Question for feminists: should the lifeboats on the Titanic have been filled with 50% women and 50% men?

[DextroShade]

Yes, I actually believe in equality!

No, I only believe in "equality" when it benefits women!

I am not a feminist and want to witness the hypocrisy!

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I would like to add that in the Titanic's day men were willing to lay down their lives for women because they had authority over and respect from them. Today things are very different so if I was on a sinking ship today and there weren't enough lifeboats I would kill everyone between me and the lifeboat or die trying. Modern women don't deserve to have men sacrifice their lives for them.

[Anonymous]

No women are more valuable. In every species the female is more valuable.

The man needs to sacrifice his life. The female egg is more valuable than the sperm. One man can impregnate multiple women in one day. It’s why males are more likely to sacrifice their life in war than a female. When a female is sent to war it’s way more tragic when she dies than it is for a man. This is why they don’t send women to war on the battlefield.

Women produce eggs only until the age of 40. Another reason the female egg is more valuable. It’s why they ask women to sell their eggs to help people start a family. Or they purchase a woman’s womb to grow someone’s fertile egg and seed.
Women are WAYYY more valuable in all aspects. It’s why Most Males of Most Species, they fight and literally kill eachother to obtain the female of their kind.

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Women are always at risk of death and complications at any time they become pregnant. Women get paid to have sex with undesirable men. Because the woman is the one who suffers pregnancy. AND IM NO FEMINIST. Not only pregnancy, she suffers any time she opens her legs to undesirable.

[Opinion Owner]

@dextroshade

Look at this picture, which one looks like it’s more valuable. The sperm or the egg?
HMMMMMM 🤔 I REALLY WONDER WHICH ONE IS MORE DESIRED AND VALUABLE…. I JUST can't FUCKING SEE IT..
I JUST… HMMM… THATS A HARD ONE…

Let look at this picture


I WONDER WHICH ONE IS MORE DESIRED? THE FEMALE OR THE MALE? 🤔🤔🤔HMMMMM …. I WONDER WHICH ONE IS MORE VALUABLE? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 I JUST DONT KNOW….

I really wonder which one is more vulnerable to predation and predators and danger. I wonder which one js physically weaker. I wonder which one is the one that produces milk for the offspring? I wonder which one gets more attention from the opposite sex? I really wonder which one?

[msmissydc]

What about having lifeboats available for as many people as onboard? Which would be the real solution. Yes 50/50 would be fine but i doesn't solve the actual problem. Fighting symptms and maing them into a hypocrisy for those supporting either side is what some people do best.
But funny how feminist haters always seek hypocrisy and being blind to the real problems that would benefit them aswell. They would rather be against something they dont understand than working together to work on real problems.

[inhua]

do tell us about these "real problems"?

[DextroShade]

Yes, we should talk about real problems like the increasing rates of suicide and homelessness among men but you probably just mean made up stuff like the repeatedly-debunked wage gap.

[findacure4wokeness]

@msmissydc Men don't have the supports that woman have available to them. It's not about taking away help for women, That's counter productive. It should be about equal amounts of help for men aswell.

[msmissydc]

Funny how the wage-gap is apperantly debunked while reports still say it's a thing. How can a thing be debunked and supported by statistics at the same time?

What kind of support do we have available? Yes I agree it should be equal and not making it only available for women but we need support in the first place for anyone.
Lets talk about rising suicide rates: a psychological problem which can be countered by taking these problems serious and not telling people to 'men up' or that these are not real. A problem feminists have been pointing out for a long time.

[DextroShade]

Statistics can be twisted to mislead as in the dase of the wage gap stat that only compares average male income versus average female income without taking anything else into consideration such as the type of job worked, hours worked, years of experience, degrees held, or payments made from men to women such as alimony and child support.

As for the increasing make suicide rate, it isn't because men are being told to "man up" because they have always been told that since the dawn of time, so this is just another feminist lie just like the way gap. The suicide rate is caused by the increase in single mother households, the decrease in well-paying blue collar jobs thanks to globalism, corrupt misandrist family courts divorce-raping men, and society's incessant demonization of men and masculinity.

[Stacey55666]

You have a very smart idea. The boat had 2,240 passengers on it, so they should of had enough lifeboats for everyone.

[msmissydc]

Which wage-gap are you talking about? Because one of them is exactly taking these things into account you say are ignored.
Yes you talk about real problems but these are not only concerning men but women as well (less paying blue collar jobs and problems caused by globalism)
What do you even mean with divorce-raping men?
Where is society demonizing men or at least more than women? Are you talking about toxic masculinity? Please tell me you actually know what that is because it is so rarely used right.

I even understand the part about family courts that is to an extend true but why should men be able to say they do or do not want the kid when women are forced to have one if one of both parties make a misstake. Men still have much more freedom when it comes to decisions about children.

