We see more and more men feminizing, but is it really because there are more of them, or is it because society today is more tolerant on these subjects and therefore people dare to be more "herself".
Do you think that men today are more feminine or is it just that society is more tolerant?
I have my own theory. I believe the reason has to do with our progress past the survivalist society that it made fewer men do much more of the hard work, while turning the majority of men into 9 to 5 corporate slaves without a mind of their own. Back in the days marriage was something sacred and those wedding vows meant something. Now? Not as much. Part of the reason as to why it happened is because our forefathers have failed us as they allowed this degeneracy to happen, and now that the train has set off at full velocity it's gonna get much worse before it gets better (if it doesn't even crash that is).
Feminism used to just be about women's rights (allegedly) but now it has turned into something more sinister. There's a war on masculinity, and they are trying to erase gender. They are trying to spread this belief that sex is rigid while gender is fluid, and soon enough they will probably come out dating that XX and XY are both the same and that science has "gray areas" as well. Why are they doing it? Well, to gain control. You can't gain control over those that resist, that's why why use shaming language such as "bigot" and "transphobe" or "misogynistic" to keep those of us who want to say the truth away while they do their evil deeds unchecked. Those of us who are more gullible are more prone to indoctrination, and they (the feminists) know that as long as they can get as many of us on the program as possible, the rest of us will have to shut up and accept it, because there's strength in numbers (even if those numbers aren't made up of the smartest individuals).
The biggest threat to masculinity is NOT women or feminists. I repeat, women aren't the issue. The biggest threat is the men allowing it to happen and encouraging such behavior in our society. They need to be dealt with if we are to put a permanent fix to the problem. Feminism cannot exist without men, you certainly have no feminism in Ukraine where the men are dying at war defending their homeland. It's not at the top of the political agenda, because they want the MEN to be focused for combat and protect their borders. You don't have feminism in less fortunate society because they want the men to be happy so that they can keep providing for their families as long as they have a purpose. When you don't have a purpose, that's when you start to turn dangerous and a threat to your society, or a consumer with no means to give back to society (like the men who have lost their masculinity).
I look around and I don't recognize my surroundings. I'm only 21, but I sometimes feel like I have lived a lifetime already seeing what I see today. My mother - bless her heart - instilled those ideas in me and my father raised me to be a strong man, so when I see weakness in men it goes against what I believe in and I have a desire to correct that. If we can't at least call out what's wrong in our society without being called all kinds of names and "phobes" in return, then don't call us back to fix it when it all crashes and burns because the only one who knows how to fix the ceiling is the one who has the building's blueprint.
Well Said. Men created feminism. Most feminists don't hate all men; it's just a specific group of men. Men who degrade and are disrespectful towards women. Why would a woman hate a respectful man? Exactly! Want me to be more specific? Alright, check out that fit and fresh podcast; they are why women are "Feminists." Just wanted to add that.
@Pinz89 I don't think it's as simple as men being disrespectful towards women. Men aren't a monolith and we all think differently so we can't really be classified as such. The problem is a lot deeper than just words. Allow me to explain:
Well, to tell you the truth feminism came in multiple phases, and the first phase (also known as first wave) began in the 1840s by Susan B Anthony. However, it would be inaccurate to assume that the idea did not exist before then, rather it was started in a more mainstream sense back in that time.
You mentioned the red pill. The red pill as a movement for example even though it was started in the late 2000s, was more than likely an idea that had existed but not acted upon for a lot longer before it went mainstream.
The point I'm trying to make is that they didn't just come out of thin air, they were there for a while. As far as feminism is concerned, men didn't create feminism, they rather allowed it. Creating something means participation in the idea and the execution of that idea, while allowing something to happen means looking the other way as somebody with authority.
I would say naahh. Life was waay harder in the great depression era, you dont see many gays then lol.
I would say social media has made people distracted. Has also made people more sheepish with there opinions in some respects like the "youtube algorithm". But then your also able to google new ideas and pursue them.
Porn is a big one, made men feel inadequate to sell a product Dating apps allow women to chase 6ft plusers its the paradox of choice Women also looking at instagram feel insecure about there bodies.
