Could the same society startrek has work in current times?

[redskulldangerzone64]

https://youtu.be/fN27bbabrN8

[Malgaran]

It would not work right now, but it is definitely a future worth aiming towards. People are not evolved enough yet to live in a society like Star trek for countless obvious reasons.

Personally though, I don't think humanity will ever survive unless it actually goes down the road to a more empathic society, I think that's the only hope humanity have. If humanity don't go down that road we are just gonna go back to the stone age again or simply eradicate ourselves entirely, either through our own stupidity or say we keep holding ourselves back that we couldn't do anything if the universe decided to kill us. Like giant meteor, sun dying or any other way we might get destroyed.

[monorprise]

How do people "evolve" toward spending their finite time and resources on things that don't benefit them individuality?

As for empathic society, are not the emotions you think people should share the most primitive of motivations designed for a animal world that largely ceased to exist 10+ thousand years ago?

That is basically the same question how do you evolve to follow non-relevant outdated motivates and needs that don't really benefit you anymore? That is like taking orders from your cat. Sure your primitive brain might be programed to enjoy it but you won't get much done in the modern world.

Our modern technology requires logical brains that able to choose to behave in such ways which might use advantageously and invent it.
Your feeling evolved over millions of years to guide you thou an catalyses hunter-gather lifeless in addressing said simple needs.

[Malgaran]

@monorprise Not sure what you mean, it does benefit them individually, benefits everyone.

It's not really what I mean, To make it all simple, if humanity was more empathic, we would not hurt each other in all the ways we do. Pretty much all wars, all murders etc, everything boils down to someone lacking empathy. Often sociopaths, narcissist etc are key instigators of so much suffering. Basically, if we were logical, all sociopaths, narcissist etc should not even be allowed to live, they have no real meaning beside making other people suffer. It's like an actual defect of the human psyche. Which yes, we are not ready for a logical society either, humanity value ego over logic. Everytime someone logic is challenged, do most people actually learn?, nope, straight to denial, preservation of ego.

As someone who have always been very logical, pure logic is also dangerous. Like logically again, humanity is evil by default, if we were to be logical, like really. We should spare the universe of the blight that is humanity. We are not good, but if we actually evolved towards a more empathic side then we might be. Pure logic we wouldn't be good either. Even though yes, is no doubt, overall logic can be better than emotions.

[monorprise]

@Malgaran I can't say i agree, how is it logical for humans not do do what they wish with a universe that will otherwise burn itself-out achieving non thing?

Nor do I think wars are simply because men wish to harm other men, in fact i think most all wars are fraught among men over their conflicting desires for resources and control thereof.

To risk everything simply to harm anther is insanity that you could hardly attribute to the population regularly required to fight said wars.

[Malgaran]

@monorprise If every Human did what they "wish", do they follow logic or emotions? Everything we do though is pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things, life in general is pretty pointless.

Yes, but could you harm someone if you were truly empathic. Like a good example, if Putin really had Empathy, Ukraine thing would never happen, if Hitler was, never any world war 2. Regardless of reasoning, empathy would prevent people from pointlessly harming each other. World would basically be a lot more peaceful. I'm not saying either that someone empathic can't harm someone, but whenever they do, or if they do, it often boils down again to not having been shown empathy.

Not as a reason to harm, but prevent harm. Like an example. If someone wanted more resources and control, an empathic mind, going to war would be stupid cause you would kill a lot of people for no good reason, cause a lot of pointless suffering. You would instead try and build alliances, diplomatic routes, innovate. Do something that would benefit your own society to increase standing, resources and thus control. Empathy changes how you approach everything.

[Dargil]

Nope. Too many corrupt opportunists. We need precious metal-backed currency more than ever. SPECTRE in the form of the WEF and the Davos crowd want your liberty.

[Cassie88]

I've actually seen 'Star Trek' (TOS & TNG), and I don't like the way their society works at all. Everyone seems so anodyne, so bland and boring (ex. they don't have alcohol anymore, they listen to classical music and read Shakespeare, and they're virtually sexless).

[monorprise]

Even if you had replicator tecnoligy and free energy to use it, which star trek clearly does not. People are not self-motivated to act without some kind of benefit. They would mostly all spend their time in holidecks until that collapsed and were forced to actually trade for finite resources and time again.

[Jackblue]

No, not until we have protein resequencers and stuff.

[Anonymous]

I like how the only way socialism works is by introducing barter; which is capitalistic.

[Guy13]

No that’s fantasy. Propaganda from rich.