Why does America and Biden want WW3 so bad?

[ElizaPam]

Ukraine would've already lost without our help. That means it's not Russia vs Ukraine. It's Russia vs America. It's WW3. We could simply stop supporting Ukraine. We could force a negotiation. If Trump was in office he would've sat Putin and Zelenski down and said "Here's how it's going to be" but Biden wants to keep giving Ukraine unconditional aid. And now the CIA says China is getting involved. All for a country no American really cares about.

[RolandCuthbert]

No Ukraine would not have lost without our help. WTF?

The Pentagon predicted that Ukraine would lose the war in a week. They were wrong. And long before we supplied Ukraine with any material support, the UK, Germany, Turkey, etc. were giving lethal aid. And Ukraine kicked Russia's ass. Russia was miles outside of Kiev. They were in Kharkiv. They were threatening Odessa. They had taken Kherson.

Now look at the map. They only have their old foothold in Donbas. Which appears to be what Putin is going to settle for, if he can. In the Spring, we expect for Ukrainians to launch a counteroffensive to re-take Donbas and then to go on and threaten Crimea.

Right now this is dependent upon how many bodies Putin can throw at the war. And for how long Russia mothers, daughters, and sisters are going to let him.

I don't know why you are spinning that crap about Trump negotiating anything. The dude can't even negotiate his way out of a bathroom. Ukraine will never submit to Russia. Russia invaded Ukraine and have annexed parts of their country. And even without trump supporters, the rest of the world is going to do whatever is needed to support them.

Why don't you guys form you own country and create the Russia, Trumpland, China, Syrian alliance.

Then the rest of the free world will be able to clearly see who is the enemy.

[Leopard23]

Without the US there would be no javelin anti tank missiles and no stinger missles to defeat Russian tanks and aircraft. Then you've got to consider the training US forces have given and the intelligence. Germany was very reluctant to give any weapons at the start due to the poor state of their military.
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[RolandCuthbert]

@Leopard23 Yep. But they will still be using British anti-tank missiles. But the funny thing is, Britain early on was giving the Ukrainians the Javelins we had given them. Another development is. . . we had no idea how bad Russian tanks are designed. I am not sure what you are saying with Germany. I was in Dusseldorf last year. Germany was already supplying howitzers, anti-aircraft missiles, etc. There was a debate about supplying tank, which they are doing now. So why did you post me again?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1La7hioFf8M

[Leopard23]

Biden on live TV stated that the US had given Ukraine 10 javelins for every 1 Russian tanks. Put it this way the entire British military is roughly the same size as the United States Marine corps that includes aircraft and armor so how much do you think they have to give away.
The Germans were very reluctant to send weapons, they offered thousands of kevlar helmets that never arrived but did turn over a lot of German warsaw pact era soviet weaponry that they still had. The German military is in a poor state of disrepair and readiness. Germans are now supplying Leopards but the big thing was allowing other countries to supply their Leopards as most Leopards are outside if Germany, Holland has more Leopards than Germany for instance.
Germany has a fairly big arms industry but their military has few arms and few supplies. The US military on the other hand has vast stockpiles of weapons, ammunition and equipment stockpiled going right back to ww2 and is currently replacing nearly all of this with new stuff. The US army has 4000 M1 Abrahams mothballed, nobody else can say that.
Don't get me wrong the other countries have given plenty but $40 billion in a year for Ukraine vs $1-3 billion from the UK and Germany individually is a big difference.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Leopard23 That's fine whatever Biden said. I am still not understanding what you are attempting to say about Europe supporting Ukraine. You are painting a picture that Ukraine would collapse without U. S. support. That is simply not true.

At best without our support, Russia could continue to hang on to Kharkiv and/or Kherson. But the assault on Kiev had already been decimated long before we started sending material support.

The UK was first in line sending anti-tank weaponry to Ukraine. And it was actually the javelins they sent that had most of the early success against the Russian offensive.

