The war on traditional masculinity. Your thoughts?

[itsthatsteveguy]

[SnakeOilByShore]

The concept of an "alpha male" has always been a joke. They make for good characters in movies and books and media. In real life, you either have empathy and emotions or you do not. If an "alpha male" does, they are hiding them. If an "alpha male" does not, they are a Sociopath. Either they are acting or they are genuinely terrible.

Traditional Masculinity is not a joke. It's important. When men don't have enough testosterone, they can become depressed and unbalanced. And traditionally "manly" activities are good skills. Chopping wood is a good skill. Starting a fire is a good skill. Being able to debate is a good skill. Being analytical is a good skill. Understanding technology is a good skill. Skills everybody should learn, man or woman. Being able to control your emotions is also a good skill.

[SirRexington]

Well, there are many variations of alphas depending on the environment. Though confidence, assertiveness and ego are always visible in their behavior.

I myself am not a typical alpha as I don't have confidence with women. But in every other aspects of life I would be considered an alpha due to my proud nature and willingness to confront rather than run.

[lavenderlatte]

Traditional masculinity has not always been defined this way; the attributes we normally think of as traditional masculinity and femininity were not defined until the french philosophes did so in the Enlightenment era. For the majority of human history, masculinity looked a lot different than it did today.

I think that the retreat from the traditional ideas of masculinity is a cultural response to economic needs. The job market is in demand of those with high emotional intelligence, but not necessarily strength. When we raise children, we do so that they are economically successful and boys who grow up to be intelligent and empathetic are more successful than those whose main skill is brawn.

[Pamina]

1) The concept of alpha and beta males in humans is pseudoscientific bullshit that has been debunked long ago. I wish people would finally stop using this nonsense.
2) It's pretty pathetic how quick people are to proclaim that there's a "war" on certain social norms. War on Christmas and such. Usually conservative snowflakes. Totally ridiculous.
3) What is traditional masculinity anyway? The idea of masculinity has always changed over the course of history. Social norms have never been static, they always evolve. Some people really need to learn to stop being so shit scared of change.

[itsthatsteveguy]

Disagree. What a man is or what masculine traits are have stayed constant throughout history. The actions and ideals that were revered in ancient societies are roughly the same in today's modern world.
The recent development is the push back it receives now. Now, for some reason, all men are expected to be Ross from friends... its an interesting conflict.

[Pamina]

Then I'm honestly not even sure what masculinity means to you.

[itsthatsteveguy]

I feel like, and forgive me, that you just want a topic to rage about. I've met a number of women over the years that just hate men... no real reason behind it, they just want to oppose that side of culture. ... I guess we are all tribal and like to pick sides.

[Pamina]

Nope. Not even remotely. I generally don't like raging about anything. Sometimes it's inevitable or even necessary, but I prefer to avoid it when possible. And I don't hate anyone based on their gender.

But yes, I forgive you. You got a certain impression, I corrected you. It's all good.

[itsthatsteveguy]

Sigh...

[Pamina]

Sigh? Would you have preferred if your impression was right? I'm sorry, I really don't want to rage.

[BeMeanToGirls]

I have to back you up here, steveguy. The west has outlawed Masculinity.

[Pamina]

@BeMeanToGirls lol

[Soteris]

Is that how we are playing? Then I support @Pamina 100% and I am really impressed by how well you formulated it.

[yogagirl777]

T'Challa from Black panther is the perfect example of how to be strong and authoritative without verging into toxic masculinity.

[NaultD]

Did you hear about the thirsty girl breaking her retainer during the movie?

[yogagirl777]

@NaultD no hahaha but I'm not surprised. He's very attractive.

[NaultD]

The actor paid for the new one. Really funny story.

[VIVANT]

considering the invent of masculinity was to control non whites and women, im cool with doing away with it.

[itsthatsteveguy]

Yuck... what a gross thing to say. I'm going out on a limb here... you're a gender studies major.

[ThatPersonOverThere]

So minority men aren't masculine? That's a very weird racist belief you have there 😐

[FriendlyDrugDealer]

I don’t consider myself an alpha, I just do whatever I have to do to win in life without compromising my principles or letting anyone stand in my way.

Masculinity should be defined by the individual

[HamAndCheese]

Yes, I think traditional masculinity is under attack in today's society. With that said, we will persevere. We've always triumphed over adversity.

[BeMeanToGirls]

I don't know, man. Masculinity is the only thing that has ever kept any civilization afloat.

A wolf wouldn't persevere after chewing its own legs off.

[HamAndCheese]

Well then these legs are gonna have to give the rest of the wolf a firm backhand.

[Soteris]

About god damn time. I mean this nonsense has survived longer than the sociological theory it was based upon.

[MidnightCowboy]

Traditional masculinity is both outdated and stupid

[azzntittiz]

Men are inherently evil this is why they're suitable for war, but they need to take it down a notch when going about their everyday lives.

[your_ego]

Nope, try again.

[itsthatsteveguy]

Ugh... that sounds feminazi... are you a feminist?

[your_ego]

She is

[pixie_xoxo]

I don't like alpha males tbh

[BeMeanToGirls]

And other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself.

[pixie_xoxo]

Wtf?

[dancing_in_nebulas]

Is being won by the betas

[BeMeanToGirls]

You're right. And it's your fault for crushing the life out of alphas and making everything they do illegal.

