What's with this societal double-standard?

[Anonymous]

When men hate on or complain about women and/or gender-related issues, he's an INCEL, men are at fault, inexperienced with women, never had a girlfriend, etc. Those are among the reasons usually mentioned and talked about.

When women hate on or complain about men and/or gender-related issues, little to none of the aforementioned reasons are usually mentioned and talked about. There are other reasons (INCELS! Men are still at fault! Men cheat, only care about sex, can't trust them, etc.)

Anyone (man or woman) can be an INCEL and hate the other opposite gender for any reason mentioned above.

So why are the narratives different?

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How the female way of life? 😂

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Women (and men) need to realize this:All the biggest winners are men. The biggest losers? Your guessed it. Also men. Women are just this "in between". They can never be in as "high" a position as any man. Neither as "low" as any man. Man's world 🌎.

[Razp_Sorbet]

It's punching up vs punching down.

You can talk shit, joke, make fun of people so long as they are equal to you or above you.

Men are in general are "higher" than women.

This can change if you do it in a tasteful way though.

[ChiTown33]

Bingo! Men are not higher than women though. We're just a patriarchal society. So as long as women make 70% what a man does on avg. This will persist.
It sucks to because men have had to cede power to women so men feel like they've lost and in the long run they really haven't. A man is still a MAN. It's just social change. Social change never happens quick or is clean. It's always messy. But considering how many women still want a lot of the traditional things that go along with being a woman i. e. "guys being the initiators" in relationships. It makes me wonder if this is going to get worse before it gets better. Or if true equality is EVER really possible.

[Asker]

You must mean "higher" in terms of "more is expected of men". They are held to higher standards.

thanks for the compliment 😉

[Asker]

@ChiTown33 patriarchal in terms of status lol. Matriarchal in terms of beauty and sexuality. At least that's what it seems like. But reality is something else.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@ChiTown33 did you really just say men are not higher than women then immediately follow with we live in a patriarchy...

Do you ever just stop to think?

[ChiTown33]

@Razp_Sorbet if you cannot grasp what I'm saying i think it'd be pointless for me to try to explain it to you.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@ChiTown33 uh huh yeah sure thing buddy. Make it out to seem like I'm the stupid one only to prove my point further. 🙂

[Asker]

Both of you are DEAD WRONG. We do not live in a patriarchy. We live in a "hierarchy". And in most cases even "matriarchy" LOL.

[Asker]

"Gynocentric" society.

[Razp_Sorbet]

Oh please do explain your reasoning. This'll be good.

[Asker]

"Gynocentric" in terms of beauty and sexual attraction. "Androcentric" in terms of everything else.

Sucks for both. Nothing is fair and everyone suffers.

Equally but differently.

[Razp_Sorbet]

Lmao imagine making this anon AFTER people have @ you 🤷🏻‍♀️😂😂😂

[Asker]

Nah you probably forgot. This post was anonymous initially.

Also, what are you so mad about? Did it get you triggered that it's mostly a man's world (except beauty)?

You should be proud to be a woman and something tells me you're not.

[Asker]

We are men and we are leaders and instructors.

James Bond 🕶️

[Asker]

Know your role. You can't have everything.

[Razp_Sorbet]

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[Asker]

Wow talk about maturity. Girls mature faster than guys 🤡

[Razp_Sorbet]

That's a social stigma to further the use of "boys will be boys"

Girls are forced to mature and boys get away with stupid behaviour.

[Asker]

Are you a Goofy 🤪 personality?

[Asker]

Or maybe a "mad" personality? Ya mad sis 😡?

[Razp_Sorbet]

You're still checking this? Obsessive much.

[Asker]

Yea it's my question. Came back to check on the status and saw this.

[Jamie05rhs]

"Men in general are 'higher' than women". LOL!! Yooooo... You're actually submitting to the Patriarchal order by confirming belief in that extremely WRONG idea! WOW. No wonder you women can't get anywhere or make any progress. Your chains have been loosed and you're still wearing them! Voluntarily!!

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Jamie05rhs imagine not understanding what quotations mean.

[Jamie05rhs]

Punching up was not in quotations, though. Lol. So that means that you still subconsciously see men as above you. I'm trying to help you recognize that and encourage you to break out of that mold. (I'm a feminist!)

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Jamie05rhs clearly not if you don't understand what a patriarchy is...

