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Affirmative action applies to every single person of a minority and it is saying their difficulty with these college emissions and whatnot is inherent and intrinsic to them being of that specific race.
So wouldn't that mean affirmative action is one of the most racist ideologies to ever exist? 🤔
Of course, it is. You can tell by how racist the people are who defend it.
Affirmative Action is not the answer. School choice is the answer.
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I think the original idea behind it was based on a good feeling of trying to do something fair but we know how the road to hell is paved by good intentions and how liberals have a knack for building 6 lane highways to hell. As Thomas Sowell points out it doesn't really work & it isn't fair. He said it's actually worse when most **talented** black students get into a top school because even tho that person may be better than most students at other schools they could be the bottom of the barrel at the top school & they drop out. Having quotas emphasizes the checkbox over the abilities so these schools might shove the wrong person into the school. Another way of putting it is that the school doesn't even care about the abilities of the student and might ignore the best black student if that student has the "wrong" politics (!) and instead pick a student with less academic ability who can be used as a token/symbol of diversity. But we are way beyond the time when this conversation should have been had. This should have been talked about in the 80s.
I don’t think your race should have any influence on your college applications. It does not matter whether you’re a minority, you should be treated the same way someone else of any other race is treated. Jobs, college admissions etc should ONLY be based on merit.
Where I’m from, we have “reservations” and I think it’s a load of bollox, especially when it’s for medical schools when plenty of lives are on the line. So, a person who has less qualifications than me can easily get into a prestigious university when I worked my ass off, but they just goofed around all day? Lol no way.
The color of your skin or your caste or religion or whatever does not prevent you from achieving your goals without the help of the government.
Yep. It totally removes the concept of a meritocracy.
I'm "disabled". As an amputee I accept there are some limitations I have now that I didn't before I lost my leg. I despise the term "disabled" though. I will not disclose my condition prior to interview, and I will with old disclosure until an offer is made. I have no interest in being offered a job based on how many legs I have. At this point I'm not prepared to accept a potential employer's pity appointment.
Affirmative Action tends to appoint disabled over better qualified here (South Africa) as well.
Yes of course it is, and SJWs being hypocrites is nothing new.
Remember color blind casting? That thing they touted as the non-racist way to hire actors, that would totally help non-white people get more roles as voice actors because they were ignored due to their skin? Well it turned out that without seing the actors and just hiering them based on their voicing skill just increased the amount of white actors, and the sjws turned on their own creation and called it racist and demanded diversity quotas. And of course they get to pat themself on the back as anti-racist.
You may notice that they will most likely ignore, or support bigotry if the victim is Right leaning and the perpetrator is a leftist. Try calling a famous black person the left like the names Clarence Thomas since at least the verdict of Roe v Wade and see how fast leftists will call you a racist.
I suppose we could just wait 20-30 generations for legacy admissions to level out between black and white students. Affirmative action is simply looking further afield for equally qualified students and admitting them; it will raise the bar to get in. Legacy admissions are about who you had the foresight to chose for your parents.
I'd be OK with getting rid of both and giving credit to students who finished near the top of their year (whatever the standard is for the highschool). Legacy admissions are affirmative action for white people in most universities.
Meritocracy is the best... ocracy.
Seriously though... telling a group of people that they're not good enough to make a success out of themselves without help from the government, college, business, etcetera moving the goalposts for them simply based on their race, is in itself, racist.
Absolutely. And its beneficiaries tend to already be pretty privileged themselves, sometimes very privileged. Since the beginning of Affirmative Action, it was always a false assumption that all members of a race were discriminated against and had no agency. But that suited the purposes of leftists, so they've ridden the horse into the ground.
I’ll not use the word “racist,” which was created by the left and given multiple definitions for purposes of bad-faith debate and demonizing. Is it unfairly discriminatory? Yes. Practically, is it a bone thrown to client groups of the elite and a way to punish their enemies? Yes.
I think its racist and not solving the problem. Equalizing funding for schools at the primary level would have a far greater impact. By the time students reach college, if they are behind, its very difficult to catch up.
AA is racist yes. Coming from a minority household.
Yes. It violates the 14th Amendment and decades of civil rights laws.
It's actually little to do with race. Most affirmative action benefits go to White women and the trans groups.
All affirmative action means, is that you are not selecting from the majority.
the replies of exitseven and nycq , already contained what i planned to reply so i agree with their good replies
It maybe was a good idea when they first implanted it. I don't think there's much of an argument for it anymore
It's an attempt to not be racist, but at its core, it's reverse racism, especially if quotas are used.
Choosing one person over another because of their race is the very definition of racism.
Yeah numb nuts, welcome to reality. The only way to fight racism is reverse racism.
I’ll wait for other ideas. But I have a feeling they’ll be dumbass answers like “just not be racist.”
One person's affirmative action is another person's discrimination. The cake is still the same size whichever way you slice it.
Yes, but I also think private universities should be able to use their own criteria for admissions.
there was a very interesting conversation last night:
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