Do you agree or disagree that there can never be true gender equality due to female biology?

[Anonymous]

For example l: periods, the burden of childbearing, height, size, physical strength, etc

Agree

Disagree

[Exterminatore]

I agree. I’ll take it farther beyond just muscle mass and bone structure difference. There can’t be equality because there are major difference in the brain and major differences in hormones.


https://stanmed.stanford.edu/2017spring/how-mens-and-womens-brains-are-different.html



God created each gender to be distinct with a different purpose. Men were not created to be women, and women were not created to be men. Because we were not created the same with the same biology there cannot true equality. Things must be the same to be truly equal. 2 and 2 are equal. 4 and 6 are not. I also do not believe we should be forcing men to do what women do or women to do what men do or even pushing the agenda. We should encourage women to do what they are best suited for, what they were created for and men likewise. We should not allow handicaps or special favors and special privileges for members of either gender who choose to preform roles they are not suited for. For example, if a woman wants to be a cop she should pass all of the same physical fitness tests as men. No lowering standards or separate standards. Only one standard that is exactly the same for everyone regardless of biology. Likewise if a man thinks he can do a job traditionally done by a woman and one better suited for a woman there should be no allowances made for his lack of ability. Either he meets the standard or doesn’t. A person doing a job their biology does not suit them for is probably a major indication they ought not to be doing it. That goes beyond gender. We don’t lower the requirements on entrance exams for med school to suit those who are not intelligent enough to pass. If someone was born with a deficit in mental capacity we don’t say: “no problem, because you’re less intelligent the passing score for you to enter med school is lower.” Instead we say “if you lack the talent or work ethic to enter med school, sorry, perhaps you’re better suited for another career.”


Equality is a false god. We are not all the same in every aspect. We all don’t accumulate the same life experience. I’m
In favor of equal opportunity for anything. I’m not in favor of anything more than equal opportunity for anything. If the person can do it same as everyone else, great. If not sorry.

[OddBeMe]

There can never be true equality because humans aren’t perfect. Period.

[purplepoppy]

Its not really about that though. It's about not being bypassed for a job to a less qualified candidate just because you've got tits. Why shouldn't that 16 stone muscle bound experienced woman get that manual job over the 8stone weakling guy? It's about treating people as individuals and yes that does mean telling some women not to be stupid.

[beefy40]

yea but none of that has do with gender. if anything the word gender equality is the wrong term to use, it should have been called gender neutrality. But the issue is feminists didn't want neutrality, but supremacy. With equality, they could use it as cover for supremacy.

[nella965]

@beefy40

not all feminists want female supremacy. you can't judge all feminists that way. its unfair.

[NicoletteXO]

Equity can be reached, but not equality.

[MCheetah]

I think you have those two words confused...

[NicoletteXO]

@MCheetah Not at all. Maybe you don't understand the meaning of those words yourself.

[MarkusCopeland]

Equity is the important thing.

[humpbackjack]

I’ve worked hard for a lot of years and one job we were building a hydro power plant and it was made of fiberglass framing members which were fairly light one piece at a time but stack a few thousand pieces up and it’s crazy heavy but each piece is designed to carry its load anyways the geniuses in charge didn’t know anything about plumb and line which means keeping everything square pretty much so when it got about 4 story’s things weren’t connecting so easily and worse as it went up so about the 5 story they decided to skip a couple connection and kept going so now as it went higher they had to skip random connections well they put me in charge of fixing this next to impossible feat and not only that but because I clowned them in front of everyone they stuck me with the tiniest 66 year old lady to help me also because no one would partner up with her so me abs my new partner got after it well there wasn’t much room to work so I being a big strong guy just basically had her watch and put in the bolts as I put my shoulder to it and flexed these framing members I was pushing so hard my shoulder was all bruised and I was seeing stars while pushing well seeing stars isn’t fun a hundred feet in the air standing on a narrow beam first day we made some progress but next day my partner some ratcheting straps and bam now we’re flying so my strength was getting it done but a simple idea from a tiny old lady made us shine I was 6’-2” and a solid 225 and she was about 5’ and maybe 100lbs and it’s not like her idea was genius or anything but it was the better idea

[MCheetah]

Agree. Gender equity would mean getting rid of gender differences altogether and just creating a generic, weak, pathetic genderless gray humanoid. Of course, the thing people don't realize is, that's exactly what Wokémon and Progressive lunatics want. These people are the real-life version of The Borg, after all.

The Progressive End-goal for humanity.

They cannot reproduce; only infect.

[PrettyIsTurquoise]

Tell you what, look at it this way: men will never equal women, and women will never equal men. It goes both ways. There are some things women are better at, and some things men are better at. That's just how it is. Thinking women are somehow less than men just because men are physically stronger, and thinking men are less than women because they can't give birth is just plain stupid. You know, a man could never survive the pain of childbirth, because they aren't built like us.

In the end, what matters is that they're people, both humans with rights, responsibilities and who deserve equal respect.

[nella965]

yes, but women have advantages that men do not have.

Simply for fact of giving birth:

Single women have children and families while single men can't. If a woman wanted children, she can always have children before her childbearing years are over. On the other hand, single men are more likely to die alone than women.

Women also tend to live longer than men.

Just because men have certain advantages, it doesn't necessarily women do not have any advantages.

[t-8900]

If a man wants kids he can hire a surrogate. At the same time a man can reproduce most of his life. Neither sex having kids alone say much about which has an advantage because in modern society we have daycares and school to take care of the raising of them. Neither could hunt/gather, shelter, raise, and protect alone. If you want to talk big advantages though society cares about women but not men. So that's a huge bonus to being ba woman.

[nella965]

@t-8900

Surrogates cost anywhere from 100-200 k including medical costs. It’s not something most men can afford.

[t-8900]

I've seen them for around 50K in my area.

[t-8900]

also ensuring my bloodline for me personally is worth any price.

[Asker]

Having to give birth seems like a disadvantaged with all the pain and complications that could happen

[nella965]

@t-8900 thats still something that most men can not afford. Besides the 50k you also have to pay for her medical bill. And you will also have to pay for daycare and a nanny afterwards.

[t-8900]

most men dont find it worth it. But I'll do it for a son maybe. Someone to carry on the family name. If I can't find a woman that can stay loyal to me that is. I still want a real relationship but it's just a matter of deciding where i want to go and what i want to do with my life. All things in time. If nothing else I could do the surrogacy overseas for a fraction of that cost.

[nella965]

@asker

I think most people (men and women) would find it worthwhile to have children despite all the sacrifices.

