If Manhattan is made up of rich people who have lots of money invested in their homes, why do they vote for Democrats,?

[exitseven]

The failed policies of Democrats have led to spikes in crime and homelessness. Real Estate values will drop as more and more people leave the city, yet they keep re-electing the same people who put them in this jam in the first place

[razelove]

I don't think differences in ideology are so simple. Nor is the nested package in which they're delivered. For cities, a truly liberal approach is necessary, as a conservative approach won't embrace no ideas and methodologies which gives cities a competitive edge. Like the crime in New Orleans is horrendous, East Baton Rouge is about the same, Shreveport follows them, but they're in strategic areas of commerce.

Granted they don't keep up with the times, and the Democrats they elect do not implement truly liberal or new policies that would help those areas, but pieces of popular talking points from popular talking points after the novelty has worn off and they're more detrimental.

The state is conservative, so the damage that can be done is limited, and when crime starts to get outside of those cities, State Troopers and surrounding parishes crack down like a whip with maximum penalties so the problems stay localized.

In that regard, as long as those policies do not become federal, or our taxes rise on a federal or state level to clean up their messes from failed local and state policies, why should we care if someone else succeeds in another ideology or fails? I know that's extremely optimistic as we won't share in successes and will be required to clean up after failures, but it would be nice.

[Jamie05rhs]

Those failed Democrat policies become federal when Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Phoenix decide the outcome of the electoral college.

[razelove]

@Jamie05rhs No way, detroit is an urban legend like rhode island. You hear about them a lot, but how could such strange places be real?

[razelove]

Also sorry for some of the repetitions, I was typing with one hand and they slipped in there :/

[Jamie05rhs]

@razelove Lol.
It's okay, man!

[exitseven]

@Jamie05rhs yes and when the federal government has. to bail out many of these cities that were facing bankruptcy.

[slatyb]

@Jamie05rhs That's how voting works. The real US is New York and Los Angeles and Houston and Chicago and Phoenix where the people are. It's not Little Rock and Bristol and Knoxville and Joplin.

[Jamie05rhs]

@slatyb Actually, that's false. A lot of those cities are filled with a bunch of immigrants. So no, they are not the real U. S.

[razelove]

@Jamie05rhs Many people flock to cities, immigrants and citizens, or their population density wouldn't be so crazy. The biggest problem I see with @slatyb 's statement is discounting the rest of the country because they aren't places with a population density that's through the roof. They just have different focuses, rural areas for food, heavy industry and chemical plants, suburbs for families, cities for commercial, academia, and anything else serving large numbers of people in a relatively small area.

Rural areas may discount cities, but those providing logistics for rural areas will not discount cities as they are a vital link there. Cities may discount rural areas, but the same holds true in reverse concerning logistics.

[Jamie05rhs]

@razelove True. But people in big cities aren't real Americans. Even the ones who were born here. Because they don't even know what America is about. They're just packed in there like sardines, in their urban jungle. A large portion of them have never even been outside of their own neighborhood, let alone outside of the city. They have no idea what is going on in the heart of the country. They know nothing about farming and forests and wildlife. All they know are liquor stores and rats. (Or, for the rich, Starbucks and upscale lounges.).
Oh, and the rich don't even see the rest of the country, either. Even though they have the money and time to do so. Because they go to St. Thomas and Tahiti are the Azores and Bali and Monaco and Dubai. They couldn't care less about America.

[exitseven]

Why are cities like nmNew York, Chicago, LA, SF and Seattle crime ridden and full of homeless encampment. There are issues with car jacking, murder, assaults and even shoplifting. Liberal DAs don't think shoplifting is a crime, it is just reparations, Wahlgreens, CVS and many other retail chains are closing stores in all these cities because the only people that go in are shoplifters.

[razelove]

Well, I truly believe cities need progressive and liberal ideas to thrive rather than conservative ones (I only lived and a city once). On the other hand, you have Democrat leaders using buzzwords and contradictory ideals to get elected, ultimately thriving off the problems they promised to solve. Most Republicans outside the local level aren't much better. The difference would be the direction they promise they'll go in.
If there was such a huge difference, you wouldn't have people like Marjorie Taylor Greene getting elected. I mean, at the core her ideology is that her own party failed to produce results, but aside from attacking other people, she doesn't promote much besides herself. Still, that career is on a steep upwards trajectory.

