Should FBI be completely shut down for corruption until it can be vetted?

[888theGreat]

It has been proven that FBI paid Millions to people if they could get anything dirty on Trump fake or not. FBI agents were heard to say we will get that Trump , he will never be President. Recordings prove it and the top knew this was going on.

They made up lies to Judges for wires and searches to get Trump.

I say shut them down until they can find all the corrupt leaders and agents and get rid of them.

They hid evidence to protect Hillary and Biden and Hunter Biden , also Obama. They all could have been impeached or sent to Prison.

Yes, corrupt

No, I like them working for the Democratic Party

[Kinkyhubby]

They have proven to be corrupt or they have no idea how to do their jobs. But I say more corrupt. Either way they are being used, or willing to do it. And should be shut down and a total overall needs to be done. They should not be allowed to be used political and they have been for 6 years.

[iamaMAP]

I agree. The FBI and the NSA should both be shutdown.

[888theGreat]

and homeland security

[iamaMAP]

I agree.

[RolandCuthbert]

It is funny even after the FBI was investigating MLK, even after the FBI covered up the Malcolm X assassination, no one claimed they needed to be shut down.

The minute they cross the turd, the most disgusting, biggest liar, corrupt president in history, you post about shutting them down.

You are not to be taken seriously.

www.nytimes.com/.../j-edgar-hoover-malcolm-x.html

J. Edgar Hoover hid that some witnesses to Malcolm X’s murder were F. B. I. informants.

Mr. Hoover, the agency’s longtime director, gave orders that led “multiple witnesses” to conceal their roles as informants, prosecutors said.

[888theGreat]

Again you wasting my time using Democrat news papers as references. That is like telling the fox to guard the hen house.

[monorprise]

Your right, the only reason we are talking about the abuse of this federal agency is they have finally become so bold as to go after a President and presidential candidate. Thus beginning to matter more to the entire continent than countless other issues which do directly effect everyone.

Until recently their own rules wisely prohibited such politically significant targets to avoid bring together a political collation willing and able to hold them accountable.

This is the key problem with any 'federal' domestic law enforcement organization, and why you can never truly reform the FBI. For even if we did 'reform' them today the same corruption and abuse would just happen again at a lower level against people like MLK tomorrow, until it once again threatened our republic.

The truth is the problem isn't the FBI it the nature of the Federal Government being too large and distant to ever hold them accountable.

The result is half or more of our federal leaders and national leaders really are afraid of this largely unaccountable secrete police type organization, and have been since they were created.

[RolandCuthbert]

So it isn't objective fact that the FBI investigated MLK or covered up the assassination of Malcolm X.

In your universe, the two men who were framed for Malcolm X's murder have not been released. It is just something promoted by a "Democratic" newspaper.

I get it.

But I just want show everyone how your brain works. Because it is quite obvious you are mentally ill. Anyone can look at a source in objective reality where these men were framed and just recently got released from prison. So it isn't that you care about corruption. You just want a department that is subservient to your lying freakishly corrupt turd of a president.

www.nytimes.com/.../...m-x-killing-exonerated.html

2 Men Convicted of Killing Malcolm X Will Be Exonerated After Decades

The 1966 convictions of the two men are expected to be thrown out after a lengthy investigation, validating long-held doubts about who killed the civil rights leader.

[monorprise]

@888thegreat The FBI did indeed spy upon and harass MLK and Malcolm X along with countless other less known about figures in the last 100 years since they were created.

This is exactly what you would expect from a largely unaccountable domestic LEO organization with vast investigate and prepositional powers.

There is a reason under the written Constitution such powers are soo localized, divided, limited, and carefully monitored. LEO powers are the most dangerous powers of a goverment has.

When the progressives created the FBI at the start of the 20th century they didn't have any constitutionally legitimate power to do so for good reason. This is why the FBI initially started as a more limited investigative service. Even then it was quickly abused, to "look into" political targets and enemies of the people running it and their political leaders.

The truth is the Federal goverment is never elected on how they wield such power, indeed we almost never even know about the cases of abuse against theses individuals. We know MLK was abused because he became nationally famous regardless and someone looked into it and wrote a story about it, the same is true of Malcolm X.

