Can you support abortion and also believe that the fetus is alive?

[JessicaEarl]

Yes

No

[MCheetah]

Probably. I mean, it isn't "dead." But it being alive/born or not isn't the point of contention; it's whether or not it's a fully developed human or not, which is the point of contention. Kind of like deciding when does flour, cheese, and pizza sauce stop being flour, cheese, and pizza sauce and becomes an actual pizza.

Pro-life people believe aborting a six-week old embryo is the same identical thing as stabbing a three year old to death with a rusty knife until it stops breathing (yet for some reason, don't apply the same logic to sperm and eggs, for some unknown reason). That's their insane logic.

While more rational people believe that a six week old embryo isn't the same thing as a 7 or 8 month old developed baby that can survive outside of the womb via C-section, hence the words "embryo, fetus, and baby" being distinct terms of the three trimesters.

They can also tell you that a fetus has the brain development of a vegetable until six months, meaning it doesn't even have pre-birth consciousness yet, which means you can also argue whether that is considered to be still "alive" as well.

This is why pro-choice people don't see an embryo or fetus as being "a living human baby" identical to an infant or toddler, like pro-life people (falsely) associate embryos and fetuses as being, when they're objectively NOT.

TL;DR: Regardless of it being "not dead," an embryo is not a developed baby yet, so abortion literally isn't "murder," like retarded sanctimonious people like to believe.

[crossdressingrihno]

I’m “pro life” for a completely different reason.

That human life has already been created and has the potential to become the next Gandhi or Elon musk or MLK. Sure they could also become hitler or Epstein but if that happens we can just stop them.

Humanity requires more thinkers and everyone with decent potential to become the next great thinker to bring humanity to its next stage is incredibly valuable and should be protected because without them we will die and just be left a smoldering ball of ash and broken dreams.

There are so many things that could bring humanity to the Brink and most of them go unchecked. It doesn’t matter if our feelings are hurt if in the next 300 or 400 years humanity is just sidewalk chalk and mass graves.

Disease, war, political upheavals, depopulation, oppression, starvation, mass panic, environmental decay, social evolution taking a sf destructive turn. All these things can and probably will destroy us if nothing is done and the normal people are just aren’t smart enough or resilient enough to do anything about it.

That is why humanity needs to breed in more geniuses and killing them off before we can even measure the potential is just going to wipe us off the map.

[FunnyGiy]

@crossdressingrihno that’s a good way of putting it. Embryo, fetus, and baby are stages of development. Like toddler child and adolescent and teen

[MCheetah]

@crossdressingrihno
It's fine if someone is personally pro-life for their own moral reasons. I'm talking about the ones trying to get the government to control what you can and cannot do with your own body, including opting out of parenthood, while these assholes sit on a porch somewhere a thousand miles away. No one gives a f*ck if someone if pro-life if they're pro-choice, and beyond expression different opinions on the internet, it should be left at it.

I've said several times that most people are assholes who pretend to like freedom, while only wanting it for themselves and oppressing others' freedom and liberties when they're "offended" by them. The left does it more, but the right and everyone else are guilty of it, as well. And I f*cking hate people like that! Someone in Arkansas thinking they can tell someone in Ohio whether or not they're allowed to opt out of parenthood or not.

And these same sh*tstains also never want to pay a penny more in welfare programs or government assistance programs to ensure these children can stay alive by their apparently negligent mothers who are likely unfit to be mothers or raise a human life, to begin with. Pro-life isn't "pro life," it's anti-abortion cause all the virtue signaling stops as soon as the kid slides out her cooch. At that point, it's "I don't give a sh*t what happens to the little f*cker; not my problem."

[MCheetah]

(cont'd)
This isn't even getting into there already being way too many people who DO exist right now and not enough resources to go around. If we were living in a Utopia with endless energy, food, and resources and no unemployment or poverty, then sure; outlaw abortion. But we got enough real kids to worry about without moral fagging over imaginary ones.