[t-8900]

@Asker some horrible pain now for a lifetime of joy and happiness (if you are willing to do right by the child).

[nella965]

@t-8900

When you get old, you can also have family to look after you and also pay for your funeral

[t-8900]

yes but i want my family to not have a funeral for me. I want my wife and children to keep the money so they can have an easier life after my passing. I'm also opting for cremation and having my remains released to the winds on a hill overseeing a prairie or valley.

[nella965]

@t-8900

“Having a wife “ is outdated nowadays. If you have a ton of money , you’re better off never marryIng because there is a likely chance you will just lose it all to divorce.

Many modern young couples are even avoiding marriage because they know there is a high chance of failure.

[t-8900]

ya that's why i want to go overseas. To me marriage is right. However marriage doesn't have to be a piece of paper. You can just do the religious ceremony and cohabitate in a place without common law.

[nella965]

@t-8900

You better be careful cus many women overseas are uneducated and poor. They’ll just marry you for the sake of having some of your money. I would recommend something like that. Marry someone who loves you when you’re poor or rich

[nella965]

@t-8900

I wouldn't***. recommend something like that.

[t-8900]

"Marry someone who loves you when you’re poor or rich"
I can't I live in the USA so it's impossible.

[t-8900]

" women overseas are uneducated and poor"
I care neither about a woman's level of education, nor her income. I just care that she's nurturing to me and takes care of my physical and emotional needs and is willing to have children with me and raise them in a 2 parent household.

[nella965]

@t-8900

Uneducated and poor women are the most likely to marry for money. Do you want to marry a woman who loves you for who you are or just chose to marry you because she wants some of your money?

[t-8900]

have you seen the divorce rates in the USA? It tells me women here aren't really into long term, committed relationships. I'm into monogamy and I dont want to change that about myself. I dont like sleeping around and swapping women or being a cuckold for my wife. Dont the majority of women want a man to make X before they even consider him a suitor? How many guys would you settle down with doing entry level work? How likely are you to stay with him when he gets "boring"? How likely are you to have kids with that man? These are things that need to be known clearly by a woman. I hear time and time again "I want a man that's at least equal to me or making more than me." In other words the vast majority of women don't "date down". It's unfortunate they can't break this biological wiring as it no longer has a purpose in the 2020's. When i worked at the grocery store I got ZERO dates from women when I asked out so many. At best I would be able to lock down a one night stand and I wasn't into that life. I wanted love...

[nella965]

@t-8900

Have you heard about the tragic stories of foreign women marrying American men? A Filipina woman married a British man for his money, a few years later she falls in love with another man. She and her lover decide to plot to kill her husband so that she can inherit his wealth.

There was another young Filipina woman who married an old man twice her age. She eventually cheated on him with a much younger man who she found much more attractive. He warned her to her see him again but she continued to sneak out to see him. He eventually murdered her. This story happened at least 15-20 years ago.

There was another man on GAG who told me that he went overseas to marry a foreign Spanish woman who was half his age. When he lost his wealth in the financial crisis of 2009, he started cheating on him with a much younger man. Eventually they divorced , the kids are now without a family.

You’re very simple minded If you think you’d be happy with a gold digger than a real wife

[nella965]

@t-8900

You can’t buy love with money. Either she loves you or she doesn’t. I’ve known countless men who aren’t rich at all who are able to get married and have kids. If you can’t find love and you need to buy love , chances are there is something wrong with you. Maybe you’re too boring? Maybe you have nothing to offer in terms of personality? Figure it out

Only men who can’t get women, will need to pay a woman to be his wife. Men who have something to offer don’t need to pay for wives , women willingly be his wife

[t-8900]

@nella965 My dear it's not about not being with a "Real wife". As you already said marriage dead. So that means so is commitment in all honesty. Things get a little tough, they're out. There's honestly nothing I can do about it. No matter how much I try it's never good enough.

NOW let me ask YOU something. Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise. He could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create... life. He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side that he could even keep the ones he cared about... from dying. The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was... losing his power which, eventually of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew. And then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death... but not himself.

[t-8900]

sorry you opened yourself up for the Star Wars quotes. Perfect opportunity and I couldnt resist! XD

[t-8900]

Hmm I don't know I have a pretty big heart but I'm not going to devalue all the good things I've done in my life by talking or "bragging" about them. For many years I was a selfless person doing for others and helping people no matter their size, shape, color, or gender. I am the guy who is happy to give people a hug, a shoulder to cry on, go out and do something spontaneous and fun with. So I'm not sure. I love animals, I love kids, I love philosophy, I love parks, camping, fishing, all kinds of music. So yeah I don't know what to tell you tbh.

[nella965]

@t-8900

What makes you think your gold digger wife is gonna stay with you once you lose your wealth?

Do you think your wife genuinely cares for you if you need to pay her to care for you? If you don’t pay her , she will not care for you.

I don’t think this is better than marrying a woman who loves you even if the Marriage is short lived

I think you just want a foreign woman because you know you can’t attract Nor hold any real relationship with any woman in the US.

A lot of men on here claim that money is the secret to finding love. But quite honestly only men who have nothing to offer in terms of personality would say this

[t-8900]

you have never been around me in real life and have no idea what I'm like. It's easy to write it all off behind a keyboard. Its already hard enough to manage the courage to say anything to women in public, especially on the chance they berate you or label you weird when alls you did was ask how her day was and if she was interested in exchanging numbers omg...

[nella965]

@t-8900

I don’t know of what person in his right mind would think it’s better to pay a woman to Care for you rather than to be with a woman who genuinely cares for you.

[t-8900]

thats not what I said. You are putting words in my mouth. I said i would choose the illusion of love over dying alone. Simply, that's it.

[nella965]

@t-8900

I think you’re going for “illusion of love” because there is nothing more fake than paying someone to be your wife.

[t-8900]

@nella965 oh well. I'm saying it's a last resort not a first one. So you need to get that right.

[nella965]

@t-8900

I’m pretty sure you said that paying a poor uneducated foreign woman on the verge of starvation was better than finding true love in the US.

There’s nothing more dumb than opting for a fake wife rather than a real one

[nella965]

@t-8900

For me, never would I ever , pay for someone to be my husband. I’d rather have true love Marriage that lasts 4 months than to bribe someone to be my husband

[t-8900]

@nella965 someone clearly doesn't understand how the American divorce system works but okay...
No kidding you wouldn't because you dont have to worry about the consequences of the failed marriage. happy for you that you're better than me.

[nella965]

@t-8900

i would just sign a pre-nup or marry someone richer than me. You would only have something to lose if you married someone wayy poorer than you.