But most victimizes of this rogue agency were never so reported. Them and their ideas were effectively silenced if not killed as well.

[888theGreat]

FBI was in on JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcolm X, and Jimmie Hendrix deaths. Not to mention witnesses to these killings.

[Agagagagaga]

People have been criticizing the FBI for a goddamn looooong fucking time. Don’t play that weak-ass race card bullshit and say no one ever wanted the organization gone until Trump. Fucking assholes man. Goddamn. You act like the man is the goddamn anti-Christ. There is Before Trump, and After-Trump. He isn’t the most singular force in the universe. He’s just a man. Just like Biden. He’s just a man. He just happens to get lost and fall down a lot.

[RolandCuthbert]

@monorprise But they were held accountable, if they investigated the "wrong people". That's the point. To sit there and claim that the FBI was just universally corrupt doesn't make much sense. Especially since the President can hire and fire the FBI Director at his discretion. That is what needs to change. Because as you can see, trump thinks the FBI director works for him and not the Constitution. I think all law enforcement positions in the Federal government need to be confirmed by Congress. And then be held accountable by Congress.

I mean the DOJ is supposed to be independent from the White House anyway. But I don't want a popularity contest there. We need folks who are qualified in law enforcement to lead that organization.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Agagagagaga Racist little bitty incel, you only mention the FBI because your daddy told you to. Sit down and let grown folks talk.

When the "Black" Panthers, the Nation of Islam, etc. complained about the FBI, your "White" supremacist friends claim they were race-baiting. Now that they are investigating your corrupt turd of a President we are supposed to listen to you.

Get the fuck out of town.

[Agagagagaga]

You get the fuck out of town you racist shitbag.

[monorprise]

@RolandCuthbert They are usually not held accountable just as we normally never hear about it. The only reason we are even talking about it now is they have finally become so bold as to threaten half the country by going after a president.
Normally few people would know and fewer still would care enough to actually cast a vote on the issue over hundreds of other issues which actually do effect us even if we did.

Previous before the FBI became soo large and protected by civil Service laws a president might actually have a reasonable chance of controlling the organization. A fact that really just gave him the ability to do to others what the FBI today effectively does on its own to whom ever they want including now Presidents.

At this point with 35,000 employees the FBI is far too large for anyone particularly a person who just joins it to really know what is happening beyond what they are spoon fed by the agents who work there.
Hence how the FBI like every other federal agency really works, and why Federal elections increasingly don't matter.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Agagagagaga Little bitty incel. . . your feelings are so hurt. And I am so not caring right now.

:D

[RolandCuthbert]

@monorprise Didn't the FBI Director get fired under trump?

Didn't William Sessions get dismissed by Bill Clinton? I seem to remember the Ruby Ridge incident. Where an FBI sniper killed an innocent woman.

As for the organization being large, that makes no sense to me. The issues are "qualfied immunity" and lack of accountability. Again, make director/assistant director accountable to Congress, not to the President.

Bring them before a panel when there is questionable conduct. And hold the officers who are responsible accountable.

[888theGreat]

Have you decided what building you are going to burn down after Republicans sweep the elections and control congress?

[Agagagagaga]

Incel? Who me? Dude I just went on a date a few weeks ago and I get hit on fairly regularly by women when I go out to bars. Getting my dick wet isn’t especially difficult.

Who hits on you? Fags and queers? It wouldn’t surprise me. You seem like you’d be a power bottom to some twink with a two inch cock because you’re impressed by how hung he is.

[RolandCuthbert]

@888thegreat Nah. . . not a violent guy. And unlike you, I don't justify violence because of my politics.

If the trumplicans sweep Congress, then we will lose our democracy. And I will get every family member out of this country before I see them swinging from the gallows. . . for simply believing that they have the same rights as everyone else.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Agagagagaga You are so dumb, you didn't know I was talking to you?

:D

Little bitty incel, you okay over there? You don't sound so good.

[Agagagagaga]

You sound like a queef. A big, soggy bald vagina letting out farts from between that cunt flap you call a mouth.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Agagagagaga You still there you cute little bitty incel.

