It's been 1 year since the unwarranted Russian invasion of Ukraine. How much longer do you think it'll last?

[SecretsofKB]

How many more senseless deaths will there be?

[JamesDiaz11]

Sidestepping all the stupid rhetoric (i. e. "how many more senseless deaths will there be?") a conflict can only last so long.

I imagine that Russia is going to complete their mobilization (appx. 500,000 additional troops) and will use these as leverage to negotiate a peace with honor. I don't believe they'll want to field this many troops as it would be extremely costly, and force them into the position of NEEDING to outright win the conflict (which seems unlikely at present).

Russia does not currently have the forces fielded to decisively take Ukraine, and even if they field another half million (knowing these will be of lower quality than those currently fielded) their casualty rate will skyrocket, with no guarantee they'll be able to elicit an unconditional surrender. The costs of launching such a force would potentially cripple the Russian economy, and undo years of economic progress following the collapse of the USSR.

Putin and the world can see clearly now that the Russian military is not that good, despite being talked up for decades. Their tactics are also trash (one can see they tried to be fancy with combined arms attacks, and multi-front maneuver warfare that the US utilized in Iraq, but failed miserably). Their ego is badly bruised; so, now they need to end the conflict with something that looks like they came out ahead, but had the wisdom/ grace to end it.

Since the West isn't losing anything, and has unlimited funds/ arms to throw into the conflict there's little incentive we have to end the conflict, and Ukraine isn't willing to relinquish control of their government to accommodate Russian demands; so, really the most likely scenario is that Russia will annex a couple areas, enforce a buffer zone within Ukraine that they can't stage troops in, and will walk away with a modicum of success (gaining VERY little compared to their ambitions, and the tens of thousands of men they lost).

They're looking for peace with honor, and they keep trying Russian versions of US tactics, i. e. right now they're trying to mirror our "surge" in Iraq, but they don't have the money or military potency to do so.

[goaded]

I didn't like the four "like" options at first, but now I miss "helpful"! Very well written, thanks.

[Red_Arrow]

I will agree with most, but not the peace with honor. There is no honor in wiping out schools, hospitals, and peaceful communities with missiles intended to sink aircraft carriers! There is no honor in the Russian military! The only honor that Russian soldiers could manage now would be to march into Ukraine and volunteer to fight with them instead of against them.

[goaded]

@Red_Arrow That's why I wanted helpful, rather than like! There have been a lot of soldiers surrendering, at least, but would you trust them to fight alongside you?

[JamesDiaz11]

@Red_Arrow I'm using honor as a synonym of respect/ fear on the world stage- not acting ethically.

[RolandCuthbert]

Right now. there are too many unknowns. Putin is doing a lot of saber rattling. But I think his plan is a waiting game now. He can't overwhelm Ukraine. But he seems to think he can play the long game. If maga takes over next election, he knows the U. S. will pull its support for Ukraine and try to sink NATO. If that happens, he should be able to do what he wants. It just depends on how many Russian soldiers he is willing to send to the morgue. But he may be able to mitigate that if he uses nukes on Ukrainian citizens.

There are just too many variables.

1. Will trump or his cult win back the presidency/congress.

2. If they do, will Europe be able to hold together with Russia trying to undermine NATO.

3, Can Ukraine fight Russia to a standstill by itself?

The problem with dictatorships is that when they fail, they fail all at once. You can't really see it coming. So people in Putin's inner circle could be plotting his downfall right now, but we would never know. The only thing is, no matter what happens, if he dies, gets overthrown, etc. . somehow it will be Biden's fault.

So I don't know if it is a good thing or bad.

[goaded]

I didn't like the four "like" options at first, but now I miss "helpful"! Very well written, thanks.

[goaded]

Sorry, replied to the wrong opinion, yours is spot on.

[Agape93]

I wager another year, might end just after Christmas at latest. Putin will keep going until he's forced to stop. Thousands more civilians will die. As a Wagner official said, Ukraine is a meat grinder.

Also, there's a good chance russia will have border skirmishes against Poland soon, and a invasion of Moldova.

[AngryCarl2]

I think you're about right regarding Ukraine. Putin won't mess with Poland though, because it's a NATO member.

[Agape93]

I think he will, maybe not an attack, but maybe a false flag or border skirmishes.

