Do you believe that there's an attack on masculinity going on in the west?

[caitycat21]

Honestly I feel like this is something that shouldn't even be up for debate at this point. The overwhelming narrative surrounding men in mainstream liberal spaces is that if you're a man you're a sexist pig that oppresses women, don't even think about being a straight white man - you might as well be Hitler 2.0 you bigot.

All jokes aside though, I find it extremely unsettling how a lot of feminists that claim they support gender equality have no problem degrading men and calling absolutely anything men do "toxic". Like if they seriously want to bridge this gender divide when are feminists going to learn that they'll actually probably have to open their ears and listen to men talk about their issues if they want men to open their ears and listen to women talk about their issues !

In 2025 the political climate is so outrageous that saying something like this as a woman makes you a "pick me" ? I'm curious to hear other peoples opinions on this topic though, I'd also like to clarify that I'm definitely generalizing feminists but I don't think that all feminists have this extreme hatred and bigotry towards men but from personal observations the vast majority definitely do seem to hold this bias.

[WhiteSteve]

I don’t feel like it’s as serious as it’s being made out to be. “Manspreading?” Yes, go fuck yourself, I’m sitting like this because there’s equipment between my legs that I can’t be crunching up painfully by having my knees together, lmao.

But most of the stuff, what’s the argument FOR it? I should just be able to walk up to you and stare at your cleavage and make comments to you that would make you uncomfortable? That seems pretty uncool. And I’m not sure I even know a woman who hasn’t been assaulted by a man in some way, so it’s not like we’re making up a non-existent problem. My little cousins are around your age, and I worry about them out in the world. Bought both of them pepper spray for their keychains already, lmao.

I was in college a long time…. you have no idea how many guys I’ve had to stop from taking advantage of vulnerable women. SO MANY TIMES I’d be at a party, two people had been making out on a couch, but she passed out…. and here’s the guy trying to sneak his hand into her pants while she’s out. That’s pretty fuckin’ rapey, and I’ve witnessed and stopped it more times than I can count on my fingers. I’m not calling the cops or anything, but I’m definitely going to step in and be like “buddy…. she’s knocked out. You got as far as you’re going. Leave her alone and don’t be a scumbag.”

Sexual assault is super common and very much goes unreported, probably a majority of the time. We really need to fix that, and I can’t think of a good reason why we shouldn’t. And not for nothing, I never saw any girl with a passed out guy being like “I know he’s unconscious, but I’m gonna try to jack him off anyway.” Just not a thing that happens much, so of course it will seem lopsided in enforcement.

There’s a difference in power dynamic so it will have the appearance of being unequal. But this is something I feel like women need to be protected from, and the women I personally know all seem to want and feel they need that protection. Can it go overboard? Yes. Will there be false claims? Sure, a few. But I’m nowhere near ready to think that’s the usual, so I’m not just going to broadly dismiss the whole thing as some ploy to fuck over men.

Men can be men, but we might need to recalibrate what “being a man” entails. I don’t know anyone who thinks I’m soft. I do a lot of the stereotypically masculine stuff, I’m the first guy to check out an attractive woman and think heinous thoughts you would never tell your grandma, lmao. I lift weights and play contact sports, I love meat, I was a bouncer for ten years…. no one thinks I’m a soy boy, lmao. I wouldn’t be caught dead with a beard, and pickup trucks aren’t my thing, but other than that, I think I check a lot of the boxes of stereotypical masculinity.

But a huge part of being a man, as I was taught, is providing gentle treatment to women, on a broad scale. Open doors, pull out chairs, offer your jacket when it’s cold…. old school chivalry. And you never look at it resentfully or lament them “having it easy” or “getting special treatment.” You do it, because that’s what gentlemen do. So if women speak up, after decades, and really centuries and millennia of silence, I listen and accommodate. I haven’t been asked to do anything I find ridiculous yet.

[caitycat21]

Im very invested in women’s safety but that’s another thing I don’t understand with liberals, now if we even have people trying to create women’s only spaces they’re called bigots for not allowing biological men into spaces meant for biological women which I can’t get down with. How are we exactly supposed to begin protecting women if liberals refuse to even identify exactly what a woman is and want to go as far as forcing us to use gender neutral language like “birthing person” ?

The reality is humans are sexually dimorphic, women are naturally weaker than men so yeah we’re more vulnerable to being taken advantage of but I think this idea also works to silence the voices of male victims of SA that do exist, male victims actually tend to report only 16% of the time compared to 30% of female victims [https://bjs. ojp. gov/data-collection/ncvs#0-0]

My biggest issue is that the gender divide seems to only be widening, the only people trying to actually understand men and speak to them are extremists like Andrew Tate who prey on men’s insecurities and loneliness

[WhiteSteve]

I gotcha. I mean, now we’re opening a different can of worms with trans issues. A lot of that stuff to me isn’t offense at the desire for separation but the energy behind it. It feels mean-spirited most of the time, rather than functional. I’m of the opinion that trans people aren’t inherently dangerous, and that M-to-F transitions are never (or at least almost never, as far as I can reasonably claim) done with nefarious intentions of predation on biological women or to gain athletic advantages. People just happen to be trans, I don’t think anyone is like “I couldn’t make the boy’s basketball team, so now my name is Penelope and I’m gonna dominate the girl’s division!” I think someone just happened to feel a way, they preferred to live life female, whether you, me, or our Aunt Henrietta understand it or like it or don’t, and they just coincidentally happen to like basketball, and they want to play with girls because that jibes better with the person they feel like they are.

