Is the Border Crisis real or just a sideshow from our real problems?

[OddBeMe]

I’m not saying there’s no influx. Actually I’d say the real crisis is global warming and these immigrants are the refugees from it.

Yes there is a southern border crisis

There’s an issue down there, but it’s not a crisis.

Eieio.

[Aerissa_Jade]

The best people to ask are those who live in the border states, near the border.

It is more than just a crisis, it is a invasion, massive increase in crime, due to identity theft for those to work, government tax dollars being spent on illegals.

When there is policies and laws in place that prevent asking someone their legal status, that right there tells you that it is a crisis.

Trump was right trying to get citizenship status on the census, because illegals should not be here and should not be considered when considering the total number of representatives for a state because those people should not be voting either.

Some will say, no tax dollars are spent on illegals but when a school says they can't ask if a child is a illegal and must educate them no matter what. Who is paying for that? Tax payers of course.

Far as I am concerned, no child should be able to go to school unless they are proven to be a citizen. Any illegal who breaks a law should never be granted citizenship under any circumstances, this includes working any kind of job, under the table or using stolen identity.

Illegals are stealing jobs, thus making it harder for citizens to get jobs. They also drive wages down, when businesses pay less than minimum wage to illegals, now why should those businesses up their pay to get better talent and lure in more workers?

I don't say this lightly as I have many relatives who are illegals and I know exactly how they are mooching off the system and what they do to hurt others.

There is also more human trafficking, illegal drugs and illegal guns all that flow across the border, both directions.

A safe and secure border would cut down on crime dramatically. Then letting businesses sponsor workers from other countries that can potentially eventually become citizens is the best way to do it.

Anyone who complains about low wages and supports illegal immigration is their own worse enemy.

[OddBeMe]

Isn’t that a good thing?

[Mary4567]

50 immigrants was a crisis for Martha's Vineyard.

[OddBeMe]

@Mary4567 no actually they handled it fine. It was just a media frenzy.

[Mary4567]

If that's what you need to believe. lol

[Aerissa_Jade]

No it is not a good thing to have citizens who can't get jobs while illegals steal them and peoples identity, that means citizens become homeless and starve.

The crime that goes along with all this is not a good thing either.

[exitseven]

@OddBeMe Yeah they handled it fine alright. They had the National Guard come and round them all up and put them on the freight boat like they were cattle for the mainland where they became somebody else's problem,

[OddBeMe]

@Aerissa_Jade if citizens can’t compete with illegals for jobs they should be ones we kick out of the country.

[exitseven]

@OddBeMe so ot is okay to pay people below minimum wage because they know they cannot complain and besides they get all kinds of freebees from the taxpayers. I suppose you would take a job for 5 bucks an hour just to compete with an illegal alien?

[OddBeMe]

@exitseven you pay what the job is gonna cost, right? Or are we talking about minimum wages?

[OddBeMe]

Oops you fcks stepped in it. Sorry couldn’t my mouth shut…

[Aerissa_Jade]

@OddBeMe Where should we kick legal citizens out to? Why should we kick them out when they want to be paid at least minimum wage but companies are hiring illegals for less than minimum wage?

[OddBeMe]

No I was kidding we should keep them all. But do you see the hypocrisy in your logic?

[OddBeMe]

@Aerissa_Jade
Hypocrit? Right?

[exitseven]

@OddBeMe A 28 year old mother of two was killed in a car wreck where a pickup truck rear ended her and drove her ff the road. The truck left the scene of the accident. Yesterday the cops found this guy. Would you care to guess when his immigration status was?

[Aerissa_Jade]

Nope, illegals shouldn't get any rights in the US. They shouldn't be even offered Miranda rights, should be treated as illegal foreign invaders that they are.

What would the US do if Soldiers came across the border? Welcome them and give them amnesty?

Illegals should ALL BE treated exactly the same.