[Gummy_Cluster]

The experts said from the very beginning, this could last for a decade or more. Afghanistan was 20 years long. And for what? Nothing has changed. When the clown withdrew the troops from Afghanistan, I was wondering where the next war would be. Russia.

[exitseven]

If Trump get s re-elected he will most likely cut off funding to this boondoggle. In his speech in Ohio last Wednesday hen mentioned that the US has spent over 160 billion dollars on this and the whole rest of NATO has contributed less than ten billion. I got the feeling he takes a pretty dim view of this.

[Gummy_Cluster]

@exitseven

I've never understood why the Dems prefer a brain-dead president, over Trump. We wouldn't be in this mess if Trump was the president. And don't believe a word you read from super fat ass and I love fingernails. There's no way in fuck they are Americans. I told my brother yesterday that we should never have lifted a finger to help the corrupt country of Ukraine. But the idiots from outside of the US, posting on this site, will say: "But they will take Poland, next." Sucks to be Poland. Canada hates us, but asked us to shoot down that flying object over Canada. Couldn't the black-face dork manage to shoot down the object without outside help? Poland offered to send Ukraine fighter jets, but they wanted America to pay for the ones that got shot down. Biden refused, because he wants and needs this war. But why didn't Poland just send them? Hey, if they're next in line, shouldn't they be ponying up some money and jets?
If it were up to me, we would bring all of our zillions of troops from around the world, home. And use that money to create the most mighty fighting force on Earth. The only reason Israel hasn't turned Iran into molten glass, is because the US won't let them. Let them. South Korea could kick the living shit out of little rocket man in one day. Let them.
My brother is an engineer and he works with a guy whose son is high up in the marines. He told his dad that America is over. He knows things that he can't even tell his dad, about.
No one actually hates Trump, but he loves America, so they have to destroy him.

[CALIGVLA]

I think it will last until the Russian Armed Forces takes the entire territory east of the Dnieper river and liquidate the remnants of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the region. That seems to be the Russian government, and they do it in a gradual, slow pace since they invaded Ukraine with a relatively small combined force.

Russia will win this war and the West is gonna be demoralized for the next millennium. There's no way for us to effectively stop them without starting a nuclear war, in which there will be no winners and the entire Northern Hemisphere will be obliterated.

If the West keeps pumping Kyiv with weapons, it's obvious at this point that China will join the war on the Russian side since they were forced by our incompetent leadership in the US to become best friends. Our industrial complex simply can't compete with the China's one.

Two many factors are there, it's impossible to foresee when exactly the war will end, but I told you all how it will end.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Russia really wants its landbridge. Would probably have it by now, but the U. S. and others are providing plenty of monetary opposition. Hopefully, they calm their titts (both sides) and come to a diplomatic end of it. Ukraine... do a deep dive on Zelenskyy... dude was doing a stand-up of ripping Jews and Russians off before any of this. So a dive on Russia/Putin... They want to get that fuel over to the other side and have been wanting that. Tried to do it through Syria, look how that turned out. Zelenskyy was being the middle man and jacking up the price... so that wasn't working... oh and the U. S... most likely blew up that other pipeline. They're (Russia) are trying to come up and the U. S. cock blocks at every chance they get. I digress.

Hope they come to some diplomatic solution.

[lightbulb27]

I agree with China, ... negotiate an end. I see no action publicly communicated from the West. I see attempts from the other side... but Ukranians are positioning there is no flex on their side. Can't blame them, but yea... it's a mess... and the ground isn't solid enough yet.

So I think it goes on long time, 3-5 years, unless Putin finds a way to back away gracefully, for another day. I don't think he does that, I think he keeps pounding.

So it goes on... all they can do is wear Russia out, but that is not easy to do. Will be some time til the tanks show up, months.

# of deaths...1 million, but it potentially goes much hotter, then I'd say around 300 million. That's just military direct deaths. Deaths associated by starvation, displaced humans creating other conflicts, could be higher, not to mention disease outbreaks from that. Maybe this goes up to 500 million dead or suffering before it's stabilized.

hope for better...

[Adam1978]

It's will last until Russia collapse which mean another 2-3 years, doesn't matter where Ukraine push the border during this time. A country can hold together a lot longer than you expect especially if you send all people who can riot to the slaughter. One thing is for sure Russia will never recover from this loss. Losing hundreds of thousands of young men when you have a population growth below 2. Women is going to have to leave the country to start a family, if and when the conflict ends and western countries allow Russian in again, they will be coming for jobs and husbands. Russia will be stuck with an old aged population and in a generation, it will be extremely weak.