You look like you are really mad this time.

Don't have a stroke over there.

[888theGreat]

So if Republicans win , you are moving to Africa or something? South Africa?

[Agagagagaga]

@RolandCuthbert What? No I don’t get mad at monkeys, I just shrug my shoulders and laugh like everyone else at the zoo.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Agagagagaga Of course you are mad. And you always fall back to your kindergarten racist insults.

Because in the end, you are just a child on the internet. Saying the n-word.

:D

[RolandCuthbert]

No dude. I am going to Europe!

:D

All my friends live in France, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, the Netherlands, etc.

I am supposed to have family in Togo. But I haven't been there yet.

LOLx10!!!

Y'all racist freaks are crazy.

[darealmvp2015]

What is it that the Republican Party so eloquently said to myself and other more left leaning people back in 2016 when Trump won and became the President and we expressed misgivings?


Oh yeah, I remember now. Here let me share that same advice with you now.


“If you don’t like it, then leave.”


All the things you claim to have ‘proof’ for are simply unfounded. Let’s see the proof? Where is it? Is it hidden at Mar a lago? Is it with the my pillow guy? Or is it hidden with Rudy Guliani at the sex toy shop?


I’m so tired of this shit. Just accept that the Trump time is over. Nobody is out to get him. He’s a criminal. He played you all for fools and now he’s trying to do it again. It’s truly pathetic how you all line up to get his balls in your mouths one by one.

[monorprise]

It would be nice if we could vote with our feet as you suggest. "National" and really international reach of organizations like the F. B. I. make that rather impractical if impassable. So standing and fighting really is the only option post their creation in the 20th century by progressives.

That said if you knew the history of the FBI you would see the larger issue with this "Federal" LEO and want it totally abolished too.

This is what the FBI is, this is what they have been doing since day 1.

The only reason we are even talking about them is their current leadership has finally gone so far as to threaten the interest of half the country with the attack upon a president.

That in itself is in fact the whole problem, because every other case the FBI gets away scot free, most of the time we don't even hear about it. When we do its often the FBI's story because most people for good reason are too scared to challenge theses effectively unaccountable Federal LEO agents.

[MagicMan28]

In Arizona 2020 election, 20% of the ballots were found to have fake signatures. This was by an independent investigation by the state legislature. You can easily find the report online.

So there is your proof. There are many other examples but just this one is more than enough.

In 2022 same thing happened. 250,000 mail in ballots in Maricopa County AZ had fake signatures. That's how the democrats cheat.

[darealmvp2015]

@MagicMan28

Show me the proof. You find it. Then present it to me. I’m not doing the work for you. You said I can easily find it online. Let’s see it.

[Ill_made_Knight]

Sure. All of the arms of law enforcement and the military including the Secret Service need to be vetted and cleaned up.
There certainly appear to be far too many white supremacists and members of subversive paramilitary groups that have slid through the cracks... by all means let's get those anti-democratic folks out of public service as quickly as humanly possible.
Our democracy is in danger and everything in our power should be done to stop this creeping right-wing authoritarianism right now.

[Keyboardkat]

The FBI, like all law enforcement, should be absolutely apolitical! They should not be working for ANY party!!! Their job is not to promote the interests of the Democratic Party! Their job is to enforce the law impartially! PERIOD! It might keep the Democrats more honest if we had a non-political FBI! I have lost all confidence and trust in the FBI as presently constituted! I didn't like J. Edgar Hoover, because he made the agency an arm of his own personal likes and dislikes. But he would be horrified if he could see the FBI now!

[monorprise]

The FBI like similar federal domestic law enforcement must be totally abolished!
There can be no room in a free Federal Constitutional system of a continental scale for such a domestic law enforcement agency.

Such a government's primary area of election is both too incomparable and distantly from the subject of abuse of such a domestic law enforcement organization for them ever to be effectively accountable.
As such your just asking for high level corruption and abuse.

The 100+ year history of the FBI is a testament to this effect, having a long history of such abuse spying upon and persecuting political enemies as a effectively unaccountable politically motivated secrete police organization.

