The second part of this has been addressed previously on this site, the fact of the matter is that those religious people had been interfering with the clinic over a long period of time, they were invited politely and firmly over a long period of time to fuck off and mind their own business but they refused, continued to harass people and a restraining order / exclusion zone was set up. That is what the woman is being arrested for violating the exclusion zone and she knows damn well that she isn't allowed to be there because she has been told again and again and again. She is a fucking troll and should be banged up.
Regarding the first part which is new to me I will explain the position;
People in the UK have a protected right to freely express their sexuality in any manner they choose with a consenting adult partner or partners.
As such it was inappropriate for the priest, who was acting as a representative of the hospital, to tell the patient that their life choices are wrong.
Religious freedom does not extend to oppressing the rights of other people.
The priest is complaining that he is being wrongfully terminated but this simply not the case; the long and the short of it is that he can't do the job.
We are not talking about some random fucking priest who has been invited in off the street to do whatever the fuck he wants like he owns the place or he is on his own time here.
There are multiple lengthy documents clearly listing and defining the standards which must be met any a person in this role, just as there is for every fucking job in the NHS.
This guy has been doing this along time and he fucking damn well knows that he expressly forbidden to proselytise so when he 'is asked what he thinks about homosexuality' he is not infact being asked what he thinks, he is not at liberty to disclose what he personally thinks about homosexuality, he isn't being asked to use his own judgement about the interpretation of religious text, he is not there to change anyones mind, pass judgement, to educate, inform, instruct or otherwise modify anyones belief or choices about anything.
The role is to provide comfort and support etc in a manner which is beneficial for and in the interests of the patient.
That is what the fucking job is and it doesn't matter if they are paid or volunteers, they are expect to conduct themselves to the required standards and if they can't then they can't be there.
The priest says quote 'I didn't try to push it on him, I just sort of laid it out to try to open his mind slowly about it, and it wasn't a confrontational talk' it doesn't matter how gently or in what manner he is approaching the subject, he is not there to 'open minds' he has been explictly and expressly forbidden from doing this and he is fully aware of this fact.
Quote from the Chaplaincy code of conduct: Patients and service users have a right to expect that chaplaincy care will be experienced as neither insensitive nor proselytising.
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It is rather worse than you think Juxapose because there is no such thing as free thought in the case of the woman silently praying. At bottom is a review of this case by Black Belt Barrister who runs a very good youtube. Link at bottom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS5FT-4Kx7E
He finds that rights to assemble and protest are an EC (European Community) conditional right. In other words it can be proscribed by a UK council through by laws. Far far far worse is that SILENT thoughts are also a conditional right and can also be proscribed by local laws. Silent praying is silent thought. In consequence you can be arrested on a criminal charge and a Public Space Personal Order (PSPO) can be made.
In this case the woman - who foolishly admitted she might have been praying - is banned from not only praying by the abortion clinic but in any public space.
This was not discussed but I think a church would constitute a public space since anyone can go to it an enter it. So in that case the PSPO injuncts her from praying in a church. Even if she goes to a church service where praying commonly happens presumably she can be charged for breaching the PSPO.
Silent Thought crime is alive and well in the UK.
In the case of the catholic priest who was asked by a Catholic patient as to what Catholic dogmas was WTF? How could even a mentally ill patient expect a different answer to what he knew that churches doctrine is. And then attempt to sue.
It beggars the imagination. Not quite as bad as the PSPO but getting close.
Well honestly.. what you put there is not free speech possibly
First example the hospital if its not a public one, then no.. its not free speech as a private place can set its laws as it wish, like to decide maybe not to employ someone that may be speaking against a group of there costumers even if its there belief, anyway he sued them, and the result of that will set what is the UK law about it, not just the action of the place
Second example its nice how they only say "A woman" like she is just some random person doing it, she is an activist to anti-abortion and did it in an area that is consider a type of "safe zone" for anyone that want to go get an abortion that should not be bothered, and she did it twice so both times acting as if "I did nothing wrong" in the type of the "Gocha" stuff, so basiclly she was trolling
If she decide to have pray in a public place out side of the "zone" she will have not been bother, but she put her self inside that area, I don't think it was just an innocent action, even more twice
As much as I know UK is less into Free Speech in the type of the US, but in both cases the Free Speech is only for the government not for private places, and even if you allowed to speak as you like, no one has to listenI am not really trying to take a side here, I am just trying to make this a little more on point of what seem to be missing, at least from my understanding of how that law works and all
Now you've done it, liberals will start saying that freedom of speech means freedom from being charged with a crime but not freedom of consequences because they are the side that uses this to get their way.
