Elon Musk FREE SPEECH absolutist (em, when people agree with him) has lost over $200 billion. Conservatives love unprincipled hypocrites?

[holdem4884]

Elon Musk Becomes First Person Ever to Lose $200 Billion

After buying Twitter, Elon Musk’s has turned the social media platform into a dumpster fire.

His crazed right wing comments have alienated Twitter advertisers and petrified Tesla investors. He's destroyed his public image by trashing the very progressives who WERE BUYING HIS TESLAS.

Musk blames the economy for Tesla's shareholder wipeout but that's obviously crap. Sure, markets are down but the S&P 500 are down 20% in 2022 while Tesla is down 65%!

Elon's net worth collapse is biggest loss of wealth in modern history!!! What a douche!

[SamIam96]

People seem to undervalue luck in the success of people like Musk. He was in the right place at the right time when he started Tesla. He's no genius, just lucky.

If he were really smart, he wouldn't have let hubris fool him into thinking he could actually manage the workings of a company. Instead, he would have purchased Twitter and crowned a qualified CEO.

He still has a boatload of cash. The rich will always "succeed" even if they F^¢k up as he has.

[lightbulb27]

goes to show how divided the country is, and how politically emotional it is. I don't recall such a mess like we have now in society. might as well divide the country.

lots of stocks are down, and Tesla was beyond nose bleed levels. Truth is, it was over prices and over hyped... thanks to Elon and his BS machine. Has he released those self driving cars yet... hahahahahahahaaaa!!!

Cyber trucks?

[holdem4884]

Tesla was wildly overpriced and would have gone bankrupt years ago in a real market without government subsidies and manipulated investors.

What's amazing to me is that Musk spent years as an illusionist crafting a public image as a genius and mustered a huge legion of fans.

He's totally tanked that in a matter of weeks and didn't seem to think it would happen. He was shocked when a crowd booed him (for the first time) a few weeks ago at a Dave Chappelle show. It went on for a solid 10 minutes and only stopped after he left the stage. He is Tesla and he's trashed his image in the eyes of those most likely to buy his cars, what a moron!

[lightbulb27]

Yes, he has to learn how to handle the left delicately or he can lose a lot of customers. That's a very good question... what % of people buying Teslas are CNN/MSNBC loving "lefties"? Analysts covering Tesla should report that...

"pump and dump"... maybe he's smart, he sold early, cashed out billions. After Tesla fully tanks, he can buy some back at cheap prices. I don't think he's sweating that. Twitter, FB/Meta, and the others were at "ludicrous" levels going into "full on brakes" from the Fed, good to burst their bubbles.
It all depends where that Chappelle show is hosted... he was in San Francisco, probably an eye opener. And to think... all he did was expose how unfair Twitter was in colluding with the govt and controlling media. Speaks volumes about the mentality today... that is feeding the division. Democrats are not about free speech, they are about anything it takes for climate change and diversity. In Florida, he will be praised. Divided States of America!

[holdem4884]

Remember when Disney's CEO made a statement opposing the "don't say gay" bill in Florida and conservatives went absolutely crazy? He did it because Disney has a lot of LGBTQ employees, fair enough. What was that guy's name again? I don't remember either. No one thinks of him when you say "Disney", he isn't THE BRAND as Musk is with Tesla. All caused by one issue brought up by a CEO who's already been replaced.

Now back to Elon, who antagonizes and trashes his customer base not once, but on a daily basis. It's simply an astonishing moronic thing to do.

No one needs to inform analysts that Tesla buyers are largely left of center. That's well known. Why do people buy EV's? It's not so they can only drive 150 miles before waiting 45-60 minutes to charge instead of 5 minutes to fill up. Who wants to shell out an additional $20,000 once the batteries need replacement? It's not for their convenience or cost savings either. A lot of people buy them thinking that in doing so they're being "environmentally conscious" .

People on the right who denigrate solar power and think climate change is a conspiracy are most definitely not Tesla's customer base.

Musk is becoming very popular with conservatives, he's on track to go from entreprenial genius to Trump's political aire at the low cost of his dignity and $200 billion.

[Anonymous]

It fascinates me how wealthy and powerful elites like Trump, Musk and Andrew Tate can so easily manipulate gullible fans into believing they're fighting the system when, in reality, those fans are just subserviently licking the boots that walk all over them to get to the top.