[ArtieWhitefox]

Islam needs to be rejected. They must not be allowed to fill the void. People need to determine had they be like Jesus or not with fear and trembling.

[TroyDT2]

What I can say with certainty is that they violated FISA rules by using the unverified Steele Dossier to get warrant. All who knew and were involved in presenting it as verified should be fired and prosecuted. The FBI offered $1M to get verification. FBI supervisory analyst Brian Auten testified that Steele never got the money because he could not “prove the allegations.”

Even CNN admitted that it was unverified.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/11/politics/steele-dossier-fbi-durham-danchenko

[Aerissa_Jade]

Disband, let federal marshals take over their work.

The FBI has a long history of abuse of power, that seems to be continuing.

[cloud9vortex1234]

So you got a Former President lying about the election being stolen and employees in the FBI lying. Trump isn't any better then they are. I actually think he's worse because the lie is so damaging to democracy. No, I don't believe the Entire FBI should be shut down just because their are some Bad Apples in the organization. Theirs Bad Apples in all walks of life. I honestly have trouble believing what your saying, but yeah it's possible.

[monorprise]

The trouble with the FBI or really any "Federal" LEO isn't so much that they abuse their power to push their own agenda.
Its that they been doing it consistently for 100+ years because the only goverment that could hold them accountable is consistently elected for every other reason letting the FBI free to do almost whatever their corrupt unelected and elected leaders want.

The organization must be totally abolished, It will almost never be held accountable by congress anymore than it ever has.

[cloud9vortex1234]

@monorprise And what would take there place if you had your wish?

[Guy13]

Can’t shut it down but changes in Education led to the corrupted Federal Communist Stormtroopers. Local Police is it and that’s why Left wants to defund. FBI carrying IRS, and Tobacco Firearms: Land/Citizens , TSA: air, ? Sea.

[monorprise]

We can work to cripple, defund, and ultimatum abolish these 'federal' criminal organizations.

1) We can demand our congressmen cut their funding and drastically reduce tier number of agents.
2) We can demand our State legislators withdraw 90% of their practical support by outlaw State & local LEO cooperation even.(This can even be done issue by issue as it is now on Pot, and Gun).

We who are small and numerous can continue to speak out against their abuse and educate our countrymen on the inherently abusive and unaccountable nature of a 'federal' LEO. Together more and more population support for Total abolition of theses unconstitutional criminals threatening our freedom for 100+ years.

Now is among the best times to do this, the far left have been stired up against all LEOs blindly.

The right has been foolishly stired up against the deep state LEO's specifically by their bold attack on top level leaders. Really factions of the right have always hate them as unconstitutional and abusive, just as the left for the same reasons really.

[Guy13]

@monorprise Sorry. You are rambling and I can’t get it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[hIopinionated_]

The FBI should be shut down but not for that reason. The cause and effect of their past is disgusting, they have murdered sooo many innocent people. People like them do not deserve all that power

[normalice]

Obviously not. Despite the far right fake news trying to smear them just because white supremacists are finally being investigated, the simple fact is the FBI has been lead by moderate Republicans for decades, and still is. Not that that should matter.

Maybe consider the long list of benefits of just stopping being slavishly loyal to criminals 🤷

[monorprise]

Look at the long history of the FBI and you may realize this kind of abusive behavior thou taken to new heights in terms of targets is nothing new for the FBI.

They have been abusing their power to target, spy upon, suppress and harass political enemies of their leaders since day one.

The problem is the nature of a continental scale goverment being incapable of holding a domestic "law enforcement" agency accountable for their crimes against individuals. As almost all such individuals are too distantly obscure to be known about and politically insignificant to matter more the continental issues on which their political leaders run on every 2-6 years.

We are only talking about their abuses today because after 100 years they have finally become so bold as to go after a president. But the FBI remains the primary threat to freedom and democracy it has always been in this country.

[888theGreat]

@monorprise FBI stole all the people's items from bank deposit boxes because they thought a drug dealer used the bank. They never proved it but kept innocent people's belongings. Bonnie and Clyde dream come true.