You are comparing sizes of militaries now. What point are you even trying to make? The Russian military is twice the Ukrainian army's size. Yet they have performed pitifully. The issue is effectiveness. And Ukraine having the advantage by knowing the terrain and being on the defensive created a very effective strategy for repelling the Russians. You are telling me what your opinion is, when I talk with Ukrainians in Ukraine almost every single day. And if you wish, you can speak with them too.

There is no way that Russia would ever submit Ukraine. Even if Putin took Kiev, he would face an insurrection that would kill dozens of Russian soldiers daily.

The rest of your post is just stating things you think are true or whatever.

Again, what is the point you are trying to make?

[Leopard23]

The Ukraine war effort would largely collapse. Sure European nations have sent supplies but the vast majority had come from the US, that's just a stone cold fact. I mean the difference in quantity is huge. The UK has sent 6500 anti tank weapons, The US 8,500 Javelin anti-armor systems &54,000 other anti-armor systems and munitions. The UK is depleting their stocks doing that whereas the US is not. There's no doubt about it the sheer weight of military materials are coming from the US, we simply have vast stockpiles of military equipment while European countries do not. 70,000 helmets and body armor from the US that's a small army with more to come.
Ukrainian strategy for repelling Russia was thought up in 2014 when the US andvother NATO countries started arming and training the Ukrainian army. US special forces (green berets) have been doing that for nearly 10 years its their bread and butter, even Ukrainian partisan missions are running like how green berets had planned to do during the cold war if Europe was invaded.
Russia could definitely fotlrce Ukraine to submit if the Ukrainians had no arms to fight with, unlike NATO countries killing a few Russian soldiers would result in 10-20 civilians being rounded up and killed maybe even whole towns or cities.

[RolandCuthbert]

@Leopard23 Again, you don't know any Ukrainians. Find a Ukrainian who believes their "war" effort would largely collapse. I have walked the streets of Kiev. And I talk with them almost every day. They are not going to give up their culture. They would sooner go to the grave.

That is just a stone cold fact.

And Europe is going to stand by them until the end. Because Europe knows the cost of appeasing dictators. They tried it in WWII. And it didn't work. They know Putin must be stopped here and now. So even if maga returns to power and pulls our support for Ukraine and NATO, Europe will fight on until the end.

And the funny thing is, you seem to be comparing the U. S. military to Russia's when we have them supremely outclassed. Europe alone can put Ukraine on an equal footing with Russia. Russia's only advantage is nuclear weapons. Which is why Putin keeps threatening to use them. But then he could face a response from Europe. That may be why he is biding his time until the next election. If the U. S. pulls support, maybe Europe would think twice about a nuclear counter strike. But the UK doesn't sound like it will be backing down.

So you are talking about people you know nothing about. I get that their culture means nothing to you. But in their eyes, all they have is their culture and their history.

[Leopard23]

Uh huh tell me how is it Ukraine only got its independence on 1990 rather than post ww1 like Finland?
I've not walked the streets of Kiev but a few years ago I was involved with training Ukrainian soldiers in Germany.
I'm not comparing the US military to Russia, what I am comparing is the diffrence in the commitment of military and financial aid to Ukraine between the US and Europe the largest economic zone the planet.
As for appeasing dictators Europe ignored the genocide in Kosovo and Bosnia until the US stepped in.
Putin is threatening to use nukes because Russia is a military strongman that's been bullying and intimidating its neighbours for years but has been found to be weak and as the regional power in Eastern Europe was unable to project that power on a weaker nation. When you are military strongman weakness invites attack and putin remembers what happened to gaddafi in the end. How will the Russians respond to putin starting a war and losing it?

[RolandCuthbert]

@Leopard23 What does that have to do with anything? Ukraine resisted Russia resulting in the genocide of millions. That's the price Ukrainians are willing to pay.

So call up your Ukrainian buddies and find out would they rather go to the grave. . . or would they rather submit to Russia?

Prove me wrong. I mean at this point this has become ridiculous. You are preaching to me about what Ukrainian folks will or will not do. . . but you wouldn't dare say any of this nonsense to a Ukrainian.