But in the religous texts you dont see anything about dealing with Body dysmorphia or dealing with dating apps or heightism or addiction or trans procedures. These are new grounds New grounds are fraught with instability.
TIk Tok is just garbage. I can't even lol
Regardless remove the garbage of the internet and society wins.
Men dont need to be killers to be manly, in regards to Ukraine.
Women finally having a voice is very pleasant luxury we didn't really have in the past. a lot of Third world countries still silence there women and they are not happy there constantly neglected and objectified and vulnerable to abuse. (Afghanistan is a crazy extreme example but even in moderate it still applies)
People have there right to their own opinion. The world isn't crumbling. Just be on point and discpline which I am not doing lol this website is addicting I need to block it. lol
Actually marriage back then was just a forced marriage thing to the one you saw most near to you at the time.. "LOVE" and being "SELECTIVE" isn't practical in the past lol
Imagine in the Medieval times women asking for 6ft plusers 100k wage and 8 inch d like GL with that
@Pinz89 Now why is that significant? Think about this for a minute. Those who signed these laws into effect didn't do it out of the kindness of their own hearts, there was an ulterior motive. If we know one thing about the US government, it serves its own interests and the interests of the 1% first before it serves those of the people. It's basically economics 101.
Women's right to vote and right to work I agree with, which I believe is a basic human right which should be afforded to all citizens. So far so good. Legal protections from domestic violence and and sexual assualt are also basic human rights that should be afforded to all citizens, and women deserve those rights. So where exactly did we go wrong? In the second wave. Sexual liberation and abortion rights have messed up our society, and men have allowed that without interference. Why? Capitalism. We know that 1) sex sells (ads and movies for example) and 2) abortion removes the obligation for shotgun marriages and encourages women to be more independent (same with birth control). More independence = 2 incomes = more spending = money circulates into society (consumerism) and they get their money back (the people at the top). Feminists are being used as proxies and they think that they are making progress, when in reality you notice that every time it's a rich man/government figure that gets accused with doing something shady to women they get away with it, even if these men are so-called feminists (Joe Biden or Former NY Governor as well). These so-called champions of women's rights get away with doing evil crap, and the feminists get to hate on the remaining 99% of men that had NOTHING to do with they are complaining about, and then you wonder why there's such a divide between the genders.
@turnpost You're missing the point. The easier life gets, the weaker men get.
"Hard times make strong men, strong men make easy times, easy times make weak men, weak men make hard times"
The point is that it was a combination of our sociological advancement as a species, combined with feminism and some male opportunists who wanted to make a quick buck out of that movement. Without the facilitators, feminism would just be an idea. It has nothing to do with "killing" rather the idea that in that particular example I gave, men are needed to act like men, so the message that's given is in support of masculinity rather than encouraging degeneracy. I'm willing to bet that if America is to get attacked, they will remove all of these forced lgbt scenes from movies and start showing patriotic war ads and "support our troops" rhetoric to get the men to wake up and act accordingly. The media is the tool of the 1% to control the narrative, and they use it strategically depending on the situation.
@turnpost Marriage was never meant to be about love. Marriage is a duty that you owe to your community, it gives you purpose as a young man and it keeps you willing to participate for the betterment of society. Even in the animal kingdom it's well known that the stray animal is the one that's the most dangerous to that particular tribe (in this case men without a family to go back to). Incels are dangerous, and the only way you can solve that problem is if you get them paired up. These are practical discussions that nobody seems interested in talking about, but what I find out is that half of society's problems would disappear if people were more married.
"""" but what I find out is that half of society's problems would disappear if people were more married.""""
That is not true, at least in my case. Marriage is an amplifier. If your happy great get married and you'll be more happy
If your sad and habits are garbage then marriage will amplify that make your life even worse. Wife cheats... bad influence.. babies because no protection.
Marriage doesn't exactly solve problems. That is a pixie dream. Fix yourself and then share your happiness.
