Should judges “consider a convicted criminal's race when determining prison sentences” to “[rectify perceived historical systemic] racial bias”?

[Anonymous]

Picture from article #1 below

Reference article 1: https://thepostmillennial.com/california-democrats-push-judges-to-make-race-a-factor-in-sentencing-criminals

Reference article 2: https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/07/11/california-dems-push-race-consideration-for-convicted-criminals-before-sentencing-1376183/

Note 1: Per reference article #1, “Under the guidance of the California Reparations Task Force, Democrat state lawmakers introduced Assembly Bill 852 which "would require courts, whenever they have discretion to determine a sentence, to consider the disparate impact on historically disenfranchised and system-impacted populations" with the intent of "rectifying racial bias." “

Note 2: Choose the answer-option in the poll that most closely matches your response to this question.

Note 3: Please state in your comments WHICH ANSWER-OPTION LETTER you selected in the poll.

A - HELL NO

B - No

C - PROBABLY NO (but I’m not sure)

D - I DON’T CARE either way

E - PROBABLY YES (but I’m not sure)

F - Yes

G - HELL YES

[LiamJHayden]

Sounds like an obvious violation of the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause.

[Asker]

So is that your A vote in the poll?

[exitseven]

To the democrats the Constitution is just a set of suggestions that don't really mean anything.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven Come on dude, no one is that fucking stupid.

There are NOT 2 different parties, there is one bunch of guys and they all fuck you in the asshole every day.

[exitseven]

@Guffrus We did not have a lot of this stupid crap when Trump was president. He steered the party away from the Bush-Cheney Republicans.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven Trump is somewhat unique though, it isn't clear whether he is actually in the club or not. In the UK there was an immediate and constant anti Trump campaign of redicule in the media, which strongly suggests that he is not in the club and that means that he isn't 'a republician' he is just some rich asshole who managed to get into office.

When we went into Iraq there was a republician at the wheel, now I haven't checked if the constitution was specifically violated when that happened but I think that lying to the American people and sending their sons to die in a desert so that some rich assholes could extend the scope of their power and make a bunch more money is at the very least against the spirit of the constitution.

So please, stop pretending that the repulicians and democrates are 'good guys and bad guys' and that you are backing the right horse or occupy some sort of moral high ground, you don't.

When you say things like 'To the democrats the Constitution is just a set of suggestions that don't really mean anything.' all you are doing is demonstrating that you have a metaphorical asshole that looks like a wizards sleeve.

[exitseven]

@Guffrus You are right about most of what you say. I think that President Trump hit a nerve with the America First movement. The entire middle class has been left behind while the rich got super rich and the welfare class got bigger. The rest of us paid for it. Most of the world leaders hated Trump because he was not aa part of the club. China and Russia hated him because he had no problem with economic sanctions and giving them stern warnings of military action. The same North Korea. The NATO countries hated him because he made them all pay up what they owed. Other countries did the same when he cut foreign aid.
You are right about the good and evil thing but the Democrats have caused so much chaos and craziness that I had to become a Republican. The whole country is going in the wrong direction and it is the fault of the democrats. When you se the stark contrast between the prosperity we had before the Covid epidemic and the horrible economic climate we have in America and how fast things went downhill as soon as Biden was inaugurated it is pretty obvious that the democrats do not serve the American citizen, they only serve themselves.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven None of this is anything to do with anything that he did because it started instantly, there was no timeframe for it to be about anything other than the wrong candidate got in or they realised they had made a mistake and he wasn't going to be a puppet.

Why are you trapped inside this paradigm where you believe that you have to choose one or the other?

Why can't you tell that none of them give a single fuck about you, the environment, the people in the country or anything to do with the cultural ideals of the country?

All they are intested in is their own money and power, they control the media, the courts, the police, the military, they have it all sewn up and you won't even look at it nevermind resist them in any way.