Kosovo/Bosnia are two totally different situations. Russian incursions into Ukraine and Georgia are well documented. And Europe was silent then also. But it has become evident that Putin will never be satisfied until he rebuilds the Soviet Union and the old Warsaw Pact.

I would think if Putin loses this war, he will lose his seat. And Russia doesn't have a great history with respect to political leaders.

But they had a choice to build a democratic state. . . or choose authoritarianism.

That's their business.

[Leopard23]

Ukraine resisted Russia with only some support from Europe during and after the ww1/Russian civil war period and were forced to submit. Those Ukrainian buddies are likely in combat or dead, I heard their unit got hit pretty hard during the opening days of the Russian invasion, some captured, but that's what happens when the ammunition runs out.
I'm not preaching anything except the extent of US support in Ukraine and how badly the Ukrainians are dependent on it for the survival of the Ukrainian nation.
Kosovo and Bosnia was no different and Europe had the power to intercede yet it fell to the US to stop the genocide. The US could do little for Georgia, its too far away and it happened too quickly and we did mediate a peaceful solution.
Europe stood by and did nothing in ww2 when the Russians invaded Poland, Finland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
If Putin can't win Russia may not just lose influence with its neighbours but other old Russian states may seek independence

[Red_Arrow]

Ukraine has been helped by many countries, not just the US. They were invaded by Russia, which is now threatening other countries, also. Our main reason for helping Ukraine is because they are a peaceful country which only wanted to be left alone. Russia has been destroying its hospitals, schools, and power and water systems using missiles designed to destroy aircraft carriers. Already, Putin is threatening to invade Poland, a member of NATO which we have treaties to protect.

Trump has been a buddy of Putin for a long time and if he was in office he would help Putin attack other countries.

Americans who have hearts care about Ukraine. What is your problem?

[Anonymous]

If Trump was in office, Ukraine would already be behind the iron curtain. Trump is the stooge who tried to downplay Putin’s illegal incursion into Crimea. He would have rolled over for Putin. Let’s not pretend he would have tried to force anything here. He’s completely ignorant of geopolitics. Russia has a history of aggression and is a threat to other European nations. It’s why NATO is vital to the western alliance. Ukraine is a nation that desires membership into the EU and NATO. Bankrolling this conflict drags it out and weakens our enemy politically and economically, while propping up a future ally. There is clear value in that. There also won’t be a ww3. If Russia can’t win a proxy war in Ukraine, it can’t survive a direct clash with NATO. This conflict has proven its military capabilities are less formidable than previously believed.

[sheenagwapa]

i don't think Putincould be swayed by his decision. not even by Trump. Putin is ambitious and gettinh older. he wannq have some kind of legacy. i think the best thing to do is prat and hope that the western leaders will do the right move

[Leopard23]

We did something similar in the cold war. This is ear by proxy and Russia has exposed themselves. The Biden administration is just being opportunistic. You gotta rope China in too that way it links NATO countries to what is going on in the south China Sea and economically isolates china. Meanwhile the US military is bringing in new weapons and equipment replacing cold war era designs.

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[loveslongnails]

"IF Trump was in office he would've sat Putin and Zelenski down and said "Here's how it's going to be" --- You're whacked. Seriously whacked. If Trump were in office, he'd have denounced Zelenski, offered to help Putin and said "Russia's claim to the Ukraine is legitimate so they should take it by force if necessary."

[Chazmatazz269]

War is the greatest economic stimulus known to our species. The capitalists make money on the destruction. Then they make money on the rebuilding. Then they get to take over one or more banking systems. Rinse and repeat to create the global elite.

[Tyrael]

How you gonna force a negotiation with someone who doesn't want to negotiate? Putin thinks he's entitled to Ukraine because he wants to rebuild the USSR. He's not going to stop at Ukraine and you're naive if you believe he will.

[Agape93]

To quote a trotskyite, I want to see how long i can dance in the pits of hell before i die.