I seriously hate the pro-life argument. It's no one's f*cking business but the parents who decides to be a parent or not. And no amount of retarded religious "logic" or virtue signaling should ever change that. I'm not a woman, but I'm all about not letting dickheads tell me what I can and can't do with my own life.

As for your argument, that is an environment problem; not a reproduction problem. Until corporations stop f*cking over the middle class to cull and limit future competition, everything you said is going to remain.

[crossdressingrihno]

I mentioned more than just environmental problems

Social, economic, political, biological, psychological and other types of problems are slowly killing off humanity.
As for the environmental problems? Corporations aren’t gonna change for little old us so it’s up to US to fix the problems THEY make. As is most of humanity is just not suited for the upcoming troubles. Fact is we need to start filtering what ends up in the gene pool but before we can even do that we need to identify that theirs not enough suitable candidates to sustain humanity.

[crossdressingrihno]

As for overpopulation. Most of humanity are just Lemmings each of them unknowingly fallowing others off a cliff. They walk off willingly and without hesitation.

Also we have plenty of food. The starving are starving not because theirs NO food but because Americans and europeans hoard all the food. NGL theirs more than enough food to cure world hunger however we just throw it into landfills and forget about it.

Housing wouldn’t be an issue if we used our space more appropriately. Matter of fact I bet we could comfortably fit most of the world population in just north and South America with a little innovation and ingenuity.

The issue isn’t overpopulation the problem is we’re over flowing with the wrong population.

[MCheetah]

@crossdressingrihno
I don't disagree with you there. Most of your ideas I agree with, but I'm also too blackpilled to think humanity will ever get its sh*t in order when we've had 5,000+ years to do so, and most people of this species are still retards and lemmings who believe in magical sky daddies and homophobic pedophiles who talk about 72 13-year-olds in the afterlife. I mean, I'm not trying to sh*t on religion, but when most of the planet is this stupid, I think ideas like yours are unfeasible. I'm not Liberal or Conservative, but good luck trying to find other people who are free-thinkers and reject labels and group mentalities.

Your ideas are basically "reject this retarded version of humanity and start working on humanity 2.0," while my ideas are "plug some holes in the sinking ship long enough to at least save a few people from the icy cold watery death that's inevitable." I don't disagree with you. It's just regarding abortion, most people are more willing to hold onto their retarded logic that "God" or "Allah" or whoever told them, than they are to save their own lives. It's no wonder most politicians don't respect their constituents. People can't even respect each other and are willing to take away their OWN freedoms, if they don't elect people "on their side" to do it for them. Just because the left is more notorious for doing it doesn't mean they all don't want to do it.

[FunnyGiy]

Conservatives stand united against abortion

[crossdressingrihno]

On the political compass I’m almost dead center between left and and right but I’m also an extreme authoritarian.

[FunnyGiy]

@crossdressingrihno me too. Some think I’m far more extreme then I am. Definitely not authoritarian

[crossdressingrihno]

Well I am an extreme authoritarian.
I take a very utilitarian view on human life and that affects my politics greatly.

[Guy13]

The facts are, and you should verify with Harvard, DUMC, and John Hopkins, that life starts at conception. The layman science goes as follows: both the male and female fluid possesses a full genetic 🧬 code, therefore, Identity. When those two separate Identities meet and join at Conception one has Life. In two weeks, before most know they are pregnant the heart is both formed and beats regular rate. This is not difficult.

—At the point of conception, there is a separate and defenseless life contained within the Mother. Mother’s Intelligent Design is to provide and defend rather than premeditate a means to murder the life and using her womb as a genocidal tool to do so…. since Roe v Wade

[Anonymous]

Well, I believe its an alive in the sense that it has the potential to be living, just like sperm and an egg aren't dead but I don't believe a soul is possible until at the very least the first brain wave. Some religions think it's at the first movement, some think it's at birth, and apparently, some even believe at conception. Some people act like everyone is predestined to be here and are against birth control. Perhaps they would be against abstinence too who knows? Some religions are against men and women having sex for any other reason than to procreate. In any case, I am pro-choice. I'm not against restrictions but I think they should be reasonable and left in the hands of medical professionals. Every medical professional I know has considered the ethical implications of what they do, I trust them and I also trust women to make these difficult decisions with them.,

[Kori1236]

Technically speaking it is alive. Unless for whatever reason the heart stops and it dies. But that doesn’t make it a person. I support abortion; it may not be a choice I can say without a doubt I’d make, but it is a choice that should be considered a valid option. But I do think there needs to be rules and cut offs; plus ones own morals. For me personally passed 10 weeks I consider viable and wouldn’t be able to abort. But before that assuming I find out in time and I’m not in the right place to properly raise a kid it would be an option to consider.