[Anonymous]

Musk was like a rich kid with an expensive new toy when he bought Twitter……and has proceeded to run it into the ground. I think that poll was was designed to let him step down and save face. He needs a CEO who knows what he’s doing to save Twitter.

[jshm2]

Elon just got caught in his own bullshit eventually, is all.

In theory he's lost more value this past year, than he's made from all his previous ventures combined.

Just goes to show that success is fickle as fuck. You could be great in one job, but absolutely fuck it all up in the next.

He's the epitome of "going bigger, isn't always better"

[WindAtMyBack]

Funny how not long ago liberals loved Musk when he was a liberal and made electric cars. Now suddenly he's evil.

Same thing that happened with Trump. Democrats loved him and wanted him to run for president as a Democrat. Then practically overnight he was the most evil person in the world.

[holdem4884]

He wasn't much of a liberal before just like he's not particularly conservative now.

His eccentric visionary persona appealed to a broad swath of the population with plenty of liberals included.

He's turned into a far right pandering nut job, a persona that only appeals to a sliver of the population.

Trump has no convictions and no principles. He's a narcissist who's happy to use conservatives for the adoration and attention they give him. That was never going to happen with Democrats or liberals, they never loved him. Neither turned on him overnight. Trump was "the perceived frontrunner for the Republican nomination" in 2012 before announcing he wouldn't run and then endorcing Mitt Romney.

[WindAtMyBack]

I don't know what Musk is doing or saying these day. I never liked him, which had nothing to do with politics. He's basically a full of shit salesman who takes credit for everyone else's work.

As for Trump, he was liked well enough that he was recruited by VERY high level Democrats to run as a Democrat. I'm convinced Democrats hate him so much because he dissed them and switched parties.

True, Trump loves attention. He's a marketing guy who says whatever it takes to get attention. He's also been in the middle politically. He's changed parties at least five times, but never been a party liner in any of them. Trump is Trump regardless of whatever party he happens to be a member of at the time.

[holdem4884]

What's your evidence that "he was recruited by VERY high level Democrats to run as a Democrat"?

When?

It's true was pro choice his whole life and rubbed elbows with plenty of liberals in New York but he's also always been a misogynist, anti-labor, massively pro big business while kicking working people in the face, and he never gave a rats ass about the environment.

He never would've won a single primary as a Democrat let alone the nomination.

[Sasahara]

Whats the question? Seems like you made a statement and put a question mark behind it.

How do you feel about Democrat's Online safety expert threatening justices who made a decision she didn't agree with?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/LwIYGmIbv_c

[goaded]

What is she threatening them with, exactly? Being told they're terrible people?

Oh, the humanity!

[Sasahara]

@goaded for example "It is our civic duty to accost them every time they are in public" or "these justices should never have a peaceful moment in public again" sounds like threats to me. Or perhaps you think such comments could never been seen as threatening if Republicans wrote these exact words about leftists. Totally not more a threat then if these exact comments were used, you know for equalitys sake. And obviously, the leftists who excused Biden calling MAGA people facists because Trump had said something similar in the past, and then afterwards exclusivly complained about Trump's comment, would naturally also let any Republican get away with using these comments here and exclusivly blame the Democrats online security expert, if they think these comments were bad that is.

[goaded]

Again, threats of being spoken to, maybe even shouted at. Not of harm.

No mention of "second amendment remedies" or even "punch them", the like of which have been coming not just from random Republican voters but from Republican leaders all the way up to Trump.

"... the leftists who excused Biden calling MAGA people facists because Trump had said something similar in the past..."
No, we excuse Biden because he was speaking the truth. Extreme MAGA leaders have been deliberately lying to their followers about the 2020 election, and many are willing to fight to end American democracy. That's what fascists do.

By the way, Biden said "extreme MAGA", not just "MAGA". Funny how you leave that word out, to pretend his comments were aimed at a much larger group. Kind of like the whole "the DoJ is calling parents terrorists", when you know damn well they're only looking at parents (and pretend parents) who make credible threats of harm against educators.

[Sasahara]

@goaded So you do think that threats of being spoken to are no issue when comming from Right leaning people and every leftist who would claim otherwise is wrong.

[goaded]

Can you give me an example, please?

[holdem4884]

Why the hell did you post this to my question? It's totally irrelevant. You're comment isn't remotely on topic. Moron

[kespethdude]

Seeing his cars aren't safe for the road either, I have no reason to think he is even that intelligent in the first place.