"""""Incels fing eachother when they are sexual on the same team seems like a weird strategy"""" Incel are not dangerous lol
That still dosent make me change my mind about what I said. I said what I said, and I meant what I said. didn't really read what you had to say because what you could've told me could've been written in a paragraph or even less, and I just skimmed over it. The red pill is and will always be the root of feminism (and many other podcast and discussions like it) and why women and men have a division, well, some men and women. So until these insecure men stop making these podcasts about everything that's wrong with women, feminism isn't going to end.
@Pinz89 Ma'am with all due respect, you're missing the point. I'm gonna simplify this further.
Red pill => Late 2000s Feminism => 2nd wave 1960s, 3rd wave 1990s, 4th wave current day
Red pill cannot be the cause of feminism if feminism originated before the red pill.
Feminism initially began as a fight for women's civil rights and ended as a rebellion against the establishment. Feminism as a movement wouldn't exist without male support. Men in places of power won't allow feminism to exist if they don't gain from it.
Therefore, feminism makes those men (1%) richer and that's why they support it, while the rest of mankind suffers.
You're talking about podcasts, I'm talking about a MUCH bigger problem that's related to sociology and economics. It's not as simple as Fresh and Fit, those 2 idiots know nothing about anything.
@turnpost What are you talking about dude? You mean to tell me crime wouldn't decrease if we had more people married? Proverty? Homelessness? You're thinking at such surface level, I'm talking about MAJOR social problems.
You're using an exception and applying it to the rule. That's not how it works sir, it's not an "amplifier" because you can't "amplify" kids, you have to create them. You can't "amplify" fatherhood, you have to be present. You cannot "amplify" that role as a parent and a husband in the community, it's either there or it isn't.
You're trying to apply the micro into the macro, and that won't work. Happiness was never the motivation to get married either, I told you it was a dept owed to the society and community that raised you, that you will keep the existence of mankind going by having children and making sure that these children are well-equipped and ready to face all the necessary challenges that life has to offer. Simultaneously, fulfilling that duty tends to make us happier as men, and statistics prove that men who are married are generally happier and live longer. Anyone who says anything besides that is living in denial.
@turnpost Also, yes incels are dangerous. Extremely dangerous. Everyone knows Elliot Rodger, the mass shooter of Santa Barbara was an INCEL. He hated women because he felt like he was left out, so he took it upon himself to take lives. He's not the only one to do it either, there have been multiple instances since 2014 Santa Barbara and they all reference this dude, Elliot Rodger as their inspiration. I think any act of intentionally taking human life (outside of self defence) should be punishable by death. However, we have no solution to this unique problem that we're faced with here, because even if we do punish him, what about those who may get radicalized and choose to follow in his footsteps? We have all heard of the saying "you can kill the man but not the idea" and the only way you can kill this idea, is if you give them what they want (I know sounds like a basic solution but quite practical). Anything else is just unrealistic.
@Pinz89 Imbeciles? And who's "y'all"? I already told you we are not a monolith, you're talking to the man with the username @Datboi65 and not "all men". We're not all in whatsapp group together.
It seems like you just purposefully miss the point and don't read any of what I say, you just want to be right.
Say a WhatsApp group đ¤Łđ¤Ł. That was funny. I didn't know you could speak nonsense and be funny at the same time. And I do not want to be right; it's just that I am right.
You know you can use Prostitutes for ammunition in the war against incels.
Just throw one in a bedroom and BAMMM. Problem solved.
Idc and I don't know wtf Elloit Rodger is. by the way you talk a lot. You are assuming waaaay to many things. So just relax. Are you ok? Ask yourself this. I blocked this website I just saw this at my last go.
@Pinz89 Alright ma'am, now I know all you wanted to add was that comment about Fresh and Fit, you can go talk about it with someone else. I got bigger fish to fry.
@turnpost Adding prostitutes in the mix is basically what we are trying to prevent đ
Remember I said more wives, not prostitutes.
Also, prostitutes won't solve an incel's problem. It's like putting a patch on an infected wound.
Lastly, if you don't know the person I referenced and have no interest in giving any constructive ideas, why did you write anything to begin with? You could've just left this post undisturbed and gone with your life. I don't understand people that argue with you for no reason, and then when you show them that they're missing a few points then all of a sudden "I don't want to argue this is my last post". Next time don't write if you're not ready for a debate.