[VanillaSalt]

Unwarranted? This is some nice propaganda you got here. Make yourself aware of what Ukraine was doing to Russian citizens in their territory before you speak.


This whole issue is based off how Ukraine treated Russians before the war. Then when Putin requested UN aid to fix it we ignored him. Then we push Ukraine into joining NATO just to irritate Russia and we’re sitting back pretend we have nothing to do with this war despite the fact we’re funneling tons of money and weapons to Ukraine.


Hell even shooting citizens is justified as far as I’m concerned. Zelenskyy put guns in the citizens hands to shoot Russians. You expect them not to shoot back? No Ukraine is in the wrong and the rest of the world is part of this. Personally Ide just have nuked Ukraine and called it a day. I don’t need this land but you won’t have it either.

[MysticDevice]

When either the Russian army and citizens decide they've had enough and shoot Putin against a wall, or when the Ukrainians kick the Ruskies out and call for a cease-fire and finally join NATO.

Either way, mad props to Ukraine for giving as good as they're getting.

I hope it doesn't go on much longer.

[Pterodon]

It’s Biden’s fault. This is the second time Putin invaded with a pussy democrat in office. He wouldn’t have done it with Trump in office. In addition biden refuses to give Ukraine what they need to win but only gives them enough to keep the killing going. He’s all about death and human suffering. Proof is the open border where women and children are raped and used as sex slaves for border access, the cartels making huge money through human trafficking, the deaths by attempted border crossings either by the cartels, harsh desert conditions or river drownings. Further proof he’s a culture of death is the 500 fentanyl deaths a day that he enables with his open border and his embracing late term abortion. The democrats are about death

[MysticDevice]

As much as I despise Biden its literally not his fault. Come on dude.

[Pterodon]

@MysticDevice yeah it is. Remember when he gave permission for a “small” incursion?

[Pterodon]

https://youtu.be/wiMDmtcQEEM

[Pterodon]

Excuse me. Minor incursion

[MysticDevice]

Mkay. Whatever you say dude.

[Pterodon]

@MysticDevice yep. Putin saw weakness after that statement. Your fuckup loves death

[CALIGVLA]

The US and Europe could give Ukraine half of its arsenal and you know what, Pterodon?

Ukraine would still lose.

[Pterodon]

@CALIGVLA I don’t think so

[CALIGVLA]

Then it's a matter of faith, not truth.

[Pterodon]

@CALIGVLA Russia hasn’t defeated them yet

[Gummy_Cluster]

What kind of complete moron would go in front of the world and admit that if it's a "minor incursion" it will be OK? Trump refused to let Putin finish the Nord Stream pipeline, because he knew this would happen. What did Joey the clown do on his first day in office? Shut down the Keystone, and gave Vlad the green light to finish his pipeline. Now we're slowly going to go to war with Russia, and Biden will reinstate the draft. This will be the first time the US locked horns with a country with 6,000 nukes. Why would Biden do this? Because he's not the president of the US. Our president lives in Beijing, and he's smiling.

[CALIGVLA]

@Gummy_Cluster It's appalling how you conservatives think China is behind our own mess. You really should study what neoconservatism is about, what is neoliberalism and who is George Soros.

We don't need China to ruin our own society.

[Gummy_Cluster]

@CALIGVLA

You liberals should learn that Biden isn't the president of the USA. He was installed by the shadow government, but you're too blind to see that. Do you seriously think that a guy who doesn't know what day it is, is running the country? My brother told me yesterday that when Joey was in Ukraine, he forgot what the name was of the leader of Russia. We're about to go to war with Russia, and the puppet doesn't know Putin's name.
You don't think I know who Soros is? Soros is probably paying you to be on this site. Just like he pays Antifa and BLM.

[CALIGVLA]

@Gummy_Cluster I'm not a liberal. I know that Biden is a puppet, I know that there's a group behind him and this group is probably led by George Soros. You don't know shit what you're talking about.

[Gummy_Cluster]

@CALIGVLA
I replied to the OP who is my friend. Why are your boring the fuck out of me? Do you seriously think I care what you think? Block me right now. I feel sorry for you lonely idiots that come here to argue, because no one else will talk to you. I don't want to talk to you. Take a hint, and go bore someone else.