[Jessica405]

What is Putin's objective? To recreate the USSR. Are you naive enough to believe he would stop at Ukraine? Moldova and Georgia would be next.

[CALIGVLA]

I have no doubt that Biden and BlackRock want Ukraine to be a depopulated piece of land. They probably want to control its fertile soil, but they might have more sinister intentions in mind.

[Leopard23]

It's not about Ukraine, its about Russia and making it bleed.

[CALIGVLA]

@Leopard23 This is Dick Dastardly's geopolitics. We're bleeding with them.

[Leopard23]

What are we bleeding? We are giving them cold war era weapons that are getting replaced or given away anyway.

[CALIGVLA]

@Leopard23 So are they doing. They're getting rid of old Soviet equipment in Ukraine and saving their best.

Additionally, we don't only give Ukraine weapons but cash too. Billions. Without economic aid Ukraine would fall in the first week. You don't make wars without money.

[Leopard23]

They aren't saving their best. They've shortages of every kind. The country that manufactured 75 million AK47s has few left in Russia, they are arming troops with weaponry from ww1&2. Corruption and low wages means that generals and officers sold off ammunition & equipment and spare parts.
Watch for the end result and how the US benefits.

[CALIGVLA]

@Leopard23 You're a hopeless moron if you believe this. The whole West is gonna be demoralized and probably get a century of humiliation. But that's maybe what our society needs in order to get rid of deadweights like you and renew itself.

[Leopard23]

Back in 2019 Trump publicly told Germany and other European nations that they need to contribute more to NATO, they need to spend more on their militaries rather than rely on the US for the lionshare of their protection and that they need to stop buying Russian oil/gas. That policy was the same under Bush, same under Obama and didn't change under Biden. Fast forward to 2023 and what is the end result. There's a big shake up going on and it started during the Obama administration when the US went after Russian oil/gas profits back in 2008 to undermine their economy so they'd have less to spend on their military and the failed coups in Syria and libyia which intended to pipe oil/gas into Europe from Oman and Libya in direct competition with Russian oil/gas into Europe. Its all about spheres of influence, if Russia loses in Ukraine NATO will be the dominant force in the black sea and other Russian states and satellites are already seeing Russian failure in Ukraine as an opportunity to breakaway. China sees Russian weakness as an opportunity for cheap energy and the recovery of former Chinese territory lost to Russia and India sees Russian weakness as an opportunity for cheap oil/gas and Russian technology.

[CALIGVLA]

@Leopard23 I couldn't care less about NATO, you dimwit. I don't sell weapons, I have zero interest in keeping this organization up and running. Neither do you, but you support NATO because you're sheep. The only things NATO are good for are spending our money, enforcing "diversity" and bringing up 0 positice results.

I love it how NATO is being humiliated by Russia and day after day is losing strength to compete with China, only morons like you can't see it. By the way, the last thing you will see is China going against Russia. CNN pundits don't know shit about China, they're not giving you actual information.

You're gonna live a Chinese century and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Miristheiss]

Partially. It is NATO, not just the USA. Canada, England, France, Germany, Estonia as well as other countries have given aid to the Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

because the dude is old. he won't live much longer so anything he is doing will not affect him whatsoever. that's why america is fucking burning

[Guy13]

It’s not America. It is Biden and the Communist are forcing our hand.

[Amur8711]

I do not want it! I don't want to be sending trillions of dollars to Ukraine and funding their own pensions when so many Americans don't have a pension.

[Leopard23]

To be fair old cold war era equipment is being got rid of as thd US military updates its weapons and equipment
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[Anonymous]

It’s Biden and the war-mongering Democrats. They even recently told the United Nations NOT to broker any peace talks.

[Anonymous]

More like Biden plus 1/3 of America - not most of America.

[alice55]

It's just a new cold war really

[rabbitzzz]

To reduce male to female ratio.

[Zayed_]

Because they are free masons!

[msc545]

Nobody wants a nuclear war - not really.