We viewed femininity as inferior, so we have overcorrected to view it as more sensible even in places where it might not be. Like I think we need a clear definition for "toxic femininity" ("Karens" immediately come to mind.)

It's also a bit of an exploratory stage where we're trying to push the limits.

Also keep in mind, outliers and rousing headlines make for more clicks. So the whole country hears about that teacher with the giant prosthetic tiddies, rather than it being a local oddity only people around town know about.

So personally, I think it'll settle back down. It'll certainly look a little different than it did before. But I think this huge magnifying glass will start to fog, and people will revert to something more like they would otherwise be, rather than exaggerating differences to make a point.

[Lionman95]

I would say other because it´s not just a war on masculinity but generally questioning that the biological sex determines your behavior and skills in any way. It´s a war on gender identity and roles in any ways which makes everything harder since society tries to create harmony in favor of truth.

Studies have shown that especially for younger people harmony is more important than the freedom of speech. So life is complicated and full of chaos since many people expect all the others to follow the traditional rules while themselves to live like they want to be.

So everybody defines their gender they want to, there is no clear idear of what is a man or what is a woman since people cherish indepency over everything.

[Rania05]

Actually, young people are all generally unhappy these days. They aren't grateful for what they have and keeps yearning for the past or for a future they're pursuing the wrong way or not motivated at all.
This is my experience from my neighborhood, classmates and relatives.
P. S: I'm 17, young myself, so I'm not all-knowing

[BUTIMRIGHTTHO]

it say you're 37

[Juxtapose]

@BUTIMRIGHTTHO I don't know if you know this man, but minors tend to lie about their age all the time.

[Rania05]

It wasn't even deliberately, my sis tricked me into making myself 20 years older when I was in elementary school as I was making email, saying that I wouldn't be able to use Facebook and whatnot without it.
GAG didn't even ask for my age, and I sent a request for them to correct it but never got an answer

[Subarugirl]

No not at all there is a war on misogyny, and unfortunately for some, masculinity and misogyny are synonymous and that is core of the issue.

Masculinity and femininity are look often seen as polar opposites, but that couldn't be father from the truth, they are a spectrum, that is heavily influence by societal norms.

There is nothing wrong with masculine traits like strength, confidence, courage and independence.

But there is a huge issue with using your strength to be violent, mistaking confidence for arrogance, calling recklessness or risk-taking behavior courage, and confusing independence with isolation and repression.

For a demographic that has historically been given more privileges, rights and autonomy... equity can feel like repression.

[Sixgunsound]

When you take a break from your 110 degree in the shade construction job to fill out your draft notice after getting divorce raped we can have this conversation.

[CallmeTheKnight]

I believe you are very aware of the core issue (s), but you're basically saying blaming masculinity rather than bad behavior and not addressing the real issue directly. A lack of restraint on temperament and lack of respect have absolutely nothing to do with masculinity because both sexes/genders commit such bad behavior.
Yes, men are more prone to violence and the undesired men tend to be sexist. We are all aware of that and the positive majority of men do not tolerate such crap from other men. However, do not neglect the fact that there are misandrist women and misogynistic women as well. Both of which have a prejudices that are opposite but are closely aligned.
It is ok for men to be strong, confident, and risk taking. It is part of the tenacity of being a man. Arrogance isn't all bad unless it get to the point where one's own ego consumes their reality. I've met plenty of arrogant men and we're all aware of the arrogant men there are on social media. Yet, let's draw a fine line between that and the huge amount of Arrogance of the modern day women on social media. Tik Tok, Instagram, GAG, and etc. I've watched many a tik toks and those internet dating shows, especially Kevin Samuels and Kendra G. So it's wild that you point out such a thing as if it's exclusive to men only.

[Lionman95]

@CallmeTheKnight Agreed

[Subarugirl]

@Sixgunsound Do you work in construction? Have you ever been drafted? I'm assuming that you have been divorced but Id be willing to bet that you never had a prenup...
And just so you are aware, I worked for an excavation company and spent summers buking hay as a teen ager until I started working on cars...

[Subarugirl]

@CallmeTheKnight I literally just said that there is nothing wrong with masculine traits. I said that there is a big issue with toxic traits being labeled as masculine...

