Why are you “anti-woke”?

[Sunkizzd]

there’s so much anger over “woke”ness and I’m just wondering why anyone is “anti-woke”, what does “anti-woke” even mean? What are you against? Why is wokeness so upsetting to you?

by the way “woke” is a term appropriated from BIPOC slang “stay woke” which was AAVE code for “look out for police injustice and racism”. White liberals appropriated the term to mean “progressive thinking”, the right-wing uses it as a buzzword to gain support. But, I’ve wondered what being “anti woke” actually means. Why “woke” us such a threat?

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I don't know what "antiwoke" means but I'll tell you why I don't like the woke movement.

When I was in highschool, the word woke was used like this: well, I'm woke (in a condescending tone) so I believe everyone should get free Healthcare.

And then you'd say something like: alright, but how are we going to do that? We'd have to rebuild Healthcare in this country from the ground up.

And then they would look at you with big eyes an earrings with astrological symbols dangling (I'm not even trying to be a dick right now) and they'd scoff at you, call you a name and walk away.

Now you literally have an enemy for life. Just for that conversation.

After years of similar conversations with self proclaimed "woke" people in college, I finally asked someone "doesn't woke mean to open your eyes? Why do you guys always start screaming and freaking out whenever you hear something different from what you want to hear. It might change your mind" she said that she didn't want her mind to be changed and there was nothing that could disprove what she saw on CNN.

Not joking, and I've had pretty much that exact conversation multiple times, with multiple people in different areas of new jersey and new york and the internet.

The woke movement confused me until a couple years before the pandemic when the left started aligning itself with the woke movement more publically. Now all of a sudden Joe rogan is somehow a liberal, Donald trump is somehow a radical leftist, somehow a pipeline for oil is worse for the environment than barges the size of cities trailing all the way across the ocean, ruining aquatic habitats, polluting millions of barrels into the ocean every year, hundreds of thousands just from the way they clean the ships.

And somehow if you question any of these moves which fuck over the environment and the ordinary person but make large corperations insanely wealthy, you're a bigot who isn't woke (has their eyes closed) and should probably get doxxed out of your job.

[Unknown29]

Here is an example of woke:
Joe Biden : we are against racism and sexism. We don’t judge people by their race or sex.
Also Joe Biden: I will only nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court.

Woke people: Women should have equal rights as men.
Also woke people: Let’s give women special benefits in starting a business.

Woke teacher from Florida: We are against racism. Same teacher: We had the white students bow to and serve the black students for black history month. It was fun and games.

WHAT IF WOULD ALL THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED THE OTHER WAY AROUND?

[Sunkizzd]

What special treatment are women getting?

[Sunkizzd]

Do you have resources leading me to the Florida teacher? You think maybe the teacher was showing historical context because white people have never been enslaved in this country and some have earned generational wealth from owning plantations and slaves?

[Unknown29]

@sunkizzd
www.foxnews.com/.../...lack-students-classroom.amp

The “special treatment” from congress website:
www.congress.gov/.../6441

[Sunkizzd]

Okay, no, that teacher was just plain wrong. And that’s isolated stuff foxnews loves to paint as “woke”, that’s just messed up.

How is this special treatment to women?

[Unknown29]

@Sunkizzd your original question asked why woke was such a threat.
40 year crime highs
40 year drug highs
Reduced standards to be in military
Record cost of living.

To name a few.

[Sunkizzd]

How is the women’s business centers improvement act “special treatment”?

[Sunkizzd]

And how do these tie into “woke”ness? Lol

[Unknown29]

I don’t really understand your reply, but I’ll try.
Did you actually read the second link I sent you? Everybody else did. It plainly says it benefits women owned businesses.
What’s your view on the school incident? I can’t figure out your reply.

[Unknown29]

YOU said special treatment.

[Unknown29]

That is what “woke”ness is. Lol

[Sunkizzd]

I think you’re confusing “woke”ness with liberal ideologies, but that’s fine. You’re a foxnews sheep that is just angry without much clarity on why you’re angry.

by the way, murders dropped significantly after the assault weapons ban in 1994 (https://www. pewresearch. org/fact-tank/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/)

[Sunkizzd]

The school incident was bad. The teacher was wrong.

[Sunkizzd]

Yes, benefits women owned businesses. Men have always had full rights and ownership of businesses in this country. This bill provides equity after years of women not being allowed to own anything, even their own credit card up until the 1970’s

Also Men own 63% of businesses
Men own 3.5 million (or 63.2%) businesses, while women own 1.2 million (or 22.2%). so yes, that bill is to help balance out opportunities for women as business owners.