[dancing_in_nebulas]

@BeMeanToGirls

Yes because I decided against gender roles and men being able to chop wood and kill bears and shit.

Lol you shouldn't be upset since you're a beta, you guys are winning 😂

[dancing_in_nebulas]

@BeMeanToGirls

Go team!

Look at him crying guys - big man is upset

😂😂😂

[BeMeanToGirls]

Got anything else you want to say?

[dancing_in_nebulas]

@BeMeanToGirls

Nope.

Good day sir ❤

[BeMeanToGirls]

Alright then.

Oh did you hear about that guy in Toronto who mowed down a crowd of women with a van?

[dancing_in_nebulas]

@BeMeanToGirls

Am I supposed to be offended or something?

Why can't men control their emotions?

For a self righteous gender that hates women so much, you guys sure act very feminine.

"Boo hoo, women no want to date me, lets shoot up a school"

Im so upset at women 😭 let me run them over.

Bunch of beta pussies.

[BeMeanToGirls]

A little compassion would go a long way. Those guys have been driven insane. But hey it's your funeral not mine 😂

[dancing_in_nebulas]

@BeMeanToGirls

Its not someone elses job to be your happiness.

Demanding someone has to act or be a certain way because you want them to be, is selfish and entitled.

Men are not nice to us either. We get called sluts, fat, ugly, left to raise children alone, cheated on, beaten - bullied, demeaned, left for dead.

All because men lack compassion enough to kill people because they throw a temper tantrum.

Im not sure why you find it amusing to encourage the genocide of your own species.

But we lack compassion.

"Did you see the guy in Toronto mow down all those women? ha ha 😂"

What is wrong with you?

Some guy run over your mother, sister, daughter or auntie - not so great is it?

But men are notorious for letting their egos get the better of them.

God and your older acting like this.

What a disgrace.

[BeMeanToGirls]

None of them are demanding women to be their girlfriends. They crave sex and they really have no reason to give a shit about society without it.

Easy solution: legalize prostitution for them.

And hey that's extremely dishonest how you describe men's treatment of you. We have ALL seen that women chase down abusive scumbags because that's what they're attracted to. You volunteer yourselves for that terrible treatment again and again.

It is no temper tantrum driving those men to murder. It is lifelong, permanent psychological torture. Once they figure out how fucked they are by society, they don't owe it anything anymore.

And I'm not encouraging genocide. I'm encouraging incels to do what blacks had to do to get fair treatment. To let others know that life will get very unpleasant for them if the exploitation continues.

You lack compassion because you won't for a second consider their feelings to be legitimate.

And you want to know what calms the male ego?
S E X

[Revolver_]

Traditional masculinity is good

[Magnun615]

You're forgetting about the omega males.

[Volvagia]

im alpha af

[Anonymous]

Im more worried about the war on christianity.

[CountessSarah]

A fiction.

[BeMeanToGirls]

#metoo is far from fiction.
Men can now have their entire careers destroyed at any woman's whim, whether they have done wrong or not.

[CountessSarah]

@BeMeanToGirls
How is that related? That just sounds like a total non-sequitar.
Draw me the connection between what you understand 'traditional masculinity' to mean and MeToo allegations?

[BeMeanToGirls]

Traditional Masculinity is men being attracted to and pursuing women for intimate, sexual relationships.

#metoo (much like feminism) sounded like a good idea to punish the bad guys. But (just like feminism) it has been abused to no end to destroy men at women's convenience i. e. an attack on traditional masculinity.

[CountessSarah]

@BeMeanToGirls
How is your idea of traditional masculinity different from just another other guy looking for a relationship? Your definition is fine, but it's so all-encompassing it's meaningless.

[BeMeanToGirls]

OK, then what did society tell you to think traditional Masculinity is? Because I know you don't have any thoughts of your own.

[CountessSarah]

@BeMeanToGirls
Cool, thanks.
If you just want to be an ass you can find someone else to talk to. I'm not invested enough in this topic to have a back in forth with you.

[BeMeanToGirls]

Haha. Gotcha.

Take note fellas, when you say something true that women don't like, they censor you. Goes to show which of the genders really believes in freedom of speech.

[CountessSarah]

@BeMeanToGirls You are not being censored. You've just demonstrated you're not interested in a civil exchange and I'm not playing your games.
You are not simply entitled to my time and attention. Sorry.

[BeMeanToGirls]

Civil exchange is impossible with most women is impossible. With most men, too, for that matter. Though more men are capable of it than women, so you took me by surprise. I expected the typical female garbage from you, and rightly so because it is the norm.
So let us exchange ideas.
I see a large scale concerted assault on men and masculinity in the West. Feminism masquerading as egalitarianism. #metoo allowing public crucifixion of men, with or without wrongdoing. All manner of male sexuality and sexual expression labeled crimes. Frustration with this is boiling over to the point of several mass murders targeting women specifically.

Yet your position is that it is all fiction. Care to elaborate?

[CountessSarah]

@BeMeanToGirls
"So let us exchange ideas."
Yeah, no, you already fucked that for yourself. It doesn't work that way. You don't get to be a dick, get called on it, then back peddle and think I'm interested in resuming where we were before.
Bye.

[BeMeanToGirls]

Alright, don't expect Civil behavior from men when the extreme majority of you have no civility.

[thevampire_queen]

I like beta males ♥

[Anonymous]

It’s women’s fault