Those that steal a job should be charged for identity theft and given free room and food for at least two decades, minimum sentence.

Hey they want free stuff after all... lets give it to them.

It's very easy to identify black and white, legal status and not. One means they get all the perks and privilege's the other means they should be treated worse than dog shit, until they get legal status.

Nothing hypocrital about that at all. Come here legally or be treated like dog shit.

[exitseven]

Democrats keep saying that illegals do not get welfare benefits.. yet thousands are pouring into new York city and Mayor Adam's complain it costs 2 million dollars a day to support them

[OddBeMe]

Illegals have every rights in America as citizens should.

[connemara_crocodile]

I was going to put an opinion on this post, but I can't add anything more than this 👏👏

[exitseven]

@OddBeMe. Illega aliens are ILLEGAL. Calling them undocumented citizens does not change a thing. They never should have been allowed in the country in the first place and need to b be rounded up and sent back. Just like the citizens of Martha's Vineyard did.

[Quackthulu2]

It’s an issue, sure. But it isn’t a new one. And it is FAR from the most important one.

[misogynistic_pig]

The border crisis refers to the situation on the border between the United States and Mejico, where a significant increase in the number of migrants arriving at the border seeking asylum has been reported.

The situation is real and has been a topic of discussion in American politics and in the media.

The border crisis has had an impact on politics and society in general, including issues such as immigration, national security, human rights, the economy, and public health.

It is a complex issue that involves multiple factors, such as poverty, violence, and political instability in the migrants' countries of origin, as well as the immigration policy of the United States government.

However, some people may argue that the border crisis is just a sideshow to the real problems facing the country.

These issues may include economic inequality, climate change, political corruption, and other major issues.

Although these issues are important, it is important to keep in mind that the border crisis is also a real problem that has a significant impact on the lives of many people.

[Anonymous]

it's a boogyman to energize and gin up fear among the MAGAots.

[OddBeMe]

We could use some good libtards on this site. As you can see we’re outnumbered. Lol

[msc545]

It really is a boogie man for conservatives. Conservatives keep referring to the wall as if it were useful. The truth of the matter is that the wall is defective as hell and was a major rip-off by the people that built it. When I say it's defective. What I am referring to is the fact that people on the other side of the wall cut through it with simple hand tools all the time. This is a wall that cost millions and millions of taxpayer dollars to satisfy the political aspirations and crude political ruminations the white trash. In 20 years from now, what's left of that wall will have disappeared because it can't even stand up to the test of a little bit of time.

[joesheks]

@msc545 it’s funny your talking derisively about white trash, but nothing about black or Hispanic trash. I think you should go live in a nonwhite country so you won’t have to deal with white people. People like you are so ignorant of the truth//. What we need is a wall and a policy of shooting anyone who enters illegally or circumvents the wall

[msc545]

@joesheks luckily for us all, you are not in charge.

[joesheks]

@mec545 and yet in a few years when we are just another overcrowded miserable third world cesspool with no whites, people like you can feel proud that we repeated history yet again

[OddBeMe]

@joesheks or when the next middle class are Hispanic families holding up our economy.

[msc545]

I am doing my best!

[msc545]

@joesheks What you need is a fucking brain to replace the shit you have now.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 is this Joel too?

[msc545]

Well - yes and no: It is *A* Joel, but it is not THE Joel.

Again, this one is far too stupid to be THE Joel.

I trust this makes sense?

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 somehow it does. I can’t explain it.

[findacure4wokeness]

@msc545 If we are white trash why is POC doing everything they can to live with us? Our haters can never just fuck off and leave us alone.

[Friendlybro79]

@findacure4wokeness because of our laws because their countries are not always safe or prosperous... because they want to work...

[msc545]

@findacure4wokeness you people seem to have stolen all the money.