[exitseven]

@Guffrus There is a shocking document that is still on Joe Biden's website
joebiden.com/.../...TASK-FORCE-RECOMMENDATIONS.pdf

Apparently nobody read this because it absolutely scared the crap out of me. It really is a step by step description on how to destroy a country and ruin everything that has been built over the last 250 years. It is chilling to re read this and see how much of this had been accomplished,
The damage done by Biden and his handlers will take decades to fix and our grandchildren will still feel the impact.

This is how the Biden administration plans to dismantle America and turn it into a communist third world country.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven Which part is supposed to be terrifying exactly?

This appears to be perfectly ordinary mundane shit that happens all the time in most of the western world, America included by the way, perhaps you are aware of government money being spent on the arms industry? You also have a communist postal service.

[exitseven]

@Guffrus it describes how our energy independence and economy will be systematically destroyed by attacking the energy companies because they supposedly have to save the planet. Then it describes how to divide the population into different factions that will be constantly at odds with each other because they are trying to achieve equity. It is obvious they have an agenda to let in millions of illegal aliens and import poverty from around the world to create a underclass that will live at the taxpayers expense and vote for democrats. If anyone ever bothered to read this they would see how counter productive the Democrat ideas are for our country and how much harm they could do

[Guffrus]

@exitseven Please quote where in the document any of these things are described because frankly it is like we are reading 2 completely different documents, I can see no evidence supporting your claims.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven Not only is what you claim not in the document as far as i can see, the exact opposite is true.

For example: Quote 'Highways have been built to enforce racial segregation
in our cities, with federal dollars and federal policy support.'

Quote 'We can and must build a thriving, equitable, and
globally competitive clean energy economy that puts workers and communities first and leaves
no one behind. We will help rebuild our economy from the COVID-19 pandemic and President
Trump’s recession by mobilizing historic, transformative public and private investments to
launch a clean energy revolution. We will use federal resources and authorities across all
agencies to accelerate development of a clean energy economy and deploy proven clean energy
solutions; create millions of family-supporting and union jobs; upgrade and make resilient our
energy, water, wastewater, and transportation infrastructure; and develop and manufacture next-
generation technologies to address the climate crisis right here in the United States.'

[Guffrus]

The first quote is highlighting a problem by the way not promoting a course of action.

[exitseven]

@Guffrus The democrats always call something the opposite of what it really is. Like The Affordable Healthcare Act or the Inflation Reduction Act. Both of these had the opposite effect but ended up supporting an agenda that is decidedly not in the best interest of the American people. They describe Trump's recession. There was no recession when Trump was president. They mention clean energy development. A sane person would create rhe clean energy jobs first and then eliminate the fossil fuel jobs tha actually provide us with the power to run the country. You have to read between the lines a little to get the real idea that this is bad for America.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven I'm sorry but this is apples and oranges, we are not talking about the names of acts.

Quote 'A sane person would create rhe clean energy jobs first and then eliminate the fossil fuel jobs tha actually provide us with the power to run the country.' That appears to be exactly what is being proposed, I'm not sure where you get the idea that something else is happening?

It would be best for you if what you got for your money was STATE OWNED but it won't be, it will be in the hands of private business.

This is the problem with Americans you have been so utterly brainwashed that you actually prefer the worst of all worlds, you want to pay for things with your taxes and then also not own them because that would be 'communist'.

You never hear anyone complaining about your communist military though, why is that?

[Guffrus]

@exitseven You don't get to complain about what you think your 'middle class' are paying for by the way, because you are holding the world to ransom.

You are not paying your way, WE, THE WORLD pays for you.

But it still isn't enough so you run up unimaginable amounts of debt, all of which is backed by violence.

[Guffrus]

You are going to crash your economy on purpose and then default on the debt and then kill anyone who has a problem with it.

[exitseven]

@Guffrus It is the middle class that does most of the working, traveling, purchasing and paying taxes. If anyone crashes the economy it will be Biden. He is running up record deficits and our currency will be worthless if he is allowed to serve a second term. Anybody with a retirement account better think about that next year.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven That idea is ancient and obviously has no meaning in the modern world.

No one is paying for anything we are all just running up debt but you are doing it more than most.

The world is required to pay for oil in dollars literally on pain of death, this artificial demand means that you can print money endlessly, you spend imaginary monopoly money and we all pay for it, or we would be if anyone were paying for anything.

