I don´t hate feminism I just don´t think it´ll ever come to an end because equality in an absolute way where everybody is equal towards everyone is an illusion there will always people that lead and others that follow. Either guy´s lead or women do. It´s not going to be both of them at the same time. The other reason is that there will always be women that say they are in a disadvantage towards guys and therefore need to be acknowledged more and need to be supported more and that guys should check their privileges in general since being a guy = is the same being privileged. I don´t hate the movement I just think it´s flawed because it seems to view the world in a black and white scenario where men create the problems and women bring the solutions.
Feminism's main objective, as is LGBT, is to destroy the traditional Family which undermines a country. This is nothing new and the same patterns go back as far as the Jews of Abraham up till Rome collapse forward etc...
If Society was cognizant of general secular history, USA would know this and what we are dealing with as it relates to a functioning Republic. And if there was a Biblical understanding of History then one would understand it much clearer.-There is no "Fluff" clouding the movements like Media and Internet of our day.
The Elites and leftists Communist behind this have no desire for an educated public beyond the impulsive Selfie and Internet clickers... Being informed is good !!
Second that there seems a need to establish female superiority and dominance rather than equality. A lot of women these days seem to want to degrade men or impose their philosophy on them.
Lastly, women do have it a lot better than men in a lot of ways. As on the Titanic, women and children first. The same applies now. And I'm sure you can whittle off a fairly extensive list how women have it better in many regards. If anything, it's men that are lagging behind and suffering a real lack of empowerment. The reason for this maybe manifold, but it is happening.
The problem with feminism is that it posits that women are an oppressed class, and they are oppressed by patriarchy.
It treats mean as a monolithic class instead of individuals. Which could be fine I guess, but then the problem is then therefore it must be acceptable to treat women as a monolithic class in kind, and of course they don't want to do that because they're women and they're privilege seeking.
Listen lady, if you get to say that men are rapists then I get to say that women are lazy. Pick a lane.
For the same reason people hate other "movements" like LGBT, redpill/blackpill, MGTOW, incels etc. Because they are HYPOCRITES!
If feminism is about equality, then why 90% of people you see that are self-proclaimed feminists are always women and talk about the problems women face and even make them be bigger and more than the problem men face (please let's not start a topic on that one...)? On top of that, they have a terrible behavior, refusing to elaborate and see their own flaws and wrong takes. The same as the movements I referred.
Maybe feminism was truly about equality at some point (probably when it was created) but all I see it now is women who complain about everything and blame others for their misery which is the product of THEIR terrible choices.
But what I cannot forget and forgive is the fact that they try to drag others women to become like them.
I would consider myself an anti-feminist because it was never about equality.. It was always about taking power away from those they didn't want to have it.. The past is Grey and roles weren't made to subjugate an entire gender, but to protect for survival.. We live in a relatively safe environment here in the West where the threat of violence or land taking is something we cannot even fathom.. Feminism took all the nuisance situations of the past, and made them into a Marxist "Black" and "White", slave and master type of revisionist history.. And they continued to get worse to the point where the regular person just don't like the movement.. I love women, and I'm glad they don't have to love in the restrictive roles of the past, but feminism was not to catalyst for that, it was progressive inventions and less dangerous circumstances that alleviated those restrictions..
I would call myself a feminist in the old fashioned way. Modern feminist? Absolutely not. I prefer to identify as egalitarian.
I think a lot of people do not like modern feminism because of the way some feminists are trying to prove senseless points such as them wanting to be shirtless in public, and also because some feminists are not open-minded enough to realise that women are not the only group of people with gender-specific or -related issues. Could also be because of the crazy minority of mad-hatter tier "feminists" who are misandrists. And also the victim mentality that some feminists carry around, emphazising that women are always victims.
Key word: "some". Not "all". I believe there are good feminists out there.
Your question inspired me to do a mytake, its a really good question that made me think hard.
Nobody wants women not to vote, not go to school, not pursue happiness, not leave an abusive marriage -- these are basic rights everyone should have. But damn, just do those things without attacking the male gender. Do you know 93% of inmates are men? And you want the world to be fair? Start by going to prison and balance out that population. Then sign up for selective service. Then watch men on the news constantly being told that they're the aggressors. Take all the hard jobs in the world that women don't want. Live with that view of your gender for a little while and then you'll understand -- feminism is pure hypocrisy.
I don’t hate feminism, I’m ambivalent to it, I worked with a succession of feminists during the 80’s while I worked as a volunteer with a conservation organisation in the UK.