[t-8900]

A wealthy woman choosing me? Now that's a laugh. I'm not a prize 😂

[nella965]

@t-8900

men love complaining about losing their assets to their ex wives. the reason is because these men love marrying poor women with no assets, stay home wives who had never held any decent paying jobs, women with no earning prospects.

[t-8900]

Prenups don't always hold up either. Your safer moving to Florida, Texas, or Tennessee and cohabitating

[nella965]

@t-8900

just marry someone else who just as as rich or richer than you. Once I hit my 30s and build up my assets, I will only marry men who are on similar financial standing as me. This way we both would have less to lose from divorce.

[t-8900]

That's the issue! Why even think of or plan for divorce? That's how far our western society has fallen! "Through sickness and health. For better or worse. Until death do you part". Those words mean something to me 🥺

[nella965]

@t-8900

you can't force someone to agree to your "till death do us part". If you marry a gold digger, she can always fall in love with someone else and ditch you for them.

For me, I'm just gonna find a decent , high IQ man to have kids with by the time I'm 35. We will team up and cohabitate to raise the kids until they grow up. Meanwhile we are free to date and see other people. By the time we are in our 50s, kids are grown. We will just get married , just so that we can be there to care for each other forever. Lets be honest, the dating game at 50 sucks and the entire market is filled with divorcees who have no intention of remarrying again.

[t-8900]

To each their own but that relationship seems just as sad and hollow. To me it's every bit as shallow as what I said. And besides you assume all the foreign girls are gold diggers and don't love or appreciate their husbands. Anyway good luck finding men like that who have options choosing to share you with other men.

[nella965]

@t-8900

I really don't believe in the whole " romance before having a family BS" that society has brainwashed into our minds.

[nella965]

@t-8900

I think you just lack confidence in yourself which is why you're resorting to marrying foreign women who speak broken English. You're afraid that your wife will dump you. You're more confident that foreign women would stay with you because they cannot financially support themselves. I'd say that your state of affairs is sadder

[nella965]

@t-8900

I would never ever in a million years have my husband stay married to me just because of my money. I only want a man who genuinely wants to be married to me.

[t-8900]

I don't believe in being a cuckold and neither do most men. As I said you're welcome to try out your plan and see how it works out for you. Frankly what you are offering is a raw deal that not a single man I know would be okay with. It sounds so robotic. And obviously you either have little experience with men or too much with the wrong kind. But feel free to pursue a desirable man with options when he can have a younger woman all to himself. "Where have all the good men gone" has become a meme for a reason. You really don't understand how we tick

[nella965]

@t-8900

you need to understand that as a single woman, I do not need a husband to have kids. By the time I am 35, I wouldn't care if men go for younger women. Because I can have a family regardless if I have a husband or not. Women do not need men to have kids. I can easily go to the sperm bank and end up with a family.

By the time you're balding, growing white hairs, fat, wrinkly at the age of 40 and you still think that you can score a 25 yr old , think again. These young women have plenty of options and don't need to settle for an old ugly fat man like you. 40 yr old men are not sexier than 30 yr old men.

[nella965]

@t-8900

I'm 25 right now and if you ask me whether or not I would go for a 30 yr old vs a 40 yr old. I would pick the 30 yr old without hesitation. Nobody finds old to be attractive.

[t-8900]

Ya you raising kids alone with no father, completely selfish. I was raised in a single parent household. There's a reason A reason my mother and I aren't on speaking terms. But go ahead and put yourself before your kids, no different from my own mother lol.

[nella965]

@t-8900

Fathers are not as important as mothers. I also have a great brother who can be an amazing father figure for my kids. I'm sure my kids will turn out fine.

[t-8900]

And no one said I'm waiting till I'm 40. by the way balding doesn't run in my family. Being a strong, sticky, broad shouldered 6'3 man with a full head if hair? At 33 it won't be an issue

[nella965]

@t-8900

you can say this while you're still young in your 30s. Just wait till you hit your late 30s, thats when most men see noticeable signs of aging and weight gain. It only gets worse as you hit 40 and onwards. I do not tend to be attracted to men in their 40s.

[t-8900]

You do you boo boo. Not my family, not my problems. I'll never out a shallow ass, meaningless career before my own flesh and blood. Never have, never will.

[t-8900]

Cool story, my family has a steady theme. Won't be an issue. Besides you basically want a high iq man. That's not going to equate to good looking by the way. Glhf. I could never live like that, I'd rather be shot tbh

[nella965]

@t-8900

booboo, im not the wrinkly fat old man getting old and uglier by the day, still hoping that a young woman of child bearing age will turn to look his way.

by the time im 40, i already have loving children and a family. i don't have to sit there and beg as I am getting older and uglier and fatter.

[t-8900]

I can get a surrogate too. That's not the way I would live my life, period. I could go to SE Asia and get that taken care of for less than 10k a kid. I could have them all at the same time. It's not a big deal. I want something real with someone. Not a business deal. Get our of here with that materialistic mentality

[nella965]

@t-8900

you can't afford a surrogate. And even if you do go overseas to have a child with a foreign woman, chances are she will manipulate you to support her and her child for the rest of your life. Your baby won't even be a US citizen if born overseas.

[t-8900]

Lol omg you just don't get it. Yes I can afford it for starters. Have you seen my savings account? Do you have any idea of how much a USD is next to Cambodian currency? Lol. And yes your American money first attitude is a highlight of why I hate this fucking country so much. It's all about money, selfish hedonism, and careers. Fuck that shit? That's not living! I'll gladly live a life without them live here and have luxury but no happiness. This country is miserable and it's because of attitudes like that. It's always about what I want, not what's best for the people around me. Ugh it's so sickening. I hate selfishness, period.

[nella965]

@t-8900

what makes you think that poor foreign woman wouldn't manipulate you to supporting her financially for the rest of her life? foreign women are predatory leeches. I know this because I am Asian. I know what its like in Asian countries. those people are very clever and slick and predatorial.

your baby also won't be a US citizen, it not gonna be living with you in the US. Its gonna be living with in cambodia, not here. someone is gonna have to care for your baby other there.

[t-8900]

I can stay over there then and work from home for an American company. But I am Not abandoning my children. Nor will my babies not know both their parents. They deserve better than that and frankly so do all babies. There's also options in the Ukraine and Russia. Not every foreigner is an issue. I have friends happily married from immigrants all over the world. Women who prioritize their families over petty pieces of paper.

[nella965]

@t-8900

well you're still gonna be supporting a woman who is a leech. What you don't understand is that there is no reason why a foreign woman who speaks an entirely different language , raised in an entirely different culture would prefer to marry someone who doesn't speaks her language or celebrate her culture. Overwhelming majority of foreign women prefer marrying men who speaks their language and celebrates her culture.