And I’m probably on your side here, I think in athletic situations, that can unfortunately sometimes create competitive disadvantages. But I also think it’s a minuscule issue, like that’s barely even a thing that happens. In the NCAA, there are half a million athletes, and only 10 identify as trans. That’s practically nothing. So while I understand the concerns, it’s not a hill I’m necessarily going to choose to die on either. Sports don’t really matter, and I think the nature of most women’s sports lends itself to being more of an issue of competition than safety. Maybe like women’s rugby or something, although most high schools don’t even have men’s rugby, I think that’s usually college club sport.

[WhiteSteve]

But to be fair, way back when I was just a few years younger than you, mid-1990s, there was a British boy who moved to my state, he was allowed to play field hockey because that’s a men’s sport in the UK, and the only reason I heard about it was because I saw him pictured in the local newspaper in an action photo of a game. Thought it was a girl with short hair for a second, but the caption said “Chatham’s Niles So-and-so takes the ball upfield against….” I had to ask some field hockey players I knew to find out the deal with him, but no one was mad.

Turns out my state has had a rule since the year I was born, 1979, that you can play the opposite gender’s sports IF AND ONLY IF there’s not already a team for your gender. So like the aforementioned situation of not being able to make the boys’ basketball team, you don’t end up with the girls’ basketball team being mostly the cuts from the boys’ team’s tryouts. Seems reasonable.

I played full contact football with two girls growing up, they did just fine. One of them was actually as good as any of the boys when we were 13 or 14 and all around the same size. So it’s not really a new thing, but the outrage is, and it seems more based upon the people in question being trans, and we can’t just do things based on “trans people weird me out.” We can have conversations about locker rooms and bathrooms and all that, it just hasn’t really been respectful dialogue so far. That’s all it’s about for me. What we decide isn’t as important as how we go about discussing it.

[WhiteSteve]

I don’t want to go too far off the rails but I don’t believe trans people are predatory, is my last thing. Same kind of concept, late 80s/early 90s I was at a mall food court with my mom. She came out of the women’s restroom all upset because someone peeped her over the top of the stall. It was a trans-woman. It was a clear-as-day man, just some creep who walked into to women’s room. I guess I’m just saying to go easy on trans folks, because they’re largely harmless, and those who aren’t harmless would be harmful whether they transitioned or not. To segue back to the original topic, I’d argue women should be way more concerned about their safety because of biological men who remained as such, not to broadly demonize, but I’m just saying way more threats come from that faction.

I want all SA victims to be heard. I’m kind of on the fly here so I can’t piece your link together right now, but is the SA against men always committed by women? Or are some these male-on-male assaults? Some men may be embarrassed to report that sort of thing, in a bit different of a way that a woman might. Not necessarily challenging the stats, just curious. In any case, ideally we want to create a climate where it’s comfortable for as close to 100% of SA’s to be reported if the victim desires.

[WhiteSteve]

I think you do make a very good point about Andrew Tate being the arms that men are running into. I’m kind of soured on young men right now, the whole “it’s cool to be MAGA” thing. And like most young men, it’s based in mostly dumbassery. I know, I was one once. It’s “edgy” to insult people, and they fall for his fake tough guy act. I heard a comedian, Andrew Schulz, who’s more from my generation, and a grown man and a father, but someone younger bros listen to, say he was out on Democrats and in on Republicans because things had flip-flopped, and to get his vote, you need to “get pussy and let me say what I want.” He thought Bill Clinton was cool BECAUSE of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. I was dumbfounded. That may be the most stupid thing I’ve heard somebody say in all my 46 years, and I’ve heard a lot, especially the last 10. Like RIGHT THERE…THAT’S the problem. Just thinking like that, what we care about. That’s so unbelievably fucking brainless that I can’t believe an adult said it.

Anyway, yes, men need help and hug. But there’s a role they have to play in their end to be able to work with them. Life can’t be “fuck everyone else, get the bag, fuck bitches.” That’s fundamentally an incorrect way to live one’s life in a polite society. Everyone’s happy to help, but when your baseline attitude is hostile, it’s tough to get in close. It’s like trying to free a trapped wasp but it just keeps stinging you…. at some point you’re like “who am I trying to help here?”