[Jamie05rhs]

Because Democrats are the party of loose sexual morals. And New York City is a city of narcissists who care about money and power and self-gratification. They do not care about family values. (They have affairs and get divorces all the time.) So that political party fits them perfectly.

[mb120101]

he's talking about homelessness and money , how is family and sexual values relevant. there's gay republicans and divorced people near you too

[Jamie05rhs]

@mb120101 The main theme of the topic was rich people, so that is what I responded to.

[exitseven]

@mb120101 if you were raising a family you would not want to live there.

[slatyb]

Republicans divorce more than Democrats.

[Jamie05rhs]

@slatyb I doubt that.

[Jamie05rhs]

But even so, I wasn't talking about Republicans. I was talking about rich people.

[tesniolite]

three main reasons

1. the demographics there. First off they have more queer people than any other borough (6.7% of the population), queer people tend to vote democrat. And only 47% of the population is white and non-white people tend to be more likely to vote democrat too. AND THEN ALSO with more diversity means the non-diverse people hear other perspectives so they consider those altering ideologies more

2. the rich people may actually be part of the reason they back the democrats - these people are heavily in tech and finance industries, industries which tend to be more supportive of government regulation cause it makes their lives easier, the tech industry more than others especially cause it's made up of more diverse people too! Also a lot of these wealthier people have been through higher education and, unlike many other countries where expensive education doesn't really do a lot when it comes to views, in the US a lot of the time higher education leads to more liberal views - or at least the two are correlated. Also, Manhatten is in a city and cities are often more liberal.

3. Just Manhatten's culture, it's more liberal. These people have been raised in a culture where they find more liberal views more appealing.

[exitseven]

Still, at the end of the day there is more crime and higher taxes. Eventually this will translate to lower property values.

[slatyb]

There is not more crime. There is more crime in southern cities like Memphis and New Orleans.

[Msputiton]

I mean you are only seeing what you want to see. Top 4 worst city crime rates in America go like this

1. detroit top crime in thecountry that is democrat.

2. Monroe, Louisiana which is republican city.

3. memphis Tennessee democrat.

4. Springfield Missouri is republican.

These are based on last presidential elections.

There doesn't seem to be any correlation to which party your city votes for as to crime rate.

They are literally alternating in the top 4 cities.

[exitseven]

The top 4 states that lost population over the last two years are all Democrat. California, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts.

[Msputiton]

Those are most overly crowded cities in this country. That will have major problems that come from an over populated area. Terrible traffic more people living there, than jobs, and even if 1 percent of the population left the number of people would seem huge.

[Msputiton]

The problems are not democratic or republican. It is just aftermath of a pandemic in areas that are so overpopulated it hits these areas hard
And when you look at by population all of them lost less than 1%. Statistics can be twisted to look how anyone wants them to look.

[exitseven]

People are leaving because of high crime and high taxes. I could live in No Carolina for half what I pay here. I imagine it's not perfect but things have just gotten so bad over the last two years I don't see it getting better anytime soon ⁴

[Msputiton]

So i am now assuming that we now must take an exit interview when we move from one state, to another state?
Because how else could they know why someone chose to move. I know when my auntie left ms to live in GA. She was never questioned as to why she left. And the answer was ga had the job she wanted.

[Msputiton]

Why is it we don't go, where does this particular information come from? How did they achieve this information that is usually not common knowledge.

[Msputiton]

And information can be spinned depending on who says it.
"New Yorkers are fleeing the Empire State due to retirement, health, family, lifestyle, a new job, or cost of living, according to United Van Lines."
This moving company put cost of living at the lower part of the reason, and did not put crime as a reason. It felt retirement was top reason, and it makes sense when most retired people pack up and move to Florida

[exitseven]

@msputiton These states have the most taxes and the most crime and homelessness. Every time you hear about somebody getting pushed onto the subway tracks or car jackings or snatch and grabs it is almost always democrat run cities. The DAs decriminalized shoplifting, drug dealing, simple assault to misdemeanors and do away with cash bail so there is no punishment at all. Then everyone worries when the wheels fall off the wagon.

