- Anonymous(36-45)1 y
It starts with law enforcement who often arrive on these scenes, take one look at a man who is perhaps twice the size of his girlfriend/wife, and they laugh at the situation like "how can that little woman" do this to you. I mean, if the police don't even believe you or seek to help you, what hope have you in greater society? Generalizing here, but I think society as a whole thinks of women as things that need protection. If that above situation were reversed, they would be offering to drive her to a woman's shelter or a parents house or somewhere safe and arresting the man. There is no shame placed on her for not fighting back or for calling for help, but if a man punches back or asks for help, he rarely gets it or as much.
Though not quite the same thing, as this would be child abuse, but I had a friend in high school, 17 years old, who was being beaten by his mother. I'm not talking about a few taps here and there, she was taking a bat to him, and she broke his arm. At that point, I said to him, the police need to be involved. He would not have been taken away from his family as his sister who had moved out, was an adult who could have and would have easily taken him in, but he felt shame with his situation for some friggin' reason, and he like a lot of abuse victims, didn't want to stir the pot or make it worse, or get in his case, his mom in trouble. I think for men, there is this element of ego, where a man should be able to handle the situation, handle a woman, but abusive crazy people are just that---they don't need to be handled, they need to be in jail for what they are doing, because it doesn't get better. It takes one wrong move, and they could easily kill you.00 Reply
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They don't.
Unfortunately, though, patriarchal society makes advocating to protect male victims of domestic abuse a mock worthy thing because many men hold the mistaken impression that they can't be victims of abuse.
So many abused men gaslight themselves out of thinking they're abused, or accept their abuse "like a man".
Advocate for men's shelters where you live. Taking direct action will not only contribute to helping these men, but you'll feel better and be able to point to your work as a way you and others are providing support to the men who need it.11 Reply
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Feminism, specifically the insanely misandrist Duluth Model that police departments are trained in that says its always the man's fault, material facts be damned. I have heard stories of men calling these domestic abuse help lines and getting told they were the abusers! This is a big part of why I encourage men to fight back, specifically to use submission holds, since they are just going to assume you are the abuser anyway; if you are going to do the time you might as well do the crime.
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6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. There is absolutely a wide ranging network of support available for men. Maybe part of the reason there is less than there ought to be because men don't acknowledge anything that is there so too few use it thus driving down the appearance of demand? If we want to fix the problem we should be honest about it instead of milking a false narrative around it for moar victimhood..
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1.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. There's a lot of history here. Lets talk about the "One Woman" concept of the 1970's. In the 70's there was a statement that was bantered around feminist circles that said if ONE WOMAN was abused or raped it sent a message to ALL women, and it was a tool of the <patriarchy> (a modern term but the concept was the same) to control women. In other words that domestic violence was a tool used by men as a form of social control.
This was codified into a system called the "Duluth Model" of domestic violence. It assumes a female victim and male perpetrator. This model was created by a feminist think tank, and became the base model for law enforcement training, the courts, domestic violence hotlines and shelters. In other words the concept of "one woman" was ipso facto codified into the legal system.
Further, the idea of male victims was an attack on the concept of "one woman" as it implied that it was more a psychological issue that is not a gendered violent act. Feminists fought hard to suppress and change the narrative going even so far as to threaten the life of the creator of the first domestic abuse shelter for saying that "men could be victims too." (She was driven out of England under threats for her and her family's safety). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey
Feminists have even lied to congress saying that "There is no evidence of widespread male victims" while quoting Erin's book that clearly stated that there was. Further there are a whole bunch of shelters, councilors, victim advocates and hotlines that exist because of the Duluth model. Lots of people's income, grant money etc. So there is a large group of people that feel that the truth (That most domestic violence is reciprocated and the cases where it's not are primarily (60%) perpetrated by women - (PMC survey an domestic violence)) directly threatens their livelihood. So again we see a change of narrative, things like "pre-emptive self defense" come into play (she hit him because he was going to hit her), and many abuse hotlines that will only classify men as abusers.
Further US government funding for domestic abuse is tied to the office of protection of women and children (https://www.justice.gov/ovw ) which is statutorily forbidden from funding male shelters or supporting male victims. (Remember the lie I spoke about earlier, that's how this office was enacted, by that set of congressional hearings).
Okay TLDR: Feminists intentionally and institutionally made it that way.
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Normal people do not tolerate or accept abuse against anybody regardless of age or race or gender, it's just some do not know that a male is being abused because they have a bias that favours females over males. It's important to provide evidence and help spread awareness when a male tries to leave this type of relationship and help him get custody of the kids.
