Did you realize that our Governor does things to take care of people?

[msc545]

Gov. Gavin Newsom on Sunday proposed a 2024 ballot initiative that would push billions of dollars toward the creation of "campus-style" facilities with beds and treatment for the homeless population. The governor's aides billed the idea as an opportunity to turn the page of decades of failure to reduce homelessness. "It's unacceptable what we're dealing with, at scale now, in the state of California," Newsom said. "We have to address and come to grips with the reality of mental health in this state and our nation."

Gov. Gavin Newsom announced a deal with the generic drugmaker Civica to produce insulin under the state's own label with plans to make a typical dose available for $30. The cost has normally been around $300. The price cut is expected to save patients who pay out of pocket between $2,000 and $4,000 a year, Newsom said: "This is a big deal, folks. This is not happening anywhere else in the United States."

He may be sort of a jerk, but never forget that he is OUR jerk, and a hell of a lot better than the fascist authoritarian racists like Abbot and DeSantis running red states.

[lightbulb27]

I'm fine with a lot of it, I see the same in nyc. probably be much much worse without it.

But what I haven't heard is the training and condition of the people... maybe that is the "mental health". I don't buy the system being trained provides mental health. As well, people are difficult to manage... they can get stuck in systems... if stuff is free, why work... why make the effort. for some personalities, it's a trap. some people will only find their way after they hit bottom.

The conditioning occurs staring in school... that's where I see it failing. My wife teachers 1st graders but hands are tied in so many cases. The teachers care but the system won't allow it, so they get frustrated. Put a lot more energy into teh school systems forcused on what is best for the student to turn them into a good person.

Thus, these facilities need a lot of workers, and in my view, religious leaders, to care for and lead the flocks of people. But that can't happen due to separation of church and state.

The drug price issue is a good one... he should run the companies out of business...

governor could cut regulations but he won't. the govt is a reason the costs are so high.

It's not easy, if these issues were easy, they'd be solved.

[msc545]

Sorry, but I don't think you understand the extent of mental illnesses among the homeless or the treatment-refractory nature of it. We don't treat these problems with "training and conditioning".

[lightbulb27]

I'm thinking about... if we give you free housing, here's the rules, how to care for and clean the place. do work, etc.. ontop of that, they receive mental help and job training. In some cases, may be impossible.
Some people work but cannot afford... that's an affordable housing issue.

Mental health... they use meds, right? Evaluate, diagnose, medicate... monitor... maybe. That was the case with the first guy that Rittenhouse shot... drugged.. and released. Maybe there's therapy. Is that right? Or is there a lot more emotional healing going on I don't know about?
I can only imagine how hard it is to deal with people that are in effect, brain damaged from emotional traumas and drugs... and maybe some do need medicated, but that seems an impossible task to balance a complex system.

In your honest view... do the treatments actually work?

[msc545]

We generally use a combination of medication and CBT therapy. Neither of these works all the time and meds have side effects that cause people to not take them. CBT therapy is very hard to learn to do properly and not all therapists do it well.

Bottom line - there are a lot of illnesses we cannot effectively treat, and not enough trained people to do it well.

We do what we can - and it is *exhausting*.

[lightbulb27]

I believe it.
Are Christian Counselors available, permitted or is that not really recognized or valid within government setting?

[Leopard23]

@lightbulb27 real question that should be asked is what is happening in California that they've so much homeless meanwhile they losing hundreds of thousands of Californians who are fleeing to neighboring states

[lightbulb27]

@Leopard23 That's a good question. Same is happening in NYC... smart successful business people are leaving. The only offset I see is illegal immigrants being brought in.

[msc545]

We don't mix medicine and religion.

[lightbulb27]

It makes perfect sense why this is screwed up... do you see that?
Have you had any explosure to religion such that it was in a positive light?
I ask you this... where is the topic of the human heart/love/security/connected ness... in psychiatry?