[monorprise]

@888thegreat I am aware of this insolent like many other by this unconstitutional and effectively rogue agency going back 100+ years.

The abuses of the FBI and other similar 'Federal' LEO' are many, and unfortunately mostly unknown and unaddressed.

A direct result of the continental nature of the ONLY goverment they can be held accountable to. Making all of their victimizes with the exception of those few more recently high profile targets too distantly obscure and politically insignificant to the election of the only politicians who can hold the FBI accountable.

This is why we can NEVER reform the FBI, any 'reforms' you implement now will be meaningless as soon as next year, and simply set the FBI back to less politically significant targets again to avoid such accountability. The agency must be Totally abolished!

The States & local governments alone are capable of LEO tasks because the States alone are regularly elected for this propose and can be overseen by an independent Federal Government as well as the vote of our feet to deal with such abuses.

[normalice]

The current leader of the FBI is a Trump appointee, so.. I get how good it feels to believe there's some entertaining conspiracy theory going on but like all law enforcement most are just doing their job. Reform is certianly necessary for the sake of impartial justice, yes, but it is almost certianly not the sort of reforms anyone on the far right is thinking of - because they want very partisan justice indeed.

[monorprise]

@normalice When an agency has more than a ~600 people most of whom you cannot effectively fire you don't run it so much as you are run by it.

This is particularly true if you don't know those people as you can't know what they don't choose to tell you. Therefore more offend than not they run the agency and your just the jury being led to an indictment of whomever they choose.

This is a problem with any large organization, particularly organizations like Government's whos employees can't be easily replaced and who's leaders regularly don't know what they are doing. Hence why you don't tend to see too much of a difference regardless of whose in charge.

[normalice]

Thats pretty typical far right fearmongering there and I'd urge you to recognize it and what it does to you. Lumping whole swaths of people as "the other" who you can't know about so you shouldn't trust them beyond what you would trust a house full of spiders or something - that's the foundation of all far right thinking. Assume everyone else besides you and your tribe are operating on animal instinct by default and then it is doesn't take grad school calculus to figure out you have to do everything you can to protect yourself including keeping everyone else far away. But ten minutes talking to normal people outside your tribe usually ends is opening the door to doscover that's just paranoid nonsense. Not online, though. Online is a house full of rabid spiders.

[normalice]

*rabid squirrels. Typo..

[monorprise]

@normalice Factionalism is rather common to all parties of any sizable organization in which large numbers are required to accomplish something. IE democracy.
Thou it is a great evil and consistently the tool of leader who use blind loyalty it to achene their own ends first.
That does not change the fact that factionalism is a necessary evil to accomplice anything, merely that we must remain individuals and think for ourselves. The faction must work for you Not you for the faction.

That said while you are correct that nearly everyone is an individual and most quite intelligence, a faction tends not to act that way for it must act in accordance to their common interest. As it turns out the higher the level of thinking required the less common it is as the more complex variables are required which may deviate.
Hence why factional behavior tends to follow ever more simple reasoning and basic instincts. To do anymore require more complex commutation and agreement of an ever more diverse group.

You actually see this phenomenon in media as well as politics as popular music becomes ever less complex to appeal to ever more broadly diverse populations to make ever more money from each of them.

This phenomenon is also one of the reasons why you don't want more commonly shared goverment doing anything complex at all. It is simply impractical for such a diverse population to agree on managing it more than a primitive. So for example OUR federal goverment should not be anywhere near healthcare.
We would thou elections only be able to agree to bash it into the ground with a hammer democratic if we don't mercifully ignore it to the hands of largely unaccountable men who do whatever THEY want with it.

[normalice]

I'm aware it's in the democratic party, yes. That doesn't alter the fact that Democrats strive to correct it whereas Republicans openly embrace it. Tribalism is how we have survived as a species for millions of years so it's not going to go away just by someone calculating that it is scaffolding that has become unneccisary. People have to want to be rid of it if they want civilization to transcend it, and the right is actively working to try to keep people clinging to it. Every time you hear the "if you don't like it go away" thing, every time a politician encourages his followers to "knock the crap" out of people who disagree with them, every time people thirst to jail political opponents who haven't committed a crime - that's all crack for the tribalism part of our brain, and that is overwhelmingly stuff that comes from republicans.