Yes there where way less lifeboats on the ship than passengers but the titanic was supposed to be unsinkable. So why do something against a non real problem right? Kinda fits this discussion very well too. If the problem is not real why do something against it? This fits perfectly what some men try to tell feminists. The titanic fits perfectly into this scenario. They though it was unsinkable so why have lifeboats in the first place?

[inhua]

the wage gap myth uses out of context statistics. they go off by overall individual wealth rather than hours worked, the different types of jobs, the revenue generated and consumer debt

[msmissydc]

You still talk about the uncontrolled paygap. There is also a controlled variant. Both show different problems but specifically the controlled one shouldn't exist at all.

[msmissydc]

For the other person: You either know you are meant or you are not meant here. i won't @"you" as this would be deleted as "member post". I appreciate your support and I want to tell that to people too. Maybe you are even right but its not ours to judge. Be civil dont give them ammunition!
Giving in on hate with being hateful won't solve anything. It will just make it worse in the future.

[inhua]

yeah the controlled variant is the number of work hours and men on average work longer hours than women so they get paid more for the same job

that's not to mention more men take part in dangerous jobs that pay their employees higher

and when it comes to revenue-based jobs, men tend to bring in more revenue in certain areas and women tend to bring in more revenue in other areas

and even then women are responsible for 80% of all consumer debt. they spend more money than men do and not save up like men do hence why they tend to struggle financially more than men

[findacure4wokeness]

@Stacey55666 I think your missing the point with the life boat thing. what if a storm damaged and blew away half the lifeboats away and run the ship up across a reef tearing the hull. Shoulda, woulda, could've. Shit happens the situation remains who get the lifeboat and who is shark food. List the Most expendable to the lest out of boy, girls, men, women or some other bullshit genda.

[strateguy632]

to @msmissydc, content blind, time for women to read @emyywolf if a man said "men death more tragic" we are chauvinistic misogynistic etc. monsters but the feminists do write that. so who is blind. the agenda of feminism was never equalism but superior female. bye bye 7 points. but i sincere.

[Stacey55666]

@findacure4wokeness
I don't engage in your stupid gender wars.

[DextroShade]

When they looked at some companies like Google they found that the women were getting paid more than the men. The wage gap is dead.

[msmissydc]

@inhua Everysingle of your comments show that you have literaly no idea how the wage-gap staticstic works and you have been told that by some incel/mysoginists that explained it to you or you don WANT to understand it.

[msmissydc]

@strateguy632 I dont agree with what she is saying. She is explaining the biology side and that part is true but it doesn't make a valid point for the discussion in my opinion. But yes saying things like one gender is more important than another is hateful. Just be glad you are not told on a daylie basis that it is your gender that is less important because that is reality for most women.

[inhua]

the wage gap myth has been debunked so many times by so many people for so many years it's not even funny and you haven't explained anything

[inhua]

women aren't told they are less important. stories, movies, music all cater to women while bashing men. men on the other hand literally get treated like trash from domestic abuse cases to divorce losses to suicide rates to people even acknowledging their problems exist

[msmissydc]

@inhua Yes the same way flat earth has been proven. If you go to the ones neglecting science you can find a "proof" for anything. What is there to explain? You didn't explain anything either you just repeat the same statement over and over. Also its hard to explain something when the other person doesn't WANT to understand it. I literally explained you the difference between controlled and uncontrolled gender pay gap and you just ignored it. Why would I be interested in explaining something to someone who doestn want to understand it? I have better things to do in life.

[inhua]

the flat-earthers are people like you. always in denial of the facts and accusing everyone else of hating

[msmissydc]

@inhua hahaha yeah do you really belive this? I can't immagine someone actually believes this.
Where does mainstream media bash against men and not against women?
Than compare it to the movies where women are literally shown as sex objects and not plot relevant beside being a romantic interest or generally oversexualised?
Domestic abuse cases go wrong both ways. There is no clear way of knowing what really went on and women have the exact same problems.
People do acknowledge problems existing but not the ones being in power to do something against it. (which are 90% of the time men) They dont want to admit that something is wrong. This has nothing to do with men vs. women but with people in power vs. victims.

[msmissydc]

@inhua More like people like you. You kind of lack selfawerness do you?

[inhua]

[ Where does mainstream media bash against men and not against women? ]

oh where do we start? how about left-wing news media outlets like CNN, MSNBC, CBS? how about feminist shows like The View? fathers in sitcoms are portrayed as bumbling idiots. boy bands that sing songs to cater to female audiences while female artists like Taylor Swift and Cardi B are constantly bashing men

men are automatically assumed guilty of any crime committed against women until proven innocent and even then it doesn't stop feminists slandering innocent men may they be Johnny Depp or Kobe Bryant RIP

[ People do acknowledge problems existing ]

yeah people like me and many others. obviously not people like you because you refuse to believe men have issues as it goes against your patriarchy narrative

[findacure4wokeness]

@Stacey55666 I think you already have and lost.