No foreign woman who leads a decent life, has a good education / financial background would be interested in becoming a surrogate either. Usually its really really poor , uneducated women who would put themselves in such situations.

[t-8900]

It is what it is. As I said my personal circle of friend 11/13 are married to foreign women happily and man speak English by the way. And I would celebrate the culture because that's apart of her and our babies. And the woman isn't a leech she's raising the kids, cooking, and keeping an orderly house which is a hell of a lot more respectable then working for some soulless mega cooperation.

[nella965]

@t-8900

I think a soulless man would think its worth it to marry a gold digger just so that he can have someone to cook and clean for him. there's nothing as fake of a marriage as that.

Overwhelming majority of American men do not want to marry foreign women. The few ones who do are usually chauvinists or misogynists who have something against women earning money or having careers or being smart. Or they are deeply insecure and only like to marry those who can't support themselves so that he can feel more confident that his wife won't divorce him.

[t-8900]

That's the dimmest shit I ever heard. I love when American girls pull this shit. She's not a leech she's WORKING! And she's working harder than you so she actually can give kids a good moral compass. She cooks me food because I bust my ass at the office bringing home 109 percent of the income. So cooking and cleaning? That's called earning you goddamn keep! That makes her not a leech because I am paying her to do it. Fuck corporate America! I'm working a shitty job so my wife and kids don't have to and can actually enjoy their lives together! A life with soul and meaning. Not working in some shithole office wasting away.

[nella965]

@t-8900

@t-8900Y

You don't know me. I have a lot of relationships with foreigners. Overwhelming majority of foreign women ARE NOT interested in marrying American men. You're gonna be delusional if you think you're gonna walk into china and believe that most chinese women see you as better than chinese men.
I can garuantee you that you will just attracted masses and masses of gold diggers who see you as a walking dollar sign.

Most of the ones who are looking to marry American men tend to be poor, uneducated, under poverty. The women that are taking jobs that nobody wants to do (such as surrogacy) tend to be women without decent careers or earning potential.
why would a woman with a decent paying career need to do surrogacy for some cash? she really doesn't need to.

[nella965]

@t-8900

you have no idea of how many foreign women marry American men just so that she can get a green card to live in the US. Then run away from him, just a few weeks later. I personally have seen relatives who have pulled this shit. Its very common and widespread fraud that goes on.

If you think that foreign women are wholly innocent and only marrying you for love, think again. She has much financially to gain from marrying then divorcing you.

[t-8900]

First off I have ZERO interest in going to China. I'll happily marry a woman working at a McDonald's over a career woman tbh. I'll happily marry a poor girl if I need to. I don't have to make her a surrogate, I'll make her a damn wife. Why do you think men like making money? I'm curious I really am. Men want love and you sipped the Kool aid so long you can't even realize it. If a woman makes a million dollars I don't care! I want to be treated like a human being, I want love and compassion, I want to cuddle, I want to make love, every moment I'm not working I want to be with her! The only reason I work is for my family. I can live on 20k a year and still ha e spending money. Why I do this? I do this for them, for my love. Everything else in this world is senseless noise and I could care less.

[t-8900]

I just told you I don't intend to come back to the USA. I made that very clear

[nella965]

@t-8900

why do you think the overwhelming majority of men have no interest in foreign women? why do you think the overwhelming majority of men have no interest in gold diggers?

the only reason why a man would want a gold digger is because he has no confidence that any woman would want him as a husband.

The very last thing most sane men want are gold diggers.

[nella965]

@t-8900

and what makes you think American women aren't nurturing or don't love their children? Most American mothers are working jobs to support their children, to pay for their children's college tuition. We no longer live in a society where housewives are affordable.

[nella965]

@t-8900

I don't think you realize that you're just speaking out of your ass, if you're shitting on working women.

Mothers work hard as hell to raise their kids nowadays. This means helping feed, school, clothe, provide extracurriculars their children adequately. How does this not count as parenting? Are all moms supposed to sit home, let their husbands work, watch their kids starve and become malnourished, cry about how other kids get to buy video games and go on vacations while all they can get is watch some tv? how about watching all other kids getting to study at their dream college while your kid can't even attend college cuz you couldn't pay for it?

you're just talking out of your ass. you're not in 2021, you're living in your own imagination.

[t-8900]

Congrats. We've gone over this already. A gold digger and a stay at home wife are not the same. Career women are not attractive to me, they just aren't. I like femininity, I like women, period. The further up a career path a woman goes the less likely she Is to be married. Look it up. You simply don't know how to attract a man. This isn't about confidence and insecurity. Whatever prioritize money and live a meaningless existence if you want. I want something that actually matters. Women like you aren't appealing to someone like me not because of insecurity but because you've rejected what made you unique. If you want to chill and be another bro then do so. But if all women just turn out to be like you then honestly fuck life and society. I don't need that toxic work environment energy all day at the office and then when I come home too. It's not attractive, not in the least. You'll get guys dtf all day if that's all you care about. But someone to actually live you? Well miracles do happen I guess. The issue with feminists is telling men they need to accept certain types of women that naturally turn them off. News flash the vast majority of men like a submissive woman. If society collapsed tomorrow your worthless degrees would count for shit and you'd be looking for protection the moment shit got too violent and rough. Deny it, that's fine. We all know the truth. I'm going to go after women I'm sexually attracted to. Career women aren't it.

[t-8900]

Yes mother's work so hard, they care so much, they aren't willing to cultivate ba meaningful relationship to make a secure home with two loving parent for their children. The data in 2 parent vs single parent households couldn't be clearer.

