Is government overreach local or federal?

[OddBeMe]

I think we forget how much local politicians have more say in our lives than federal. But commentators get us riled up about federal. To get us not to vote local.

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[Stoner710]

Federal definitely the only job of the federal government or borders, and she gets on the American people. There are many laws I agree with that are technically governmental over reach.

for example, I LOVE NATIONAL PARKS. But that is government over reach.

the federal government is suppose to fight with both hands tied behind their legs while their feet or physically cut off. ( metaphorically speaking). The states are suppose to be Way way (1 quadrillion years later) way way are more powerful then the federal government under the constitution

[Anonymous]

State Constitutions and local charters are by design more broad in their powers to handle all the tasks required of goverment. As such in most cases they are not "overreaching" as they legitimately have such power.

This is manageable because not only do they risk losing their people if they go too far, but they are also checked in some abuses by 1-2 other separately elected levels of government.

This makes it safer to give them vast powers.

[OddBeMe]

I’m not necessarily against their power. Just asking why we’re focused on federal so much…

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme Federal overreach is by far the most dangerous, whereas State and particularly local overreach is relatively easily dealt with.

So of course in terms of Overreach we focus on federal, we as individuals have plenty of tools to deal with local and even State overreach. So they are not really anything even close to as serous a political problem.

This is not to say we should not talk about their abuses, we certantly should talk about it so that other people in other states should know the effect of bad policies and avoid copying them.

[OddBeMe]

Ehh I would need actual context and specifics, just like for local. But seeing how it affects our lives, we spend 80% of our time talking about 1% of power in America and completely ignore the 99% that actually has power over us: local politics.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme If I have a problem with my local goverment I talk to my neighbors and vote either with my ballot or m feet. I don't talk to you So why on earth would you expect to hear me talking about Local politics.

Don't get me wrong they are important to talk about but with you I would only mention it as a warning to stay away from it, or advice to try it.

[Avicenna]

States have a lot more power than local governments. And as for federal, I guess you have never heard of the Supremacy Clause, Genius Odd?

[Anonymous]

Which one can keep you in you'd home and force you to take a vaccine you don't need?

[WindAtMyBack]

Both, but federal is worse because it's none of their damn business.

It's easier for the media to stir up trouble at the federal level. It's too much work for them to do it at hundreds of state and local levels. Too much work for citizens also. Which is why most couldn't name their local or state representatives, have never read their state constitution, and maybe even couldn't name their governor or mayor.

[gorydetails]

Last time I checked, my city council wasn’t sending billions to Ukraine. But I appreciate you de facto admitting that the federal government should be reduced to next to nothing so we can control the local folks.

[OddBeMe]

Ukraine has.001% affect on you. But your local school board, tax accessor etc, has 90% affect in your taxes. If you had earnings, that is.

[monorprise]

@OddBeMe
If @gorydetails doesn't like his local school board, tax accessor , etc he can simply move.

Odds are he does like them more having chosen to live in a city partly taking that into effect, and being a far larger share of the far more homologous local vote that elects them.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise sure. But as we just discussed Joel shitbird is talking about Ukraine…which has virtually no affect on his life.

[monorprise]

@OddBeMe Depending on where he lives, the Ukraine either cost him a lot of money via inflationary taxes to pay for the war, or threatens his life and family via the Russian roulette of something happening that causes the war to escalating out of control.

We are already up to sending the Ukraine relatively modern equipment and now the Ukrainian leadership has finally discovered they don't have the numbers to win regardless of tecnoligy. So western boots on the ground are the next step their employee Joe Biden has to sell.

An escalation that puts us even closer to a situation where Russia feels their existence is threaten, and they have to use WMD.

Never-mind the countless other forms of dirty weapons Russia has such as Bio weapons they can safely deploy against us out of revenge or mere military necessity to slow the supply of weapons to their enemy.

How we reacted to COVID-19 bio weapon kind of proves Russia could get away with it.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise please show me evidence that inflation is caused by our pittance of funding to Ukraine.

[monorprise]

Here is the federal deficit: fiscaldata.treasury.gov/.../

This is all the new money the Federal Goverment is adding to the economy, if that wasn't bad enough. In order to back their ridiculous spending and make their bank friends rich congress has given banks the right to engage in fractional reserve lending with Federal dept being given a special secure status on which they can multiply the the effect of this spending on the economy more than 10 fold.

Thus every new dollar competing for resources in an economy devalues every other dollar competing for the same resources. This is what we call inflation.

[gorydetails]

@OddBeMe since it has such a little effect, we can just stop sending them money. Works for me

[Avicenna]

Are you seriously claiming that federal censorship, regulatory overreach and law enforcement overreach are not significant?

[OddBeMe]

Not as nearly important as your local politics. Yes. That’s a fact.

[monorprise]

@OddBeMe
Once again @Avicenna has the opportunity to vote with his feet to deal with local problems, as well as being a far more significant share of the far more homongous vote that elects theses local & state leaders.

Odds are @Avicenna already in part did so vote in choosing to live where he he lives, among people who have likewise soo chosen and are as such likewise more agreeable.

For theses reasons only idiots and a minority dislike their local leaders more than their federal leaders.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise I would argue few chose to live where they live.

[monorprise]

@OddBeMe They have more choice than they choose to recognize.

