Just offhand, what would be the reparations?

[OddBeMe]

Seems like the word sparks debate. Fine, but what are we actually talking about?

Don’t who any of these fcks are by the way, just enjoyed the debate. Lol

A simple sorry

Money

I don’t know, a Purge day just for blacks.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Money and property would be a good idea, so I doubt it will ever happen large scale. I'll explain what I've understood from a little research and just talking n listening w people.

One of the big factors in the continued higher poverty rate is less/no inheritance money or property. I grew up shit poor but even my dad will have a little money and a house when his parents die, and then when he dies my sisters and I will get something etc. And his parents lived during Jim crow, like this all when there was very explicit discrimination was not very many generations ago. So obviously that still impacts the generational passing down of wealth for many people.

I'm still gonna benefit from what my grandparents owned, while the black people my grandparents same age on average had a much harder time buying property and saving money like that. And my grandparents also inherited some of their money and property, so on, only like 3 more generations until slavery was still happening.

Like obviously it would have been so much different if black people were treated as equals from the start, given good land like white people were, and allowed same education and earn same level money as white people that would then be passed on to their kids. Their kids could use it to help them get better home/education, better work, more for their kids. So on to today.

My dad's heavy into that shit and he plans on splitting whatever he inherits with a couple of his black friends who won't get any inheritance from their own parents. He hasn't told his parents tho bc they're still fucking racist and might cut him out if they knew. 🙄 Anyway my husband and I also like the idea, so we'll prolly do something similar when he or my husband's parents die.

So if u don't think u can afford, but ull get an inheritance, that's one way to do it. Also if u own a house or shit and wanna sell it (for whatever reason), sell it to someone who actually needs it like a first time home owner, & at low price if u can afford. By race specific would be discrimination i think in that situation, so just don't sell at extra high price or to landlord or company who's just gonna rent it out so whoever lives there ends up having to pay more w/out ever getting to own it. 🤷‍♀️

[richardcory]

I don't for a moment disagree that the treatment of African Americans (and indigenous people) in the US was horrible. The problem for me is that after so much time, how do you decide who pays reparations to who. The US has many mixed- race people, along with many people who immigrated long after those atrocities ended.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@richardcory well the simplest way would be for people who can to give to people who need. If u do happen to know ur specific family history, u could have the chance to make more specific meaningful reparations if u find the kids of the other families involved. But ik many people don't know their own history even a few generations back. My dad has no idea if his family ever did anything to his friends family, he just knows he's getting inheritance and they aren't, and he doesn't think that's fair. Im sure there is a better way to do it but I just don't know, like u said is all very complicated.

[richardcory]

Already people who are able and willing to help do - whether with money or mentorships or education or whatever. I think that is good, even if its just a drop in the bucket

[OddBeMe]

@richardcory for one, our taxes and govt would do the reparations (as we are with indigenous people already). You wouldn’t be out anymore money unless there was a tax increase, which rarely happens.

[richardcory]

Money has to come from somewhere. Either increased taxes or increased debt. (or increasing the money supply which causes inflation). In the end the taxpayers have to cover anything the government spends. We might wish that was only paid by the wealthy but most people pay taxes.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@richardcory we could try taking away the tax loopholes rich people use to not pay taxes

[richardcory]

Well, laws are mostly made by rich people. But also rich people mostly do pay taxes, quite a lot in fact, but middle class people pay as well.

[OddBeMe]

@richardcory “rich people mostly do pay taxes” that is false.

[richardcory]

Where have you seen that rich people don't pay taxes? I'm fairly well off and about 1/2 of my income goes to taxes. (and has for a long time)

Elon musk, many orders of magnitude wealthier than I am paid ~10 billion in taxes www.cnn.com/.../index.html

Companies can avoid taxes but individuals usually pay quite a lot.

[OddBeMe]

@richardcory and compared to the taxes of the rest of us, especially sales tax, it’s nothing.

[richardcory]

I'll agree that sales taxes are extremely regressive and I think should be eliminated and increased with higher income taxes. The problem is that the public is.. well... dumb and happily votes for an "extra 0.5 cent tax", until we have 9% sales tax where I live.

But as percentage of income, on average the wealthy still pay a lot more than the poor - which is as is should be in a progressive tax system.