[AviatorTom]

It's not a question of whether the fetus is alive, it's when the fetus may be considered human, and traditional medical opinion is that the fetus may be considered human when it is viable outside the womb. That means survival on its own, with minimal support, which is often considered to be around 28 weeks gestation.

That's why some states allow abortion prior to 24 weeks, and only if the mother's health is in serious danger after that.

Please note that sperm and ova are considered alive, but they are not yet human.

[Brittanyroseee]

Exactly. Smart man!

[MCheetah]

@AviatorTom
Thank you!

[QuadDamage]

Finally someone with some god damned sense.

[Kaneki05]

Anyone who say's it not a living thing is delusional, anyone who thinks abortion is wrong because it's a living thing is delusional.
Anyone who believes a Fetus has human rights is delusional.

And finally if one is to undo something unborn because it's best for them not to grow up with a shitty childhood then it's delusional to say "no we should bring them in anyway so they can be abused by the system." because simply you aren't making anyone's lives better just worse.

Short answer yes.

[crmoore]

To preface, I support early term abortion. I'm not of the opinion that just because the cells are living then it is a human being already. But you seem to be of the opinion that any fetus, regardless of progression, is acceptable to terminate.

And if your reason to terminate it is because it would have a bad life, then do you support terminating the lives of the poor? Or the disabled? And if not, what makes it right to terminate an 8-month old fetus, obviously without its consent, but not okay to unconsensually terminate the life of the poor or disabled? Shouldn't whether they live be up to them, not you?

[Kaneki05]

You compare adults to a fetus. If you cannot see the inequality of those two things and how they are not the same then there is no reason to argue with you because simply one again is delusional.
Other people know there is difference between a homeless man and fetus if you can't figure it out get help please.

[crmoore]

TL:DR Stop avoiding responsibility, just answer the question.

Firstly, it seems more like you're avoiding the question because you're not sure you can defend your stance in the face of a critical, more in-depth analysis.

Secondly, I was not comparing adults to a fetus. My comparison included minors, as well, since minors can be poor and disabled (I'd like to imagine this isn't news to you). But even if I was comparing a fetus to an adult, comparing two things is not the same as considering them "equal" or "the same."

In this (wrongful) case of yours, there'd be no need for the word "compare" since there's no need to compare things that are exactly alike, and apparently (according to you), there's no need to compare things that aren't exactly alike. Yet, here we are, living in a world that uses the word "compare." So perhaps you're willing to rethink your stance on what it means for someone to compare two things.

[crmoore]

Thridly, if my line of questioning really was just so dumb, then wouldn't it be rather easy and timely for you to answer or refute? Or do you find outwitting delusional people to be difficult?

Speaking of which, isn't "oh you're delusional so I don't have to answer your question" the easy way out? Not to mention, since your rationale behind my supposed delusion is that I "can't figure out the difference between a homeless man and a fetus," and considering I just explained how that assertion of yours is invalid, then I presume you can finally answer my question, right?

Lastly, do you really think it's reasonable to have asserted that I don't know the difference between a fetus and an adult? I know people often get wrapped up in arguments and act emotional, but take a step back and look at this suggestion of yours. Do you truly think I, or anyone on this platform, can't tell the differences between a fetus and an adult? Isn't this just a silly, childish argument? Like you know you're not being truthful, yet you still said it. It's pretty silly, kind of a waste of time. I'd imagine it's within your ability to debate like an adult, so, politely, I request that you do so.