[WhiteSteve]

I think men are trying to get to some romanticized throwback era where they go out and make the money, and they come home to a clean house and a hot meal thanks to their dutiful wife. But maybe that life sucks for a lot of women. And the inherent underlying problem is just that we historically have always just been like “yeah, sorry, we can’t do that because the men all voted and said no.” (And similar attitudes apply when we talk about white people, straight people, Christians to some extent, that’s kind of the objection…. we've always just been dictated to by whichever faction is most powerful in whatever applicable venue, and they haven’t shown they can be trusted to not keep everything tilted in their favor. You have to accommodate everyone, and err on the side of allowance and acceptance, not restriction and exclusion.

All in all, I think some of men’s issues are legit, and others are based on a refusal to relinquish any measure of power or privilege to share with women. And same deal with those other lopsided demographical power dynamics of race, sexual orientation, religion, etc.

But I think we can all hopefully agree the Andrew Tate program AIN’T IT. I do think young men need to take a hard look in the mirror and find some old school discipline, and I think Tate probably starts with that concept, but the path they go about it by is all wrong. I’m just saying drop the PlayStation controller, go to the gym, take some college classes, keep a steady job, and stop prioritizing being able to do “no scope headshot kills” or whatever on fucking Call Of Duty. The women will come if you do that, at least more than they were, anyway. Extreme self-improvement, minus the douchebag mentality.

[WhiteSteve]

Wish they’d just let us write long responses in one shot🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[WhiteSteve]

*It wasN’T a trans-woman. It was a clear-as-day man, just some creep

[Oinkophobic]

Tl;dr.

[Levin]

Oh thank you for writing this as a woman, I absolutely agree with this.

This is a seething undercurrent in modern Women's psyche, particularly in academic, 'educated' or otherwise leftist circles. There is this sense that I cannot express my masculinity, or to do so, it is something toxic. I'm acutely aware of this on a night out. Men have been castrated. All I hear a lot of women talk about is how bad men are. Recently we had a debate in the office about 'feminism' and I said I'm against it because the modern version just creates an antithetical relationship between men and women. I know the boss's daughter, is one of those that has swallowed all this tripe.

This is absolutely devestating and decimating young men. And it took me decades to work out the forces at work. I wish I had known all this in my teens and 20s, though perhaps it wasn't so bad then. I genuinely believe women these days have a odd kind of contempt for men. They would rather date a woman because a woman is clearly emotionally superior to men, and doesn't have all those toxic male qualities.

[Apple1996]

I think there's a attack on masculinity but its happening from other men and has been for a long time with toxic masculinity. Red pill men are a huge example of this. They say stuff to drag other men farther away from reality. Basically making grown men act like little boys. Men complaining that other men shouldn't cry or express their emotions. Its wild because a lot of men are too dumb to realize its their own gender hurting them. Its a game of competition to them.

It overall has nothing to do with feminism. That's unrelated. Women are just trying to do basic shit like be able to vote, have a bank account and house. Thats not a attack on masculinity. The toxic men blame feminists so they dont have to take the heat for what they are doing.

[Shiprex]

Why is it NECESSARY to emote? What's actually wrong with self regulation? Are you expecting men to copy the way women emote and be all gushy and gooey? THAT'S what the message to men sounds like you're saying.
MEN do not suffer from stress as much as women do. Thats a fact. Less easily stressed, less deeply stressed and get over it sooner. Less reliance on medication and therapy. It's clear MEN deal with stress better with SELF regulation so they don't need to emote while women fall apart ALL the time. The feminists ARE actively seeking to feminise men to become male girlfriends. Keep the physicality and do all the dirty, dangerous and demanding work BUT BE THERE as emotional sponges for the erratic emotion nature of women. WHY?
Why can't WOMEN learn to self regulate? It's been shown they are just as much to blame for domestic violence only less extreme at exerting it so the consequences are less and there's the whole emotional, psychological and mental abuse women are well trained in through manipulation, testing, ignoring, etc. behaviours.
Sure men are more likely to DIE from self deletion because when men set out to do it they're more capable than women because women try it 3 times more often but aren't as successful.
So NO it's NOT men hurting men it's society pushing dumb ideas about reaching out to express more emotion, spreading the emotions around (many women lose respect and or use these "weaknesses", "icks" or "insecurities" against men YEARS upon years after SO YES women DO have work to do that's more than just vote for the one with boobs and a butt and bank accounts for women who earned have been around for over a century but the feminist movement wants to think that NOT earning meant you should still be able to get credit (the point of a bank account) but won't tell you that.

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex everyone including men should be comfortable and intune with their emotions. Having emotions is part of the human experience for both genders.. not just women. Thinking that way is dangerous to yourself and other men. Most likely the reason for high male suicide rates is because of other men holding them back from being human

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex a man being comfortable with his emotions shows strength. Not weakness

[Shiprex]

HI
High male suicide is masked by higher female ATTEMPTS by x3 which means men do it less but are better at doing it which is not surprising given men are more dedicated to get things done the have decided to do.
Men do not rely on medications to keep them functioning in society nearly as much as women. Women who self regulate are the ones who are able to be there to support a man when HE NEEDS and seeks their support.