When they joined the organisation they insisted that they were equal to men in every respect – so I let them get on with it, shifting rocks, carrying 7ft straining posts, rolls of fencing wire, straining said wire, usually it took them less than 6 weeks to realise that they were not equal to men in every respect, they had their strengths/weaknesses as do men.
There was once an article on "true feminism" from an ex mainstream feminist, who had opted out of mainstream society into a theocratic band of intentional communities, which declared true feminism to be the enhancement and bolstering of women's natural biological giftings, from which men tend to differ. It made the point that the "women's liberation movement" in essence has liberated women into a prison of trying to be like men, rather than into trying to celebrate being better at being the ways more natural to women than to men. It was interesting to see a fresh perspective in this.
I am against gender equality because the genders are not the same. If you're a woman for it, please step into the boxing ring with me and I'll show you how men and women are different. Trying to pretend men and women are the same is nonsense, doesn't make people happy, it's just bullshit. That's the best case scenario because on top of that I think feminists are liars and not even trying to have gender equality, for example they only want more women ceos... but not garbage women. So they are not authentic, they have an agenda to only make women better than men.
I used to think feminism was good but I gave it up because the feminists who are in the position to make actual changes (of which I didn't elect them to) are more interested in pointing fingers and blaming than solving the actual problems both sexes face. I have a lot of issues with the rhetoric they have because I believe they don't actually solve anything or actively divide the sexes further. This isn't to say that you, specifically, want that to happen but that is why I chose to abandon that ship.
Because action speaks louder than the words they always say. It is nothing more but just a label. You can see there are many kinds of feminist but all of them seem to disagree on each other with all one thing in common which is to believe that they believe in the patriarchy where women are oppressed while ignoring the other side of the story and ignoring means issues but those who say that they also help men while being a feminist, the act of calling themselves one is really enough to get someone to not trust them. And if the opposed the idea of masculinism being equality then that is double standards that movement can't accurately be equality. We all know one thing for sure that the word equality itself is equality but they have to use feminism
www.youtube.com/watch I was just summarizing this video but these are all the arguments debunked. And I just wanna point out that this has over 46k likes and only 757 dislikes
in reality ya can't generalize feminism like that because it has 2 parts equity which im actually cool with which is about equal rights for women and gender what your specifically addressin is gender feminism and that's because it's all about preferrential treatment at men's expense gender feminism actually has white supremacist roots it was actually the white supremacist battle of the sexes over what would be done with black slaves durin antibellum slavery it started in 1792 and actually became mainstream in the 1960's and had to do with a white woman hatin that a black man can vote but even then for black folks to vote back then they needed specific family members present
Feminism is not about equality. It's about female supremacy and spreading misandry. Every day you see a feminist find some way to belittle, emasculate and/or demonize all nen and their issues, while claiming that women's issues are the only issues that matter and should be focused on. That does not spell out equality. Hell the name itself isn't pertaining to equality since it's called FEMINism. Egalitarianism is about equality.
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Politically, because Feminism in America is a toxic political organization speaking to demand for unreasonable benefits more than an organization speaking up for actual women needing that.
Personally, I neither hate feminism (not self-claimed feminism organization) nor female doesn’t play their role.
(There are female too feminism that leads to some unexpected male and female relationship. However, I will say I don’t like men who literally ‘choke’ after taking a lot of red pills. Red pill is good for men. I admit that, until someone choke too much and wants to play back the game manipulating women in the past instead of focusing on making them a better male. It’s a 21st century now. Some self-claimed alpha male even put their on the scale, not even a bit equal to a person they call beta male. And honestly, real alpha male don’t need to say too much shit in social media, and race to pull the benefits back from feminism.)
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Most people who are against modern feminism do actually support gender equality, so that should tell you something. If any of the original feminists were alive today they would be disgusted with what the movement has become.
I get tired of feminists saying they are the "real feminists" and the others are "fake feminists". The fact is that if you call yourself a feminist today, you are supporting today's feminism, and today's feminism is gynocentric, anti-male, victim minded, divisive, toxic and sexist. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is either blind or just very dishonest.
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I don´t hate feminism I just don´t think it´ll ever come to an end because equality in an absolute way where everybody is equal towards everyone is an illusion there will always people that lead and others that follow. Either guy´s lead or women do. It´s not going to be both of them at the same time.
The other reason is that there will always be women that say they are in a disadvantage towards guys and therefore need to be acknowledged more and need to be supported more and that guys should check their privileges in general since being a guy = is the same being privileged.