Reflect on your words. What is your original point? Going back to the post of the question
Society is more tolerant all around. If you want to go to a place that is more hard. Go to Saudi Arabia you'll fit right in. Bye. I have better things to do then argue with you all day about petty dum details that I idrc about that much. But lol I wrote the piece below just give you sense of what I am feeling of your character. ((I remember some time ago someone told me I was being quite cringey and that post was enlightening to me)))
Your opinions, remind me of a person who seems like a person who crosses a road without looking both ways because he relies on his confidence that he is right irregardless of the circumstances.
There is a sense maniac energy in you (this isn't a compliment). Calm down with your sources, and talk from within your inner belief as to what you believe in not some misc. resource.
@turnpost Ad hominem is the language of the weak. I never called you a single thing in my post, now that you cannot handle a proper debate you resort to attacks about what you presume to be my character. I cannot say that I'm surprised.
Yes, for your information too much tolerance is a bad thing, just like extreme repression is also bad. The best of everything should always be somewhere in the middle. I don't think it's ridiculous to say that hook up culture is more extreme than getting married. Nobody said that we should aspire to be like Afghanistan, that's just insane. See, what you do is rather than respond to the idea you through in some hyperbolic statements to basically say that anyone who disagrees with the status quo wants to be in a totalitarian society, which is not only dishonest but also an oversimplification of a much bigger problem that quiet frankly I don't think you're even interested in solving to begin with.
Whatever your motives were for this are not constructive, you're here to argue because you have too much time to pass and have nothing better to do, and it shows in your half-assed replies. I'm gonna do us all a favor and stop responding. Have a blessed day.
@Datboi65 I agree with most of what you said, but your third paragraph is 100% incorrect. Men cannot do anything to reverse this trend. It will have to be women. This is entirely in women's hands. They're the ones who broke it, so they're the ones who are going to have to fix it.
Well, to be fair I can see where you are coming from. I certainly used to think that way, but now I don't see it as practical anymore. I'm more of a pessimist, so I don't believe that they will change if they were told to and I also believe that the alternative is much worse. If I gave you free money and told you to give it back, you wouldn't do that would you? We should go after those who continue to allow that degeneracy to even be present in the first place. Are there women in power who are responsible for this? Sure. However, majority of decision-makers are men, so we will have to put the main focus at them instead.
"I don't believe that they would change if they were told to.". I don't believe they would, either. That's my point. I'm not saying to tell them to change. I'm saying let them figure it out themselves. Then they will actually be motivated to change. Women are dense, and they never listen anyway. The idea has to come from within.
@Jamie05rhs We can wait forever and nothing will change, or we can start sooner and finish sooner. The problem is that this is a time-sensitive matter. In 2 decades the demographic will be looking veeeerrry different compared to today, and not in a good way.
@Jamie05rhs I already said, I propose we change the laws through going after male law makers who allow this madness to happen. If we can replace them by those who are more willing to work with us, then we can push our agenda forward. Majority wins, so that's a democratic solution and they don't have to like it either. Change doesn't have to come from within if it's enforced, they just have to make the necessary adjustments. Men didn't like splitting 50% of their assets in divorce, but they do it anyway because the court orders them to. All I'm saying is let's level the playing field. Ban abortion, child support, welfare and you will see them start to act right and adjust their behavior.
@Datboi65 That's never going to happen, though. (I'm not trying to be rude; I'm not speaking honestly with you here.). The political landscape does not support those objectives. They are dead in the water.
@Jamie05rhs They don't have to though. We can make our way in. We need to learn how to recruit members and push our agenda. We have the finances and the social leverage, but it's only because some of us are scared of what these dudes at the top have to say, that's why we don't say nothing about them. We made this political system and we can fix it.
@Datboi65 The social leverage? Really? I'm sorry, but that just isn't factual.
And plus, I don't even support your legislative agenda myself. And there are a lot of people like me out there. We aren't bad people; we just may disagree on strategy. So you'd have to convince all of us first.
@Jamie05rhs Yes, social leverage. Those who created the system know it best.