[nella965]

@t-8900

Research has consistently found that American women with at least a bachelor's degree are more likely to get married and stay married than less educated women.

ifstudies.org/.../does-being-smart-and-successful-lower-your-chances-of-getting-married

[t-8900]

No one said you can't work. But you aim for high income jobs the bitch about "settling" if he doesn't make more. When relationships get tough you girls just bounce. That's devestating for the kids

[nella965]

@t-8900

The most educated women are the most likely to be married

www.brookings.edu/.../

[nella965]

@t-8900

About equal proportions of men and women who received a college degree married by age 46, 88 percent for men and 90 percent for women. Men and women who did not complete high school were less likely to marry than were men and women with more education. ... College graduates were 10 percentage points less likely to divorce.

www.bls.gov/.../...-and-educational-attainment.pdf

[nella965]

@t-8900

Women with college degrees are nearly twice as likely to have long-lasting marriages than those without, reported Pew Research Center on Dec. 4.

qz.com/.../

[nella965]

@t-8900

The overall percentage of women’s first marriages lasting at least 20 years was 52 percent. For women who had obtained their bachelor’s degrees, that percentage jumped to 78 percent. Women who had attended college but not acquired their degree had a 49 percent chance of their first marriage lasting at least two decades. Women who had a high school education or less had a 40 percent chance of a 20-year marriage.

www.coresdivorcelawyers.com/.../does-a-college-education-increase-the-odds-of-marriage-success

[t-8900]

Riiiiight but now look at the US overall marriage to divorce ratios... lack of loyalty in this nation

[t-8900]

Well I'm okay making 75k a year. I'm not taking 4 years of college

[nella965]

@t-8900

less educated women are more likely to divorce due to lack of financial stability. do you realize one of the biggest reasons for divorce is due to finances? single breadwinner families where there is only 1 income tend to be less financially stable than two income families where both husband and wife are bringing in decent money.

[nella965]

@t-8900

75k a year is not considered anywhere near rich.

[t-8900]

I'd course they are less financially stable, that goes without saying. Also now we have to juggle schedules just to see each other? And because both work now we waste money on daycare instead of having someone trusted raise them?

[t-8900]

Omg I never said I was rich. And again proving that goddamn mentality of "not enough"

[t-8900]

40 hours a week, I'm done! In not doing overtime, I'm not spending my life working. No way, no how

[t-8900]

You're basically just trying to break me so I feel hopeless and remain single

[nella965]

@t-8900

because parents are not willing to force their kids into 80k in loans by the time they graduate from college at the age of 22. the reality is, if your wife does not work, you will have very limited funds on sending your kid to a good school. My brother turned down an ivy league college acceptance because my parents couldn't afford the tuition. there's nothing that hurts a parent more than that. When your kid studied and busted his ass so hard to get into an amazing college but have to give it all up just cuz his parents couldn't pay for it.

And parents want to give their children an adequate childhood. No decent parent wants to deny their kids of the things they want. If my kid wants a video game, he's getting a video game. If my kid wants karate class, he's getting karate class. I'm not telling my kid that he can't eat meat because its too expensive. I'm feeding my kids the best food on earth.

I can always nurture and teach my kids after work or on weekends. Thats how my parents raised me and I turned out fine. Just because a parent works, it doesn't mean they are not a parent.

[nella965]

@t-8900

[You're basically just trying to break me so I feel hopeless and remain single]

I don't care about what you do with your life. But the last person that I would ever have kids with is someone like you, who tells girls they should have no education or aspirations for life than to cook and clean and be her husband's maid for life. You're definitely not a good role model for children. Any child has the right to fulfill her best potential and do whatever she wants with her life. No decent parent would seek to limit his child's potential.

[t-8900]

I had to pay my own way through school band also what you describe is not healthy. A child should get the best nutrition possible but video games? Now and again but I child needs to learn the word "no". Spoiled kids become terrible people. Hardship builds character

[t-8900]

Oh ffs leave it a militant feminist to twist what I said. Jesus H Christ. I said that IF she is poor an uneducated she can work from home. You make it sound like it's a horrible thing. Meanwhile feminists cheer stay at home fathers. Your bonkers if you think being a stay at home parent is a cake walk.

[t-8900]

If she stays at home that means I work overtime. That means I NEED FOOD AND REST to continue living. So for you a man working to support his wife and kids working 70 hours a week paying for everything isn't entitled to a home cooked meal? My God the logic...

[nella965]

@t-8900

I grew up without playing a single video game in my life. I never went on vacation until the age of 25. My brother denied an acceptance to an ivy league college because his parents couldnt afford it. I never had the chance to study martial arts like all the other kids did. When I was 5 years old, I had to walk 10 miles to and from school because my parents couldn't afford 2 bus tickets. All throughout my childhood, my parents always told me I can't have anything at the market unless if it was on sale.

Its a miserable existence. I don't want my kids to suffer the way I did as a kid. Is that wrong?

[nella965]

@t-8900

[If she stays at home that means I work overtime. That means I NEED FOOD AND REST to continue living. So for you a man working to support his wife and kids working 70 hours a week paying for everything isn't entitled to a home cooked meal? ]

I don't think being a good parent is your first priority. I think you just like the idea of a submissive stay home wife kissing your ass left and right. The type of woman who would kiss your feet when you come home and obeys your every order.

Because no decent parent would be happy to work 70 hours a week and never get to enjoy fatherhood with his kids.

[t-8900]

You are making the same mistake others made. Don't over give! Give, yes but in moderation. we don't have enough spoiled tik tok kids coming up? Why do so many young women do only fans instead of real work now? Because they're lazy and entitled. I lived in a neighborhood with prostitutes, drugs, drive bys, and raids all the damn time. I went to school in the murder capital of small city American. My mother abandoned me at a liquor store when I was 11. My 2nd grade teacher raped me for a while school year. we all had it tough sister. There's a reason I want my kids don't raised at home and not by strangers

[t-8900]

Yeah I don't went pedophiles touching my kids. God forbid I do everything I can to prevent that from happening to my kids like it did me

[t-8900]

You have no clue. I don't trust people for a reason. I have issues with career women for a reason. My mother and a very good example of the career woman gone wrong. I hated daycare so goddamn much as a child. I would cry everyday when my father dropped me off. Every single day. All I wanted was to be held and loved by someone goddamn it! How fucking hard is it to understand?

[nella965]

@t-8900

My parents both worked full time jobs since I was very young. My mother was a seamstress and my father was a cook. Both earned minimum wage. When I was 0-4 years old, I was taken care of by my grandparents. By the time I was 4 -5 , I was placed in daycare then elementary school. From elementary school to middle school, I got out of school at 3 pm. My paernts paid for an afterschool tutoring program where I did my homework and had teachers tutor me if I needed help. For the rest of the time, we kids played with each other. Then at 6pm, our parents would get off from work, pick us up to go home.

Then after we get home, my parents would cook dinner as we watched tv. We would eat dinner and talked about how our day went. Then my parents would wash the dishes, we kids would take our baths. Then my parents would tutor us on homework and looked at our grades for two hours before we headed to bed.

The idea that working parents can't teach / nurture kids is a complete bold faced lie. My parents taught me how to cook and ride bikes on the weekends.

[t-8900]

Yeah well I had NO ONE in my life okay? Zip, nada. I was left to fend for myself with no one. My whole life has been so goddamn lonely and I don't want that for my kids

[nella965]

@t-8900

it has more to do with the fact that your single mother didn't have the money or the heart to raise you rather than the fact that you didn't have a stay home parent. A career woman can very well have the money and heart to raise her children. Her kids will still end up being better than you.