[findacure4wokeness]

@msc545 It might seem like that to you but it really comes down to being able to solve problems and your people are failing to do just that. Nobody is taking anything from you if anything your taking from us in the form of charity and foreign aid. White people feel sorry for you but your people have a tendency to bite the hand that feeds. Your resentment will drag us whites down with you and that's why I'm a Nationalist. We should be able to regulate the help we give to others as to not suffer our selves.

[msc545]

@findacure4wokeness If you actually gave any fucking help to anyone but yourselves it might be different - but you don't and therefore it isn't. CXharity is voluntary and you people only do it for the tax deductions, and the foreign aid materials are produced by right-wing corporations.

Cry me a fucking river as to rough you selfish, racist greedy assholes have it.

[findacure4wokeness]

@msc545 Who do you think drafted those tax exemptions? Every white country is a Aid giver and none are aid receivers. We don't owe you shit anyway. Your the one crying like a spoiled little child with your hand out. Your rich enough to own a device to shit post with.

[msc545]

@findacure4wokeness Right, I am a lot smarter and richer than you are, which means I don't have to put up with your bullshit and lies, asshole.

[findacure4wokeness]

@msc545 Will you giving any of your money to charity then or are you going to be one of those rich greedy assholes that you hate so much? Why should we want a white hating pieces of crap like you and your kind around us? Why would you assholes want to be around us?

[WhiteSteve]

This is about as well-explained as I’ve seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/jv6QtJ5qEmw

[OddBeMe]

They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[abc3643]

Both really.

The border crisis is easily fixable is politicians wanted to fix it.

The real problems are much more difficult to fix but don't buy any politicians political points for fixing them because pretty much 80% of thinking voting adults agree on those problems... just not having the willpower to do something about them.

[OddBeMe]

They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[PraviteliNahuiValite]

Ooh, honey, you want to talk about a border crisis? Let me tell you, it's hotter than the fiery depths of hell down there. And I'm not just talking about the temperature, if you know what I mean. Those immigrants crossing over are just looking for a little relief from the scorching heat, and who could blame them? But don't get me started on global warming. It's like Mother Nature is getting horny and taking out her frustrations on us. These immigrants are like her little refugees, seeking asylum in the land of the free and the home of the brave. But is it just a sideshow from our real problems? Who cares, as long as we get to see some sweaty, shirtless, horny border patrol agents flexing their muscles while they detain some hot immigrants. It's like a sexy, dangerous game of cat and mouse. So let's just sit back, grab some popcorn, and enjoy the show.

[OddBeMe]

They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[lightbulb27]

It was a crisis when AOC went to visit to approve the 5 billion... all a game to get money, but is needed.

I think you are right that the border isn't the issue so much as poverty and crime and possibly corruption in south america. I could as well point the finger back to the US govt and Fed for inflation that crushes other countries.

yes, when people risk their lives to get here, there's a problem.

It is a good idea to ideate the problem and then find solutions. The current govt had the idea... to fix this at the source, or so they say, but they gave up and frankly, don't have the skills.

add all of that up.. yes we have a border issue and have for a long time.

I said it before... buy up most of it or else. China is gonna take control of some of those countries, that's a problem.

[OddBeMe]

They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[lightbulb27]

agree most or many want that, I see them. but some... who knows? are they gang members, pakistani terrorists? do we just let anyone flood in the country illegally (unlike when the statue of liberty was in effect back in the 1900's and we wanted to populate the country with willing people that would fight wars... but was done by legal documentation.
the problem is illegal, economy... what to do with the people, and the immigration system is slow and limits # of poor. So they rush in, get care that many people born here cannot get (housing in hotels), free medical, food, etc.. some don't and suffer.
If don't know who the people are, what risks are we taking, how are they building our country. Goin gto hae to convert them to citizens,

[OddBeMe]

It’s the difficulty of change.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

It's a real crisis. What people like you don't understand by illegal immigration is that its encouraging more illegal migration from not just the border country but other countries as well.

Illegal migration often brings illegal guns and drugs into the streets.