[ShesRad80]

where does the insanity end why not go further back and give reparations to the victims descendants of the Salem witch trials, those who were burned at the stake? im a mixed kid myself, its insanity this world is so outta control with self entitlement. American Indians should be higher up if this is the route the government is taking with reparations.

to answer your question, nothing thats what because in the end you will never appease everyone when they have nothing but blinders on

[OddBeMe]

Why do give reparations to families of dead soldiers?

[ShesRad80]

im from a generational military family, they do nothing for former military, its a joke

[NaultD]

Other.

Make it similar to native American Tribal sovereignty. Carve out some federal land for profit business gathering massive income and use that income to overcome social injustice that happens accross the nation on local and state levels that deals exclusively with federal government.

Instead of a state public defender their could be a pro bono payed from the sovereign black profit group that are experienced with radial injustice. Even have jails that reform and not for profit incarceration. I would ask that in a heart beat alaska if i could.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Me, watching your troll bait.

Me, wanting to really show my own troll bait.

[OddBeMe]

How did you know I deep sea fish with my John Holmes dick?

[D_Bone_Steak]

😂 🤣

[Stoner710]

she’s the BLM congressman it doesn’t surprise me coming for her. If she really doesn’t like the United States that much, she is welcome to leave. I never understood why the people stay in the country that they hate it’s called move. But guess what when black Americans move to Africa they’re not seen as black they’re seen as American.

[DextroShade]

In many Democrat-controlled cities with a Soros-backed DA they are already getting a Purge day every day. I would support a one-time $50,000 payment but they would have to renounce their citizenship, be sent to Africa, and never set foot in this country again on pain of death.

[OddBeMe]

Why if they were here longer than your family?

[Avicenna]

Well, Odd, considering you want to strip white US citizens of their US citizenship with no compensation, your objections come across as hypocritical.

FYI, I do not support this proposal.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna as we’ve discussed I don’t. You’re just extremely worried about your lackluster citizenship.

[Avicenna]

No, Odd, you called for stripping white Americans of their US citizenship. Do you think Hispanic and Jewish Americans should be stripped of their citizenship?

And what do you mean by "lackluster citizenship"? I've never heard of such a thing. And why would I be worried about this alleged "lackluster citizenship"? Are you claiming I'm not really a US citizen?

Nobody made you say you wanted US whites to be stripped of their citizenship. It's part of your racism, your extremism. And you're being held to account for it.

[normalice]

The goal of any sort of reparations is to make up for systemic socioeconomic disadvantage. For example, the people who were denied entry to Harvard because a legacy admission took their place ought to get some modicum of compensation.

[katiesmuff]

NOTHING! It was the way it was (right or wrong) it was, it happened and will forever be part of our history. We learned and we corrected the problem over time.

[Jerre]

100% in agreement with you.

[OddBeMe]

So kind of like every lawsuit in history…we should have just said to the claimant “you get nothing! It happened, get over it! Right or wrong, it’s over!” ?

[katiesmuff]

When you are talking about slavery, right to vote, women rights etc yes it's over and times have changed and so has those things.

[OddBeMe]

I get it it’s an opinion. But why draw the line there? If I wrecked your car you can sue me for pain and suffering. Seems like civil rights was 10x worse.

[katiesmuff]

It was not illegal when those abuses were taking place and only by us changing it all years later to correct what was horribly wrong, but does not make us responsible for what took place.
There are laws in place about the car accident.

[OddBeMe]

You’re not making your argument better. Basically you’re saying being decent is enough of a thank you to blacks.

[katiesmuff]

Your Damn right that is what I am saying! We don't owe them one goddamned thing and they better get over it. Nobody breathing air today ever took part as a slaver or a slave, it's history, it's past and will always be a part of this countries history.

[OddBeMe]

This was just a thought experiment. But this is a great ad for liberalism.

[Avicenna]

There have already been reparations, although they haven't been called that. But government policies that benefit the poor and middle class in general are what's needed, not race-based ones.

[OddBeMe]

True, agreed! But as for reparations what’s been done already?

[disgustingweebtrash]

It won't end with reparations

It won't end with anything

You could give them everything they ever dreamed of, but you will still be their scapegoat. With this knowledge - why hand over anything?

[OddBeMe]

How could you possibly know that?

[disgustingweebtrash]

You're ignorant if you believe it to be otherwise. These people hate you, yet you fight for them out of some weird white saviour complex.

[OddBeMe]

Have Indians asked for more?