[Shiprex]

Being comfortable with emotions doesn't mean sharing them because "venting", getting it off their chest, having to say this, need to get this out, can't hold this in, I just have to say, etc. and other unnecessary rumination over things that a rational adult who has experienced something can review, regard, make sense of and remember WITHOUT seeking validation, commiseration, empathy, pity or any other socially demanding burden on others. Sharing isn't caring, it's ruminating for others to hang on to and get an endorphin rush from reliving the excitement of another's experience

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex 99% of women would not judge men for sharing their feelings. We have empathy for men

[Shiprex]

@Apple1996
not according to plenty of men who have lived experience of the opposite and you only need to see a few clips of women using men's "weakness" against them. It's also unnecessary and men would appreciate women who are able to regulate their emotions to create a calm and peaceful contented home life

[Chazmatazz269]

Wholly false. There isn’t a single factor supposed by men that isn’t proven by women’s behavior. Literally EVERYTHING that most men recognize as valuable is based on women’s needs and wants. When women stop responding positively to “toxic” masculinity, it will immediately screech to a halt.
Full stop.

[Apple1996]

@Chazmatazz269 all women i know hate toxic masculinity. Men are the ones keeping that up

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex dude this is a projection. Women are often times shamed for their emotions as well by men. y'all do not allow us space to cry or feel our emotions. We get it used against us constantly by men. There are no clips of women doing this because it basically never happens.

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex I've seen it happen so many times that men will call women the emotional gender, getting asked if we arw on our period because of how we act. Men do this to other men as well. Calling them a pussy or weak because of them showing emotion.

[Shiprex]

Women are not SHAMED by men but are being expected to deal with things less erratically and chaotically. Sure the hormonal turmoil that women go through is something men have ENDURED forever and still stuck around that's because we can regulate our own AND women's

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex oh God can men regulate their emotions when's that gonna start? 😆

[Shiprex]

@Apple1996
We do unless we're pushed too far. It's weird how one post you say a man showing emotions is strong but now it needs regulated. Come on goal post moving is SUCH a girl thing to do

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex showing emotions when regulated is normal, healthy and shows strength. Unregulated emotions are dangerous. Its not appropriate to be showing those in general. For example punching a TV or wall because their favorite sports team lost

[Danzigdawson]

@Shiprex Real men don't fear showing a wide range of emotions, even if it makes them appear vulnerable. That's emotional maturity. Weaklings who hide behind their "alpha" fronts bottle up all of these emotions to look "strong", but it's pointless because they still experience them in the end. All of these emotions, when bottled up, are expressed as rage and anger.

[Shiprex]

@Apple1996 so it's both at the same time. UNDERSTANDING emotions and expressing them aren't necessary ALL the time. Regulation is being able to experience them without letting them affect you and feel the need to ruminate.
You're describing OVER reacting to emotions through overload perhaps because there are OTHER things going on that are underlying and this ONE thing is important to them that others don't find important or dismiss as irrelevant.

[Shiprex]

@Danzigdawson It's not hiding. It's KNOWING that you can regulate it within without the need to have it validated by broadcasting it and sharing it like it's BIG news. No it's not, it's just a feeling and it is perfectly right to experience it INTERNALLY.
Why you might ask? Well men have this tendency to be able to cope with stress (emotional overload) better than women in general. That COPING means it takes longer to impact, has less deep impact and is not as long lasting. THAT MAKES IT GOOD because stress is a killer.
OR is it? You'll yell BUT MEN ARE 2 times more suicidal than women. WRONG! Men complete suicide 3 or 4 times more effectively than women while women ATTEMPT suicide about 3 times MORE than men. SO WHAT? Well if you think getting to a situation where you WANT to or FEEL like ending your life then that's BAD in most people's opinion. Well NEWSFLASH women get there far more readily than men. Women are also MORE dependent on medication and therapy than men for those same issues.
So excuse me for being rational and able to get away from the "the future is female" mind virus, it's nothing to do with Alpha and bottling up but about PROCESSING in a rational way without RUMINATING like "women" insist everyone should be doing.
by the way Anyone starting a comment with REAL MEN is lying

[Apple1996]

@Danzigdawson yep its the bottling up that is bad

[Shiprex]

@Apple1996
The bottling up isn't the same as dealing with it INTERNALLY though. That's what I was pointing out. LEARNING how MEN cope with greater deeper and longer stresses and we'd all be less depressed. But the current mindset is about getting more business for THERAPY and drug industry to keep everyone depending on chemicals and therapists to keep our money away from spending it on good things

[4ngelic]

there was some discourse during the woke era about toxic masculinity, but it's not like it affected much of anything. modern western guys might not be as stereotypically masculine as dudes in the 1940s (for the best honestly, as a woman) but they're still far from being they/them crybabies who eat soy, so there's nothing to worry about. besides woke is dead. the forces that tried to bring attention to toxic masculinity and that type of stuff are powerless now

[Chazmatazz269]