[OlderAndWiser]

Being liberal is very trendy among the pseudo-intelligentsia who live in the inhabited hinterlands beyond the Mason-Dixon Line. It helps them when they look down their snouts at us dumb conservative Southerners.

[loveslongnails]

The short answer is money protects money, no matter which party. Wealthy Dems are just a bit more sympathetic and generous towards the poorer folks, whereas Republicans say " hey, someone has to mop the floors".

"Failed Democratic policies?" Wait, is there such a thing as a Republican policy?
Sorry, but lying, demonizing, attempted election tampering, storming the Capitol, calling everything you don't like "woke", failing to understand the economy and kissing the asses of dictators, and banning Dr. Seuss DOESN'T count as policy.

However, rolling back safety restrictions on railroad, air quality, water quality, signing oil production agreements to DECREASE them and blame it on your opposition, refusing to oust members of your own party who falsified their candidacy applications, appointing MORONS to lead Committees, etc ad nauseum, DOES count as policy.

Exitseven has all the earmarks of a troll for the right wing nut Christians and the CNP, or just the brains of a Trumper. Or maybe both. And no, I still don't like Biden either, but that's irrelevant.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Who knows, Democrats think strangely. They say they are for reparations for black people and slavery but I think they should give Manhattan island back to the Natives as an example first, as a smaller test.

Seems they should be all for that to make things right.

Democrats also like crime and being soft on criminals too, they probably see lower property values as a good thing if they have property taxes that drop.

Democrats vote for anyone with a D by their name, they don't care what they stand for.

[exitseven]

@aerissa_jade. I am just finding it hard to understand. I am watching with horror as the state I live in is sliding further into the abyss. I am really thinking about moving sooner rather than later.

[NaultD]

You should be able to recognize urban areas are very different then rural areas.

If republican run governments standards and statistics happen in 1,000,000+ population area they would have Marshall law. I'm in Alaska (880,000 population) the single most dangerous state to be a woman.

These top ten cities by population are safer for half the population then Alaska state , being New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, and San Jose, Calif. 100s of millions democratic rat holes still safer then the average republican standards. It's embarrassing honestly.

Same can be said with every republican states. Half don't have million people but the people their are more dangerous then the millions in any given city.

[lightbulb27]

many of those people have homes outside the city. the rich ones. they just stay there when they need to. the commercial spaces are very empty, maybe 50%. homes not sure.

quite a few of the nyers I know have moved or are in process of moving out.

why others stay... the love city life, diversity, food, convenience, supposed efficiency. You can walk around and not run into problems and ride the train without issue.

until someone takes ya out. then you are like this.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/29/pbs-reporter-jane-ferguson-punched-in-face-by-stranger-on-nyc-subway/

[Anonymous]

Manhattan real estate never really drops and if it does you buy as much as you can. Manhattan is full of champagne socialists, champagne socialism puts money into the hands of the elites. Between Manhattan and California they support the democrats and are against the electoral college because the popular vote would concentrate all power into the hands of wealthy elites on the east and west coast and the resources the smaller less populous states that are rich in resources and farm land could be better exploited for their benefit.

[NathanDavis]

crisis is mostly for the common people, and not the very rich...

the truly rich people will get their riches back eventually... from the middle class' taxes and consumerism, so... they really don't care either way

rich NY people will vote Democrat... and rich Texas people will vote Republican, business as usual...

[Anonymous]

because they're smart enough to know everything you said is a lie and that red states are crime ridden, impoverished, shit holes.

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem

https://www.salon.com/2023/02/15/like-to-talk-tough-on--but-theyre-the-ones-with-a-real-problem/

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-counties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/

[Adaeva]

You may be assuming that all the voters in Manhattan are wealthy. Most likely, the majority of the voters are not wealthy and since elections are determined by majority vote; not the wealth of the voters, the wealthy may not be voting for and electing the same people.

[Anonymous]

Yet the urban blue areas are usually the economic engines of the state which subsidize the rural conservative areas. Republican economic policies are a failure. On the federal level, the majority of states that generate more federal revenue than they consume are blue states and they subsidize the poor red states. Rich people tend to stick to affluent urban areas. They don’t want to live in a poor subsidized wasteland.