[CALIGVLA]

@Gummy_Cluster Soros refers China's Xi Jinping "the greatest threat that open societies face today."

If anything, a good lot of you conservatives are on his side. Not me.

I'm blocked by half of the liberal scum on this app, I don't care if conservative idiots follow their example.

[Gummy_Cluster]

@CALIGVLA
I gave you fair warning to leave me alone, but you don't have the brains God gave a goose.
Now you're blocked.

[CALIGVLA]

@Gummy_Cluster Bye, snowflake.

[CALIGVLA]

@Gummy_Cluster The only difference between liberals and you conservatives is that liberals offer themselves to suck George Soros' c*ck l, whereas conservatives do it complaining (but do it).

[Agagagagaga]

@MysticDevice Yeah it’s kind of completely Biden’s fault.

[Agagagagaga]

@CALIGVLA Strange that Conservatives can somehow be both anti-Semitic and Jew lovers at the same time... but something tells me you haven’t really thought this through.

Besides, Soros overwhelmingly funds far-Leff and Left of center publications, politicians, think tanks, and policies—not to mention DAs and Judges.

Oddly they all have one thing in common—they are Democrats.

Now who is really sucking on the Semitic sausage?

[CALIGVLA]

@Agagagagaga I never said Soros doesn't own the Left. It was precisely what I said. I said that many Conservatives work for his interests without even realizing it, even worse, without getting paid for that.

The energy Conservatives spend on hating China would be much more beneficial if they put it on working against the Soros' "Open Society" dystopia.

[CALIGVLA]

@Agagagagaga By the way, it's good that you talked about Jews. I don't understand what benefit Conservatives get from their "unwavering support" for Israel. Can you tell me?

[Pterodon]

@CALIGVLA I can. Stability in the Middle East since Israel is the strongest Middle East country and a nuclear power. It also gives us a strategic location

[CALIGVLA]

Are you fucking kidding me? Israel is the biggest factor of instability in the region. Israel is an apartheid state, it has an extremely aggressive and anti-Arab foreign policy, it sucks billions of our tax payer money every year (while you guys boast about being "fiscally conservative"), it supports terrorists in the region (like ISIS, whose WIA received medical treatment in Israel).

Besides that, their Zionist NGOs are the biggest sponsors of woke shit and censorship in the US, like the ADL for example.

You Conservatives are not serious people.

[Pterodon]

@CALIGVLA no I’m not kidding. It’s Biden’s illegal aliens and open borders that suck billions of dollars at the expense of American citizens but you say nothing

[CALIGVLA]

I don't support Dems. I don't support illegal immigration, I think even legal immigration should be reduced. This country is too crowded with social climbers.

And you're a cuck for Israel.

[Pterodon]

@CALIGVLA have fun with that Hitler

[CALIGVLA]

Stop being politically correct, you loser. You talk like a liberal.

[Pterodon]

@CALIGVLA nope I vote straight party Republican every election, I’m a vet and I openly carry my 1911 everyday everywhere plus I sometimes carry my M1A as well. I live in the reddest most gun friendly state there is

[CALIGVLA]

Yet you worship an "oppressed minority."

Jews are to you what blacks are to the Democratic Party. Except for the fact that the today's Democratic Party was made by Jews.

How performative your conservatism is. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Pterodon]

@CALIGVLA no I’m just a Christian and not anti semetic like you and Hitler

[CALIGVLA]

You're not a Christian, you're a cuck. You'd offer your wife and daughter for the IDF to f*ck in front of you. With such mindset, it's clear why you're okay with our government sending billions of our money to Israel.

[Pterodon]

@CALIGVLA fuck you. Biden sends millions to Iran, and countries that openly hate us including China and you say nothing

[Pterodon]

You’re now blocked

[Danny_dan92]

From what I understand by applying my military background/knowledge.




The only reason why Ukraine has lasted this long is because NATO has been providing them munitions, weapons, vehicles, etc.




The dark side about this, is that NATO countries supplying Ukraine these items are essentially observing the conflict and by extension are conducting R&D. Given we hav only really been involved in asymmetric warfare conflicts for the past 60+ years. The last time we saw conventional warfare was in WWII.




So yes, we are basically putting human life before our own security, this is why I refuse to “stand by Ukraine” because the elected officials saying this are all in favor to use Ukrainian people as test dummies for the military industrial complex to test and improve current technologies.