There absolutely is. The irony is the simpering soy boys that came out of this shift aren’t the least bit attractive to most women. Meanwhile, the self-respecting men who know their value and push back are labeled “toxic” or “misogynistic”.
Those of us who have been around a while and seen some things remember feminists telling us that men don’t get to define them. So why do women get to define men now? It’s all over in the media, men portrayed almost exclusively as incompetent or dangerous. Articles and memes everywhere declaring that all men are bad. Imagine flipping any one of those things and portraying women in such a negative light. You’d be permanently banned on most social media platforms and run out of the industry. So if that behavior is an attack when it’s directed at women, why isn’t it an attack when it’s directed at men?
A lot of people think real men should be able to take these attacks. Maybe they should, but that’s wholly beside the point.
Is there an attack on masculinity? Absolutely. Anyone who suggests otherwise is willfully ignorant or lying.

[Cormac995]

100% the place it's most visible is video games and cinema. Disney Star Wars, Dragon age veil guard, Concord, Disney remakes of their classics see snow white for a golden example of this. The last video game that came out I bought that I genuinely felt had masculinity of a healthy variety was Red Dead Redemption 2. High honor Arthur is a great example of positive masculinity especially towards the end of the game.

The last time I saw a movie portray healthy masculinity genuinely and well was Lord Of The Rings. These days people are either trying to destroy masculinity in culture and media or they're trying to push a twisted disgusting form of it like Andrew Taint. I want good male roll models in film again?

I want films about becoming a father and how to be a good one. I want films that show the values real masculinity is supposed to be. Honor, Honesty, Courage, Justice and a willingness to defend and stand by hard decisions. I want films where men are allowed to be emotionally vulnerable without being shamed or portrayed as weak for doing so. I want films that take men's struggles and mental health seriously as issues.

I'm not saying we can't tell gay people or womans stories too I'm just saying straight guys like games and movies two and we don't like being harassed by SJWs because we want to buy a harry potter game and we don't want to be shamed by gaming Jounalists that push false narratives and rigged reviews and awards.

But most of all, I just want my games and movies to be fun again.

[Shiprex]

There is.

Look at education. Girls doing better so it's working , boys doing worse it must be their fault or a lack of male role models in their lives. NOT a word about WHO tf is actually running the education systems and who is more dominant in those roles perhaps NOT being capable of inspiring boys because of whatever ideology they hold.

Then there's the occupations that are available to those who have a choice. ALL of them make accommodations to allow women to participate AND accelerate their careers. Where's the offer of that in occupations for men to do so? NOPE silence.

Then there's essential services that keep all things working and provided for (there's that MEN providing thing that seems to be an antithesis to the current equality notion). Why are men dying at 20 times the rate in work when there's all this choice? What about choice to stay at home and be a kept spouse? How many women would DESIRE or even ACCEPT that as a life goal in a man to basically switch roles to breadwinning woman and oppressed unpaid domestic slave househusband?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I don't know about your west, in my west, masculinity does not seem under attack, but challenged, for the middle class at least. Because working class seems to have no problem with any challenge or attack lol, they just want cheaper gas and a bigger TV. While upper class, well, they're busy maintaining traditions and order to not lose their shiny stones.

What I see is masculinity being teased, yes. But if that is an attack then I assume that there's a sudden lack of sense of humor going on.

Or a confusion, between two notions, a man and masculinity. I don't care about masculinity or femininity, because I'm not their representative, I already have too many causes to defend.

Or a memory lapse. People challenging old ideas, their elders, traditions, it's how History works, it's the designated role of new generations to challenge the previous ones. The role of youngsters to say "fuck you, you're old, I'm new", I view this as the normal motion of societies through time. It doesn't mean that the new is all mighty, it doesn't mean that the old is right. It means that there is friction going on. It can be a sane friction, no one has to die. Well, some old ideas will die, they have to, because the new ones are impatient to leave their mark as well. To create new traditions. Then challenged by... You see the point.

[RingOfFire]

This is a plot by enemies of the United States. By destroying the lives of young men they destroy the US military without even firing a shot. So if they turn the society against men it loses its ability to defend itself. A lot of the anti-male propaganda comes from China supported media in the United States both news and entertainment media designed to brainwash the public to both persecute men and make them afraid to be masculine and also to emasculate them with this gender confusion propaganda.

The more men that the Chinese Communists can feminize in the United States, is less able it will be to defend itself.

It's part of the same agenda that is behind China flooding America with fentanyl with the cooperation of the Mexican government in order to kill young men of military age. It has already killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.

The Chinese Communists have been attacking America for decades and most Americans don't even know what's going on.

Sounds like science fiction right? Well it's not. And until President Trump, no one has been fighting back.

[bolverk]

If men are not under attack, why did Helen Smith PHD write the book below in 2013? and it has only gotten worse over time.

Men on Strike- Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - and Why It Matters by Helen Smith

https://skmclasses.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/smith_helen_-_men_on_strike.pdf

[caitycat21]

Interesting, I’ll definitely give that a read !