[ArrowheadSW]

The money that he spent on **Twitter** could have been put to better use elsewhere. I can't get over how much was spent for a social media platform.

[holdem4884]

He loaded it with 15 billion in debt to fund his purchase and then fired half the staff claiming he couldn't afford to pay them. He's skipped out on paying tons of bills, isn't paying severance that's guaranteed, and even fired janitors forcing employees to bring in toilet paper from home.

He's a multi billionaire and an extraordinary douche.

[jamesgoldman]

He's running into the ground for a colossal tax break, liberals don't understand tax code and it shows

[holdem4884]

I'm sorry, he lost $200 billion for a tax break? That's the dumbest thing I've ever read on here and there are a bunch of stupid conservatives who post so that's truly something.

[jamesgoldman]

You can spread corperate losses over a number of years, he'll pay zero tax for probably 5 years and likely bounce back towards the elusive trillion dollar mark within the decade

[holdem4884]

Sure, but he'd still be way head by not losing it in the first place. There's no way he's running it into the ground in order to reduce a percentage of his taxes, that simply makes no sense.

[jamesgoldman]

All his taxes, it's a glorious system if you know how to play it

[holdem4884]

You're not understanding. You never gain more by losing money, even if it allows you to offset future tax burden.

If he paid capital gains tax on the $200 billion instead of losing it, he would have paid 20% which is $20 billion in taxes and been left with $180 billion.

In your scenario he lost all $200 billion to claim as a write off against future profits, meaning he won't pay capital gains tax if he makes it back. At most that's a 20% benefit or $20 billion in taxes he won't pay.

How the hell does it make sense to give up $180 billion to avoid $20 billion in taxes? It doesn't.

[jamesgoldman]

You don't pay on corporate loss so the whole $200billion is tax-free... by the way 20% of 200billion is 40billion not 20billion

[holdem4884]

Yes, you're not taxed on what you don't have. That's the point. He no longer has the $200 billion to be taxed on, in what universe is that possibly advantageous?

[jamesgoldman]

You lose $200B, you don't get taxed on another $200B which mean he avoids the issue with the $56B he had off Tesla a few years ago so closes a potential court case down there

[holdem4884]

So he lost $200 billion to avoid a "potential" court case... right.

Keep digging that hole.

Sorry, you're initial statement just cannot be supported. He'll always be better off had he not lost it, that's the point.

[loveslongnails]

I must be missing a lot since I don't pay attention to Twitter. What's happening to it? Is it going bankrupt? How is it being driven into the ground?

[holdem4884]

If Musk is to be believed it may be facing bankruptcy but he's always full of shit.

It was an overly sensored 2nd rate media platform, it's becoming a cesspool of hatefuled nonesense peddled by imbeciles. Hellscape in the making.

[loveslongnails]

I see. Well, I never used it in the first place because I thought it was all of that from the onset. LOL

[andreasderjuengere]

He's an 'African American'

Where are the voices of justice that now shout ''race-ism''?

[jshm2]

He's not African or American, dumbass. He's a tri national holding American, Canadian and South African passports.

[andreasderjuengere]

Isn't that what I said?

[holdem4884]

Yeah, he's a decendant of one of the millions of caucasians that blacks enslaved, lynched, raped, and murdered for centuries.

Wait... he's from South Africa? THAT country that had outright racist laws into the 90's?

[bean2k21]

I think it was worth the $200 billion to cancel the cancel culture. Where do libs go to complain now? GaG -- what a joke.

[AngryCarl]

I fully expect to see Elon begging on a street corner before the year is out. Nah, just kidding.

[Anonymous]

Is his right wing? Wasn't that long ago he was being praised for his electric cars.

[joeldalton]

You’re mad he got rid of the child porn?

[holdem4884]

That's the only decent and non-hypocritical thing he's done.

He's a free speech absolutist who bans JOURNALISTS?

Elon Musk 10/28/22
"Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with widely diverse viewpoints.

No major content decisions or account reinstatements will happen before that council convenes."

LIE. No such council has been created, major knee jerk decisions are made by King Musk alone.

Elon Musk - 11/1/22
"Twitter will not allow anyone who was de-platformed for violating Twitter rules back on platform until we have a clear process for doing so, which will take at least a few more weeks"

LIE. No clear process has ever been implemented, he simply went back on his word and whimsically gave blanket amnesty.

