Is American society and beliefs about gender roles out of sync with nature and evolution?

[RingOfFire]

The problem is that American society has morphed into conflict with nature and evolution which obviously designed different gender roles for men and women. We are supposed to make believe there is no difference: which of course is absurd. So the society is ill. It's out of sync with its natural design.

[nolabels]

It's starting to come around to normalcy, I think.

I've been seeing more people saying "NO" to the woke BS.

I think that the average person has had enough of the woke crap being shoved down their gullets.

I'm as diverse, odd, whatever one might choose to call me, as just about anyone else. I choose to just be myself. There's no need for me to attempt to sway or indoctrinate anyone to my way of life. Each person has their own lives to lead.

I'm all for the right of anyone to be who they are. I'm not in favor of the stepping on the rights of others in doing so.

Like I said, I see signs of the tide turning to normalcy.

It might take a little while to get really rolling, but it is rolling, be assured.

[RingOfFire]

Well said. I hope you are right about the direction though. Since what is behind the woke agenda is a political scheme to create chaos and discord and another protected class of fake "victims," and the party that promotes it has most of the power in government, I think it would take a cataclysmic political change to keep the woke agenda from getting even worse. It doesn't have to have any basis in reality, it just has to work for them politically.

[nolabels]

Let's get Vivek Ramaswamy elected president in 2024.

He's well-versed in dealing with the woke agenda and has solutions for what I think is everyone.

I think he's our next great USA leader!

VR in '24!!!

[RingOfFire]

I like the guy a lot, but don't think he has a chance. He is too cerebral and not tough or charismatic enough. Politics is about more than academic prowess and good ideas. I support Trump not only because he was an excellent president who accomplished excellent results for the country under the worst assault of any president before him, but because now more than ever we have to send the message that we WILL NOT ALLOW the woke, Marxist, anti-American Democrats and their deep-state, corrupt unelected government Washington bureaucrats decide who our president is going to be. THE PEOPLE will make that decision, NOT THEM. We need to TAKE BACK the government from these treasonous enemies of democracy and there is no better way to send that message than to re-elect President Trump.

[Soteris]

There is no intelligent designer for evolution and nature. It is a random process that is corrected through natural selection. If you let a random garbage generator run for 3.7 billion years you are not going to end up with a result that perfectly fits into your neat male/female gender stereotypes. You are going to get a confusing mess of contradictions, and that is what we see today.

What you are claiming is mathematically impossible since that is not something the system would ever produce without very deliberate outside manipulation from an intelligent being.

[RingOfFire]

What I wrote doesn't have a thing to do with intelligent design. It has to do with the fact that nature and evolution made mens' brains and bodies different than womens' brains and bodies and each are best suited for different gender roles in a family (which is the quintessential building block for the survival of the human species).

[Soteris]

Yes it does, because you are making the claim that evolution and "nature" has produced two distinct separate humans, that being a "man" and a "woman". That does not happen naturally.

In reality there is no such division, as in what you consider "male" traits is not exclusive to what you consider "men" and the same for women and female traits. You have a mixture of both, as does everyone.

If both "genders" can have each others "traits" then you are objectively wrong.

[OlderAndWiser]

You can thank the political left for this matter of perversity.

[OlderAndWiser]

It is all part of their straegy to pander to various marginalized groups, and to appeal to young voters who always believe that something different must be better, to cobble together a political majority.

[hahahmm]

There are people with mental illness running around claiming to be a different gender than their biology. This mental illness is spread socially and instead of dealing with it as a mental health crisis, the government gives these people special rights and the power to recruit/infect children in schools.

You should look into how many aspects of the Theory of Evolution have been proven false since the 1950s but the people pushing the theory always forget to teach on them. They are pushing a narrative for political reasons.

[NamerOfStars]

"American society is out of sync with nature and evolution" says the guy three decades beyond his natural life expectancy, typing on a computer by powered electricity and transmitted over the internet.

I'll not insult you by claiming you implied that EVERY deviation from nature is negative, but then what makes you class gender roles (a result of natural selection pushing us into a very specific equilibrium with the world around us) as specifically positive?

[RingOfFire]

"I'll not insult you by claiming you implied that EVERY deviation from nature is negative"

You are correct in stating that your own argument is specious. I said nothing about all improvements in medicine or technology being negative.

What you are missing is that the difference between the male and female gender is endogenous. It is inculcated into our genetics and our physical and mental construction. It is immutable except maybe by the process of evolution, but in the meantime is out of sync with the current cultural movement. My post has nothing to do with exogenous or environmental factors in which the human species lives.

[NamerOfStars]

Of course it has to do with those factors- where do you think these social changes came from? We built a safe and stable society precisely so we wouldn't HAVE to face a serious risk of death every day. And what pushed us to make those improvements to our standards of living was the same thing that pushed us to cast off the gender roles whose rejection you're complaining about.

So no, my comment wasn't specious at all- it was point on. What makes this change different from all the others? Tribal loyalties and constant warfare, a birthing fatality rate over 20%, and only the toughest making it past the age of sixty are no less endogenous to our species than our gender roles.

[NaultD]

So is shoes, glasses, and any medical care. We can't take back eve biting the apple of knowledge so now we have knowledge and it's better that we use it. All according to gods plan.

You can run around naked in the woods all you like be closer to god but that shipped said a long time ago.

[exitseven]

Yes, if you pee standing up you are a guy, if you pee sitting down you are a girl. This is how homo sapiens have evolved. You cannot change it by dressing like the opposite sex.

[slatyb]

No, old gender stereotypes were out of sync with reality.

[es20490446e]

Totally.