[disgustingweebtrash]

Put it this way, Arabs castrated their black slaves, observe Tunisia - they are expelling African refugees.
It's clear America & Europe treat blacks better than anywhere else in the world, yet because our ancestors didn't do as the Arabs did, we are today plagued with accusations of so-called "Racism"
Tell me - if our ancestors did as the Arabs did, would we be having this discussion today?

[OddBeMe]

Ahh well that makes me feel so much about treating people like objects. Whipping, raping, lynching etc…

[disgustingweebtrash]

You did nothing, that's just how you've chosen to accept a responsibility you never personally did. You're exactly the same as religious people that you likely don't have at least a positive view of in the way you claim we all have generational sin from Eve eating the Apple

[OddBeMe]

No I didn’t do anything. You didn’t either. The American government did. And fyi, reparations are also economic boons as well. So there really is no argument against it except emotion.

[disgustingweebtrash]

All arguments for it are emotion based. Anyone arguing outside this acknowledge that everyone has been through injustice at some point and that it would be injust to selectively reward. Where are the Chinese reparations from the Mongols? Where are the western European and African reparations from the barbary slave trade done by Arabs? Where are Arab reparations from catholic crusades? My point still stands, the only lesson people will learn here is that cruelty would have spared them from their current fate, you wouldn't be having this conversation about reparations if there was no "oppressed party" would you?

[JesseP1nk]

Should they get it or not... but imagine what that would do with economy if they would get some sort of money... If you thought inflation is bad now...

[OddBeMe]

Mmm, if we gave poor people money…what would that do to the economy. Increase demand for products. That sounds like a good thing!

[msc545]

Sorry is about all that will happen, if that. Nobody is going to spend money on this. The people that are alive now didn't do it, and the other people that are alive now are not victims.

[OddBeMe]

Our govt and taxes would be spending the money. We wouldn’t be out any more or less. Right?

[msc545]

There are too many other important things to spend money on.

[OddBeMe]

Actually not really. Reparations would be an economic boon. Giving money, loans, incentives, what have you, to communities who need it. Economics 101

[msc545]

This will never happen. Too much conservative opposition.

[OddBeMe]

And you too apparently. I’m getting it from all sides based on nothing more than emotion.

[exitseven]

@msc545 I heard that in californoa it is already a done deal. In the moonbat state I live in there is a "reparations Panel" alrready in place to figure out how much they are going to get.

[msc545]

@exitseven No, it is not a done deal and it actually will not happen here.

[exitseven]

I bet Newsome gets it done before he runs for president and will use it as a way to buy votes. Then he will ride off ijnto the sunset leaving California residents stuck paying the tab.

[msc545]

@exitseven Don't hold your breath.

[OddBeMe]

@exitseven hope so. Biggest economic boon we could do right now.

[exitseven]

@OddBeMe. Everyone will run out and buy Ferraris and Lamborghini ms.

[OddBeMe]

@exitseven maybe but that’s tax money baby. Tax on a car? Forget it.

[OddBeMe]

You’re just mad you don’t get a Lamborghini for a short time until it’s repossessed.

[Anonymous]

They had their reparations: The abolishment of slavery and Jim Crow. Now we "spoil" them with affirmative action and the welfare state (both treat blacks like they are children or lesser beings).

What more do they need?

[OddBeMe]

Oh so lawsuits never cover pain and suffering?

[Opinion Owner]

What are you even talking about?

No, they don't. If someone causes physical damage to your body, all a lawsuit does is attempt to punish the person who did it to you, not magically make you back to where you were prior to the incident.

[OddBeMe]

I would look up equitable remedy, sweetie. Just highlight my text and do a Google search, mkay?

[Opinion Owner]

I already see the word "equity" in there and I can already tell that you are full of it.

These "reparations" are not making amends for anything that have not already been amended.

[OddBeMe]

Nice. And quite ignorant.

[Kingofkings1992]

Literally nothing. What’s done is done. They now make up 70 percent of the NFL, 75 percent of the NBA, and they get sympathy for causing their own death with the police. What else can be done for them?

[Anonymous]

Cori Bush... asking for money... because she’s Black... 🤔

I feel like she’s done this before...

A few times actually.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah I don’t know. Is it money? Directly? I’m serious I don’t think we’ve bothered asking what they want…

[Opinion Owner]

Do you seriously think ANYTHING will EVER be enough?

[OddBeMe]

I don’t know. We’ve never even officially apologized. For that or Jim Crow.

