Gals, how do you feel about the Incels, MGTOW, Tradwife movements?

[OddBeMe]

Basically, you should be controlled by men, is how I see these people’s thesis.

[inhua]

there's nothing wrong with not living a life that is determined by the gynocentric society and forcing one to need female validation to exist

perhaps it's not a crime anymore for men not to get married or needlessly sacrifice their life for a society that doesn't give a shit about them

I don't know where you get this delusion about control when society has been trying to control men for decades through peer pressure and shame tactics from both the left wing feminist side and the right wing traditional side

[Drewtate]

I'm not sure incel is really a thing, more of an insult flung around. MGTOW are generally older guys that have been hurt by women or younger guys who can't get women and in both cases when they meet women that ends.

I'm sure exactly what the tradwife movement is but certainly most single guys are looking out for a woman with traditional values when it comes to marriage and kids.

[DarkLegacy]

Incel is an insult that is used too much these days for anyone disagreeing with a woman

[Drewtate]

@DarkLegacy exactly

[OddBeMe]

Why would you look for a trad wife?

[Drewtate]

Maybe you don't want your kids raised by nannies, babysitters, daycare and teachers.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

The same way I feel about any movement trying to control any group of people. Fucking gross. Leave them alone.

[DarkLegacy]

Yes the worse ones being the BLM, LGBT and feminist movements.

[OddBeMe]

@DarkLegacy trying to control your fate is different than pushing you views onto others.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@DarkLegacy lol yes, the movements against black and queer people and women are definitely among the worse. Luckily there's also movements in support of those people, like the ones you mentioned, which are fighting back against the ones trying to control them. :)

[DarkLegacy]

No those movements i mentioned are trying to control people especially the feminist movements.

[DarkLegacy]

@OddBeMe all of those groups are trying to push their views onto others, typical woke hypocrisy

[DarkLegacy]

The BLM trying to ban everything British culture saying it is racist, British culture goes first in the UK, they are racist. Femnism is just about trying to dictate to men about how they can talk to women look at women or how to even be around women

[OddBeMe]

@DarkLegacy they’re trying to make you black and gay?

[DarkLegacy]

Pathetic comeback

[OddBeMe]

@DarkLegacy so them annoying you is pushing their beliefs on you? Fcking snowflakes.

[DarkLegacy]

They are not annoying, they are trying push their beliefs onto me by trying to ban things that i like just because they find them racist. Ever since the BLM arrived here in the UK it has tired to change street names, ban films, books and comedies that are racist and even try and ban racist drinks. They are another American organisation trying to rub out everything British.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@DarkLegacy you're upset that some things are being changed to not be racist anymore, and there's stricter sexual assault/harassment laws for everyone? How strange. I know I said "try to control a group of people," but by that I didn't mean like, making laws against bad stuff. Like the law "no murder" isn't bad bc it control what people can do. But if it was something that doesn't hurt anyone, like not tying your shoelaces, then that would be bad to make a law against it. You know? Especially if there was a specific group of people that that law would negatively effect much more than everyone else. Unlike murder laws, which effect everyone.

Racist things hurt people of the race they're racist against, so changing them to be not racist is good. It doesn't hurt people to NOT be racist. Same with feminism. It doesn't hurt men to NOT harass or assault women. And the laws also help men who may be victims get justice, rather than the old laws that said men can't be victims. It helps stop a bad thing that effects everyone, not hurt people by stopping an ok thing that a specific group of people do. That's why a law to stop sexual harassment is good, while a law that women can't vote is bad. For example.

[DarkLegacy]

You talking in riddles, but if i look across the street at a woman then that is not harassment, if i walk so fast i end up standing too close to women then that is not harassment, i do not know what the law is where you are but here in the UK a law has been past saying it is sexual harassment if i stand to close to a woman.

As for racism, no person that has or ever will live on this planet is gonna tell me that i cannot participate in activities that uphold my culture. To do otherwise is racist. If i want to read a book, or watch a comedy i will. The world of equality does not revolve around black, lgbt or women.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@DarkLegacy lol you can't get charged for standing next to a woman, unless you actually are harassing her. Like by standing very close to her and following her and not going away when she asks. Sure you agree that following someone around or standing very very close to them and refusing to leave, or even blocking them in a corner or from the door so they can't leave, would be harassing them? Especially if it goes on for a while and they don't stop? That's what rules like that are for. They aren't for someone on their phone accidentally bumping into a woman bc they weren't looking where they were going. You won't get in trouble for something like that.