[CallmeTheKnight]

There's a war on masculinity and femininity. Men are shamed and attacked for being men and women are shamed and attacked for being women.

Attacked by who? The mainstream and fake LGBTQ, feminists, soyboy & beta males, overweight & unattractive women, people who bitch and complain about anything, but ultimately sexist men and women.

[Sixgunsound]

They need us knuckle dragging peasants fighting each other until they need us to fight one of their global elite trillionaire friends.

[CallmeTheKnight]

Agreed. It's a shame weak people are able to have some sort of pull when they aren't capable of leading and protecting themselves.
Men are not getting married as much because there are no wives... that speaks volumes

[Sixgunsound]

If marriage were actually still considered inviolable, and it wasn’t just a sheet of paper that women used to bind themselves to a particular ATM machine until it ran out of money at which point they can scoop up whatever is left and right after the sunset, maybe more men would be interested in getting married. This would of course require women who are worth marrying to arise in the first place. This is in to say they don’t exist, but I think most reasonable women can admit that most of their sisters aren’t bringing the same amount of skill or work ethic to a potential marriage relationship that their grandmothers were.

[CallmeTheKnight]

Agreed. It's not just about love, but about honor, integrity, and holding yourself to a higher standard. We gentleman are the gatekeepers of relationships and marriage, so it says a lot when we want to marry the lady of our choosing to be our wives. A lot of women will never know what it's like to actually have a husband that genuinely loves them because they are always trying to compete with men or wasting their youth and energy on the obvious bad picks.
I always encourage men to be very picky about the women they date, because a lot of women aren't even worth the time and effort. I see it more now that I'm 29 years old.

[NathanDavis]

never before, not once... ever had a problem with someone telling me I should stop being what I am, myself

but it is true, that there's a lot of people out there with very twisted ideas and do feel everything and everyone is against them, lol

[TonightYouu]

Yes 100% they want us fat, watching porn, simping and depressed but pretend to care when we kill ourselves 4 times more than women ( a statistic I will never stop mentioning)

anyone who makes content exposing this and trying to uplift discouraged young men is silenced or banned from all platforms Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, Sneako

some say it’s due to misogyny which is crazy because honestly we should be misogynistic because misandry is completely and totally acceptable

[Anonymous]

I would say there is a war on masculinity in the West. I've seen a lot of young men kind of confused because they don't know what sex they are. It's quite simple. If you were born with a dick you're a guy. If you're born with a pussy you're a woman. Since when did Men start wearing hair buns? Guys grow a pair.

[Guy13]

Yes that is quite apparent. From no meat 🥩 testosterone reduction etc…in every area and every way men are under attack trying to be feminized

[pers0n]

A war on humanity. And the war is easily lost without real men.

[Sixgunsound]

Facts.

[peterrezeeek]

In the Middle East, the war has been going on for 12 years, the infrastructure is destroyed... The per capita salary is $25 per month, but human rights organizations protect Israel and the terrorists... The American state is hiding Israel's crimes and stripping the army of its right to defend its homeland.. Here in the Middle East there is no injustice. the end of it

[RandomGuy1032]

Wow thats so true.

[peterrezeeek]

Dear reader, it does not matter what your nationality is, but I would like the whole world to know the truth of what is happening in the Middle East, especially Syria... The colonial policy of the US, British and French government against our people is endless, especially since the imposition of economic sanctions and Caesar's law, the people are really on the verge of death, the international media and organizations Human rights are asleep.. Israel bombs Syria a month from two to four times. This is unacceptable... We know that there are many brotherly American people sympathetic to us and we appreciate this very much. .. Why when the war in Ukraine began everyone knows and sympathizes? It seems that they are policies, but not to injustice. We are the most peaceful and coexisting people in the world. We do not want war in any form. We want to live with dignity

[peterrezeeek]

This is in addition to the fact that conscription is compulsory here.. and almost all countries have closed their doors to us.. The travel route has become almost impossible.. Unfortunately, Lord, have mercy on us.. We ask the United States to lift the unjust sanctions against Syria because there are about 20 million people whose lives are threatened by Hunger and the cold of the coming winter

[alice55]

In France no but in america and Scandinavia yes

[jongreat46]

the only ones who believe this are bigoted white men who are mad that they can't beat their wives and be openly racist against black people and ban immigrants from mexico from coming to the US anymore.