If it was reversed and they were all being fired for saying something the right disagreed with they would not be saying this.
The UK and Europe do have it, in regards to you don't get charged with a crime but they silence people by firing them for talking and expressing beliefs and opinions.
The US is getting that way now too, which is exactly how Democrats want it. They want to be able to get people they disagree with fired and have them starve to death, so they essentially kill the right out of existence.
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It is unfortunate that British subjects and i suppose broadly speaking parliamentarians have little to no rights at all.
To defend your rights and uphold any constitution a goverment must have checks and balances. Thus any system which gives the largest minority party compete control of the goverment respects people's rights only by democratic desire.
As today's generation was mostly raised in goverment schools to be fascist we have lost a lot of freedom in such countries.Short of pushing back and teaching theses little fascist the value of liberty they were neglected in school we will all lose a lot more.
Free speech is pretty unique to the United States of America. The power of the press was vital to the revolutionary army with Benjamin Franklin as the owner of "The Pennsylvania Gazette"
Newspaper.Compare that to the UK that has the state run BBC. It being the first TV station in England.
Also what i see above could be the equivalent to trespassing in America no different then whats happening in either or places. In terms of global freedom index nothing is that different.
Only people on the far sides of things tend to have free speech, I still remember the swat police protecting the group of terrorist Muslims from thousands of Brits trying to attack them. After they planned, booked and asked for permission to burn poppies during the 2 minutes silence, on a popular street in London. I was absolutely fuming when I read the paper and I live hours away and it was many weeks after the act. Yet if the same was done but it was the quan that would not be allowed, as it's upsetting the peace.
you know i feel sorry for these people who are pro abortion... it's a big sin. God is always willing to forgive though if you repent. Judgement Day has a date and so until that day comes we can still avail God's mercy but pls don't treat God as dumb because i often hear people be like i just keep sinninh then ask for forgiveness. God isn't dumb
There is no free speech in the UK, that is true.
But least I don't have to get vaccinated to enter the UK as a foreigner.
Get vaccinated (with an experimental corporately concocted poison) dudes!
Canadian here sir. Trust me, if I am saying Britain is fucked, you had best believe it. Fuck King Charles and his dildo kids. My respect died with the Queen and I will pray for her any way I see fit. Your bobbies would get fucking shot over here. Seriously, you folks hetter start fighting, the noose is already around you neck and the whole world is watching your execution.
Not compared to the USA. Under Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1998, “everyone has the right to freedom of expression” in the UK. But the law states that this freedom “may be subject to formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society”.
That's nothing to do with free speech, dummy.
The priest was in a temporary position and should have been more diplomatic in his responses. You cannot stand in Starbucks while suggesting people drink at Costas instead.
As for the woman in the street. She was blocking a private place and told she will be trespassed.
You have free speech there so long as you only say things they approve of.
Anything related to social conservatism is definitely not allowed.Previous incidents like Count Dankula getting fined for a joke have made it clear that UK objectively does not have freedom of speech.
UK censorship is still not as bad as in Russia though where they send you to the West front.
Aren't these the same clowns that still had a monarchy? Am I supposed to be surprised?
I bet if she was Muslim the police would have run away
No, there is no freedom of speech in the UK. Its the most Liberal country there is. More than USA or Canada. Which means less freedom of speech
I mean she knew what she is doing isn't wanted. It was her second offense. I honestly don't care if she was silently preying, it's still a nuisance and the woman needs to get a damn life.
Nope, only those with a right to keep and bear arms have any rights at all. Otherwise you have permissions from your government that they will feel free to revoke when it's convenient for them.
It does appear that the whole world has lost it;s marbles.
I live here and unless you are incredibly woke no you don't
Dont know much about that bust so far as I know it seems pretty similar to how things are here. I'd guess it isn't taken as far.
I have a feeling she wasn't just praying there and more likely harassing people who were going in or coming out of the place.
It has some freedom of speech. It allows its citizens to freely say what the government permits them to say.
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