[crmoore]

TL: DR*

[Kaneki05]

@crmoore Are you saying TL:DR to yourself because if so yes I agree. And if your saying it to me 3 Sentences been considering TLDR just lol.
If you knew the difference you wouldn't ask me this in the first place and obviously my answer is no to those examples in your questions because they are different situations.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I do. It's where I differ in opinion from most republicans. I think killing those babies is better for eliminating crime, unwanted children getting treated like shit, and it would reduce the number of welfare queens. So when it comes to abortion I'm pro-choice.

Doesn't change my opinion about morally corrupt people that don't take their sexual responsibilities seriously. I still think they're living retards. Lesser evil for the greater good though. My kids will just be fine and dandy.

[MCheetah]

I agree with you. So many people are just "anti abortion" cause they don't want to lift a f*cking finger when it comes to the hard financial truths that come in raising children. And if the mother can't do it, the state will. These same retards want lower taxes, but also don't want to pay for the taxes of keeping a single mother's child alive, as if they can have it both ways and as if money grows out of thin air.

As for the "sexual irresponsibility" part; I fully agree with that too. Honestly speaking, I believe no human adult with an IQ under 120 should be allowed to have sex or reproduce. But that would eliminate like 90-95% of humans from having sex (which I'm fine with), and I think most of them wouldn't like that. The reality is, stupid people from all sides of the political and social aisle are f*cking. And until we outlaw stupid people f*cking, we have to deal with the responsibilities and consequences that come with that. And leading to more unloved children from negligent parents and overpopulation as a result from some right-wing virtue signaling BS like the pro-life argument, is one of the most idiotic ways to avoid dealing with that.

[Chazmatazz269]

I’m absolutely certain that most people who support abortion do understand that. That’s why they use terms like “parasite” to justify their zeal to kill it. This is pretty common these days. Don’t like someone? Dehumanize them so that you don’t have to acknowledge the depth of your sociopathy when you decide that your life would be better if they were dead and gone. Ell oh ell! It’s one of the great detractors of the internet. There’s no reason whatsoever to treat other people with dignity and respect; especially in the age of “bots”.

[Anonymous]

Is alive or is a person? Factually the fetus is alive, and I hope everyone understands that. But a tree is also alive. A fetus, early on, does not have a developed brain and is not self-aware. It's not sentient. It's not a person.

So yes, I think you can support abortion and also know that a fetus is alive. Hell, you can support abortion and believe that a fetus is a sentient person. You'd be wrong, but you can believe it. A wise man once said "Sanctity of life? The hell is so sacred about it? I've seen you fuckers."

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

https://youtu.be/y2TFCsCvXRo

Factually?

[Opinion Owner]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Yes, factually. Don't get your information from a random uneducated person on youtube. Get it from doctors and scientists who are actually educated on the subject and can prove their claims.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19092726/

I'd dig out my psychology textbook if I had more spare time. There is no evidence to suggest that a fetus is self-aware and self-awareness doesn't actually happen until months after birth.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

That paper talks about conscious not life. And I have researched after seeing that video. The guy, who is also a biologist, is right. Most scientists don't consider conception to be the beginning of life.

Because science doesn't work on abstract or feelings. They would have to identify the exact process that creates life. And the entire thing is mitosis and other biological process that in on themselves don't creat life.
Many argue that live doesn't even end, that the sperm and egg are alive as much as the fetus is.

[MCheetah]

@Anonymous
A rare smart post on an abortion post. Well done!

And the "Sanctity of life" is also doubly ironic when you consider most pro-life people aren't vegans and probably eat unborn, dead babies every day for breakfast with their toast, sausage, and bacon. But it only matters when it's "an aborted human." As if this trash species is so special. (I'm not even a vegan saying that, either. Humanity just mostly sucks.)

[Herbologist]

Well most women understand this but support infanticide anyways. Tbh the cats out the bag, women will be getting abortions forever in the West. Waste of time arguing this issue.
I think we need to focus more on preventing unwanted pregnancy by not promoting casual sex to teens and young adults in education, media, and culture.