[Opinion Owner]

Oh gimme a break! My f-ing God! Do you seriously think that if Whitey gave every Black person in America 100,000 dollars that they would all say

WE’RE GOOD NOW. We will never ever ever ever ever play the race card again, scream about how we’re being oppressed because of our skin color, and we can all just start over fresh!

Don’t worry! We won’t shake you down for more money! 🤦‍♂️

Do you SERIOUSLY believe this?

[Avicenna]

Odd, some activists are demanding millions of dollars per person and debt relief.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna I wouldn’t be surprised. But A) our taxes would be paying for it, not us. So unless there’s a tax increase we would never feel it. And B) I’m just wondering if we’ve bothered discussing “what” it would be rather than getting triggered as you fcks get…

[Avicenna]

Incidentally, Odd, the California Reparations Commission produced 1000 pages of demands, so we do have some idea what reparations advocates want.

The sums of money involved are staggering. You can't borrow to pay for it, and you can't raise taxes enough to pay for it. And don't forget that borrowing would be inflationary, and inflation is a huge tax. Actually, it would probably be hyperinflationary.

But, sure tell me what you think should be paid out in reparations and to whom.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna oh yeah I forgot about them. Got into the trillions? Obviously an opening offer…lol

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme You never answered my question. Do you honestly think that if financial reparations were given that the race card would STOP getting played and that Al Sharpton, Lebron James, Michael Eric Dyson, Lizzo, and every other race baiter woulldnt try to shake people down, again, or continue to blame White people for slavery?

Nothing that is given will ever be sufficient. There is absolutely no way to “satisfy” their demands. Because the moment they stop being victims the hustle ends. No more money. No more preferential treatment. No more special race based scholarships. No more “White people have guilt for the crimes of their ancestors (never minding the fact that their own ancestors in Africa captured, enslaved, and sold them to be shipped across the Atlantic to plantations...) Say! Maybe they should also ask the African nations for reparations too! How many countries are in Africa? Wow. They got quite the hustle going on.

I’m glad they could put a monetary amount on a centuries old slave trade, and that someone’s great great granddaddy amounted to nothing but dollars and cents. Would you be satisfied with the amount? And would you shut up about it after getting a check?

[Avicenna]

Well, I told you the activists would not be satisfied with what you proposed.

[OddBeMe]

I said I don’t know. I also said we never fully acknowledged or apologized. We did for nuking Japan and have given them lots of money after WW2. They haven’t asked for much as their society is pretty rock solid. Unlike black communities.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme Coward. Way to dodge the question.

“I Don’t Know” 🤷‍♂️

Have the Jews ever stopped talking about their slavery in Egypt?

Or the Holocaust?

Or have Native Americans ever stopped talking about genocide, or the Trail of Tears, or boarding schools, or small pox, or how the White man stole their land?

Have women ever shut up about how they couldn’t vote... or own property... and now, Eve. Though they have both, they still don’t stop talking about how it was... generations before they were even born.

No. They haven’t. They all keep yammering about it, ad infinitum. They write books. Make movies. Have podcasts and their own shows.

“Isn’t it awful how we were treated in the past?”

And you all clap like trained seals. It’s disgusting.

[Avicenna]

Odd, pray tell, how much money have we allegedly given Japan since the end of WWII? I'm not aware that there was ever an apology for the atomic bombs. Are you suggesting that we paid Japan reparations for using atomic bombs?

[Opinion Owner]

@Avicenna If you’re asking me a question, then yes. We did provide financial assistance to Japan after WW2. But those were NOT reparations. The Japanese accepted their responsibility for starting the war in the Pacific. They accepted that their country had been reduced to rubble by the Americans, and they were occupied.

Why give them special reparations for Hiroshima or Nagasaki? What makes that loss of life any more significant than the losses Japan suffered in other non-nuclear bombing?

“Operation Meetinghouse, which was conducted on the night of 9–10 March 1945, is the single most destructive bombing raid in human history. 16 square miles (41 km2; 10,000 acres) of central Tokyo were destroyed, leaving an estimated 100,000 civilians dead and over one million homeless. In comparison, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in August 1945 resulted in the immediate death of between 70,000 and 150,000 people.“

So, why pay reparations... to the nation that attacked you first? It’s nonsense. Or for Nike bombings. Why? The loss of property and life was no more than conventional bombing—that also killed civilians.

America occupied and rebuilt Japan after the war, with the help of the Japanese who were willing to adopt American policy changes, and take American capital, so they could get their economy going.