[msmissydc]

@inhua Ok if you ignore what I say anyway than I dont have to continue talking to you. Continue living in your fantasy world where everything is bad and against you, Not sure why you would want to life in that fantasy though. If you are ok with having a conversation maybe we can continue, but that would require you to actually make senseful arguments and not use the same ones you use against everyone else. That doesn't work against someone normally wiling to have a conversation. You have a picture in your head and everything that doesn't fit into it is straight up ingored. If you dont see that sorry we dont have to continue, you can say that to someone else as well.

[inhua]

I don't need to use different arguments when my current arguments can not be argued against. and my arguments have stats, data and evidence to back them up

your only argument is dismissal and pretending everybody else is living in fantasyland when the evidence does not support your claims at all

but if you won't listen to me then perhaps you'll listen to the factual feminist Christina Hoff Summers as she debunks the wage gap myth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w

[findacure4wokeness]

In a perfect world I would say no. But they want Equality I say so I say yes. Equality is also about giving up privileges other wise it's just selfish entitlement and men aren't respected for that crap like they once were.

[Kaamraj]

If there were not enough lifeboats for every passenger aboard or armed guards then the men would have taken the seats first along with their wives and children. So the absolute losers would have been single women.

[strateguy632]

nice theory but they had a policy, probably even today, women first.

[Kaamraj]

The women and children first policy is also based on sexism but no one talks about it because it benefits women.

[wolfcat87]

Not really a feminist, but women are more important to the human race and saving women saves more lives. We've contributed more DNA historically according to geneticists. Many of the women on the Titanic were likely pregnant with how many children women had at the time. That makes their lives worth double. Putting children on boats should be a priority for similar reasons.

As an ex Fish and Wildlife employee once told me, a single buck can impregnate thousands of does. So, killing bucks doesn't do anything to bring down the population. Killing females does far more damage to the population of most species. That's why women and children are prioritized, they are what keep our species going and far more lives are at stake if they aren't prioritized.

Big picture stuff.

[YesterdaysChild]

There were a lot of children that died too, because they were immigrants and didn't have class stature. It was sad half the lifeboats were launched and not even full.

[strateguy632]

but what about the POLICY. the explanation of "1 male is enough for 5 females" is no longer relevant in a society of monogamy and abortion. it wasn't relevant back then either.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

I mean who would sit and count number of men and women whole saving them in freezing ocean and sinking ship.

When you are a victim of crisis your just a person not male or female save as many lives as possible will be the motto.

There is a lot of effort put to save a life , isn't every life precious that you saved?

If a moron sits and counts it's assured all their fates are going to end badly.

[strateguy632]

the SAME guy that only let lady on boat would. and who blocked men due to unequal policy.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Did this happen or hypothetically , because I find it hard to believe people would do that in real life crisis

[sheenagwapa]

not that i'm feminists but i just believe that women shouldn't be blind followers. i think women should be able to decide for themselves. we are all God's creation gifted with intelligence to discern what is right and wrong. this doesn't mean arrogance over males or beinh arrogant. this doesn't mean we do not recognize or value men's masculinity and their awesome traits as providers.

[Djaay]

A woman's value is only when she's a great helper to a man of his choice. A woman cannot value herself ever and neither can a mass of women declare empowerment or value as its only determined by one man of one woman and her declaration towards him. A woman isn't of any value period till a man says she is from her fortitude towards him or another man.

[elizamichale1]

I dont think men n women can be equal at all times or in all situations...

For a little while i was also like other feminists but someone made me understand the true meaning of it...

I also believe tht no one should be preferred over others whether woman or man when it comes to important things... but for petty things like giving ur seat to a girl isn't much of a deal i think...

[Anonymous]

dont think they should divide it by gender or favorize a gender over the other for that. think it's more age that matters. like save the kids, teens, 20 & 30 somethings first and have the older people sacrifice themselves since they've already lived long enough

if you have to decide based on gender i say 50/50, its not like anyone is super to anyone based on what parts they got so

[annabananna]

It should have been 100% men 100% children and 100% women. I don’t know how you chose who lives or dies but it was sad that they didn’t have enough lifeboats.

[strateguy632]

but who first? a boat sinking has a time limit? maybe more kids than adults can fit in any boat? more bodies. see my question here g. a. g about beds.

[annabananna]

If I was in a dire situation like that I’d probably pick kids and their parents first.

[abc3643]

Don't be an idiot.
It's very unbecoming and this question illustrates immaturity and idiocy.