Of course you can participate in culture shit! That's fine. As long as your culture isn't hurting other people. That's bad. Like murder again, if someone's culture includes for example, honor killings. Those still shouldn't be allowed. Bc they're bad and hurt people. As long as ur culture is fine and not hurting anyone, of course you're free to do whatever you want! :) as should everyone else be. That's one reason racism is bad, it often attacks cultures of people who are different races, and tries to stop those people from practicing their cultures even when it's perfectly fine and doesn't hurt anyone. And just like it would be bad to stop you from practicing ur non-harmful culture, it would also be bad to stop other people from practicing their non-harmful culture.

[DarkLegacy]

Nothing about British culture is harmful, and women need to man up

[GOLDFISH_smile]

@DarkLegacy great! Then go ham, i don't give a shit what you do if it's not harmful.

And if by "man up" you mean "tolerate suspicious and threatening behavior so they don't hurt the man's feelings or get him in trouble" no they fucking don't. That's how women get stalked and murdered. Sorry. And if by "man up" you mean "just beat the shit out of anyone who's a dick to you" then what's the point of living in society? If we can't solve problems in a civilized way? Women don't want to hurt men. They just want to not be hurt by men. If you're upset that new laws are needed for that, then be upset at the men who made those laws necessary. Nor the women who are just trying to deal with their shitty situation without resorting to violence or just rolling over like doormats.

[mandyfire98]

Any group solely fueled by hate and insecurity I think is pathetic.

[genericname85]

mgtow is about "men going their own way". or in other words "men not living a life determined by women". it takes immense mental gymnastics to twist that to be about "men controlling women". not that i am mgtow but what you just said isn't right.

[OddBeMe]

It takes mental gymnastics to think life is determined by women.

[genericname85]

Well your life is gonna be determined in parts by your partner. That's how partnership works.

[OddBeMe]

Ok…sure same for jobs, parents, etc. Are mgtow’s just monks who live underground?

[genericname85]

I don't know man. xD all i'm saying is that mgtow is about men "going their own way". it's litterally in the name. the movement isn't about controlling other people.

[OddBeMe]

Cool, do what you want. No mgtow, that I know, started shooting up school yards. So I’m not attacking you.

I’m just asking logical Qs about your movement. Tho it may sound rough. I apologize. But I guess it just sounds like a “Unabomber, move to a. shack in the woods and give up on people” type life. OR it’s actually BS and just a label to feel better whilst you still lust after romance.

[genericname85]

i don't know about them shooting up school yards. first time i heard about it. i don't feel attacked anyway, cause i'm not mgtow :D

[OddBeMe]

Cool, I’m saying no mgtow (proclaimed anyway) has shot up school yards. Or churches or Walmarts. But proclaimed incels have. So I don’t have any real problem with mgtow…. except logical.

So you’re not either. But you think women and feminism are the problem? Not men?

[genericname85]

yeah some school shooters have played ego-shooter videogames. does that mean videogames have anything to do with the fact that the person decided to round up his school? i think there's more pressing real world issues in the personal environment and communities of these people.

i think feminism is as dumb as mgtow. i see nothing wrong with wanting a traditional relationship tho. and i think it's just nonsense to label these preferences with these things just to color them in a bad light.

[OddBeMe]

Well.. firstly, psychopaths are usually made through upbringing. Regardless of any reasoning the proclaim like inceldom or feminism. And so many play violent video games it doesn’t cause violence.

Second, feminism isn’t the opposite of tradition. Unless you think the traditions of patriarchy should be kept.

What made you hate feminism so much? I talk to so many guys who have individual defintions of feminism (one guy said marxism lol) and they’re so angry at feminism. I don’t get it.

[Snakeyes7]

Incels are the only "terrorist movement" that no one wants to be a part of, by definition.

[OddBeMe]

That is funny. But I think they get off on the community. They egg shooters on and say “be like Eliot Roger! We’ll memorialize you!”

[Snakeyes7]

What you mean Alec Minassian whose motivation was thought to be like that but his laywers said that it was out of stress in a new job, not about not having love, affection and companionship of a woman?