I don't know what exactly you disagree on in a policy that suggests banning abortions, child support and welfare? If we can manage to get the right folks in office, they will get things done. The current people that are in government do not have this as their priority in their political agenda so that's why nothing is being done. If we wait for feminists to repent, we will be waiting forever.
@Datboi65 "Those who created the system know it best.". Conservatives created the current system? I think notz my friend. Much of the current system was set up by feminists and communists.
"I don't know what exactly you disagree on..." I'm a compassionate conservative like George W. Bush. I don't think welfare is bad. I support welfare programs. (As long as they are audited for waste, fraud, and abuse.)
@Jamie05rhs 1) Current system is temporary. I'm talking about the bigger picture, the judicial system in general. More male lawyers and lawmakers.
2) Candidates like that donwin because you DON'T prioritize them.
3) Welfare splits up families. Before welfare, women who were pregnant and unmarried had to get married to survive. Now the don't. We're rewarding bad behavior. (Not talking about victims of r*pe so please don't bring them up).
@Datboi65 Why would we want single mothers to get married out of desperation? Their boyfriend was probably a piece of shit who would not make a good husband. That's how they got pregnant in the first place. And how is it helping men to have to marry these irresponsible women? I'd much rather give a single mother my tax dollars then have to put up with her and her kids 24/7. (But this is why we have child support, too. So the people responsible for making these bastards are the ones who have to pay for their upkeep.)
@Jamie05rhs These shotgun marriages I mentioned used to last longer than the average marriage today.
Nobody said childless men should marry single mothers. Don't put words in my mouth. I said a single moms should marry her baby daddy, because he's probably the best man she will ever get. If she doesn't, then no welfare because she should've been more responsible. Child support should be given only after confirmed paternity and only if the father earns more and is not the primary caretaker, and there should be laws punishing use of child support funds by the mother for leisure (buying purses and heels for example) by a minimum of 1 month in jail, depending on the severity of the case. It should be seen as theft from the father and the baby.
@Datboi65 The dudes that get girls pregnant these days are not the same dudes as the ones 50 years ago. They're not loverboys who just couldn't wait to get their hands on their sweetheart's body. On the contrary, they're actually just fuckboys who have the sole intention of taking advantage of young women for their sexual gratification. They're really despicable human beings. So, shotgun or not, these guys are not going to be good husbands nor good fathers. You're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole (for lack of a better term).
@Jamie05rhs Who told you that fuckboys did not exist back then as well? For whatever it may be, they made that choice and they have to live with it. If not, they will face the full force of the law.
Anyways man, I'm having a busy next week and I have to hop off to start planning for it. Great discussion and God bless.
Every generation, this planet is filled with people of all types who are easily susceptible to whatever is trending. They are not trendsetters, but trend followers.
And, since a capitalist economy thrives on people spending money on "discretionary spending" (aka non-essential crap), industries love these people because they are easy to take money from. Many companies in these industries become trendsetters creating new trends that the trend followers feel compelled to spend money on so they can keep up with the latest trend.
Look at the fashion industry which is the perfect example of this.
But companies aren't stupid; they'll latch onto some other trend and promote it to make more money.
Look at the feminized guy in your picture for this question. He has to go out and buy the clothes that give him this image associated with a trend that he feels he needs to follow. Right? Think about it: who is making money here? The women's fashion and acccessory industry by expanding women's fashions to men!
@Mamasanma Yes it does. Because, in generations past, men didn't want "to be like that" unless they were actually gay. There is no magical "gay flu" making a lot more men gay; thus the fraction of men who are gay should be roughly constant. But the increase in feminized men illustrates a certain mental weakness. It is the same mental weakness that gives rise to the Manosphere.
@Mamasanma Yes, we called them closeted homosexuals. THat number has not changed. However, there are straight men dressing like this; these are the people who are trendfollowers.
Young lady: Accept this fact about the world because the entire world economy feeds off of trendfollowers. Without them, the world economy would be considerably smaller - especially in the cultural areas.
Let me ask you this: How many albums by The Beatles do you own? Answer: Not as many as a girl your age 55 years ago. Why? Because The Beatles aren't trendy right now...