[HawkPerception]

I appreciate women like you. And thanks for the post. I consider myself a men's rights activist. It feels like we're pretty repressed and oppressed in Western society. We can't speak our minds. Women seem to ignore our claims, saying we're pathetic with a victim mindset. Yet when you look into cases like Nora Vincent, and women who go on dating apps to see what it's like to be a man, the truth becomes clear. Women just do not respect men nowadays. I don't think there's much I can add to the post I made a while back so I'll just copy paste it here:

Men Are Repressed In Society And It Needs To Be Heard.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/9547hkXTGHw

[OneViewpoint]

The 10% red pill losers and frat boy Chads get 100% of the negative social media and news media attention.

But 90% of guys are normal well socialized guys just trying to get by in life like most women. Oh they may be shy or socially awkward but they are not out to rape anyone or treat them badly.

Nor are they throwing a nonstop pity party for themselves. I’ve never met more than a few women who are out to assault masculinity. They may be having a bad day and act like a complete asshole but, there is no conspiracy.

[ohsheeT]

You so much of that you speak of is ture because I watch it happen

The other part is men are turning more Feminine i'm watching that happen too


Women more masculinity

What you have to understand that the rich And delete are the ones that rule in America. Our government sold us out a long time ago.


There's something like 23 secret societies to go back way back when they are the ones that rule the world or rule the united states

All of our food have a brand or a color on the label there are 8 different colors that Basically ISIS a warning on how good the product is or what it has inside of it.
So the rich Know the color code and won't buy that product. They buy the product With the right color codes

But anyway, through our food, they are changing people. I would say it goes on in other countries too. This has been going on for many years.

I really don't care on what is written about USA I just watch and listen

[SixFootSexy]

Not just a theory. It's in our ads, media, etc. Men are treated with contempt, they portray incompetent dolts, who need a woman or child to save them from themselves. It's Homer Simpson, but everywhere. Demoralizing like you would a conquered nation.

Ask yourself dear (female) reader, if you swapped any of these idiot male characters with someone of your race and gender, would that be permitted on TV?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/EiwzuEf2Ouwhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/26mLdpZWwpY

[SmokinAces2000]

There’s multiple pieces of media that portray “masculinity”. Stop playing the victim.

[SixFootSexy]

@SmokinAces2000 Show me where the masculine actors like Clint Eastwood, Schwarzenegger, Harrison Ford stars are?
Of course there are “masculinity” portrayals, but they are impotent and/or inept. When's the last time you even saw a competent villain in a Disney movie? Darth Vader was imposing. The Joker was chilling and unpredictable. Kylo Ren was a whiny little b*tch I couldn't wait would get off the screen.
America is the culture generator of the world with our movies. It's not victimhood to demand better stories and role models to aspire to. There are forces at work to display masculinity, marriage, fatherhood, brotherhood to be undesirable at best and loathsome at worst.

Women don't want weak men, they are repelled by them hard. Encourage maturity, morality, positive masculinity, or men will channel all their worst vices and act completely self-interested, and when enough men do that, it would spell the end of civilization as we know it.
Women have been insulated from poor social choices (ie. casual sex, single motherhood) for a long time, but that won't last forever.

"If you don't make stuff, you can't have stuff."

[SmokinAces2000]

There was just a movie that came out about male body builders called magazine dreams. Creed, John wick, the covenant. I can go on and on. These movies can all be deemed “masculine”. What is your idea of masculinity?

[Leon1]

No, Innumerable examples of the Husband Figure portrayed as the idiot, like the Simpsons all the guys are idiots or incompetent to some degree. Marge stoic Lisa intelligent Maggie a secret genius.
Family Guy, The King of Queens, Married... with Children, Malcolm in the Middle, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The Middle, Everybody Loves Raymond, Two and a Half Men etc etc on and on.

[caitycat21]

I don’t really agree with everything despot of Antrim says in the video but I do think it’s pretty insightful, in our media diversity is shoved down our throats in a way that just doesn’t accurately represent the real world; the ads about assisted su*cide are especially alarming. Even in a show I was personally very excited to watch (house of the dragon) they changed one of the noble families to be black even though they’re described in the books as having pale skin and white/blonde hair? On top of this there was already a well written black character in the books that was a whole dragon rider but they canned her storyline because why have well written characters that naturally fit into the original narrative when you can just race swap to receive cheap inclusivity points and artificially bolster attention to your show since everyone in the fandom will be divided over the casting

[MuddyMole]

No. There's an attack on dickheads, which is effectively an attack on working class males - which might be seen as an attack on masculinity, because working class males are typically perceived as being more masculine.

Pretty much any type of anti-social / disrespectful / offensive / unattractive behaviour you care to name, is associated primarily with working class males - excessive alcohol/drug use, violence, swearing, dangerous/inconsiderate driving in shitty cars (or on bikes) with loud exhausts, annoying neighbours with loud music, cat-calling, promiscuity and having children with multiple partners, etc. These are also the people who hold the most socially right-wing views, and are most likely to be racist, xenophobic and homophobic (they're the ones who have suffered from globalism, and understandably blame immigrants for taking their jobs etc).