10 Reply - Anonymous(25-29)1 y
Gosh, so many incel men on this site complaining like women. News flash, women and men are not equal. The number of domestic abuse caused by men vs. inflicted to men is incredibly unbalanced, where you hear 50 stories of a man abusing a woman, you’ll hear.. maybe.. one story of a man being abused by a woman. If the number were more balanced then obviously there wouldn’t be such a skewed viewpoint of it, but it isn’t.
I see it like this. Most, over 95% of school shooters are white male. It’s expected, it’s regular to assume the shooter is a white male. If out of 99 white school shooters, one is an Asian man, does that drastically change the fact that most school shooters are white men? No it doesn’t. But in the mind of an ignorant extremist, it does. And that’s what the men on this site are. Ignorant extremists.
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Also, blame your fellow man for labeling any type of brute force, a masculine trait. Women who abuse men are labeled masculine by media and beyond. In fact, it is quite masculine for a woman to abuse a man. It’s not a fair playing ground that men and women can fight with equal strength. I’m 5’2” and 100 pounds. So for you to say that make and female abuse should be celebrated equally is not only deflecting from the problem of domestic violence against women that is REALLY REAL, but trying to coddle your own inferiority complex because women are openly speaking on injustices. It’s always a “whataboutism” when an ignoramus can't get their way.
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You know you are correct, the ratio of men and women who are victims of domestic violence is incredibly unbalanced. If we ignore reciprocal violence (60% of all domestic violence is man and women beating on each other) the remaining domestic violence is a whopping 60% of all domestic violence is FEMALE perpetrated. In other words men are the PRIMARY victims of domestic violence (PMC survey on domestic violence)
- Opinion Owner1 y
@Anpu23
ncadv.org/STATISTICS
trueselfhealinggroup.com/statistics-on-domestic-violence
www.who.int/.../violence-against-women
Here are 3 sources to disprove your comment, friend. As well as myself, who has been a victim of abuse by my father, as well as sexually molested as a child multiple times. Now, if you have a source for your information besides out of your ass What ll gladly take what you have into consideration.
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Psychiatric news, and refering to the study by the CDC psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/.../pn.42.15.0031a
Jezibells response to that survey
jezebel.com/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have-294383
and the CDC's study in abstract www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/ - Opinion Owner1 y
@Anpu23 I appreciate your links, but I want to show you how easy it is to write an article based on personal opinion and call it legitimate. Let’s argue, the earth is flat. And here’s my proof.
amp.theguardian.com/.../earth-totally-flat-conspiracy-bob
https://thinkmagazine.mt/the-earth-is-flat/
Since I have articles I’ve read, despite the overwhelming proof in real time that the earth is round, including plenty of testimony from actual people who have been to outer space, the facts are wrong right? The earth is flat, according to these articles.
Same with your argument. What’s next, women sexually assault men more than women? Lol. I can only assume you’re being beaten by your wife since you have this point of view.
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Actually no, Im a rape victim. Not of domestic violence. And are you saying that the CDC is fabricating information? Or that the feminist icon Jezibell has somehow been deceived. Or that the. gov site is itself a fraud? I get that the information is new and contradictory to established ideas. A lot of the established data is based on arrest and conviction statistics which are screwed by the Duluth Model. I also know that a lot of very influential people and groups would like that this study buried. Further there are also a lot of justifications for this, its been criticized a lot. But the study stands, published by the CDC.
- Opinion Owner1 y
@Anpu23 Oh, boo hoo. You were a rape victim? Let me guess, a woman violated you, correct? That’s always how it goes. So you’re trying to prove to me that men suffer from domestic violence more than women? Okay, let’s see here.. so from the sources I sent you, vs. yours, they both had differing opinions. What makes yours more factual than mine, might I ask? Wouldn’t NCADV, the National Center for Abuse and Domestic Violence have the most accurate numbers for abuse? What are the sources for the site Jezebel. com? Also, the CDC? You mean the Center for Disease Control? LOL. That’s like taking mental health statistics from The Deparment of Motor Vehicles.
Also, I read the Jezebel. com article. First of all, the source provided that “70% of women beat their boyfriend” is not a national statistic. It is a study that was supposedly done by an independent researcher, whereas my source, is a national statistic from the Domestic Violence hotline themselves. Fake news.
Like I said, we can go source for source. You don’t want to accept the facts that women are more likely to be abused by a man. Same with raped. Same with murdered. Same with molested. Same with sexually exploited. Same with targeted by a pedophile.
You seem like the type to argue against the literal fact that all mass school shooters and pedophiles are more than majority white male. Even though it is clearly in your face, seen very often and well documented, you don’t like that it goes against you as a person so you will do whatever you can to prove it isn’t right, even if it means being delirious in the process.
theconversation.com/who-is-perpetrating-domestic-sexual-and-family-violence-192606
amp.theguardian.com/.../domestic-private-violence-women-men-abuse-hbo-ray-rice
And let’s say, women were more violent in relationships. Can you explain why men amount to over 90% of rape molestation and sexual assault cases? Or is that number equal to.