People who the government doesn't know their real name, criminal record and for what true purposes they are in a foreign country.

Illegal migrants need housing, education, health care (which cost lots of money) and jobs which often times they work very cheap and hurts natives who don't work for such low wages, thus leaving them unemployed.

Lastly, if the government neglects to enforce immigration laws, then why enforce other laws?

There's no point and that's how a country over time turns into disorder and corruption runs wild in government and government officials just do whatever is convenient and not lawful.

[OddBeMe]

Okay, let’s say all borders are open and people flock in. Labor jobs get sucked up. But that just means a better economy because more money is being passed around (ie buying beer). No govt handouts are being used since they aren’t illegal.

And the stats say they’re the most law abiding, ironic since they’re illegal. But makes sense…because they’re illegal.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You clearly aren't bright.

[Mary4567]

Our border patrol has apprehended illegals from over 100 countries. Rapists, murderers, drug dealers and even terrorists. Once a terrorist cell fires off a few dirty bombs in DC, the border will be sealed.

[OddBeMe]

@Mary4567 please provide evidence that illegals are more criminal that citizens. Actually you fine they are more productive than citizens like you living off welfare.

[OddBeMe]

They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[Friendlybro79]

We never ask why things happen only what is happening. This is definitely a crisis for the people trying to flee their country when they feel their family's lives are at stake.

Also there is some truth in different arguments like yes some people are criminals but not all. There is also evidence that illegal immigrants help our economy to a degree depending on how the approach is to the economic side.

Yes there is a problem when human beings need help and seek asylum because you would absolutely do the same thing if roles were reversed but there also needs to be reform to how the entire border and immigration is approached.

[OddBeMe]

They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[jshm2]

There isn't really a crisis now. You've been in "crisis" since White people starting arriving in boats and brought their slaves with them, from Europe.

[OddBeMe]

That was a busy day for us….

[joesheks]

@jshm2 white peoples transformed this from a Stone Age culture to a superpower. And our new immigrants have transformed Southern California and Texas into Mexico

[OddBeMe]

@joesheks by genociding the ones here first.

[msc545]

@joesheks do you seriously think the US is a "superpower"? Are you fucking kidding me?

[joesheks]

@msc545 don’t tell me you’re one of the 3rd worlders with the flags of their s—hole homelands hanging in their cars

[msc545]

@joesheks Are you able to read?

[joesheks]

@msc545 are you able to think?

[msc545]

@joesheks If you can read - read the question I asked, and spare me the juvenile insults.

[joesheks]

@@msc545 I’m sorry — when you asked if this US is a superpower I assumed you were being facetious— yes, the US is a superpower for good or bad. I think the ability to blow nearly every other country off the map qualifies as a superpower — from a geopolitical military standpoint

[msc545]

Thank you. That is a typical conservative response. After all, we all know that the ability to kill people and the willingness to do so is a distinct conservative trait. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[joesheks]

@msc545 actually that is incorrect — liberals love to start foreign wars, kill the unborn and rip families apart resulting in suicides, homicides and the rest. Removing God and spirituality from public discourse has been a liberal nightmare.

But the word power denotes force. Joe Biden is a very weak person but he is powerful as the head of the US government.

Is the US a moral leader or an example to others? Certainly not. A superpower? That would be an absolute yes, and rogue nations like China are or will be superpowers shortly.

I have nothing yo be ashamed about. Unlike the rest of the lemmings, I didn’t support invasions in the Middle East, covering Israel’s ass despite that nation’s atrocities or forcing people to be injected with an untested vaccine which resulting in untimely deaths.

[chrissykerdock]

wow what a disillusioned person... a lot of the responders gave great answers... why there shouldn't be 4 million illegals and what it does to a nations economy... don't worry about global warming because it's been a worry since jesus christ roamed the earth and it will continue regardless... there's so many problems by not protecting the border it's unreal... including death to americans you may have heard of feytanyl to name one thing... read the other comments they're very good.