Feminism is about respect and equal opportunity among the sexes. That's it. It has nothing to do with who should be on a fucking life boat.

[inhua]

nothing quite like claiming to support equality and justifying inequality at the same time and then having the audacity to gaslight those who don't fall for the bullshit lies

[abc3643]

@inhua Again, you are illustrating "Children should be seen, not heard."
Since you deserve a chance to read this and reply, I am giving you notice: Sometime after midnight F 18 AUG 2023 UTC, you will be blocked. Earlier if I find you annoying. I am muting this question.

[inhua]

I don't care if you block. only cowards block especially when their ideas and beliefs are challenged

go ahead and create an echo chamber for yourself if it helps you sleep at night

[strateguy632]

read @emyywolf what is more tragic. many more yhink that but know to hide it.

[DextroShade]

That you are offended by the question shows how much of a pathetic simp you are. The point of this question is to demonstrate that feminists only want equality when it benefits women. They want to vote, but they don't want to sign up for the draft; they want to be successful career women but still expect the men to pay for dates; they claim they want equality but as soon as shit gets life or death they demand priority. All while pathetic losers like yourself cheer them on and applaud their hypocrisy.

[inhua]

he truly thinks shame tactics, threats of blocking and repeating a bullshit lie are suppose to change the facts. this is why liberals are often treated as overgrown children. the moment their beliefs get challenged, they resort to slander and run away like cowards

[Juxtapose]

You will never see a feminist actually admit to this unless they are a pretty raging bigot.

[LimitedBenefits101]

Lol funny how that feminist from the hitler country completely avoided the question but then again what else do you expect from the feminist.

[jshm2]

You're aware it's a myth, right?

Reality is that in lifeboats they tend to stuff on whoever can get on.

[gothbxtch]

how about focusing on current issues, and the way the patriarchy effects men, women, and everyone else, instead of posting a “gotcha” question online about a tragedy that happened ages ago?

[DextroShade]

That you imply "the patriarchy" is a problem shows that you have no valuable insight here. If anything it's the lack of a patriarchy or at least men's spaces is the problem.

[Chris123432169]

Fair question

[EmyyWolf]

@DextroShade

@DextroShade

Look at this picture, which one looks like it’s more valuable. The sperm or the egg?
HMMMMMM 🤔 I REALLY WONDER WHICH ONE IS MORE DESIRED AND VALUABLE…. I JUST can't FUCKING SEE IT..
I JUST… HMMM… THATS A HARD ONE…

Let look at this picture


I WONDER WHICH ONE IS MORE DESIRED? THE FEMALE OR THE MALE? 🤔🤔🤔HMMMMM …. I WONDER WHICH ONE IS MORE VALUABLE? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 I JUST DONT KNOW….

I really wonder which one is more vulnerable to predation and predators and danger. I wonder which one js physically weaker. I wonder which one is the one that produces milk for the offspring? I wonder which one gets more attention from the opposite sex? I really wonder which one?

[Chris123432169]

Lol what’s your point?

[EmyyWolf]

should the lifeboats on the Titanic have been filled with 50% women and 50% men

NO JUST WOMEN AND CHILDREN LIKE THEY DID IT

[Chris123432169]

I think the point of the post is what happen to all of us being equal lol. I don’t think men should either but maybe u don’t see the point of the post lol….

[Chris123432169]

I don’t think men and women are equal but crazy feminist like to say that but than when the situation happens like the one mention here girls say what u just said it’s pretty funny lol

[EmyyWolf]

I’m not a feminist. I think the ASKER might want to date feminists. But the ASKER hate all women of all types in general because he’s an undesirable that doesn’t go to the gym

[Jersey2]

@EmyyWolf Using your logic of the egg being more important, then I would say the young women only along with the children. Women over 32 get a no as they are on the downward slide. It could be argued that women over 28 get a no. Then strong men but really most men as they can impregnate until late in life and can work to produce things and money. Lastly the very aged, those with deformities (Hitler-like here), mental conditions, the stupid, and then women over 28-32.

Or first come first served which I like.

[DextroShade]

@EmyyWolf wrong on both counts. I am married and my wife hates feminism. I never would have taken a feminist seriously either because they are toxic trash.

[Chris123432169]

@Jersey2 that’s a good point!! Hahha ima start using that very nice !!

[_piotr]

I think it was total discrimination of men.

[Bobbybopeep]

First come first serve

[Jersey2]

They would have saved the most people that way.

[BarryLiverstone]

Of course not. Why ask?

[strateguy632]

because people need reminders about policy and more.

[MissBoogus]

Women and children.

[Chris123432169]

That’s not why women don’t go to war the reason they don’t is they can’t perform like men lol

[MissBoogus]

@Chris123432169 what