It would save girls a lot of emotional distress, to be more chaste, selective, and view sex as spiritual and emotional, not just some compulsive habit. (Men are guilty of this too by the way)

[AndrésC64]

Absolutely. Just because something is alive doesn't mean that it's a human. And even if it is a human, what gives it more rights than the mother? The mother can't even be forced to give up a single drop of her blood to save a 3-year-old. Why should she be forced to give up the use of her entire body for a 3-week old fetus?

[Brittanyroseee]

Love this. Had to save that!

[Danny_dan92]

I don’t consider it being a live baby until it has a heart beat.


If we wanna call a clump of cells a “baby”


Then in that case, every wasted egg from a female is an abortion and everytime a man ejaculates all those wasted sperm cells is an abortion as well

[HippieVeganJewslim]

How old must it be to have a heart? Ain’t a brain more important? A sperm or an egg ain’t an abortion, as they haven’t been fertilised.

[Brittanyroseee]

A 6 week old fetus has a heartbeat. A heartbeat doesn’t signify life, brain activity and consciousness does which happens way later down the pregnancy

[Danny_dan92]

Without a heartbeat the brain dies. So yeah

[Brittanyroseee]

Not true dannyboy. Watch the show alone, on netflix. They literally gut out fish and have the heart BEATING on the palm on their hand, heartbeat does not equal life. People in a coma have a heartbeat but are legally dead.

[Danny_dan92]

They are hooked up to a machine that cycles the blood for them…

If you think I’m wrong. Make your heart stop and see how long you live

[Brittanyroseee]

Also, people who are a vegetable, sit in a wheel chair 24/7 of every miserable day of their life with a blank expression on their face. No brain activity no consciousness. It’s a proven fact yet they have a heartbeat.

[Brittanyroseee]

Again watch the show alone please

[Danny_dan92]

👍🏼

[Brittanyroseee]

www.wired.com/.../amp

[Brittanyroseee]

Please read this article sir, it debunks the whole heartbeat bullshit

[Brittanyroseee]

A women does not find out she is pregnant until 6 weeks and this is when abortion bans are cutting it off. It’s ridiculous if im raped im removing that unnecessary useless thing out of me and throwing it into the garbage where it belongs

[Brittanyroseee]

And abortion bans are targeting rape victims. It’s truly disturbing. There was already a few cases of little girls who were raped and forced to go through the pregnancy. Nasty asf

[Danny_dan92]

If you think I’m pro life. I’m not. I’m pro choice, but I’m not supportive of women getting abortions late term. That’s not right

[Danny_dan92]

Just like I’m pro gun, I do think there needs to be SOME regulation, can’t let people do everything they want cause there are some people that are sick in the head

[Brittanyroseee]

Most women get abortions early. Again, the heartbeat is there at 6 weeks. Most women don’t find out until 6 weeks. Heartbeat doesn’t equal life. Brain activity does

[Brittanyroseee]

Um most abortions are not done late lol

[Brittanyroseee]

If they are done late its for a medical reason

[Danny_dan92]

Well. It’s common sense to check every once in awhile if you as a woman had unprotected sex.

Whether it being consensual or not.

There is a plethora of changes that happen once the egg becomes fertilized.

At 6 weeks, the most obvious change is the bump. But prior to that there are a bunch of other changes

[Danny_dan92]

There are also women who get late term abortions cause the father of the child to be breaks up with or walks away shortly before the child is born. So they just decide to get rid of it.

There are a bunch of different categories of women that get them

[Brittanyroseee]

Tbh sir, I don’t give a flying fuck what people do.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Brittanyroseee if they’re targeting rape victims, that’s good. A rape victim that wants no kid should have the right to abort the kid before a brain forms.

[Brittanyroseee]

They are not. They are banning abortion in cases of rape bro

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Brittanyroseee I guess I misunderstood You. Excuse me. I find it wrong to ban abortion in such cases at appropriate times.

[Brittanyroseee]

You can literally search it up. States in the south are beginning to ban abortions in all cases even rape and incest.