Being feminine and masculine are social constructs created by men centuries ago. It isnât real. They are just traditions and anyone with common sense knows what traditions means; not always factual, just the way things use to be that many people believe is still right. These traditions are harmful to society by the way.
Because there is no way being a man means having independence, youâre assertive, and a leader while being a woman means youâre weak, agreeable, gentle, and an emotional being. No damn way. Even the typical meanings of these terms are bias and unjust
Now I admit, seeing a man with nail polish and heels on may appear weird (obviously because society has been conditioned to believe what a man should wear and look like and what a woman should) but itâs fashion. He may be presumed to be gay even though heâs âacting like a womanâ. But again, thatâs because society and this world is still traditionally wrong and progression is slow. Men, women, peopleâs race, gender, rich, poor, money, taxes, politics, etc. all those things are slow in progression and still traditionally viewed strongly. Gender roles and genderlized traits still be apart of society even after my 28 years of life is over.
You dont at all think women had anything to do with social constructs? Is it common for women to like to be dominated in bed or is that just a coincidence? Is it common that women like a tall than her type of husband? You dont think that women like men who are strong and stubborn and willing to take care of you. (Women are too blame as well fo the social constructs lol. that is my point) But to be fair a lot is not fair for women. Equal rights is very very important. Equal respect as well.
The answer is partly culture and acceptance. Also the guy is batting for a different team, and thats ok, he has different customers.
@hIopinionated_ No men and women centuries ago werenât brainwashed by the modern society the way they are today. They behaved more in accordance with what DNA and hormonal levels they were born with. That doesnât mean everything was better back then. But still if you take away all the modern technology and society functions men and women are more likely to behave by their innate impulses.
ANYWAY is not ânormalâ for vast majority of men to be acting feminized like the guy is in the question photo.
That doesnât mean he should be bullied. I wonât tell him he canât do act that way. But I will never believe he was born that way. No. Instead THAT behavior was âsociallyâ constructed because we now live in a society that incentivizes that.
""""""No men and women centuries ago werenât brainwashed by the modern society the way they are today. They behaved more in accordance with what DNA and hormonal levels they were born with. That doesnât mean everything was better back then. But still if you take away all the modern technology and society functions men and women are more likely to behave by their innate impulses.
ANYWAY is not ânormalâ for vast majority of men to be acting feminized like the guy is in the question photo.""""""""
I totally agree. Social Media has made everything Hypersexual.
""""""That doesnât mean he should be bullied. I wonât tell him he canât do act that way. But I will never believe he was born that way. No. Instead THAT behavior was âsociallyâ constructed because we now live in a society that incentivizes that."""""""
He shouldn't be bullied. As you said
But his orientation in terms romantically chasing men is his own, not from the media. Society incentives chasing women as well so your point is mute here.
Wanting higher level of taboo to have same sex intercourse is as kink thing because of pornagraphy can explain the sexual side of things to him but then why is he dressing all weird.
Regardless to each there own, he is not normal and society as a whole doesn't not exactly accept this person in media maybe. but in real life nope (evidence we are talking about him and judging him). I believe that guy is being who he is. Truly and that is great.
@turnpost well nowadays there are so called straight guys who act that way which is nuts.
Again people can do what they want. But if there ever has been âsocial constructionâ in society itâs happening NOW. I do not believe these people would normally acts this way unless they are incentivized to do so.
@turnpost of course women had nothing to do with most social constructs. Women had no rights, wasnât allowed to work, own property, couldnât even own her own body, etc. They were sold off by their fathers and given to abusive men to clean, cook, and make babies. Sure today, some women like to be dominated IN BED, wants a strong man and stubborn but letâs not get that confused with being willing to be taken care of. Many women want that because we have all been conditioned. A woman have to really know herself and be confident to step out of what society teaches us which is not being submissive and wanting equal rights and mutual respect. Women are not to blame for social constructs considering it was men who created them and pushed those constructs into society first. Sure, women today pushes them as well but it was men from the beginning and a brainwashed person canât be not brainwashed quickly. It will take centuries to come. This was done on purpose
@blueonblack22 DNA and hormone levels has absolutely nothing to do with social constructs and gender roles. Being a woman does not mean sheâs destined to cook and clean and being a man does not mean heâs destined to be a leader and to be served just because heâs a man.