I don´t hate the movement I just think it´s flawed because it seems to view the world in a black and white scenario where men create the problems and women bring the solutions.
Feminism's main objective, as is LGBT, is to destroy the traditional Family which undermines a country. This is nothing new and the same patterns go back as far as the Jews of Abraham up till Rome collapse forward etc...
If Society was cognizant of general secular history, USA would know this and what we are dealing with as it relates to a functioning Republic. And if there was a Biblical understanding of History then one would understand it much clearer.-There is no "Fluff" clouding the movements like Media and Internet of our day.
The Elites and leftists Communist behind this have no desire for an educated public beyond the impulsive Selfie and Internet clickers... Being informed is good !!
I suppose it has certain connotations these days.
One of militarism.
Second that there seems a need to establish female superiority and dominance rather than equality. A lot of women these days seem to want to degrade men or impose their philosophy on them.
Lastly, women do have it a lot better than men in a lot of ways. As on the Titanic, women and children first. The same applies now. And I'm sure you can whittle off a fairly extensive list how women have it better in many regards. If anything, it's men that are lagging behind and suffering a real lack of empowerment. The reason for this maybe manifold, but it is happening.
I suppose it also seems oppositional rather than wanting to bring women and men together in some form of affection.
I am not against female soldiers, but feminism is full of hate and childless women.
https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/spot-the-man-behind-the-man/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/03/japan-low-births-population-decline-2021/
You're pretty based right Waltz?
The problem with feminism is that it posits that women are an oppressed class, and they are oppressed by patriarchy.
It treats mean as a monolithic class instead of individuals. Which could be fine I guess, but then the problem is then therefore it must be acceptable to treat women as a monolithic class in kind, and of course they don't want to do that because they're women and they're privilege seeking.
Listen lady, if you get to say that men are rapists then I get to say that women are lazy. Pick a lane.
For the same reason people hate other "movements" like LGBT, redpill/blackpill, MGTOW, incels etc. Because they are HYPOCRITES!
If feminism is about equality, then why 90% of people you see that are self-proclaimed feminists are always women and talk about the problems women face and even make them be bigger and more than the problem men face (please let's not start a topic on that one...)? On top of that, they have a terrible behavior, refusing to elaborate and see their own flaws and wrong takes. The same as the movements I referred.
Maybe feminism was truly about equality at some point (probably when it was created) but all I see it now is women who complain about everything and blame others for their misery which is the product of THEIR terrible choices.
But what I cannot forget and forgive is the fact that they try to drag others women to become like them.
I would consider myself an anti-feminist because it was never about equality.. It was always about taking power away from those they didn't want to have it.. The past is Grey and roles weren't made to subjugate an entire gender, but to protect for survival.. We live in a relatively safe environment here in the West where the threat of violence or land taking is something we cannot even fathom.. Feminism took all the nuisance situations of the past, and made them into a Marxist "Black" and "White", slave and master type of revisionist history.. And they continued to get worse to the point where the regular person just don't like the movement.. I love women, and I'm glad they don't have to love in the restrictive roles of the past, but feminism was not to catalyst for that, it was progressive inventions and less dangerous circumstances that alleviated those restrictions..
I would call myself a feminist in the old fashioned way. Modern feminist? Absolutely not. I prefer to identify as egalitarian.
I think a lot of people do not like modern feminism because of the way some feminists are trying to prove senseless points such as them wanting to be shirtless in public, and also because some feminists are not open-minded enough to realise that women are not the only group of people with gender-specific or -related issues. Could also be because of the crazy minority of mad-hatter tier "feminists" who are misandrists. And also the victim mentality that some feminists carry around, emphazising that women are always victims.
Key word: "some". Not "all". I believe there are good feminists out there.
Your question inspired me to do a mytake, its a really good question that made me think hard.
Everyone hates anything that is labeled because no is better than the other.
we all should be labeled on one roof which is human rights.
nothing more nothing less.
Everyone has been a victim in their life so no need to categorize things.
Nobody wants women not to vote, not go to school, not pursue happiness, not leave an abusive marriage -- these are basic rights everyone should have. But damn, just do those things without attacking the male gender. Do you know 93% of inmates are men? And you want the world to be fair? Start by going to prison and balance out that population. Then sign up for selective service. Then watch men on the news constantly being told that they're the aggressors. Take all the hard jobs in the world that women don't want. Live with that view of your gender for a little while and then you'll understand -- feminism is pure hypocrisy.