[Brittanyroseee]

A 12 year old in Alabama got raped by her uncle and she was denied an abortion by the court. She was forced to give birth and she gave it away. She should have never had to go through the pregnancy and giving birth all just for a rape fetus.. you can search this up, it happened in 2019 before covid. Another case is of a 10 year old in Ohio, she was raped and also denied abortion. Prolifers do not care for kids. They are FORCING little girls to carry rape fetuses and give birth. It’s nasty

[Brittanyroseee]

Another case was in Florida. A 15 year old was also raped and denie abortion.

[Brittanyroseee]

Denied*

[Brittanyroseee]

Kids and teenagers do not understand or have the capacity to be a parent let alone to carry a pregnancy. Kids are not fully formed.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

@Brittanyroseee sorry for my language, but that’s really fucked up. CSA has some mad government twats. Rapists should go to jail, directly to jail without passing go or collecting 200 rubles.

[Danny_dan92]

Lol funny. I literally just spat out facts when it comes to using your brain and having some sense of responsibility and you had no counter for that.

Also sad how you’re arguing with someone who is pro choice but I’m not entirely cause I’m aware there are circumstances where at least having the option to an abortion should be available.

[Brittanyroseee]

@Danny_dan92 why should i take responsibility of a fetus I don’t want? I never want kids. I actually don’t like children and i hate infants so why would I sacrifice my body and my mental health for a fetus?…. I would have absolutely no emotional connection with it. So yea, i would abort it. Im also on birth control, it can fail. Don’t tell me to not have sex with my boyfriend/husband lmfao

[Danny_dan92]

Responsibility in that if god forbid you get raped. Or you choose to have unprotected sex. And you know you do not want to conceive a child. You take measures to prevent that from happening. Duh. Take a plan B pill the day of or the following day.

Given you don’t like kids you could then just get your tubes tied so you can have all the sex you want without the risk of getting pregnant.

I don't know, I said this cause it’s really not that difficult or complex. I feel like a lot of women act surprised when they become pregnant “how did that get there” 🤦🏻‍♂️

[genericname85]

dead things don't grow and develop. it's a living organism developing into a child. it wouldn't develop into a child, if it was dead. abortion is the act of killing the developing, living fetus. i mean if you're having a stillbirth, that means the fetus died at some point in it's development. so that means it was alive.

[Hypermotard1916]

Yes, It is duty of mother to protect the fetus, as your society is failed, republicans needs government assistance thorough judiciary.

A women should be repulsed by abortion. I don't know why so many abortions happen though, are your women so biologically incompetent to have miscarriages or mentally deranged to consider it normal. i dont know...

[Brittanyroseee]

Nope its not my duty sir. I don’t care about fetuses. I also never want kids. Sorry.

[Brittanyroseee]

I would have 0 emotional ties to the fetus.

[Brittanyroseee]

That’s why IDGAF

[Hypermotard1916]

@Brittanyroseee HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Even I don't care how your civilisation ends.

[Brittanyroseee]

Same! Idc either cuz we all die eventually! Im here for a good time not a long time✌🏼

[Hypermotard1916]

@Brittanyroseee seems like you took it personally by the number or replies, don't worry it is not your fault that you became degenerate. It is 3 generations of brainwashing that caused this...

[Brittanyroseee]

Because I don’t want kids? Am I supposed to desire them? I hate them

[Hypermotard1916]

@Brittanyroseee Told you not your fault, don't feel bad, it is your fate of past Karmas, that now you have to live a life of western degenerate, I will pray for better life for you...

[Brittanyroseee]

I would be miserable with kids, so idc

[Brittanyroseee]

Im not on earth to be a birth giver. Im here to live my life the way i want to

[Brittanyroseee]

Just because im a woman doesn’t mean i must have children or like them.

[Hypermotard1916]

@Brittanyroseee have a good life, that's all I hope for you

[Brittanyroseee]

I have a great life. Fulltime career doing what i love, 40k in savings all to myself, im going to paris next month to see my best friend. I have great friends. I love my life! I don’t need kids to be happy.

[Brittanyroseee]

Its not my duty to be a mom.