[exitseven]

When you have policies that purposely cause crime to increase, encourage more welfare and social programs, create an environment that promotes a failed school system and drive stores out of town I just don't see the upside to more crime and higher taxes.

[Opinion Owner]

What you say isn’t really accurate. Rarely do the major cities have the highest crime rates in the state. Usually smaller towns have that dubious distinction. Conservatives like to focus on the overall number rather than the rate they’re committed as a means of misdirection. Rural people are more likely to live in poverty and receive public assistance than city people. Might want to clean up your own backyard before railing against social programs. As for a supposedly failed school system, rural and city kids test about the same level by graduation. Without the economies in the liberal blue areas, this country would be in bad shape. Republicans policies just do not bring prosperity. They concentrate wealth at the top.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Anonymous You're wrong about the schools. Urban schools are usually much worse than rural schools.

[exitseven]

You are wrong about the schools. In the city where I live there are 2 dozen high schools. The valedictorian from each school were given full scholarships to colleges they wanted to attend.. 5 years later not a single one ifvthem was able to graduate. Most cited that they were behind the other students. In the town that I moved to 97% of students go on to college with a 90% graduation rate.

[Opinion Owner]

Yet some studies show rural schools behind their urban counterparts due to poverty and fewer resources due to lesser property tax revenue. Curious.

[gorydetails]

If you could afford to buy a lot of property wouldn't you look to have the prices as low as possible? Besides, their children will always go to the best private schools, they will always be safe in their homes, and with an influx of illegal immigrants, they can pay slave wages.

[exitseven]

My uncle was in the real estate business in New York city. He had mostly apartment buildings. A lot of stuff he owned was in the Bronx. When there was rent control, eventually he could not get enough in rent to cover the property taxes. He could not find anyone who would buy a building under those circumstances and he did not want to hire an arsonist to burn them down although some landlords did just that. He ended up just walking away from the property and let the city take them over.

[gorydetails]

Never underestimate a democrat's ability to ruin things.

[Mangospacho]

Rich people don’t vote for republicans anymore. Democrats don’t actually raise taxes on the wealthy like everyone assumes. Some of the wealthiest people live in New Jersey and New York and they keep getting wealthier and they are solid blue states. The rich people in Manhattan are unaffected by swings in real estate value. If their apartment drops from $175M to $150M, big deal, they’re still worth $500M.

[buckaroobradyjr]

The failed policies of Republicans have heightened the cataclysmic gap between the overlords and the 99.9999999% , exitseven. Most Manhattanites, rich and poor, realize this and vote Democrat, though they've also become the party of the rich, wich a few crumbs thrown to everyone else.

[mb120101]

Because not all rich people are Republicans, you're basing this question on an opinion

[exitseven]

I just don't understand why people would vote for more crime, higher taxes and lower property values.

[Avicenna]

In NYC, to get favorable regulatory and legal treatment, you have to give money and support to the local CCP, aka the Democrats. Just ask former President Trump.

[cloud9vortex1234]

I guess Democrats Principles appeal to them to point to where its not just about their money. If you really believe in something then your willing to sacrifice some money for sake of principles.

[richardcory]

They may benefit from republican economic policies, but prefer democratic social policies.

[FeelingGroovy]

They vote Democrat because they hate cops and love criminals.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Because people typically don't vote on one topic only.

People put other priorities that they vaule more especially during a specific election year.

[LiamJHayden]

Lots of rich people vote D. It's easy when you have gated communities and armed protection to be against guns and borders

[NostalgiaSenpi]

All political parties are just shell games.

[msc545]

Not everyone shares your politics or your theories of causation.

[Cubus]

It's like with food. Appetite grows with eating.

[slatyb]

Because they care about good government.

[exitseven]

@slatyb Yeah, they have a great government. New York is literally like the wild west.

[slatyb]

NYC isn't even in the top 20 for crime. For that, go to New Orleans and Memphis and St. Louis. The Republicans in charge of Mississippi can't even keep the water on in their capital city.

[TenderFantasy]

Rich but dumb?