To answer your question, I hope it ends soon. And that they find peace. The bloodshed needs to stop.

[Grond21]

I think by the end of the summer we will know who's going to win. Historically Russians have never left a war with less than half a million dead and they only have about 100,000 right now. So they are willing to have a lot more of their own citizens die. They just did a second mobilization bringing up 2 million more men and they're going to throw them all in there.
What makes it even worse is they changed their strategy. They are no longer trying to occupy Ukraine, they are now trying to annihilate it. Slow-moving artillery bombardments, destroying any standing structure whatsoever. Every building, processing plant, factory, house, doesn't matter. That allows them to bifurcate the Ukrainians into two groups. One will be refugees, and the Russians won't have to worry about them anymore. The other group, the ones who stay, will be automatically assumed to be fighters by the Russians and shot on sight.

At this point, we are looking at several million dead before this is over

[Anonymous]

It will last until one side has a decisive victory, or a stalemate persists for long enough that The Frontline becomes a border in practice, whether official or not.

This method of warfare is known as Attrition, where both sides try to whittle down the other side and consume their resources. Attrition can last for years, since it doesn't involve large scale combined arms engagements (big battles with large casualties); instead, it involves sending troops little by little into what is coined the "Meat Grinder".

[Blondeguy666]

Until the bad actors all the way around get bored of using humans to play chess with because they can't get any more power out of it or the nukes start flying from every corner of the globe. If it weren't for plants, animals, and children that haven't been rendered mentally retarded by the internet yet, I'd pray for the cleansing hellfire. Slava cykas! Send me a few and a some vodka, I'll do more for them than any of you are.

[monorprise]

The history of Russia, and the nature of Putin's goverment strongly imply Putin will continue the conflict until he get what he wants.

Russia has more than enough people and weapons to flatten the Ukraine and slowly bit by bit, consistent with Russian military doctrine they are doing precisely that.

The Ukraine will run out of people long before Russia does.

[TheorionMage]

Until Ukraine visits upon MOSCOW's Politburo publicly, the carnage Putin has visited upon Ukraine.
The Russian public needs WITNESS... NO ONE is above dying; ... including Putin!
Novachuk, Polonium, Serin and Ricen end narssist bullies as surely as lead~
A bully bleeds EVER BIT as freely as their victims!
Tea time!

[Chazmatazz269]

Hahahaha!!!
“Unwarranted” indicates you are indoctrinated by western media.
Just because US politicians don’t understand or agree with Putin’s choices doesn’t mean they are entirely “unwarranted”. The US spends billions of dollars annually on “unwarranted” wars. Where are your posts challenging those?

[msc545]

Good answer!!

[AviatorTom]

It will last as long as Putin is in power. No one knows how long that is, considering his age, his health, and the opinions of the Russian people.

[Guardian45]

More importantly how long will it take for Russians to realize Emperor Putin wears NO clothes & the military to stage a coup.

[jshm2]

It was warranted, though. That's why it's gone on, and not stopped in "six days" like the USA was blustering about.

Nothing the USA gets involved in ever ends well for that country. From Iraq, to Afghanistan, Columbia to Vietnam. When the USA gets involved, you know it's the USA that fucked things up.

[Chad345]

I know have no idea. But if Putin is allowed to get away with this it will prove that crime DOES pay. And he'll keep going and it will start all over again in other countries. And China will start up and we'll have trouble there. The Russians have to be kicked out of Ukraine.

[integrale77]

I'd say untill his people stop believing the propaganda he is feeding them. Sadly so far they are believing this is still a 7 day operation a year on from it starting !

[Wade12345]

Russia sucks at logistics and is even worse at combined arms/unit compositions. They are going to lose in Ukraine no matter how many troops they mobilize, it will just be a matter of time.

[exitseven]

It will last until the US stops paying for it. Probably after Biden gets voted out of office or maybe members of the House can put a hold on any additional funds

[Guffrus]

This is exactly what America wants, this is their war and as there is no political understanding or will with the American people the mafia running its government will continue to do whatever the hell they want.

[Red_Arrow]

Russia invaded Ukraine and continues the mindless slaughter of innocents. And the US has not paid Russia one cent to do that. Perhaps you want Trump in charge to help his buddy Putin bomb the Ukraine people out of existence and then move on to Poland as Putin is talking about.