Elon Musk 11/6/22
"My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk."

LIE. Although this account only posts already available public information, Musk changed Twitters policy and PERMANENTLY BANNED the account.

So much for free speech.

[joeldalton]

Oh, and he proved the “conspiracy theories” that the FBI violated the 1st amendment to install Biden as president. And that All of the “conspiracy theorists” were 100% right about covid. I can see why you think he’s horrible.

[holdem4884]

You are such an idiot. I see you're incapable of addressing the points I raised demonstrating his complete hypocrisy.

Not surprising as conservatives like yourself seem incapable of logical consistently and rational argumentation.

Musk has provided absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support what you claim. The "Twitter files" are a pile of innuendo, not proof.

[joeldalton]

Lmao. You were presumably just fine with Twitter’s previous hypocrisy. Innuendo. that’s rich.

[holdem4884]

1) You're wrong and have no basis to presume such. I've never been a fan of Twitter, pre or post Musk.

2) Yes, pure innuendo. If you bother to read and the Twitter files you will find they offer absolutely no proof whatsoever, that's why it's so laughable.

3) Twitter was a publicity traded company, not the private fiefdom it is now, there is no analogy. That said, before the takeover Twitter never intended or claimed to be a bastion of free speech. You completely fail to grasp who the customer base is for a company like this.

4) Free speech was Musks sole stated purpose in purchasing this turd. That's what makes his hypocrisy over it so utterly rank.

[joeldalton]

The sole purpose is to expose the corruption and collusion between twitter and the government. Which he proved. Sorry it’s making you so mad.

[holdem4884]

I wish he offered proof but compared to the purported hype it's laughable b. s.

Give us ONE clear and specific example of how Musk proved "corruption and collision". You can't because it's all exaggeration and innuendo, not proof.

[joeldalton]

Alex Berenson’s lawsuit proved without a doubt that the Biden administration coerced twitter to censor information that went against the regime’s propaganda. The FBI actively coerced social media companies to censor the laptop story when they knew it was not “russian propaganda”. Like none of this is in dispute. Are you a paid democrat shill? that’s one of the only explanations at this point. Oh, wait you’re not biased, lol.

[holdem4884]

Of course I have bias, everyone does. You can't think about approaching neutrality if your unwilling to recognize that. People who don't, like yourself, are the most blind.

Alex Berenson's lawsuit was filed way before Musk took over Twitter, Elon had nothing to do with revealing anything filed in it.

The suit demonstrated how strongly the administration's was taking the threat of misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID vaccines on social media platforms but no coercion was revealed.

The judge actually dismissed Berenson's free speech claims but ruled against Twitter for the way they changed their terms of service and then banned him (just like Musk has done with other journalists).

Not an example.

Of course the FBI is in ONGOING contact with these companies. It's not surprising, before they were, Russian propaganda was allowed to spread like wildfire in 2016.

There is NO actual evidence that the FBI coerced social media companies to censor the meaningless laptop story. ZERO. All you have is wishful thinking by conservatives desperate to find something that doesn't exist.

Where's your proof? What's the evidence? It's certainly not in the Twitter files.

I'm still waiting for ONE specific example of actual evidence proving "corruption and collision".

[joeldalton]

Lmao, russian propaganda. Boy there’s not one bit of bullshit they won’t feed you that you won’t gargle down. Oh, but wait, you’re an independent, hahahahahhhahaha

[holdem4884]

Yes, Russian propaganda. I'll cite what you never do, direct evidence. Here's proof, check out the examples of posts and paid ads in this article.

"Thirteen Russian nationals have been charged with illegally trying to disrupt the American political process..."
"defendants and their co-conspirators created hundreds of social media accounts impersonating real and fictitious Americans — and they paid for ads promoting their posts."

www.nytimes.com/.../...opaganda-election-2016.html

[joeldalton]

Meanwhile the FBI, DNC, biden campaign, and major media outlets all colluded to get Biden elected. Vs 13 russians. Lol.

[Anonymous]

Wow, somebody's jelly. 😆😆😆

[holdem4884]

Yep, I'm so jealous of a guy who claims to work 100+ hours/week, takes one vacation per year, and has 10 KIDS that he pays someone else to PARENT.

He cannot possibly be a father figure for ANY of his children given the hours he claims to work. He's the CEO of 5 damn companies, what a P. O. S.!