For even if they are there simply for a job, or family they have in fact voted for those provision as at this time most important to them.

If they are there because have yet to find something else to vote for they have yet again voted for their choice via being too lazy or busy to educate themselfs.

If they are there because they "cannot afford to move" they have in fact voted to stick with what they have for fear of what they might leave behind were they to leave as they can.

We may not think the reasons that we feel compel our choices are choose but they are.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise I was just mentioning social mobility has been dead for decades and you need loads of money to move.

[monorprise]

@OddBeMe
You only need your feet to move as Illegal immigrants on the southern border prove regularly.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise if you’re a fat gunman who thinks he’s army, or a drifter.

[Avicenna]

@monorprise is absolutely correct here. Meanwhile. Odd sits there dazed and confused because reality doesn't align with his delusional woke ideology. Odd, you need to get out more.

And, Odd, honestly, concern about government overreach isn't (or shouldn't) be an ideological or partisan issue.

[monorprise]

@OddBeMe I am neither fat nor a gunman but even if that were the case it wouldn't prevent me from voting with my feet. Likewise I would still be an idiot if I generally hated my local politicians more than federal politicians.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise @Avicenna What? Actual statistics? Let’s see…umm 8% of Americans moved in 2022. Down from 9% in 2021.

What were you guys saying? I’m so fcking stupid and need to get out more…to see your bullshit?
www.bankrate.com/.../#moving

[Avicenna]

Odd, if you can't afford to move anywhere, I suggest that you get a job and start saving.

[Avicenna]

by the way, do you have any idea what it means for something to be statistically significant? I guess not- wasn't a part of your BA in Grievance Studies, was it?

[monorprise]

@OddBeMe What are you talking about 8% is a huge number of Americans changing their vote with their feet and moving in 1 year?

People don't just up and move every year for minor reasons they carefully consister where they are going look at the local history, school districts etc...

As you say moving is a big deal which is why how you vote with your feet is a far more considered judgment reflecting your best interest then how you cast your ballot.

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise (slaps face) your ability to read statistics is astounding. You think it’s always a new 8% every year? 92% of Americans aren’t able to follow the job market.

I made both of you look like fck toys when you ganged up on me. Which I always enjoy :)

[Avicenna]

Thanks for the laughs. You know you're generally considered the biggest dumbass on GAG as well as a racist fool for good reason, right?

[OddBeMe]

Funny that I’m also the resident googler for jackasses who make ridiculous claims.

[Avicenna]

The only ridiculous claims anyone sees around here come from Nazis and leftists (some people are both). I guess you're too dumb to realize how foolish you really are.

[OddBeMe]

Please show me a leftie Nazi. I’ll wait.

[Avicenna]

Are you claiming that there are no anti-Semites who are leftists?

[OddBeMe]

Are you claiming all anti-semites are Nazis?

[Avicenna]

Ho about answering my question

[Avicenna]

* How

[OddBeMe]

No I’m sure some poor soul has lefty and antisemitic thoughts. Every combination of person is most likely out there in 8 billion people.

I just argued with someone who agrees with Republicans about doing away with child labor laws.

[OddBeMe]

But if you were, say, not a moron, you’d know Nazism is a right wing philosophy.

[Avicenna]

Now, Odd, we know how you leftists strongly support the Biden Administration's trafficking of minor children.

As for leftists who hate Jews, have you been living under a rock? Not only do you see some of the in GAG, but your beloved Democrats in the House, especially the ones known as "The Squad", have made their anti-Semitism clear. As do many, many other hardcore leftists, including large numbers in the State Department and Joe Biden's criminal administration.

Nazis+ National Socialist Party. And among his numerous quotes in support of Socialism, Hitler once said "If we are Socialists, then we must definitely be anti-Semites".

Now, Odd, I'll give you the chance to show you're not an anti-Semite by denouncing anti-Semitism in all of its forms.

[OddBeMe]

I just read your first line and stopped as it’s pure nonsense. Now Avi, come back when stop straw manning the left.

[Avicenna]

Now, Odd, we know you can't handle the truth. And the truth is that there is a lot of anti-Semitism among leftists. I didn't ask you to denounce Socialism, only anti-Semitism. And you won't even do that.

And we know you want your slave or indentured labor.

[OddBeMe]

I believe I said poor souls are antisemitic. But you’re too stupid to see nuance. And you keep disregarding my q that all Nazis and KKK are republicans.

[Avicenna]

Obviously they aren't. But you're either too dishonest or too dumb to realize how many anti-Semitic totalitarians there are in the Democratic Party. It speaks volumes that you refuse to denounce anti-Semitism. W

[Avicenna]

What you falsely claim is nuance is you actually trying to weasel out of seeing real, serious problems.

[OddBeMe]

No they are. Not all Repubs are kkk or Nazi, but all Nazi and kkk vote repub. PERIOD
www.azmirror.com/.../

[Avicenna]

You are in denial about the scale of anti-Semitism in the Democratic Party. And you won't denounce anti-Semitism.

[OddBeMe]

Sorry you were saying …
https://youtu.be/RPNE4HRXOVQ

[Snakeyes7]

Federal is most obvious, local depends on where you live.

[Sevenpointfive]

i think you mean state over local

[Massageman]

pervasive at all levels