Take someone like Andrew Tate, for example - is he really masculine, or is he just a dickhead?

[caitycat21]

I socially lean pretty right wing and I’m not racist/homophobic/xenophobic the average social conservative really isn’t a “neo nazi” or extremist red piller like Andrew Tate. They’re a loud minority that are often heavily criticized in right wing and centrist spaces

[MuddyMole]

You're right that he's an extreme example, and I'm not saying that all working class men (or all socially conservative people) do all of those things, but those are the kinds of behaviours that most people consider stereotypically masculine, and that are increasingly being considered unacceptable.

You see it even as early as primary school - a young girl who misbehaves is "naughty" or "difficult", while boys who are disruptive little shits will be considered "cheeky" or "just boys being boys" (and they're usually the teachers' favourites, not the quiet, well-behaved children). Being a dickhead, even as a small boy, is considered normal, masculine behaviour - but it shouldn't be.

Noone's trying to eradicate any _positive_ stereotypically masculine traits (eg. independence, practicality, competitiveness), and in fact they're encouraging women to adopt more of those themselves.

[NaultD]

A shift and change as all things do. Largest part is agency or choice to be the man you want to be.

https://youtu.be/49y7pHjJZh8?si=0lPpGQGLmYseFnFK

Ar the end of the show cotton died miserable and alone. While hank had problems with his father that impacted his home life he still became the man he wanted to be with propane and being able to be a good man of the house.

Masculinity isn't in of itself a bad thing. It's more about the actions and choices over others that cut off mutual respect.

Ar the same time Masculinity and mutual respect are rarely mutual exclusive. It's more about time and patience then anything else.

[Twalli]

Misandrists claim to feminist and that's where the hatred comes from. It also is why feminism has a bad rap. This is compounded bybthe fact that some if the most toxic misandrists tell women they are so superior to men, thst it is a gift to men if you choose to date them. The girls who believe this find it impossible to keep a long term relationship and don't know why. It's because they believe the narrative of women who have never had a long- term relationship. There isn't an attack on masculinity, it's just that misandrists are very loud

[mstbooblover]

Possibly men tending towards an alfa status may feel something like an attack on their masculinity going on in the Western countries, which may explain why extreme right wings are getting the votes of people. Actually, keeping in mind their outdated moral values, their rejection for women to decide things for themselves, of the LGBT+ community, of abortion, of female leaders, you name it, the evolution of our era seems somehow logic. Let's pray some balance will occur...

True nevertheless that alfa behaviour gets extremely annoying and outdated in an civilized society. Many women are tired of all that aggressiveness towards them.

On the other hand I noticed that there are still far too many other women wanting men to behave alfa like... Just take a look at dating sites, and look at what the ladies want from a man. Probably that's why the social conditions of so many women all over many countries, and some particularly obviously, are so appalling...

[SmokinAces2000]

No and I don’t understand why people always use toxic masculinity to argue this point. No one is arguing that all men or any form of masculinity is toxic. The term toxic masculinity is used to describe trying too hard to be a man by amplifying typical reasonable masculine traits to the point that it’s toxic not just to other people but to yourself. People hear toxic and masculinity and lose their minds thinking that people are claiming that all masculine men are toxic and don’t bother to actually research the term.

[Chazmatazz269]

Wholly debunked.

everydayfeminism.com/.../

Wanna try again?

[SmokinAces2000]

Aw a random article. You really disproved everything I said.

[Chazmatazz269]

You literally wrote “No one”, and insinuated that it’s 100% in men’s heads. So yeah, it only takes one article to debunk such a profoundly ignorant statement.
I could share dozens of articles like this, but we all know you won’t read a single one and admit you’re wrong, let alone change your willfully ignorant position.

I just posted here so others could see what an ignorant troll you are.

As you were.

[MrOracle]

It's been happening for decades already - the fact that it's happening cannot be denied - the evidence is everywhere.

The fact that US Democrats want to find out why they lost men, and turned to a fat lesbian Feminist activist for answers tells you everything you need to know.

[Babygirl_S]

Yes most of the girls or women out there are already treated like princesses unlike less developed areas struggling to keep women safe and free from abuse but they’re still asking for a feminist movement and now it’s about getting more instead of equal rights

[Anonymous]

No.

Literally none.
Unless you count masculinity as bullying, egotistical behavior, being mad over the littlest things your wife does, being a slob, and justifying unpopular rhetoric that benefits their weird unhinged groups.

I like men like me who can listen to metal, drink beers, hang out with the boys, lift weights, have lingerie supermodels on our walls without fear of judgement while throwing in kindness, compassion, emotional intelligence, logical discussion, open minded forum, and putting friends / romantic partners over ourselves once in awhile.

You can be ultra masculine and a nice person, they mix.