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"Can you explain why men amount to over 90% of rape molestation and sexual assault cases?"
Actually yes I can. When you exclude rape by envelopement of course men rape more than women. As both the crime statistics and and most studies preclude most sexual assault cases perpetrated by women.
But thats neither here nor there. We're talking about domestic violence. And when it comes to DV it would appear that there is some dispute as to statical averages. My source is the Centers For Disease control, and their studies on intimate partner violence. Their study is well documented and their methods are quite convincing. As for any statistic based on arrest, conviction or the Duluth Model it's skewed by methodology.
And no, you are quite incorrect as to the nature of my attack. Lets not hijack his thread over this. - Opinion Owner1 y
@Anpu23 Like I said, I’ll take the statistics of the literal company that handles domestic abuse over any other source you have to provide. It would be one thing if the source were from the Domestic Violence Division but it isn’t.
Anyways, my point stands and will continue to stand. If you are being abused by your wife, I do hope you will get help. Let’s hope statistically you don’t rape her as a defense (seeing that’s what men do best)
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Blame feminism, they are only interested in women being victims of crime and men being the perpetrators. I see politicians in the UK speak about domestic abuse and the make a point of saying they are only speaking for the women.
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This is still a taboo but I strongly believe men suffer from domestic violence more than we think.
20 Reply Because we live in a world where nobody gives a damn about men and our struggles. If anything, they're more interested in adding to our struggles than solving them, and only focusing women's issues.
00 Reply2.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. men are disposable and expendable in society
can't point this shit out without being labeled a sexist, misogynist, incel, whiny, crybaby, loser, bigot, white supremacist, Nazi etc.
00 Reply792 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. If the woman I'm serving chooses to beat that ass, under absolutely no circumstances will I ever complain or threaten her with the authorities, because she is the ultimate authority.
00 Reply2.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I can post a dozen different pictures of marks on my face. She wanted me in jail because she could no longer change my behavior.
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Are you a victim of domestic violence and abuse?
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Being single is better than being married to a abusive woman.
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For some marriage makes him or her a better person, for some marriage makes them worse.
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Never in my life have I supported nor will I support a woman.
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Because regardless of the games and fantasies the American culture tries to play on the world a woman is the weaker sex. Basic biologically if you haven't figured that out grow some balls see a Dr about low T
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because we live in a misandrist society.
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Misandrist mindset is not good for the society.
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yeah it's not good and that's why most western societies are dying out with birth numbers below 2 in pretty much every western society.
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Yes, absolutely! How do we change it? What is the solution?
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2 things. one: the central bank has to stop printing money like crazy AND we have to support core families. meaning we should strengthen the reputation of fathers and mothers instead of trying to forget what a woman and a man even is.
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Nice! Also Ban abortion and stop hiring women for all types of jobs. China has stopped hiring women.
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naw. i disagree there. certain conditions make it impossible for a women to survive a pregnancy. also rape is a thing, so i think it should not be "easily possible" but also not just straight up banned. regulation is key.
banning women in the work force will make things WAY worse, cause the only reason women even started working in the first place is that the single breadwinner model was invalidated by rampant inflation outrunning the incremental wage increase over time significantly over the course of many decades now.
so now the dual breadwinner model is more popular not "cause women are now equal". but because most families litterally can not financially survive otherwise. - 1 y
i think what could help would be putting a heavy penalty on divorce or separation. because single parenthood is really terrible. specially female single parents fuck children up. and that's not at all misogynistic to say. it's a fact very well known in social science.
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I agree with you. Ban abortion and women in workforce for few years not forever. Let's observe the positive and negative effects on the society.
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again. banning women from the work force will reduce the ammount of children extremely, cause people simply can not afford it anymore. you have to increase wages and reduce inflation before that can make sense and my argument is: if you decrease inflation and increase wages, you don't need to ban women from the workforce. they will automatically stop wroking and start rising children, cause that's what they do when men earn enough money.
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Controlling inflation and increasing wages is the need of the hour. But who will do this? Again women will continue to work, again women will delay marriage and pregnancies. Population decline will never stop.
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well as i said. the central bank has to stop printing money to stop the rampant inflation that causes women to be FORCED to work if the family wants to survive. so that is the issue in my opinion. maybe even subsidize having children. take some of the defense money away and invest that into families. cause that's in a sense also a military spending, cause a military needs soldirs.
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Sounds good! When is this going to happen? Who will do this?
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I don't know but it's so wrong.
10 Reply 2.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Double standards
10 Reply20.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Nobody thinks that men can get abused.
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Because no one gives a shit about men.
00 Reply - Anonymous(25-29)1 y
Because men are treated as disposable
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