And they do this because they know their policies are unpopular. They know if it was plainly stated to the public: "should we destroy the mechanisms for sharing power or should we start getting real regulatory on the people who have accumulated as much of the power for themselves as they can?" people will overwhelmingly choose the latter. But the entire 10,000 year goal of the far right has been the former.

So they lie. They insist that politicians should be entertaining instead of competent. Insist the public be satisfied with chasing hilarious goals that they tell us like "fire 87000 irs agents lol!" instead of doing what we tell them like "fix this damn road and pay teachers more."

[USLegionary]

No but maybe the FBI leadership needs to go. You can't have federal agencies like the FBI or IRS acting like a wing of any political party.

[monorprise]

@uslegionary Exactly how do you expect any new leadership just as effectively unaccountable to be any different than every other lot of FBI leadership since the days of J Eggar Hover when they regularly spied on, setup, and harassed potential political enemies like MLK?
This is what the FBI is, this is what they have been doing since day 1.
The only reason we are even talking about them is their current leadership has finally gone so far as to threaten the interest of half the country with the attack upon a president.
Otherwise the FBI get away scot free because in practice we almost never care about the rights of the individuals they trample upon more than the countless other actually Federal issues that effect us personally.

The real problem isn't the FBI its the distantly accountable and always distracting nature of the only "Federal" Goverment they can answer to. The FBI must be totally abolished, States alone are equip to manage domestic LEO responsibly as they did prior to the 20th century progressive era.

When a State screws up there is at least a 50% chance you will have a interested federal executive and court to hold them accountable and if all else fails you can vote with your feet.

[exitseven]

They should be eliminated and a new national law enforcement needs to be formed with bipartisan people and some kind of charter so this never happens again.

[monorprise]

Unfortunately there is no "reform" you can give to a domestic "law enforcement" run by the federal goverment.
The problem isn't the organization its the obscurely distant and political insignificant nature of the subject of abuse of any domestic law enforcement organization that makes any federal LEO effectively unaccountable. As the FBI has been over its entire 100 year history.

There was a good reason the founders didn't include this power in the Federal Constitution Not only does the federal goverment have few if any domestic laws to enforce, it is institutionally incapable of doing so against mere individuals accountability.

[ArtieWhitefox]

Jesus did not make the FBI or internal revenue, or federal reserve or legal system or jails or money. Jesus obeyed the loving Unseen Father God. He does not want anyone to perish. God wants us to be free.

[spartan55]

Better yet, let's just have NO federal law enforcement at all...😂 😂

[Anonymous]

Disbanded forever. When you spend more time tracking down grandma who was in DC on January 6th, but not at the Capitol, than you do looking into Larry Nassar; you are not a worthwhile police agency.

[loveslongnails]

LOL Nobody has EVER had to set up Trump to find shit that he's done that's illegal, immoral or impeachable. All you have to do is wait. Poor Donald. Karma is such a bitch.

[myabe123]

Regardless of political opinions it's messed up the FBI knows a lot that they should tell us and don't.

[Surely]

They need to be investigated by a bunch of good ole boys and then the guilty ones tarred and feathered! Judges included!

[monorprise]

What would that do? Even if you could just find someone in D. C. who would both honestly investigate and trust their own inquisitors.
The FBI would go back to the same old abusive behavior almost as soon as they were done for the same reasons. They know we will almost never know what they are doing, and even less often cast our federal vote every 2-6 years on account of it rather than the countless other issues which actually effect us personally more.

[Surely]

@monorprise Good ole Boys. Meaning someone that money doesn’t mean much to.
Seems to be enough evidence to bring down the leaders of the FBI, a couple of judges. Whole lot of Democrats. Even Killary. Plus Brandon at the top!
But it won’t happen, even a little bit, depending on how people vote next month!

[Anonymous]

The day I vote for trump, is the day the sun dies

[888theGreat]

FBI question , not a Trump question. Boy you people are going to jump off a cliff when Trump wins again