[OddBeMe]

His lawyers will say anything. Prosecution will say anything. What did he say? I read about tha Canadian van incel attack. He was deep in the hole and everyone there was egging him on.

Like child soldiers in Uganda.

[Snakeyes7]

I don't really remember much beyond that. However, I do find the accusation that these incels seek to kill women interesting as women are usually the minority of the people who are killed in these attacks.

[OddBeMe]

So because the attackers are idiots and aren’t good at attacking we shouldn’t worry about incels?

[Snakeyes7]

No, in fact they are far more likely to kill themselves than others.

[OddBeMe]

Well “more likely” sure. We can both guess. But I think most likely, they’ve egged someone on to shoot up a school yard. Or talked about how hard they get stroking their guns.

But yes suicide is a big issue. Not sure why gun nuts aren’t for less suicide machines being available.

[Snakeyes7]

Are you sure you aren't taking about the FBI or literally any other three-letter government organization?

They have been caught doing both of those things. The FBI have been the ones behind the entrapment of those who want to kidnap the governor of Michigan and they want to take other people's guns away while they have no problem using their own. Quite possibly be behind J6 because Ray Epps has been caught waving people into the capitol.

Because the purpose guns serve all weighs on the user. It is this reason why we haven't banned cars even though they been used as weapons since their creation.

[OddBeMe]

Quite possibly and not really no. There is no evidence of vast FBI conspiracies. They weren’t even good at going after left wingers under Hoover. And that we have evidence for.

[Snakeyes7]

However according to Newsweek, the FBI has just declared Trunp supporters as terrorists too.

Why? I guess it is because they are sick of the government:
-spying on civilians,
-taxing the shit out of them
-wasting that money on things that are of no benefit to the US
-destroying the economy so the money they are left with after the mafia gets its cut is even more worthless
-wiping their ass with the Bill of Rights
-needlessly creating tension between the races, sexes etc (which was why they only threw Harrison Floyd, the leader of Blacks for Trump, in jail and cited that he was a flight risk, as if Trump with all of his private jets isn't a flight risk www.nbcnews.com/.../judge-denies-bond-only-trump-co-defendant-held-jail-rcna101905),
-constantly looking for reasons to send Americans to fight
-constantly looking for reasons to send waves of panic among the people so that they would foolishly give their rights away
-letting Antifa and BLM rip and tear through civilians and their property while arresting anyone who tries to stop them with a smile on their face
- Stop leaving the border wide open and treat immigration properly
And more

Wow, how threatening to democracy right?

[OddBeMe]

Or because they kill people like that girl in Charlottesville and those Capitol Hill cops.

[Snakeyes7]

By that logic, BLM and Antifa should have been labeled terrorists nearly a decade ago, but no they are the left's precious foot soldiers whose "peaceful protests" have killed dozens of people and did $2 Billion or more in damages in 2020 alone. When brought up they were dismissed as "just an idea".

You really think those morons in Charlottesville were right wing? Nazism is socialism, just with the Jews being narratively presented as the opressors instead of the bourgeois like communism. In fact, the left advocates for a combination of these beliefs, the only difference is that the Jews aren't the scapegoats this time. That is to say if they are even Nazis and not paid actors.

You are also making quite the number of assumptions based on something we haven't had a trial for yet. I something is fishy about the people who were rioting that day.

So go ahead and arrest those who were violent in those days, they don't represent those who vote for Trump.

In fact, I'd even go as far as to say that every single Trump supporter is a terrorist, even if it is true that both Charlottesville and J6 were grassroots Trump supporters and has no glow-in-the-dark influence whatsoever, violates the Geneva convention and if this is acted upon they would have committed a war crime because the convention specifically mentions that collective punishment is forbidden.

But this is the establishment we are talking about a day when they haven't committed a war time is like a day without sunshine.

[Snakeyes7]

I mean think about it, you would have to be going after half of the country.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Positively. These movements are symptoms of a greater problem and is predominantly a western symptom. If women were experiencing the same issue in some way shape or form then society would change everything to cater to "spinsters"

[OddBeMe]

Don’t spinsters exists? I would bet more than incels. The prob is they don’t fcking kill people.

[disgustingweebtrash]

Not by any larger amount than incels olus plus isn't "spinster" an offensive term to call a single woman but incel is not? You may deny it for your own agenda but I've certainly come across characters that find that term offensive. That should speak for itself

[slatyb]

Sad little men.