[nella965]

@t-8900

and just because a woman is a stay home mom, it is really no guarantee that she will be a good mother.

[t-8900]

"better than you" lady you don't know shit about what I've done in my life. You are not qualified to say that, especially since you yourself care also childless and see men as disposable means to an end

[nella965]

@t-8900

nobody is gonna stay in a loveless marriage with a gold digger, ok? maybe only you, but nobody sane would ever do that.

[t-8900]

Stay at home moms are not gold diggers and their 10x the woman you'll ever be

[nella965]

@t-8900

My kids are gonna end up doing great in life. I'm gonna have kids with a high IQ man, which will mean my kids will have the intelligence to succeed in life. I will have career advice and skills to pass onto my kids. I can teach my kids about important things such as investing, financial education, how to do well in school. there's nothing more important in the world other than my own kids. . I'm not gonna deprive my child of anything. I'm gonna put my child in schools where I know its gonna be surrounded by good well behaved kids. No drug or gang or crime activity. My kids are gonna have a dad who loves it too. We are gonna cohabited to raise the kid. At the end of every night, I'll make sure my kid arrives home to loving parents.

[t-8900]

You going to breastfeed for 2+ years? Make sure that child is always receiving skin on skin contact while nursing? Always be there when the child wants their mother? Be the one to see no one is bullying them? Know for A fact there are no pedophiles around them? And you KNOW a high IQ man is going to take a 35+ woman with her fertility window almost gone along with her healthiest eggs? by the way higher chance for down syndrome and autism because of that. While also competing with younger women? Okay , maybe. It's going to be a hell of a lot harder to start looking at 35 then right now. Just keeping it real with you

[nella965]

@t-8900

I'm 25 right now and I am already seeing lots of desperate guys in their 30s seeking a woman in her late 20s- early 30s to have kids with. I haven't promised them anything because its a bit too early for me to be having kids. In real life, most guys have no problem with a woman in her early 30s birthing children. Its only in GAG where men are obsessed with 20 something yr old woman.

My mother birthed me at 37 and my brother at 40. We both turned out fine.

I'm planning on having my first child between the ages of 32-34. Then my second child at 35-36. I think as long as its not late 30s, then there is a high chance of things going fine.

by the way, I live in an expensive city filled with successful high IQ men. Its not hard to find one.

[nella965]

@t-8900

A kid doesn't need to be breastfed for 2+ years to grow up into a healthy child. I was never breastfed as a child and I turned out fine. There are more crucial important things to raising a child than breastfeeding and skin to skin contact. Things like having an affectionate , loving parent and sufficient schooling and discipline , teachings on responsibility and work ethic are wayy more important.

The secret to raising a successful adult is not by cuddling or skin to skin contact or breastfeeding. Rather it is the teaching of respect, responsibility, work ethic and education.

You can breastfeed or cuddle and kiss your child all you want, but if it can't do well in school , then your child will be screwed either way. Nobody cares about how much mom stayed home if your kid can't get accepted into a decent college, can't hold onto a job, can't earn a decent living.

[t-8900]

1) you have to be courted which can take years. 2) you have to go out with multiple men to find a suitor that both likes you and you them 3) it's not only GaG and you know that's a lie. Your Asian, "left over woman" ring any bells? 4) you found those men now and doesn't mean they will be their later. You are 25 now ofc you have suitors lol no duh. Try finding them again later. You should be locking a man down in your peak. 5) you still look at everything as nothing more than a hollow transaction. You seem detached and missing a human element to your personality.

[nella965]

@t-8900

you don't seem to understand that single women can have kids without suitors. Only single men would need "suitors" to have kids with.

[nella965]

@t-8900

The men who I have interacted with, have no problem with a having a woman in her early 30s, giving birth to his children. Only men on GAG have a problem with it. I'm not worried about the lack of options by the time I hit my 30s.

[t-8900]

Amazing I could be making twice what I make now and still have only gone to community college. The secret is choosing a growing field. And maybe your child doesn't want the career path you are trying to set them on. You try to plan out a child's whole life for them you just end up pushing them away. Asian culture, so different from Italian culture. That's why there is a huge disconnect here.

[nella965]

@t-8900

You don't sound very intelligent.

[t-8900]

Yeah early 30's. Again you have to go through courtship and fate a few years. That's what you aren't getting. No dude in his right mind us going to make babies with a person he barely knows

[t-8900]

And you think a guy is going to want to stay with you while you have sex with multiple other men? Get real

[t-8900]

It's actually true. The stereotypes of overbearing Asian parents is quite real. And yes I could go up to $180k a year but I'm not sure I want to tbh

[nella965]

@t-8900

I've met countless desperate men in their 30s who just want children but can't find love. You'd be surprised how many of them are out there.

[nella965]

@t-8900

I don't need to find love before having kids. Half of all marriages end up in divorces anyways so what is the point of getting married?

[t-8900]

Yes love, which you never once mentioned in your ramblings of money

[nella965]

@t-8900

it doesn't matter if both parents are married or not. the most important thing is that both parents are good parents.

[t-8900]

So you think men are just going to knowingly be your sperm donor and know your cool with wrecking the family unit? Selfish, completely selfish. You just sound like you're out for yourself tbh

[nella965]

@t-8900

[Yes love, which you never once mentioned in your ramblings of money]

I have money, I have a decent career and I'm building my own assets. I'm not your typical uneducated, gold digger wife who needs to do surrogacy to make a few dollars.

[t-8900]

Money is not love! Gold diggers don't work. Get it through your dim head. Gold diggers are fuck candy, not stay at home mothers. Huge difference

[nella965]

@t-8900

[So you think men are just going to knowingly be your sperm donor and know your cool with wrecking the family unit? Selfish, completely selfish. You just sound like you're out for yourself tbh]

booboo, you're soo jealous, you just couldn't resist shitting on it.

[nella965]

@t-8900

[Money is not love! Gold diggers don't work. Get it through your dim head. Gold diggers are fuck candy, not stay at home mothers. Huge difference]

what makes you think a woman with no education, no job, will only marry a rich man, speaks broken English, won't be a gold digger?

[t-8900]

So that's all it is then lol. You're just a materialistic woman. You're just as obsessed with the shit as any gold digger? Jealous of what? Your a robot with no soul. You're not mother or marriage material. I'd get better prospects walking into a Walmart 😂

[t-8900]

No you're just ASSuming what they are. Plenty of educated stay at home moms who run online business

[nella965]

@t-8900

I'm not a gold digger. I don't need to marry a man for money. I have my own money.