I'm not trained light you but exposed to it and although science can be good, it is excluding the human being. That's the problem. These are people whom are emotionally damaged, the solution is finding that damage, and correcting it. OK... some are physically damaged brains due to chemicals... but many are hurt emotionally. The solution to that isn't to mask the emotional pain with a medication chemical, but to heal from the inside.
It's the same scerwed up model as MD's... diagnose issue, determine drug to block that. SOLVED! NOT!
It's screwed up. Religion at least attempts to address the "heart" issue.
Think of it this way... a guy is on the beach and all is normal. All sudden, a HOT CHICK walks in front of him... his glands shoot out chemicals that say "that is something I want". The body is holding chemicals and managing chemicals until the "right" thing occurs, then it releases them.
Heal the heart/mind of emotional oppressive negative patterns, mind/body makes "good" chemicals, balance is restored.
Not saying 100% solution either... requires person to have awareness.
People don't want a lab coat, they want to be loved, secure, connected, forgived, etc.. Consider such powerful treatments in your therapy, if not already, likely see some different results... hopefully better.

[msc545]

We don't mix medicine and religion - it is really unethical.

[Leopard23]

Why is there so many homeless in California?

Why are working and middle class people fleeing to states like Arizona and Texas?

Successive bad liberal policies create the problem and all he offers is a band aid that at the end of the day will just provide homeless people an address that allows them to vote for him. Rich White liberals tossing the poor disenfranchised scraps from their banquet table.

If you want to end the homeless problem and medicine problem then male it possible to live and work in California without ending up homeless. It's just more Champagne Socialism that goes nowhere.

[msc545]

This is the usual right-wing "whatabout" response and it is BS.

[Leopard23]

You mean point out some cold hard facts. Successive bad liberal governance in California puts people on the streets and their solution is welfare scraps of more crime ridden poverty ghettos.

[msc545]

Really? You don't even live in CA yet you are an expert on all this? Bullshit!

[msc545]

People come to California because it is supposedly warm and there are a lot of jobs (bad ones). It has nothing to do with what the people who live here do - we don't cause the problem.

[Leopard23]

People are fleeing California for texas, nevada, arizona

[msc545]

evidence?

[msc545]

You keep saying things and posting stuff without attribution. Not very believable.

[Leopard23]

A basic Google search will confirm all this.

[msc545]

I can confirm almost anything with your basic Google search. It just depends on what you search and how you search it. Either attribute this or take it down one of the other.

[Leopard23]

Wikipedia

[msc545]

Also, it is customary to include a link. You failed to do even that.

[msc545]

ANYONE can edit anything in Wikipedia. Try again.

[Leopard23]

OK try editing wikipedia and get back to me.

[msc545]

Apparently, you are not allowed to edit - I am not surprised by that.

[msc545]

Stop posting shit like this without attribution.

[Leopard23]

www.latimes.com/.../california-exodus-continues-l-a-san-francisco-lead-the-way
www.google.com/.../%3famp=1

[msc545]

ok better.

[msc545]

For what it's worth, everyone I know that has left CA has done so because they cannot stand progressive politics or think that things here are too "expensive".

When they arrive in their shitty red state of choice, they start complaining about insane property taxes (no more 1%) and racist crazy politicians.

[Leopard23]

The California exodus is real. The whole state has become a paradise for the wealthy elite and a place where average people just can't afford to work and live, the solution is more ilegal migrants.
https://youtu.be/1iYp0X3wXdc

[msc545]

You are simply parroting right-wing bullshit. It's either "wealthy-elite" or homeless according to you. What the fuck do you think I am?

[goaded]

Minnesota's doing good things, too.

"As Gov. Tim Walz prepares to sign the bill for universal school lunch and breakfast in Minnesota schools, what is missing from much of the public discussion is awareness of the peer-reviewed research that demonstrates beneficial impacts on students, especially those not previously eligible for the means-tested federal meals program offered to students from low-income households."

https://www.minnpost.com/community-voices/2023/03/why-should-minnesota-taxpayers-pay-for-free-school-meals-for-students-who-were-not-eligible-for-the-federally-funded-school-lunch-program/

[msc545]

Good!

[exitseven]

Yes and he is one pen stroke away from signing into law that every person of color gets 5 million dollars.

[msc545]

You must be joking - that is obviously not going to happen at all as you well know.

[exitseven]

They are all doubling down at the idea of this. It will breeze through the legislature and Gavin will have to sign it into law. Good luck with the new taxes.

[msc545]

I feel sad that you have lost your mind. Are you sure enough to make a bet with me?