Men are emotional beings. Women are emotional beings. Women can be leaders. Men can be leaders. It depends on the individual not a gender
@turnpost@hIopinionated_. Just one question for everyone. Is everybody seriously happier nowadays? Depressions rates are skyrocketing. Lifelong single hood is skyrocketing. Is this what makes men and women happy? Just a androgynous existence?
For the record I explicitly said I donât care about what people do in their private lives. But it was never about âacceptanceâ instead itâs about âcelebrateâ like alternative choices are so good for everyone. I canât be like âoh good for you. Weâll have a nice dayâ either. No. I have to notice and âembraceâ and 100% agree with everything rights We have to get out the balloons and streamers when people do this.
@blueonblack22 of course no oneâs happy. Women want equity, mutual respect, and equal opportunity and men want sex and to control women. Not being able to do what most men use to do, to women, in the past feels like oppression to men. While women are fighting for something as basic as bodily autonomy rights. Too many women have found their voices and realized they donât need men. We can make our own money, own property, and be happy without men. What WILL make a woman also unhappy is the fact that even though she doesnât need a man, she may WANT one and realizes she canât even get the damn bare minimum. That would make anyone unhappy
I could careless about other peopleâs private lives unless theyâre hurting other people. Iâm not congratulating anyone for doing the most basic thing like embracing their sexuality. It isnât my business. Iâm happy for them because the world needs normal people being themselves and being gay or bi is normal
Do you mean society as in "America" ? Countries have always had different standards as what is considered feminine or masculine. If you have traveled to a country that has a very different culture from yours, you would maybe have noticed. In France, I think men will be viewed more feminine from an American viewpoint, and in Asia, men would be viewed as very feminine from a french viewpoint for example. I think it's just a matter of culture but also the world being so much more tolerant & connected, men can express themselves a lot more freely without getting killed for it (I mean tbh... it still depends where you are in the world)!
Anyway, I think the broad question & the very specific image are on two ends of a spectrum so it's hard to answer.
It is observed that the modern city man is not physically exposed to war, which influences him in the reduction of abrupt/aggressive traits (not even an army general necessarily has them), there is less real burden of protection for women ( who blackmails him with his reproductive sexual need) and this frees him allowing him to develop other facets typical of each man.
And precisely for this reason it is believed that man is becoming "feminine"; because it is the development of a state of freedom that women have had for centuries, since they have always been protected by men.
But so that man does not forget to be the eternal protector of the "damsel", there must be an internal enemy and that is⌠âŚthe man himself (that is where feminism comes in).
Today decrees from different States are issued in vain announcing a cancellation of compulsory military service giving him a false feeling of "equal" rights with women, but immediately there is an armed confrontation the man will again be forced to carry a rifle and serve as cannon fodder.
People will do what society incentivizes them to do.
You see different behavior in the animal species when males compete for females. Buck deer fight each other for reproductive access. Male lions fight each other to protect or take over lion prides. Males and females do behave differently at its set at DNA and hormonal level. Social âconstructedâ my ass.
With that said I do believe the whole âalpha vs beta male/femaleâ concept was way out of whack a few years ago. It had some grains of truth but it was also being used to confuse and bully people.
However men and women are fundamentally different and masculinity vs. femininity is what creates sexual attraction because human beings have an innate biological drive to reproduce. âQuestioningâ hard biológical science like itâs âconstructedâ is only confusing and screwing up people much more than itâs helping. Itâs not making anyone truly happy. Thatâs for sure.
I don't think you will see that many guys as feminized as in the pic. Certainly if someone does wish to dress like in the pic it will tolerated. Drag queens have always feminized a lot.
I doubt the percentage of men who want to adopt feminine dress has changed but I'm sure the ability to do so has increased because of said tolerance. If we were talking about patterns of speech then I think there is more feminization in that respect.
Had to laugh a couple of years back. The bar-girl was very flirtatious but 'she' forgot about the bulge in her micro skirt. She noticed I had noticed and just poured the drink I ordered. But just about every other guy that came in didn't noticed and 'she flirted with them. I suppose she got more tips that way.