[Unknown29]

For one, democrats had majorities in BOTH congress chambers, and a democrat president. Why didn’t they ban ar looking guns? Actual assault rifles were banned May 19, 1986, and it’s still in place. You don’t even know what they are. Google “what is an assault rifle”, and you’ll see what I mean.
I don’t know what website your talking about, but fbi. gov shows violent crime dropped during that period:

ucr.fbi.gov/.../table-1

[Unknown29]

Women have THE EXACT SAME opportunities as men in business. Like I said, would it be sexist if there were government benefits to men starting businesses? Earlier you said
“what special treatment are women getting”

[Sunkizzd]

I’m confused. You told me woke increased crime but your link shows a drop in gun violence since banning assault weapons in 1986.

And the 1994 version is still debated as ever being effective.

[Sunkizzd]

So, do you think if we banned assault style fire arms or rifles, would violent crime go down even more?

[Sunkizzd]

Men, particularly white men, have always had an advantage over women historically in this country. That IS men’s special treatment.

The act is supplementing the lack of historic opportunity and momentum that women were not getting. I don’t consider that “special treatment” I consider that balancing out the historical disadvantages

[Sunkizzd]

I’m learning your viewpoint and info on guns and gun control though.

[Unknown29]

I really don’t think so, at this point. Remember, after the ar style guns were banned for 10 years, violent crime continued to drop. It not the guns, like cnn says. It’s the people. Dems are ridiculous enough to blame republicans in congress for mass shootings, but let violent criminals go out on bail and defund police. Pistols Acount for 78 percent of mass shootings. What’s the fuss about AR style weapons? Oh and drug deaths are COMPLETELY out of control, over double gun deaths in USA, and do you hear democrats worried about them? My opinion is that dems know EXACTLY how much freedom guns give to Americans and they HATE that. Then they brainwash the public into thinking banning guns will solve the problem.

IT IS’T WORKING. The percentage of households with at least one gun is around 55 percent, the highest in decades. Also, between 10 and 30 times as many people are saved by guns in self defense than killed. If you approach the facts with an open mind, you might get your mind changed.
I would recommend watching this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SDlSVE0X3Ao

[Oatmeal2]

Elon musk describes the woke as childish bullies that have to have their own way. Michelle Obama used to like to read the Cat in the Hat to children, but the woke was against it because it's racist to black people.
The Algonquian word for woman is squaw. So that word had to go because it's racist.
The sleeping beauty exhibit at Disney world had to go, because according to the fable, the Prince never got permission before he kissed sleeping beauty.
The French cartoon skunk Pepe Le Pew had to go, because he kept trying to kiss a cat. The woke and said that promotes rape culture.
The cartoon mouse speedy Gonzalez had to go, because he was a Mexican mouse.
The Frito bandito had to go, because it suggested all Mexicans are bandidos.

San Francisco is banned the words chief and master because they are racist terms. So I guess no more chief of police or Master of ceremonies.

[msmissydc]

You asked why not "if" so I have to think of extremely specific cases where I am against them. I do think every direction has an extremist part. Yes these do exists in with woke people and I definitely can't agree with all of them. Some people say in my personal opinion just "BS" and harm those that share some of their opinions more than they help them.

Because some of them posted "BS" online they are used as opinions against me when I argue with actual "anti woke" people. As these people see an "I agree with you on this specific part" as ultimate "winning" the argument they often come back with things like "I already won your argument is invalid you agreed with me already."

[OlderAndWiser]

I believe that woke culture seeks to normalize and promote many types of behavior which attack the culture of the majority and which do not promote the survival of our species. Judged by those standards, woke culture is harmful.

[CALIGVLA]

Because wokeness is about promoting hatred, resentment and divisionism.

Wokeness is about finding fault with white men and blaming us for everything. Wokeness is about having a secularized neo-christian view of the world, where white men are born with the "sin" of being themselves.

Wokeness is about liberalism. Show me just one liberal society that succeeded in history and didn't end up swallowed by chaos. Liberalism is by itself an anti-natural view of the world, and wokeness is a worsened version of it.

[Spongebobssocks]

Because a lot of it is based on false rumors in media. Most stuff is taken way out of line and they put groups in different categories not realizing white people can be just as much as victims as black people. For example BLM donated almost all of its money to the owners mansions in Beverly Hills. Feminism movenent already have all the rights they need in the western world. Its embarassing how they act.

[Ben487]

the woke agenda has been normalizing trans people, creating hostility towards police, creating unequal work environments, rewarding the wrong people, creating shitty learning environments at school, teaching children shame and white guilt, allowing the wrong kind of immigrants. probably lots of other stuff too. They need to be fought against.

[Sunkizzd]

Unequal work environments?
Rewarding the wrong people?
What about normalizing trans people takes anything away from you?
“Probably lots of other stuff too”?

[Cubus]

Because woke is opposed to science.