[exitseven]

I am telling you. This is gonna pass. It won't be the only state that does this. The crazy state I live in hired somebody to be a Minister of Reparations. This person happens to be black so I consider it a conflict of interest

[msc545]

Bet me if you are so sure about Newsom.

[exitseven]

@msc545. I have already seen so many things in this country that I thought would never happen that nothing surprises me anymoe.

[msc545]

Bet me. 10 bucks say he will not sign that thing OR he will never get it (more likely).

[exitseven]

I will buy your house from you if he signs it

[msc545]

It is not for sale. 10 buck bet is on the table.

[exitseven]

I bet it will be once this thing passes. You will be lucky to get ten bucks for it after that

[msc545]

This is just a bet between us - not for the house or anything else. Just a bet between friends, ok?

[exitseven]

We are friends I suppose.

[Leopard23]

@exitseven nobody is asking why California has so much homelessness, like what is Governor Newsom doing to people in California that they've nowhere to live?

[msc545]

Okay sure. We're going to socialize all the apartment buildings in apartment associations and make sure that every homeless person has an apartment. What you are seeing. Here are the results of capitalism and the result of greedy landlords and unsympathetic and unreasonable employment practices. What the hell would you have us do? There are a lot of homeless people in California because there are a lot of poor people in California. If you had these same people in your crappy little red state, you would have an excess of homeless people as well. Homelessness in our state is not the results of democratic politics because we've had the same number of homeless people when we had Republican governors. Your constant harping on the notion that politics and homelessness are somehow related to each other, but only when Democrats are in power is a cheap trick trying to convince people the Democratic governance leads to homelessness. It doesn't.

[msc545]

What leads to homelessness are shitty economic policies and biased unfair legal actions. Turns out homeless people get short shrift from conservatives generally who would rather spend money on police and rich property owners than on people who actually really need the help. The most defining characteristic of conservatives is a complete lack of regard and empathy for people who need any assistance at all.

[exitseven]

@msc545 Homelessness is the result of liberal policies. When you pay people to have illegitimate children you breed poverty. do it enough and you have homelessness. Blaming landlords who are just trying to turn a profit after paying all their taxes is not the reason we have homelessness. In the state where I have my vacation home it used to be a very conservative state. In fact the northern part still is. The southern part had many people move in from other places and brought their liberal ideas with them. Liberals got into government and then started the handouts to get minorities to vote for them. The next thing you know Catholic Charities blew into town. The brought with them Somalian immigrants. Now there are whole areas that the cops have given up on. They just tell white people not to go there. The taxes are crazy high and there are homeless encampments all over the place. You can't walk down the street without bumping into a panhandler. You can see the place change before your eyes. Drugs, crime and liberalism, it's like a disease. There used to be a giant Christmas Tree that used to be put up in the town square. Now it is called a "holiday tree". WTF?

[msc545]

Nobody gets paid for having so-called illegitimate children. Children that are born outside a marriage are just as much children and just as much human beings as children that are born with in a marriage. That is an archaic conservative method of discriminating against people. Your bias against anybody who's not white and anybody who is not born in the United States is reprehensible

[exitseven]

When people are on welfare the more kids they have, the more money and benefits they get.
Yes all kids are humans but to encourage bringing children into the world for profit is a perversion of nature

[msc545]

Ok, well - we cannot oppose abortion (an issue on which you and I agree) and then complain because the resulting kids need to be fed. I would rather feed kids than support weapons makers with tax dollars.

[exitseven]

I don't like abortion but recognize it. I just think that if there was a policy change that would cut able bodied people off welfare after a certain time and not make it a lifelong profession humanity would be much better off

[msc545]

A certain fraction of people, especially children, would die of malnutrition or outright starvation. Are you ok with that?

[Snakeyes7]

If Newsom didn't have such terrible economic policies, he wouldn't have to deal with this much homeless, at least not to the extent where cities have patrols that scrape human waste off the streets.

[Anonymous]

Now list the bad things that he's done.

[msc545]

Go right ahead if you wish. Not my job, and I don't take orders from you.

[Opinion Owner]

@gorydetails

Newsome imposed strict Covid mandates, but they didn't apply to him and his corrupt friends.

[msc545]

Evidence?

[Opinion Owner]

Google.

[msc545]

more specific

[front2back]

So how are the homeless people benefiting?