Your wife married you so that you can buy her new shoes

[t-8900]

I didn't say you were but I said your mentality is the same. You are the example of a money hungry woman. Fuck the family, fuck the kids, fuck love, fuck the community, me, me, me.

[nella965]

@t-8900

I try to make good money so I can feed my kids the best food. Nothing wrong with that. I'm being a good mom.

[t-8900]

Lol you said all the he video games they want and shit. Food is expensive bur not 6-7 figures expensive 😂

[t-8900]

Then you say you aren't a gold digger but want a man or your level or higher. Ya so you can take it all when he's dead or when you decide to leave his ass 😂

[nella965]

@t-8900

at least I'm better than you. You're gonna marry a gold digger then lose half your assets once she falls in love with another man. You complain about losing your assets to a woman who has never worked a job in her life.

[t-8900]

When money is your measure of love and you openly admit to not being faithful you're absolutely as bad as any gold digger. Stay at home mothers prioritize love over profits as do their hard working husbands. So you are a shallow hypocrite, nothing more. I simply said I won't date an American woman and you're the prime example of why. Shallow, selfish, disloyal, arrogant, greedy, and overly promiscuous. Relationships don't last because 70 of you ladies Barents marriage material to begin with. Divorce rates say it all. Men want love and loyalty and your heart is devoid of both. When you lay on your death bed contemplating the end think about how far much the money ended up mattering as you die all alone... ☺️

[nella965]

@t-8900

[Stay at home mothers prioritize love over profits as do their hard working husbands. ]

There is no evidence at all that stay home wives can't be gold diggers. I think you're delusional and mentally ill as a result of your miserable childhood.

[t-8900]

A gold digger bane a stay at home mother are two different things. You can be one or the other. Gold diggers don't work for their money, stay at home mothers do. A gold digger might stay at home but does no work to earn her keep. Stay at home mothers are some of the hardest workers on the planet. You're just shitting on them because they chose the path that naturally fulfills them while spent your youth accumulating college debt and breaking the tension by getting passed around one dude to the next. So you can't stay loyal to a man and don't know how to keep one so you decided to o have an open relationship thinking csnart men with money are going to stick around while you bang other guys where he sleeps... and I'm the crazy one here... hmmm okay

[nella965]

@t-8900

If you’re looking to marry poor Uneducated foreign women That are only looking to marry rich American men, then you are looking for a gold digger. Like I said , Overwhelming majority Of foreign women are NOT interested in American men. Large portion of those who are interested in American men, are just looking for a specific lifestyle

[t-8900]

Oh well now I met an American woman who wants to be a house wife and we hit it off so there's hope yet

[nella965]

@t-8900

A man who decides on who to marry completely based on whether or not a woman becomes a housewife , is a sign that you’re not a quality man.

Quality men are not threatened by smart Educated women

[t-8900]

I'll decide what makes me happy and you do you boo boo. I don't have to break my moral compass to please you or and other salty control freak feminists

[nella965]

@t-8900

And it’s quite funny how you assume that all career women raise fucked up kids. Both my parents held full time careers and I still ended up with a better childhood than you.

Continue shitting on career women. There’s no way a man with an unstable deluded mind like yours will be able to raise successful well adjusted children.

I can tell you had a bad childhood because you sound mentally unstable and a bit crazy. Crazy parents tend to raise crazy children.

[nella965]

@t-8900

You don’t have any morals.

What makes you think you have morals? Tell your daughter that she should give up on pursuing her talents and interests so she could stay locked up in the kitchen as a stay home wife forever?

There’s nothing moral About this

[t-8900]

We already went over this. Both my parents were career people. There you go assuming. And I still say you ended up fucked up in the head because you attribute money to love and success which shows how shallow you are.

[t-8900]

Talking about raising well adjusted children while admitting to be an open whore. Ya that's real estate hical fucking all kinds of randoms around your kids hahaha gtfo

[t-8900]

Ethical

[t-8900]

You even basically bitching because you can't keep a man. And you want to lecture. e, okay. Jordan Peterson is high IQ. Elon Musk is high IQ. They got stay at home wives. There you go

[nella965]

@t-8900

My parents were career people and I had a good upbringing. Most of my friends had career parents , we all had good childhoods.

So what do you have to say about that?

You don’t even have enough money to support a stay home wife. Just wait till your kid turns 18 and you have to deny them college cus you can’t afford it cus your wife didn’t work.

Only rich men can afford stay home wives , not poor men.

75k is not much at all especially after taxes.

[t-8900]

As I said before I can make upwards of 185k a year if I take 2 more ye of college so it's plenty. Also I paid my own way through life. I didn't have mommy and dad buy me a first car or pay for college. A lot of parents did that and their kids drop out. What you describe is a promiscuous woman who had no loyalty and loves money and tries to play it off by saying she'll pay for college. Lovely, your kids will be coddled through life's challenges ans take it for granted and also if you have boys might end up emba by your open sex life. Like I said go back you a rich high IQ man who you cheat on constan. See how many stick around. You call me nuts lol

[t-8900]

Fucking auto correct

[nella965]

@t-8900

Haha if you’re thinking about supporting a family with 75k a year , your kids and your wife will only suffer

Studies have shown that more financially stable families where both partners have decent paying careers are much less likely to divorce.

It’s funny how poor men who are incapable providers love obsessing over “housewives” they can’t provide for.

In the US, you would have to make at least 120k in order to adequately provide for a happy family. Otherwise your wife will be spending most of her time at home cutting up coupons or looking for the cheapest food to feed her kids with

[t-8900]

Wow I see we have a selective reader here who can't accept the truth of her own situation. You think rich men want to be fucked? You're crazy. Go try to husband up a tinder date because that's the quality of a cuckold. 185k, so yes obviously I take 2 years and get a promotion and I'm done. Anything else alpha widow?

[nella965]

@t-8900

And what will happen if you get laid off Or fired?

You better build a huge emergency savings account cus there’s no way an entire family would be able to survive once you lose your job for any reason

[nella965]

@t-8900

Why would anyone want to be a stay home wife to a poor man? If you’re gonna look to become a stay home wife , find a rich man who can adequately provide for you.

All these poor men on here obsess over housewives but complain when these housewives say they are not good providers

[nella965]

@t-8900

You don’t go from 75k to 185k in just 2 years. Anyone with career experience knows that.

With someone as mentally unstable as you, you don’t sound like the type who would go very far in your career.