[Leon1]

Innumerable examples of the Husband Figure portrayed as the idiot, like the Simpsons all the guys are idiots or incompetent to some degree. Marge stoic Lisa intelligent Maggie a secret genius.
Family Guy, The King of Queens, Married... with Children, Malcolm in the Middle, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The Middle, Everybody Loves Raymond, Two and a Half Men etc etc on and on.

[exitseven]

I think it is over blown. Women are complaining that they cannot find a manly man who is a liberal. They day one thing but do something different.

[Joshydavid25]

Feminism was really never about equality.. It was always a Marxist power move by an elite group of women who wanted to be more important.. This was the plan all along.. To drive a wedge between men and women by vilifying men and devaluing masculinity... At least in men and because they value it in everybody else.. So yes... I do believe..

[DryGermanGuy]

By "the West" you probably mean the United States. Because I could witness none of the drama you described in the German speaking countries.

[caitycat21]

I don’t live in Germany but over there they’re literally imprisoning people over spreading “offensive” memes because of how insane your hate speech laws are

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...hatred-free-speech.html

[DryGermanGuy]

No, we are not. Our free speech laws are carefully balanced and are doing just fine for 99% the people. Neonazis, criminals and idiots are on the losing end in every country. Ask Alex Jones, Rudy Giuliani or FOX News how the US-American free speech laws are working for them.

[SotiCoto]

Right now what is most disturbing is the backlash to that.
All the pathetic little lads who demand tradwives and spend their entire time online insulting women for having jobs or nor being submissive. Guys who have been corrupted by noxious influencers to believe their entire self-worth is grounded in being a testosterone-poisoned weight-lifting thug.

Maybe things would calm down if everyone could just admit that a gender war isn't in anyone's best interests.

[MrChinaski]

Young men are doing worse than young women. Worse at school. Worse in employment... if you don't take college or a trade, there are basically no jobs available. Worse in relationships... again without education, marriage is a fading dream.

[Texasgal95]

I’m not gonna lie that’s something that bothers me sometimes as I owe you wanna be on the same level as men, but you don’t wanna get treated the same way as men I don’t know there’s gotta be a way that gets it where it needs to be

[Phoenix98]

Anyone who thinks it isn't going on is either part of it or is a fool it's everywhere to the point you can't un-see it.

[Agape93]

Nope. Just bad traits guys tend to have, and refuse to acknowledge are bad traits. Actual masculinity is fine.

[jshm2]

LOL, the funny thing about these "debates" is that they are usually abetted by permanent victim types.

It's why no one takes them seriously.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

obviously!

the left wants to destroy men and weaken men because they know that if we men were as strong and brave as Spartan warriors were centuries ago they wouldn't of gotten away with all the hell they've caused

[slatyb]

No, I believe that there is a lack of opportunity for non-college men as a result of globalization and automation.

[WonderingManII]

I don't think feminism was ever really about equal rights. It's about taking over.

[andreasderjuengere]

I get to read a lot of babble.

But I don't feel attacked.

[Guanfei]

I don't believe it, as it would be an opinion. There is an attack on masculinity, that's a fact. And those who promote it do it openly.

[Anonymous]

Usually my consensual wife/consensual girlfriend would have said in our marriage vows the wholesome words of either submit or obey their husband lol - if I was married. Ha

[sirderpsalot123]

Absolutely. Anything men do is criticized, and most behavior is labeled toxic.

[Dargil]

Its a passing social trend associated with wokism. There will be pushback.

[LiamJHayden]

I do not pay attention to what people who contribute nothing positive to my life have to say about how I live it.

[Ariesman81]

I wondered if anyone was gonna degrade you for caring. Seeing that only a man could care about men... smh.

[TrevorPhilips79]

Everything goes wrong; it’s men’s fault. Because we're an easy target, we need someone to blame.

[Jennz6]

@caitycat21

🥰 I think you are right

[captain_voidwalker]

I appreciate the thought but let's face it. It's going to be a cold day in hell or the literal apocalypse before it stops

[Sammygirl9287]

Most guys I know are either gay or at least pretend to be

[RedInnocent69]

No. Masculinity has got pretty toxic and certainly not at risk of going anywhere

[Jeff51]

Im in san Diego. I don't think so. Those big strong men look funny.

[Anonymous]

No, masculinity and femininity are just a social construct.

[cara00]

no it's fake news designed to get people angry and resentful

[Anonymous]

Get off your fake profile dude

[caitycat21]

Says the one posting anon

[Miah06]

Without a doubt

[Anonymous]

If I'm being honest, yes there is.

[blackeagle007]

Me too is to blame.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Has been for decades.

[Communicationisking]

Divide and conquer

[DonaldDarko]

Definitely.

[Anonymous]

Yeah clearly by left wing feminists

[Panthero80]

I think too many people overthink things.

[Godihateyou]

Only in Democrat cuck circles.

[DJB72]

Yep. Since the 50s.

[Anonymous]

No I dont. Congratulations to those feminists.

[eagle1951]

thats never ending