[Jamie05rhs]

@Razp_Sorbet I know exactly what it is. And I also know that SUBMITTING to that Patriarchy is now OPTIONAL! But did YOU know that? Because if not, I am bringing you tidings of great joy on this very day!! 😃

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Jamie05rhs last I checked the people who run countries were majority men. You don't exactly have a choice in that.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Razp_Sorbet We ALMOST had Hillary Clinton. ALMOST! I think it was a matter of just a few votes in a few states.
And that's just the President we're talking about. There are a LOT of women in government now, at every level!
Look at the Supreme Court, for instance. We now have FOUR women! FOUR!! That's simply amazing. This has never happened before ever in history.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Jamie05rhs it might be surprising to you but the united states isn't the only country in the world... Sure there's more than there use to be, but still not enough, especially in the USA case with womens rights being taken away.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Razp_Sorbet Sorry; I thought you were American.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Razp_Sorbet But your Prime Minister was just a woman. So, I mean, don't you see what I'm saying?

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Jamie05rhs the prime minister or president isn't the only one making decisions.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Razp_Sorbet Then who is?

[Asker]

I guess it's only human nature. Women will focus on their "problems" more so than on their gifts (advantages). Same with men. We will never get along unless we focus on the other sides' issues.

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Jamie05rhs literally everyone else in parliament?

[Jamie05rhs]

@Razp_Sorbet Sorry, but what you just said is incorrect.

"In parliamentary systems fashioned after the Westminster system, the prime minister is the presiding and actual head of government and head/owner of the executive power. In such systems, the head of state or their official representative (e. g., monarch, president, governor-general) usually holds a largely ceremonial position, although often with reserve powers."

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Jamie05rhs that doesn't prove I'm incorrect? Prime ministers do not make decisions on their own.

[JSmuve]

Because, simply put, men and women are viewed differently by society. Men are valued by women for strength of character and how attractive they are to other women. A guy that complains about women shows that he possesses neither of these things and is therefore treated with disdain and insults as a low-value guy. Women aren't valued for either of these things. Instead, society seeks to protect women. So when a woman complains, its not viewed as her fault. She's just the victim of circumstance or the malicious acts of random guys.

As a guy, it's best to just not complain, and instead seek out solutions to your problems. It's a harsh truth, but if you're a guy, no one really cares if you have problems. You're only valued if you can overcome them.

[Dav1dTh0ma389]

Double standards are all over the place and hypocriticalness is rampant on the right

The same people who said "it was ok for Kyle rittenhorse-shit (as i like to call him) to do what he did, but, it wasn't ok for alec baldwin to do what he did, when i can almost guarantee you, that he was set up... is EXTREMELY wrong, for the right to do

Yet they do it, because, well, republican hypocrisy

[Subarugirl]

Incel literally means to be involuntarily celibate. It's used to describe specifically men who are unable to obtain or maintain romantic relationships with the opposite sex.

[FilmGuy93]

The original Incel was actually a woman.

[Subarugirl]

@FilmGuy93 Who?

[FilmGuy93]

I’m not sure exactly, but the first person to call themselves an Incel was a woman complaining on Reddit about how she wasn’t able to find a mate, and so a bunch of toxic men shouted her down about how it was actually her own fault, so it wasn’t “involuntary.” The internet is an interesting but awful place sometimes lol

[Subarugirl]

@FilmGuy93 interesting

[AmandaYVR]

@FilmGuy93 Correct.

The True Origin and Intent of the Term 'INCEL' ↗

[Asker]

Sexist response. So women like you contribute to double standards. And no one asked the definition of INCEL.

[Asker]

@FilmGuy93 wow yes I think I've heard of that. But it should be about equal.

[Subarugirl]

Hon, I don’t make up the definitions. And I agree it is sexist and the patriarchy perpetuates sexism. I don’t like it either

[Asker]

Yea women are innocent little angels 😇

[Subarugirl]

No they aren’t, but they aren’t the reason for everything that went wrong in your life

[Asker]

Yes all we ask for is emotional connection and empathy regarding these double standards.

[Subarugirl]

And we ask not be kidnapped raped and killed by men for not wanting to have sex with them…

[Asker]

You just described women also. But they can't take their sexual frustrations out by raping. They turn to other ways: sexual manipulation.

[Asker]

I know you're angry. But lying is not the answer. Men want far more than sex. They want emotional support and compatibility. And when they don't get that, they turn there anger out by raping.

... not that it's right though.

[Asker]

Also, most women don't think like you.

[Subarugirl]

… yeah they can. What kind of bullshit narrative is that? Women have and do rape people, just no where near the rate that men do. That’s a harmful narrative that detracts from every man who has been raped by a women…

[Asker]

Yes I never said rape was right. I don't even know why you're even bringing this up. This thread was about incels and double standards wtf?

[Asker]

Are you upset because men don't give emotional support for the crimes against women?