[OddBeMe]

I’m sorry ma’am this is the dumbest post here even with all the other racists.

Fristly, global warning is happening has has exponentially multiplied after the many industrial revolutions.

Second, why should a piece of paper decide whether a child should have a chance in a first world country or a second world country?

[joesheks]

@OddBeMe why should the posterity of the people who built this nation be forced to support the posterity of those who can barely put a banana republic together?

[OddBeMe]

@joesheks They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[Friendlybro79]

@chrissykerdock Fentanyl is coming into this country mainly from US citizens around 86%. You're being fed lies. It is a pdf that you need to download to anyone who would like to shed light on people that don't know what's really going on

Here's the official doc from our government.
Quick Facts on Fentanyl Trafficking Offenses www.ussc.gov/.../Fentanyl_FY21.pdf

This is a report that shows the stats also.
www.cato.org/.../fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers

Open borders you say? Watch a conversation with a congressman asking actual border agents if the border is open

https://youtu.be/0YCr1MdZdWk

Now if you're going to be hell bent that you don't need to watch or read these things and have your beliefs be proven otherwise then stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

[joesheks]

@Friendlybro79 I would definitely be interested in the ethnicity of all these Americans trafficking fentanyl. Of course, when drafting a report and trying to diffuse responsibility, we’ll leave out this Hispanic origin of these “Americans.”

Americas borders have been open for a long time. In 1960, the nations was 90% white. In 1910, it was 89% white, so there was little change. Now it is 60%. How did this happen? Reagan’s amnesty, anchor babies and border jumpers. Ans yes, some came in legally.

Perhaps if your house gets broken in tonight, we’ll tell you your house is secure and the window you left open doesn’t matter because you locked your other 10 windows and you’re front door.

The CATO institute regularly advocates for open borders as does the political establishment. Their reports will always indicate everything is fine and America going from a white nation of European ancestry to one full of third worlders is no big deal because that serves the elite class.

And when the middle class is eliminated and nearly everyone is in the servant class, idiots will shake their heads and not understand how this happened.

Not everyone can live in a white nation - even though nearly everyone wants to.

[joesheks]

@Friendlybro79 I Standard correct, sorry, your off file did list ethnicity. whites are 60% of the populations BUT 80% of the fentanyl traffickers are not white. Yeah, thank you for this file as it really proves the point but Republicans will be too cowardly to just come out and state facts.

Imagine when Hispanics are 50% of the population how much more fentanyl we’ll have — but we can still say they were “US citizens” which obfuscates the point

[Friendlybro79]

@joesheks we didn't build this nation. A bunch of immigrants did before us.

[Friendlybro79]

@joesheks The cato report reflects what the us gov found to be true. I know it's tough to understand when you're a fearful racist but Americans are the problem.

Legal American citizens. Make some friends with people that aren't white and you'll realize they're people too.

If you're scared of crime are you concerned about the legal American white citizens that account for 75.2% white collar crimes? Or is stealing billions to trillions a year from other white people fine because they're white?

The reports I shared explain illegals aren't the issue. Legal American citizens are. The borders aren't open suggesting zero security as the GOP states it is. The same rules are in effect since trump was in office and the border patrol agents in the video state they are protecting the border just like they always have.

Make it about race if you want. White people commit crimes too and the majority of whites commit all the white collar crime. Your problem is that you want some people to be worse than others so you can say get out. You're a racist and the worst part is that you fail to call out most crimes are committed by men period. Maybe we should get rid of men and put them all on an island so the rest of the women can be safe.

All people commit crimes. White people def get away with them more. Look up white collar crimes... most aren't even reported lol. So give white people all the power and they'll steal all your money legally, no wage growth in corporations run by white people, or illegally through white collar crimes.

Either way we have a human crime problem regardless of race because unfortunately bad people come in all shades.