I don’t hate feminism, I’m ambivalent to it, I worked with a succession of feminists during the 80’s while I worked as a volunteer with a conservation organisation in the UK.
When they joined the organisation they insisted that they were equal to men in every respect – so I let them get on with it, shifting rocks, carrying 7ft straining posts, rolls of fencing wire, straining said wire, usually it took them less than 6 weeks to realise that they were not equal to men in every respect, they had their strengths/weaknesses as do men.
There was once an article on "true feminism" from an ex mainstream feminist, who had opted out of mainstream society into a theocratic band of intentional communities, which declared true feminism to be the enhancement and bolstering of women's natural biological giftings, from which men tend to differ. It made the point that the "women's liberation movement" in essence has liberated women into a prison of trying to be like men, rather than into trying to celebrate being better at being the ways more natural to women than to men. It was interesting to see a fresh perspective in this.
I am against gender equality because the genders are not the same. If you're a woman for it, please step into the boxing ring with me and I'll show you how men and women are different. Trying to pretend men and women are the same is nonsense, doesn't make people happy, it's just bullshit. That's the best case scenario because on top of that I think feminists are liars and not even trying to have gender equality, for example they only want more women ceos... but not garbage women. So they are not authentic, they have an agenda to only make women better than men.
Anti-feminist.
I used to think feminism was good but I gave it up because the feminists who are in the position to make actual changes (of which I didn't elect them to) are more interested in pointing fingers and blaming than solving the actual problems both sexes face. I have a lot of issues with the rhetoric they have because I believe they don't actually solve anything or actively divide the sexes further. This isn't to say that you, specifically, want that to happen but that is why I chose to abandon that ship.
Because it makes men feel diminished. Men are afraid losing their control over women. Men want to maintain the patriarchy.
They like to make excuses that feminism is a hate group. It really isn't. Vast majority of feminists have nothing against men.
Because action speaks louder than the words they always say. It is nothing more but just a label. You can see there are many kinds of feminist but all of them seem to disagree on each other with all one thing in common which is to believe that they believe in the patriarchy where women are oppressed while ignoring the other side of the story and ignoring means issues but those who say that they also help men while being a feminist, the act of calling themselves one is really enough to get someone to not trust them. And if the opposed the idea of masculinism being equality then that is double standards that movement can't accurately be equality. We all know one thing for sure that the word equality itself is equality but they have to use feminism
*ignoring men's issues
www.youtube.com/watch I was just summarizing this video but these are all the arguments debunked. And I just wanna point out that this has over 46k likes and only 757 dislikes
in reality ya can't generalize feminism like that because it has 2 parts equity which im actually cool with which is about equal rights for women and gender what your specifically addressin is gender feminism and that's because it's all about preferrential treatment at men's expense gender feminism actually has white supremacist roots it was actually the white supremacist battle of the sexes over what would be done with black slaves durin antibellum slavery it started in 1792 and actually became mainstream in the 1960's and had to do with a white woman hatin that a black man can vote but even then for black folks to vote back then they needed specific family members present
Feminism is not about equality. It's about female supremacy and spreading misandry. Every day you see a feminist find some way to belittle, emasculate and/or demonize all nen and their issues, while claiming that women's issues are the only issues that matter and should be focused on. That does not spell out equality. Hell the name itself isn't pertaining to equality since it's called FEMINism. Egalitarianism is about equality.
Politically, because Feminism in America is a toxic political organization speaking to demand for unreasonable benefits more than an organization speaking up for actual women needing that.
Personally, I neither hate feminism (not self-claimed feminism organization) nor female doesn’t play their role.
(There are female too feminism that leads to some unexpected male and female relationship. However, I will say I don’t like men who literally ‘choke’ after taking a lot of red pills. Red pill is good for men. I admit that, until someone choke too much and wants to play back the game manipulating women in the past instead of focusing on making them a better male. It’s a 21st century now. Some self-claimed alpha male even put their on the scale, not even a bit equal to a person they call beta male. And honestly, real alpha male don’t need to say too much shit in social media, and race to pull the benefits back from feminism.)
Most people who are against modern feminism do actually support gender equality, so that should tell you something. If any of the original feminists were alive today they would be disgusted with what the movement has become.
I get tired of feminists saying they are the "real feminists" and the others are "fake feminists". The fact is that if you call yourself a feminist today, you are supporting today's feminism, and today's feminism is gynocentric, anti-male, victim minded, divisive, toxic and sexist. Anyone who doesn't recognize that is either blind or just very dishonest.