We didn’t have to do that, by the way. We could’ve just left their country in rubble.

🇺🇸

[OddBeMe]

Then we can payments to blacks that are NOT reparations.

[Avicenna]

And what will those payments be and how much will they cost? What will you call them, what will be the basis for making them?

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme We didn’t pay reparations to Japan. They attacked us. This isn’t complicated.

If you want someone to pay reparations, ask the Africans. Blame them. They were the ones who enslaved each other. 🤷‍♂️

[Avicenna]

It was in our best interest to help rebuild Japan. Although the society wasn't one that would have gone Communist, a bulwark was needed in Asia once China went Communist. But none of what was given to Japan, including military protection, was reparations.

[OddBeMe]

Can I just ask…do you support giving reparations to KIA American soldier’s families?

[LiamJHayden]

$1M to each former slave, paid by former slave owners.

[OddBeMe]

I would say our govt taxes can more than handle it, and be, at this time, more proper.

[LiamJHayden]

The point is that reparations are inappropriate for slavery. If they want to give reparations for those who actually lived and suffered through Jim Crow, I could support that.

[OddBeMe]

I see your meaning and obviously our government lied and wasted so much time dealing with this issue (20 acres and a mule). But just as an economic idea to benefit our country, giving hard hit communities incentives and tax breaks and free tuition is nothing but good.

So I don’t get why everyone’s against it.

[Anonymous]

Money. Exclusively donated by libs who belives black people needs reparations, and given to black conservatives. Black libs can settle with a simple sorry.

[najekim]

Read an article today say that silly panel is suggesting $1.2 million per person.

[exitseven]

at least 5 million dollars and a Escalade.

[OddBeMe]

Leather bucket seats?

[exitseven]

Why not? It was hard being a slave.

[OddBeMe]

Do they like XM radio or do they do their own playlists? I do my own.

[exitseven]

The XM radio people have to give Hunter Biden a couple of million dollars but what the heck, might as well throw that in too

[OddBeMe]

Have to be on coke to enjoy Xm.

[exitseven]

@OddBeMe My wife spends a lot of time in the car and she enjoys XM.

[DarkLegacy]

I disagree with all of the options

[OddBeMe]

Then please let me guess your real thoughts. Don’t bother including them…lol

[DarkLegacy]

You do that

[gorydetails]

How much have you given today?

[Avicenna]

I have previous suggested that he donate to charity to assuage his obvious guilt, but he doesn't want to do that.

[gorydetails]

@Avicenna He's very generous with other people's money.

[Avicenna]

Quite true, like any leftist.

[OddBeMe]

How much have my taxes have gone to reparations? None.
To your unemployment? Thousands.

[Avicenna]

You sure about that, Odd? And do you even know how unemployment insurance works? Apparently you don't. How much of your taxes have gone to welfare payments, race-based grants, or the employment of people hired to fill racial quotas or other affirmative action/DEI? Oh, that's right- you live off of your wife and pay no taxes- I forgot!

In the bizarro Odd world, blacks have never benefited from government spending.

But we won't get into how you have exploited a woman of color for your living expenses. And you did it for years. Unlike you, I have always worked. Even when I was a student.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna when we’re talking percentage in taxes, it’s practically non existent. 1/3 Medicare, 1/3 to social security, 1/3 to military. Rest is nominal.

[Avicenna]

I don't think you have done any calculations (and your take on the federal budget is off). How much do you think reparations should cost? How much in dollar terms?

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna please send me a link. I’ll wait.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t know how much reparations would cost dipshit that’s why I’m asking this fcking question….

[Avicenna]

Well, here's a link to the report:'

https://oag.ca.gov/ab3121/report

[Avicenna]

And that's just California. Imagine what the demands will be at the federal level.

[Avicenna]

I don't think any reparations should be paid based on race.

[Avicenna]

And here's a breakdown of the federal budget in percentage terms (scroll down a bit):

fiscaldata.treasury.gov/.../

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna as I said, that was one suggestion.

[Avicenna]

You're just vaguely talking out of your ass. If you're going to claim that reparations are no big deal and will easily be funded by general taxation, you need to be able to say, at a minimum, how much that is going to cost.

[OddBeMe]

@Avicenna you can read the Q above right? How can budget what we don’t know? Jesus fckin Christ. And you keep failing at this and trying to get me on budget. Childish.

I did want to show this graph…funny how our federal deficit is collapsing after 2020
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FGEXPND

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Not a damn thing.