[Asker]

I don't know why men rape. I know I'm not one of them. Maybe they've been rejected by women or have bad experiences with women and/or don't like women in general.

Women also have bad experiences with men in terms of sexual rejection and and other bad experiences, but since they are physically weak, they find other ways besides rape (sexual/emotional manipulation, "girls rule, boys drool" attitude, lies).

So don't only put this on men. This goes both ways. You're only siding with women.

[Subarugirl]

You just said "they can't take their sexual frustrations out by raping"... you dont see any issue with that statement? You dont see how that statement completely illegalizes every man who has ever been raped by woman.. and how messed up that is?

[Asker]

I NEVER SAID "WOMEN DON'T RAPE". I said it doesn't happen as often for a reason.

[Subarugirl]

This is what you said "they can't take their sexual frustrations out by raping".

So you’re saying they can’t or they can? You’re contradicting yourself

[Asker]

"Sexual frustrations" or "hate for men" That's what I meant.

[Asker]

I'm not contradictory here. Women can rape. Women do rape. But obviously not in the same way. And obviously not as often. For a reason.

[inhua]

you can't point anything out these days that is true without being labeled a racist, sexist, misogynist, incel, homophobe, transphobe, xenophobe, bigot, hater, fanboy, prude, coon, uncle tom, aunt gemima, sellout, sambo, coconut, jiggaboo, science denier, whining, complaining, bitching etc.

here's some examples of double standards though

https://www.youtube.com/embed/XNrWuZV3jjw

[Asker]

Because people lack empathy. It's all about "me". Emotionally selfish.

[Subarugirl]

Well if you used racist language like you just did... yeah you're probably gonna get called racist.

[inhua]

@Subarugirl yeah if I was pointing those words at someone. these words are constantly used by liberals to attack black conservatives

[Subarugirl]

If you use racist language you’re probably gonna get called racist…

[IHateBeingaMan]

the world and society provides safety nets for women but not men, same thing in regards to how women normally have an easier time getting sympathy and emotional support

[Asker]

I'm just happy life is short. This is not the type of life anyone would want permanent lol.

[OddBeMe]

True, in some instances men get the short end. All the time? No. But incels have made a lot of news for a lot of bad reasons.

Any female mass shooters? Not many.

[Asker]

Yea because just because you haven't done something doesn't mean you never thought about or intended to do it lol. And mass shootings and people like Elliot Rodger are rare anyway.

[OddBeMe]

True but it’s at least measurable how dangerous incels have been. With women we can’t even factor it.

But anyways, yeah there's lots of double standards. Slurs are women but not men.

[Asker]

Yes. "Actions" are all that matter

[FilmGuy93]

Because society caters to women. Women have spent a really long time being treated poorly, so now we are living in the backlash of that.

[Anonymous]

The term Incel is not used today the way it was initially intended. It has just become a term people use to describe the male version of a feminist.

[Asker]

Very sad but true. Very, very sad.

[Anonymous]

Because the world is not equal. At the moment there's a lot of whining going on and a lack of personal reflection. Blaming just men for the world's woes is bs.

[Anonymous]

Luckily I've never had any of the incel crap in the real world. But both genders are the same in that regard.

[cheetocandle]

Don't be a voluntary incel. Hows that.

[Asker]

What are you so mad about? That's the same as being an incel wtf?

[Asker]

And that answer is irrelevant

[cheetocandle]

Just do better. Stop hiding behind some stupid label.

[Asker]

So you're basically saying all incels are men lol.

[cheetocandle]

Yes they are any woman can get laid baring the ones that might be crippled or super super disfigured.

[Asker]

Keep telling yourself that. No wonder why women are more miserable than men. Their expectations don't meet reality.

[cheetocandle]

Women are miserable but not more miserable then little incels who can't get laid. facts.

[Asker]

Ok your attitude is beginning to prove my point even further.

[Asker]

You're only using a women's narrative to your advantage. But a narrative is just that: a "narrative". Reality is something else ya know?

[cheetocandle]

Never met an INCEL in real life you know why? Because they live on forums bitching about women because one girl in school said no to them. This stupid movement has paralyzed men into improving themselves. It's convinced most men who are really not INCELS to be an INCEL because it's easy to HATE.

[Asker]

And yet, you're the one that's upset? Lol

[Asker]

Sounds INCELish to me. Get my point?

Society is the ultimate problem.

Incels don't approach women.

Women like you get mad.

Women become INCELS.

Life is a bunch of dominos 🎲

[cheetocandle]

Society is not the problem it's men who fall pray to this nonsense.

[Asker]

As do women

[Guy13]

Struggle for control.