For example: there is one woke activist in my country that says there are no biological differences between men and women, and all the difference is only a cultural thing (so if you raise someone to be a girl she would have periods and otherwise not).

[Sunkizzd]

It seems THAT particular person is against science. There are tons of variations and differences of the sexes.

And gender is a spectrum. But that’s separate from biological designation.

[Cubus]

It's not a lonesome case. Most woke activist share beliefs that are opposed to science.

[msmissydc]

Wait what. So science is not pursuing progress? Please explain science to me because I seem to have it misunderstood the purpose behind it.

[Sunkizzd]

Wait, yeah…what? Lol

[Sunkizzd]

You realize that science tells us that pollution and carbon emissions are damaging the earth.

That there are more than two sexes.

Gender is a spectrum.

Science confirms trans affirming care.

[msmissydc]

We should forbid people to use "science" as an argument who dont even know the difference between psychology and biology.

[Sunkizzd]

@msmissydc 😆 right?

[Cubus]

"That there are more than two sexes."

Nope. There are XY chromosomes and XX chromosomes. There's nothing more.

[Sunkizzd]

You’re wrong on that actually…

Some people have a chromosome pattern other than the usual XY or XX. They may have one X chromosome (XO), or they may have an extra chromosome (XXY).

Their internal and external sex organs can be either male or female, but they may not go through a full physical development at puberty.

www.nhs.uk/.../

[Sunkizzd]

There’s also people born intersex that have both male and female sexual characteristics

[Sunkizzd]

@Cubus you still haven’t actually answered why you’re anti woke by the way lol

[Cubus]

What you talk about is disease. Disease is not a norm.

Some people are born with 47 chromosome, but it's a disease. Healthy people do not have it.

[msmissydc]

So you hate people for being Ill? Thats what you just told right?

[Cubus]

The same with intersex. Intersex is a genetic disorder and not a norm. Disorders do not create a norm, that's how logic works

[msmissydc]

Because the question was why you hate woke people and know you give an answer that you these people have a "disease". The only logical answer is you hate people for being Ill.

[msmissydc]

Thats where you are wrong, technically intersex is a psychological problem. But again do you mean you hate them because they have a problem because thats what you are telling people here. I would argue hate doesn't help people opposed to actual help and acceptance, which would help people.

[Cubus]

@msmissydc "You give an answer that you these people have a "disease""

When did I say this?

[Cubus]

@msmissydc "Thats where you are wrong, technically intersex is a psychological problem."

Emmm, nope.

"Intersexuality is a collective name for numerous disorders of sexual development. These include diseases resulting from chromosomal mutations of the sex chromosomes, as well as dysfunctions caused by minor aberrations. These include X chromosome trisomies, excess Y chromosomes or deficiencies of sex chromosomes. In the case of minor mutations, disorders of sexual development most often cause changes in genes important for sex development and sexual characteristics"

So your words that "intersex is a psychological problem" are wrong, honey.

[msmissydc]

"What you talk about is disease. Disease is not a norm." as the answer to the question "you still haven’t actually answered why you’re anti woke by the way lol"
You are right about the other part that is true, I accidentally swapped it. I somehow still dont understand why intersex is what we talk about when the more common theme is transex.

[Cubus]

@msmissydc "Because woke is opposed to science."

You have the answer in the very first line of this thread

[Cubus]

@msmissydc "I somehow still dont understand why intersex is what we talk about when the more common theme is transex."

No, transsexualism is not the same as intersexualism

[msmissydc]

Of course its not the same. I didn't say its the same. I do think that intersexuality is not as huge if a theme with woke culture while transexualism is a much bigger theme.
I do think you dont know what science is though, because as far as I know science is progressive. Which would be the same as woke culture not opposed to it.

[Cubus]

@msmissydc Science clearly states that men and women have biological differences. Woke disapproves with this

[msmissydc]

Science as in biology talks about sex not gender. Psychology recognized that these are two different things. Male and female biological different. Gender is psychological and not biological. This is what woke people agree with.

[Cubus]

@msmissydc Ok, and what does it have to do with this thread?

[BarryLiverstone]

Some people I’ve heard who are anti woke believe that there is objective truth vs subjective truth and lived experiences. Also there are examples where someone who is woke doesn’t want to work hard at their jobs.


Do you rely on objective reality and not on your lived experience?

[Sunkizzd]

I rely on both. I recognize that personally I make enough money and am capable of keeping a job and working hard. I’m mentally healthy to do so. The reality is that not everyone has the privilege I do. I’m also still paid less than my male co workers for doing the same hard work (some co workers I’m even better than at the same job).

[BarryLiverstone]

What job do you do, what is a coworker paid vs what are you paid?