I think itâs because society is becoming more tolerant. Most of Gen z are really care free. They wear and do what they want without worrying about judgement of others.
And if a man dressed femininely and got made fun of for it, there are more people who will defend them rather than join in and laugh at them like they would years ago.
Men expressing their femininity is definitely not a new thing either. Just look at celebs like David Bowie who wore dresses and make up. Prince would go on stage with black ass-less lace pants. Even Elvis used to get called gay back in the day for wearing bright colored suits with capes and flowers on them.
I would say even rock stars like the members of Kiss were dressed feminine. they wore make up and high heeled boots. itâs been a thing for a long time.
Some guys are fem. But I think the reason why is because more of these men are speaking up and saying they shouldn't have their manhood be decided on solely because they're feminine or like certain things. Which I agree with them because you shouldn't always have to be masculine to be considered a man.
I would say it's more acceptable nowadays than it was in the past. Like guys that come out as feminine are sometimes viewed in a more positive light than guys that work or enjoy what's considered manly. So guys might grow up and learn why masculinity is dangerous and as no one wants to be viewed as a danger they look elsewhere for purpose. Sure the feminine guys might raise as well but not that strong.
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We have more gay in America because of the hormones in food.
The straight ones, also are victims to the substances chemicals and hormones in food. Except they donât do anything about it. Theyâre PâRN LEACHES. No woman is turning to look at them. Theyâre weak undesirable males. In a fight with another male, theyâd loose their life. 🤡
This question pops up and there's always the same group of people who are ignorant about history. There has never been a traditional masculine way of acting or dressing. Men's values have changed dramatically over time. It used to be acceptable for boys to wear pink and makeup on a regular basis. Now it's not.
Only people who are completely ignorant of history actually think society is becoming more feminine/masculine.
Theyâve always been with is throughout history but its become more acceptable for them to come out and truly express themselves openly. So yes its the latter. Society has become more tolerant.
That depends on where you go though. Its not so tolerant in highly religious right communities in the u. s. for example. But new york or l. a. and its very acceptable.
Quite frankly, you sound like a man hater. Because before being man and woman, they're fellow humans. How does their personal choices affect you? Oh that's right â it doesn't.
No, not at all, I am trying to understand if it is just the society that is more tolerant towards the difference. But my English is bad, I am not English or American, so it is difficult for me to express myself with all the necessary nuances in this language
Men today are less masculine because feminism has foolishly taught people that masculinity is negative. But also because boys in school are picking up American female behaviors from their female peers, which is really sad.
Some are but i go for the âstraightâ ones that dont dress/act feminine. And i certainly dont care to be around the flamboyant type. Its okay to be in touch with your emotions but the above is literally a man wanting to not be a man anymore.
Yes they are. The modern world is destroying testosterone levels. So many of the chemicals we are exposed destroy testosterone production. The culture doesn't help either
Most men who look like the photo above should of probably been a woman. Definitely coming out the womb with a special cocktail if jacked up poisoned hormones.
Society has become more tolerant. For a long time these guys would have been attacked, bullied and shamed for this but now society is more accepting and tolerant so they get a chance to express themselves.
Also I don't know why people are pressed by this. In older times, there were monarchs and bourgeoisie who wore makeup and jewellery and flamboyant dresses much more than men today. This isn't something new.
I mean it's neither. It's like if there is no such thing as weed there would be no pot heads. If there is more and more weed available for cheaper and cheaper and less issues then more and more pot heads.
I have absolutely no doubt: this is a product of so many man being raised without a strong male role model. they either end up a criminal (bad role model steps in) or a little fairy. Its a crying shame
The T level dropping is an issue indeed because of how less people work nowadays making men less of a "man" than their fathers. But that has nothing to do dressing feminine. That kind of trend had already existed since the 1700s
I reckon society is getting more tolerant, and many males (genetics) are women or enbies (social stuff), so thatâs partially why some âmenâ get more feminine.
definitely more feminine but is it the trends to be feminine so that's why
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I think there are a lot more trans girls who are daring to express themselves as female today. I think most cis guys are just as masculine as they were in the past.
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