[Hypermotard1916]

@Brittanyroseee I never asked any woman to be a mom. You misunderstood me...

[Anonymous]

If a baby is deformed and won’t live much longer, it threatens the life of the mother to wait until the body possibly rejects the child. Then yes. This is just one version.

I know two people who had children who had their heart and stomach grow outside of the poor child's body. That is cruelty to be forced to live in a world that has the ability to ease suffering.

[crmoore]

Yes. In the same way that someone's skin cells are alive but don't grieve when they get a cut. Or the same way a man's sperm is alive but doesn't grieve when he has a wet dream (inevitably killing all of the living cells in his sperm).

But if we're talking about mid to late term abortion, probably less so.

[Twalli]

The fetus is alive. The argument is whether or not it is a person. Since it doesn't have any frim of identification anywhere, I don't see how. Also at a certain stage it is identical in looks to a pig and elephant fetus. Those aren't given the same rights even though if you have a picture of all 3, you couldn't tell which was which.

[ConfusedGirl100]

Why are there so many abortion questions. I seriously wish Gag had an option so we can choose if we want to see these kind of questions or not as it is quite triggering for many of us.

[Anonymous]

Animals are alive, and I eat them. I don't support abortions past 6 weeks though. I wouldn't rip off a pig's limbs for pork since it'd be very painful, but since a nervous system probably won't have developed by that point, the baby hopefully wouldn't be in pain.

[JessicaEarl]

Fetuses feel pain at about 19 weeks, and an abortion commonly consists of pulling them out a limb at a time

[Opinion Owner]

I'm pretty sure 19 weeks isn't right. Maybe it's convenient to think that, but there's plenty evidence against it. Most people I see stretch it to 15 at most.

[BeMuse]

I mean there are evil people in this world that kill their own children. Not everyone is good.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Unlike those such people, You’re right.

[FunnyGiy]

No. I don’t. I think it’s murder. I can see why some people might support it. But only to a point.

I will never understand late term abortion

[HippieVeganJewslim]

There’s a late term and a former term? What’s the former term mean?

[FunnyGiy]

@HippieVeganJewslim late term would be the 3rd trimester maybe late second

[HippieVeganJewslim]

What the heck is trimester and what’s up with the ordinal numbers?

[FunnyGiy]

@HippieVeganJewslim meaning three stages. A semester is 2 and a trimester is 3

[FunnyGiy]

@HippieVeganJewslim some argue that there is a 4th trimester but then it would not be a trimester anymore it would be a quadmester

[HippieVeganJewslim]

So one stage is three months, and a trimester is nine months? Third trimester is so unkosher. One stage (three months) may be OK, if the noodle hasn’t formed yet.

[FunnyGiy]

@HippieVeganJewslim because it’s three stages of development. Like a school year is a semester because it was broke into two parts.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

Nu, I recall schools can break a ‘year’ into four or sometimes six marking periods. Each containing eight or six weeks, respectively.

[FunnyGiy]

@HippieVeganJewslim they can. But that’s not the point.

I was explaining why it’s called that.

[HippieVeganJewslim]

I mean semester is completely alien to me, and I graduated high school when I learnt that it meant half a year. Maybe it’s more common in college, but I didn’t go.

[FunnyGiy]

@HippieVeganJewslim it means two parts. A trimester is three

[FunnyGiy]

So pretty much three major stages of development

[HippieVeganJewslim]

If abortion is wished it must be done in the first stage, I reckon.

[FunnyGiy]

@HippieVeganJewslim yeah. I’m pretty much just pro life. Bur I can be empathetic to some views on it.

Does not menw I agree. Just not the radicals

[monorprise]

Sure can, People support killing other humans at every age as well.

Doesn't make you a particularity good person unless your alternative was somehow worse.

[Apple1996]

Umm yeah they're alive even the egg and sperm before that are considered alive. That doesn't make abortion wrong just like if you didn't use your sperm or egg doesn't make that wrong.

[LazerBean]

Of course, there have been people who devalue humans around since forever.

[FunnyGiy]

Amen!