[Sunkizzd]

I work in construction. I’m paid 15% less than male co workers in my same position

[BarryLiverstone]

That’s illegal. The epa has been a law since the 70s. If you are paid less you can sue your company if they refuse to pay you the same wages

[Sunkizzd]

And yet here we are lol

[BarryLiverstone]

Yep. Hire a lawyer, you can win and get compensation

[Sunkizzd]

You’re delusional, dude, that pay gap is everywhere, wake up. They obviously don’t care about it. EPA doesn’t have any actual bite and nobody actually fights for women’s equality in the work place.

You have your white male privilege blinders on

[BarryLiverstone]

I’m not a white male. And like I said they are breaking the law so hire a lawyer.

[Sunkizzd]

😂 oh gawd you’re dumb

[Sunkizzd]

www.nawic.org/statistics

[zagor]

A lot of the anti-woke feeling is directed at the cancel-culture thing where anyone feeling offended demands retribution. An example: A recent article on the internet mentioned how a teacher at an expensive British private school said to her class something like "good morning, girls" (it was an all biological F class). Some of the students were offended because they didn't identify as girls and raised a big fuss. The administration made the teacher apologize to the class.

[Agape93]

Because I have common sense and I not afraid of things I don't like or understand. I also have boundaries the woke love to push on

[Sunkizzd]

How are they pushing on you? What boundaries of yours are being violated?

[Agape93]

Trying to control my speech to the point of getting on my case for making a glue joke, trying to stop me from having firearms to the point of one telling me I should beat deer to death because its more fair, trying to make me engage in the "hi I'm so and so, she/her" nonsense etc.

[Sunkizzd]

Okay, so, you just don’t like having to be a bit more polite?

As far as I understand it, the gun thing is just so kids can live past middle school. I don’t think deer hunting requires unregulated firearms and assault rifles.

[Sunkizzd]

But I will say that I disagree with you, your answer is the only one that’s clearly explained to me why you’re anti woke, so thank you.

[Agape93]

I don't like people trying to dictate my words, how I talk or how I live my life. You may consider such things politeness, I consider it exceedingly rude.

The gun thing was around before we had mass shootings every week. It goes on because the government wants control of a docile and harmless population, which the woke seem to be pushing. Also, tell that to oddbeme, who literally said it was more moral and fair to chase down and beat animals to death than simply shooting them. Or those routine anons who keep suggesting we just call the cops if someone's trying to harm us.

Anytime hon. Just glad someone actually listened. Have a good one

[Sunkizzd]

cops don't protect anyone and actually cause more violent deaths and are systemically racist. for me, i just see no harm in registering weapons is all. and, i just meant politeness as far as at least acknowledging someone else's pronouns/gender. not saying you have to put your pronouns out there.

you don't seem that angry actually. you just have things you don't rally behind but not necessarily trying to get anyone else to stop being who they are.

[Sunkizzd]

i appreciate your answer and you gave me some good insight

[Kaneki05]

The only people who are anti woke are people who think 1800s was a good peaceful time to live in which people had great rights...
In other words delusional people or white men.

[exitseven]

Being Woke is about as far away from he American ideal as possible. It attacks he family unit and makes a mockery of religion, justice , equality and common sense. It is a bigger threat to America than Nazi Germany.

[Paul_in_Indy]

I am not “anti-woke.” I am, merely, capable of rational thought. I guess that looks “anti-woke” to you. I can’t help your hang-ups on emotional angst.

[Juxtapose]

It's because it's a total perversion of liberalism that is going to destroy the left from the inside out. As a classical liberal I hate wokeness and how people can even tell you what a woman is anymore.

[Juxtapose]

*can't even

[RealMarek]

“Woke” is anti-white male. I am white male, therefore I am anti-“woke.”

[Sunkizzd]

😂 what?

[RealMarek]

Intersectional ideologues support affirmative action discriminatory policies against white men. They advocate against “whiteness.” They proclaim this openly. I’m against people who are against me. Simple as.

[AngryCarl2]

Woke and Anti-Woke are both intellectually lazy philosophies. You pick a camp and just believe everything they tell you to.

[DarkLegacy]

Because it is trying to ban everything about my culture and is only about fashion statements

[Sunkizzd]

What about your culture are they trying to ban?

[DarkLegacy]

The monarchy being the main one, along with our literature, comedy, our history, the Lewes Bonfire parade by saying they are racist. To be fair they are doing it with everything British, they just use different excuses, if it isn't racism then it is something else like things re not democratic or modern or it is animal cruelty.

[Nikki1989]

I am not. I have more important things to worry about.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I don't even fully understand what it actually is?

If it's being politically correct and BS like that then I'm 100% against it.

[gorydetails]

“Woke” is just fascism disguised as being polite.

[David4358]

Anti woke is just another term for normal people

[Pterodon]

Because it’s wrong