[Friendlybro79]

*The majority of whites commit white collar crimes not all

[OddBeMe]

@Friendlybro79 illegal immigrants on eggshells will probably not want to rattle the cage.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Yes the border crisis is real. We need to stop illegal immigration, and we need to stop treating illegal immigrants that are already here better than people that immigrated here legally, poor people that were born here, and people with mental illnesses.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah because those are citizens. Immigrants make up the difference in quality of our economy.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Illegal immigration needs to be stopped. It's not right they get preferred treatment and cut the line over immigrants that came here via legal immigration, along with the other groups of citizens I mentioned.

[msc545]

People that think there's a border crisis haven't actually looked at the border. I'm not all that far from it and I've looked at it many many times. Including lately. There is no crisis, there's just a few people there.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah it’s constant flow. But that means a good economy,

[msc545]

Yes exactly

[exitseven]

Yes a constant flow of poverty. The world is sinking and America is the lifeboat. Like all lifeboats, if it gets overloaded, it will sink and then everyone drowns.

[msc545]

I'm not sure what you mean by a constant flow of poverty. If you were referring to the effects of capitalism, then yes you are correct. If you believe that all the people coming across the border are impoverished, you are not correct.

[msc545]

Many people live in Mexico and work in the US, including a lot of Americans because the price of housing in Mexico is far more affordable than it is in the US thanks to capitalism.

[exitseven]

You live in California. Most of the illegal entry is in ElPaso and other places in Texas. The illegal alien counts are a accurate as they can be made. We are at 6 million plus. This does not count the gotaways.. The fact that Biden tried to stonewall this data tells it all

[OddBeMe]

@exitseven then we should help those other countries (ie lifeboats) before they sink, right?

[msc545]

@exitseven Take a look at the skid rows in every major city in the US - do you think that is not poverty?

[msc545]

@exitseven So since you are wrong about California, did you just decide to switch to Texas? I think not.

[exitseven]

If they were not indigent they would not be sneaking across the border and they would not have to be supported by American taxpayers

[msc545]

@exitseven Untrue. Many of them are victims of crime and racism.

[OddBeMe]

They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[msc545]

@exitseven If they were indigent, US policies and sanctions would have made them that way.

[exitseven]

It is one of the most serious issues in America today. The government has to support over 6 million people from over 200 countries and that is just the ones we know about. It could be twice as much. Billions are spent on people who committed a crime to be here while the elderly and veterans are ignored. Before this crisis I was not even aware that there was more than 200 different countries on the planet.

[msc545]

Evidence?

[exitseven]

@msc545 The US Border Patrol has to submit a yearly report and one of the things they have to report on is the number of encounters with illegal aliens, These figures are on the conservative side but still came up with over 5 million encounters between 2021and 2023, These figures must be true because the Biden administration tried to stonewall them,. Fortunately by law they must be made public so the real news was able to get them..

[msc545]

"Encounters" means what exactly?

[zagor]

The current immigration situation has little or nothing to do with global warming, though that may change in the future. We just can't accept everyone who wants to come here. The current administration pays too much mind to "activists" who don't believe in borders.

[OddBeMe]

But we can accept them. And of course it has to do with global warming which they’ll help solve.

[zagor]

Let's see; they'll help solve global warming by moving to a society that has a much higher per-capita output of greenhouse gases than the one they left?

[Juxtapose]

I say we legalize all drugs and fucking kill these cartels right in the wallet.

Then for the illegals, we give them no exemptions and throw them out of the country. You either come here the right way or you stay outside of the border and cry.

[OddBeMe]

Come back to the light Juxt…

[Juxtapose]

The light of righteous law and order?

[NYCQuestions1976]

Unfortunately the federal/state government (s) is/are ruining the legalization (or at least decriminalization) of drugs by taxing the shit out of everything. Some sin tax is totally fine, but when you go overboard to the point that black markets are still successful, the taxing has gone overboard.