[Sixgunsound]

That magazine is in the staff break room in the district office building where I work.

[Ryfyle]

Burn it down.

[Sixgunsound]

@Ryfyle yeah…not so much.

[Ryfyle]

Man I haven't worked in a place with AC for over a ten years and it feels great. This shit won't touch you amongst the sparks and razor sharp steel shavings flying all over.

[joeldalton]

Throw it in the trash.

[pers0n]

It depends on how serious the reaction will be. Maybe you don't want to damage or disfigure it but at least you can turn it upside down while everything else is upright or something.

[Ryfyle]

@pers0n Thats hideously passive-aggressive.

[Sixgunsound]

@Ryfyle I am student teaching in the district, and it’s not a building I work in, but enough of the district level leadership team know that I’m the only one there at night that it would be immediately obvious who is responsible if anything happened to it.

[Ryfyle]

@Sixgunsound At that point build a shrine around it, be subversive.

[Sixgunsound]

@Ryfyle I like your style

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Sure looks like it. But to me if someone can influence you into acting a like sissy or change your gender then you were a b*$&# to begin with and it just came out.

[pers0n]

Says the one who Called Alexa Demie damn sexy? So you like trannies.
Which celebrity has a more attractive face? ↗
Occult illuminati trannies whose husbands are actually women, classic invested couples.

That's worse than being gay, that is satanic.

See, then you go down on alexa and she has a schlong. Are you pissed?

[pers0n]

Inverted couples*

A luciferian religious tradition where both partners are transgender, and don't you know how luciferian hollywood is?

[USLegionary]

Absolutely with white men the main target.

[Juxtapose]

Well duh, these people want to castrate men and erase us from existence. If any of you don't believe me, I will drop some links.

[genericname85]

people can't even define what's a man or a woman are. the west is suffering from collective brian damage.

[Ninania]

Only the toxic notion that there's a right and wrong way to be masculine.

[Rockstarrrrr]

I don't live in the west but it doesn't seem like a war on masculinity... More like a war on gender and all traditional social constructs as a whole...

[FilmGuy93]

There is, unquestionably. But there's also a war on femininity. Because here's the thing; you get rid of masculinity and femininity falls in short order.

[LimitedBenefits101]

Absolutely yes and it's so sad they are ruining kids life

[Jdjfjcjj]

Does it matter? I just put my head down and stay on my grind. Don't really care about taking a stand with either side. Waste of time

[Pohjolan]

War?

No just some people telling other people that they should do what they say just because they say so and some being gullible enough to do so instead of thinking for themselves.

[BLP11520]

My comments would be about 8 paragraphs. It is insane

[Readicus]

Yes definitely and I am starting to hate it.

[Anonymous]

Yes, their sure is and its getting worse too.

[Ryfyle]

It's funny how yes its happening, but I dont give a fuck either way. I've been Troon bricking since 2006.

[WhiteBoyChill]

You see all the fcking women who voted “no” are part of the problem. They don’t want us to be masculine so honestly fck them

[Anonymous]

Yeah. Its a battle of words. What the Chinese and Jewish illuminati wants is for white American men to hate their country.

So when there is a draft NO man will fight for the culture theyve created. Itll be an easy take over

[Anonymous]

A war would suggest a fightback but alas this will soon just be genocide against anyone who still chooses to be classified as male

[MCheetah]

Has been for the past 12 years now, if not longer.

[Bethany22]

There is a war on it everywhere

[Jamie05rhs]

Yes. And a war on femininity as well.

[joeldalton]

100%. It’s pervasive.

[Cubus]

More like: men and women relations crisis.

[Anonymous]

Of course there is.

[boobliker]

I don't know!!

[BJP21]

I never got that Memo.

[SmokinAces2000]

It’s not much of a war when it’s one sided

[Anonymous]

Until the next (local) war..

[AimeeKyle]

Absolutely

[msc545]

Hell yes!