[t-8900]

Thank God I have lots of options in the job market. I'm 31:you think I have nothing in the bank? Cope harder please. Chicks like you are the ones going on the Kevin Samuels show bitching they can't find a high value man. Guess you could always go for a cashier clerk at the dollar general. Enjoy! This Convo is a boring waste of time at this point. Getting lectured by a woman that isn't my mother lol. You're so pretentious.

[nella965]

@t-8900

Sure spend all The money in your bank right now on your wife and kids then just watch yourself have no money saved for retirement and no money saved for your kids college Tuition. At the end of the day, you won’t have enough money and your kids will only suffer

On the other hand , my kids will get to attend the best colleges, eat the best food , go on vacations , study martial arts or anything they like. I have enough money to pay for tutoring if they need it. If I lose my job, my kids will still be happily fed by their father. I will have enough in y retirement accounts, I will have enough money Left over to invest so I can retire earlier in life.

If I want to take a day off from taking care of the kids, their father can always care for the kids. I’m not like your stay home mom where she needs to constantly the around the kids or have to spend money to hire a baby sitter.

at the end of the day, I’m the one with less worries. I don’t have to worry financially about my kids. I don’t have to worry financially about myself. That’s why I am happy,

[nella965]

@t-8900

“ Getting lectured by a woman that isn't my mother lol. You're so pretentious.”

So what? You’re lecturing me and you’re not a father either.

I’m much more likely to have kids than you. Single women can have kids. Single men can’t.

[MarkusCopeland]

@nella965 "Fathers are not as important as mothers."

If you believe that then I don't know what to say. A tragic opinion.

[nella965]

@MarkusCopeland

I'm not saying that fathers aren't needed at all. Its always good to have one around. But not having a mother is 5 times worse than not having a father. Having a great father figure usually can make up for not having a father.

[MarkusCopeland]

@nella965

I hope you're one of very few with this opinion. How tragic that you think so.

[nella965]

@MarkusCopeland

I think that what all men would say when they feel underminded.

I've seen orphans grow up into decent , successful adults. I didn't come from a privileged childhood either. My childhood was rife with abuse from both parents. Yet, I'm college educated, hold a good job, respectful, don't rob or steal.

Life is not perfect. But its no excuse to screw up in life.

[sweetmessposts]

Gender equality can be reached even if sex equality in terms of biology cannot be equalized. When people say gender equality they mean treating EVERYONE equal in a social, political, and economical way. Giving everyone an equal opportunity to grow and be themselves can be achieved even if humans are sexually dimorphic

[Inbox]

Yet, the APPLICATION of that ideology automatically cuts out the facts that we live in a political word because there are limited resources in the world and all human beings have there own strengths and weaknesses.

When you apply those facts, how can you treat everyone equally when party A may have more leverage than party B. Depending on the situation, if my boss has to choose between two candidates, her daughter or myself, I guarantee her daughter most likely has a higher chance. See how that works?

These types of decisions are being made everyday by corporations, governments, etc. The idea of equality or at least the Feminist version is one riddled with fallacies unfortunately.

[TheorionMage]

Fundamental needs...'Yes' Air, water, sustenance, safe from predation, shelter, gainful employment.
The potential availability of the MEANS to achieve these, cannot... and NEVER WILL be... 'equal'.

Consider the bee hive, the Drones EXIST to serve but ONE purpose.
Upon completion of Nature's design, those hard-working female laborer bees
EJECT the lazy-assed Drones from the hive as 'gratuitous'.

[cth96190]

The idea that men and women can be ‘equal’ is Marxist lunacy that is contrary to science and observable reality.
Men and women are quite different, because we have been designed for different specialised roles.
Only a Marxist would be sufficiently ignorant, stupid and delusional to not understand the bleeding obvious.

[Miristheiss]

I agree that there can be and IS equality of OPPORTUNITY but there will never be nor should be equality of OUTCOME because men and women are different and are interested in different things and will never pursue the exact some things in the same way and with the same fervor.

Men and women will naturally sort themselves out differently because they have different interests and life goals.

[Deathraider]

Equality itself is meaningless in what it actually means. To be truly equal, everyone would have to be exactly the same, which isn’t what people advocate for when they advocate for equality. Rather people will fight for equal rights and opportunities. We should ensure that there isn’t a significantly lower quality of life just because of things you can’t control.

[standardguy]

Men and women have different body and different way of thinking. And that is just a fact.
I agree that it's fair that men and women have the same chance for a job.
But I dislike it if a woman thinks that the only reason for not her getting the job is sexism.

[BCA6010]

By "true gender equality," do you mean reaching a point where gender is no longer relevant in any context, or strictly by law?

The former will never happen. The latter is already the standard across most of the developed west.

[Anonymous]

There's a reason trans women are replacing biological women in sports...
We just need realistic sex bots at this point. Women have become impossible to please after they entered the workforce. They want something that almost always doesn't exist. A rich guy making 7+ figures that is somehow able to be with her 24/7 who has a ripped body, is masculine but docile at the same time. Wtf even is this shit?

[darkcloud1945]

There can be no grnder equality when men dressing and try looking like a female and compeat as female breaking bones fracturing females skull because of the massive difference in body size muscle mass and untill mankind has figuried out to compleately chang female DNA to male DNA no matter how much add on or take off a body a dickless male is still male because of its male DNA and a pussyless female with a dick is still female. gender equality can be had when this gender swapping bullshit stops.

[BillyBalls]

Gender equality needs to be defined properly.

Women can choose to have kids or not. Kids do limit a woman's earning potential do to the fact that kids tend to be a mother's priority.

Gender equality is in reality accepting a woman's choices.

As to the fallacious idea that there is a real wage gap think of it this way.

If woman do get paid less than men, why would any employer hire men?

[Anonymous]

If by "equality" you mean "these things are exactly the same" then no--there can never be full equality, because males and females are different--hence we have two different words.

But if you mean "equal under the law" then sure--they're equal now.

[Inexpensivefurniture]

Why would those things impact treating everyone equally? Sure not everyone is exactly the same physically or mentally, that doesn't make anyone less than someone else

[TonyMetal___86]

The only equality is under the law but a man is a man and a woman is a woman, they can nevet be the same and it's not right to be the same, they were made to complete each other and not to compete with each other...

[Anonymous]

There shouldn't be gender equality. The two sexes have different timeframes, different needs and different goals.
But we can try to be fair to each in ways that matter most to them. And if at all possible keep the bs to a minimum.

[FilmGuy93]

The issue was never about women and men being the same, it was about whether women who could perform had the opportunity to demonstrate that they could perform.

[joeldalton]

We should have equal protection under the law and to the best of our ability provide the setting for equal opportunity. No such thing as equal outcome.