The war on drugs was a failure, but we do need a war on fentanyl. People may jones for a lot of things (cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines, opioids, etcetera), but nobody wakes up in the morning and goes, "Boy I can't wait to get my hands on some of that sweet sweet fentanyl!" We need to stop that shit cold. It's fucking sinister.

We also need to stop treating illegal immigrants better than people that immigrated here legally, poor people that were born here, and people with mental illnesses.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 good point, who would buy marijuana from dispensaries if it was twice as expensive versus the street?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Juxtapose Yep. That's why the black markets are making a comeback in some of these places that decriminalized marijuana.

[OddBeMe]

@NYCQuestions1976 They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@OddBeMe I'm not following your point. Who's getting paperwork on objects?

[OddBeMe]

@NYCQuestions1976 doesn’t matter. It’s out of their control. They just want to work in safety and have their families available. Not chased by traffickers.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@OddBeMe What's out of who's control? Fentanyl and the border patrol?

[OddBeMe]

@NYCQuestions1976 let them come here and be treated on level playing field first.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@OddBeMe Who? Fentanyl? Fentanyl isn't a person.

Okay... how many beers tonight?

[OddBeMe]

@NYCQuestions1976 one is pushed more legally. The other contantky neaten up. And you know.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@OddBeMe Let's pick this up a bit later, minus the adult beverages. I'm pretty sure that you're not advocating for Fentanyl to be here legally.

[OddBeMe]

@NYCQuestions1976 it already legal. Just not used legally. Not the immigrants fault by any means.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@OddBeMe Regardless of fault, Fentanyl is coming through the southern border illegally and being mixed with other drugs, and killing people at an alarming rate. More needs to be done about border security.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 he doesn't believe borders should even exist.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Juxtapose While that seems to be true, it's still not a legitimate reason to not stop the Fentanyl smuggling.

[Juxtapose]

@NYCQuestions1976 well having no borders would be suicide anyway.

[Anonymous]

The word "crisis" is used too much. It's just hyperbole people use to scare people to believe a certain thing. This is true of those who talk about the "border crisis" and the "environmental crisis." Heck, people have been talking about how capitalism is in a crisis for over a hundred years.

But illegal immigration is generally bad because you don't want a bunch of poor people coming into your society because they don't pay much taxes but still consume services, such as education and healthcare and roads. Also, they tend to settle in poor communities, putting more strain on poor communities to assist them.

[richardcory]

Its possible for there to be many issues. Also issues can have very different time scales. The border issues are happening now, climate change will have most of its effect decades to centuries from now.

[OddBeMe]

Effects are here now…. ie the refugees at the border running from the equator…

[richardcory]

Some but so far most are not running from climate change. The majority of that will happen later.

[OddBeMe]

Where is Haiti right now?

[OddBeMe]

Richie?

[OddBeMe]

They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[monorprise]

The only people who think it isn't a crisis are northern jackasses who don't have to deal with it.

Not even ideological as we found out when Martha vineyard got to "share in the burden" for a short time.

[Dargil]

They are one of our "real problems", unlike the unproven global warming hypothesis and any significant incidence of white supremacy. These are just a couple of the side shows to distract people from actual problems.

[Sevenpointfive]

there is a crisis but i don't know why they're coming north. it would be much easier to go so where they belong and won't get jailed unless they go to venezuela. i mean seriously doesn't that make sense?

[Anonymous]

People talk about it like it is something new. 🤦‍♀️

[OddBeMe]

We’ve been blaming illegal immigrants almost as long as we’ve been burning “witches”. by the way, you see, overly educated for a woman….

[OddBeMe]

They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.

[Anonymous]

The fuckin Chinese want to push us out of Latin America and take our place, then we can send or ship these Latin refugees to the fuckin Chinese. Let the Chinese help these fuckers out, then the Chinese learn what it is like being friends with Latin America.