Quote 'If anyone crashes the economy it will be Biden.'

Why? Because he isn't your guy?

You really don't want to be talking deficits because actually the democrats have consistently been more responsible than the republicians over at least the last 40 years.

https://amarkfoundation.org/us-federal-deficits/

[exitseven]

@Guffrus Obama ran up the deficit more than all presidents combined. If Covid did not happen Trump was putting the brakes on. Biden is giving Obana a run for his money, then gets up in front of the coubmntry and says he cut the deficit 1,7 trillion. In really he increased it over 3 trillion.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven It is important that you listen and understand what I am going to say to you now.

You are wrong.

Your views are not supported by the data.

Obama reduced the deficit by approx $600 billion.

It's right there in the data and I have checked the numbers for the total debt from this site

https://amarkfoundation.org/us-federal-deficits/

with the numbers from the US treasury and they match fiscaldata.treasury.gov/.../historical-debt-outstanding

which suggests that they are as claimed, correct.

So now you can do one of 2 things; you can either adjust your worldview to be in line with reality or you can knowingly and willfully continue to be ignorant.

You ARE wrong and I have supplied evidence which PROVES that you are wrong.

[exitseven]

@Guffrus on Jan 20,2009 the deficit was 10.626 trillion and on Jan 20, 2017 it was 19.937 trillion. He increased it by nearly double.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven Sorry I misread what you said about the deficit, I thought you had said those were Obama's numbers.

Before you get excited though, you aren't off the hook, not at all.

Because Obama did reduce the deficit, there is a pattern of Democrats running a lower deficit than Republicians and Biden has reduced the deficit, not by 1.7 trillion but by 1.39 trillion.

It is also true to say that he increased the deficit TO (NOT BY) over 3 trillion but that was in 2020, in 2021 the deficit was 2.77 trillion and 2022 which is where the claimed reduced deficit comes in is 1.38 trillion.

Now this is still misleading for sure because the deficit is still running higher than the 2019 deficit by 0.4 trillion but for perspective Bush Jr increased the deficit by about 0.5 trillion (from a BUDGET SURPLUS WHICH HE INHERITED) having a war on terror so it's pretty ridiculous to be saying that Biden is the bad guy and the harbinger of the apocalypse.

Your position is simply not supported by evidence.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven That isn't the deficit, its the national debt.

[exitseven]

@Guffrus it is the national deficit as well.

[Guffrus]

@exitseven No. It is not.

The deficit (or surplus) is the difference between what you have made and what you have spent, having a surplus means you have taken more than you have spent, most countries in most years at least in the modern world run a deficit, they spend too much.

The national debt is the total amount owed.

So the greater the deficit the more the national debt grows.

We don't have any way to compare Trump to Biden currently because all the data is totally distorted by Covid to the point that it is meaningless but we can compare Obama to Trump and in Trumps first 2 years he increased the national debt by about the same as Obama did in his last 3.5 years, that is how much more Trump borrowed. So vs an Obama a Trump costs you getting on towards twice as much money, thats how much your debt increases because of the differences in the deficit.

(These years are adjacent and not affected by a major event)

[Guffrus]

The only person to have had a surplus, that is to say they took more than they spent and therefore reduced the national debt was Clinton, presumably because he spent his time skull fucking his secretary rather than torturing brown people.

[LiamJHayden]

@gagname Yes.

[exitseven]

Hell no- don;t do the crime if you can't do the time.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[Asker]

You’re welcome

[Asker]

Hmm…
Tbh, I think your MHO may have been GAG system-selected (because I think I selected 1 Blue MHO & 1 Pink MHO) and if so, I’m happy to thank you on GAG’s behalf; but anyways thanks from me for commenting on this question.

[Karen444]

Hell no

[Sasahara]

Of course not.

[Asker]

Did you vote hell no or no in the poll?

[Sasahara]

Hell no

[Jerre]

Absolutely NOT!

[Jerre]

@gagname Thank you for the Like

[Asker]

You’re welcome