I think those movements are the end product of a culture that create broken women and men that will eventually get hurt in life and embrace ideologies like Feminism and MGTOW. People are ill-prepared for adult life.
Instead of blaming/hating/distrusting each other's gender, men and women should stop drinking the cultural poison of Western society: hedonism, nihilism, individualism, materialism and consumerism. Replace those filthy values with honour, self-respect and basic decency, and your life will never be miserable.
Men: you can't complain about women if you don't know how to behave properly or you are an effortless jerk who ignores women's needs, only cares about himself and spends all time watching p*rn and sports, cheating and getting fatter.
Women: you can't complain about men if you see them either as walking cash machines or easy dick. Stop thinking you can give them your worst and expect the best without making your own life miserable and filling groups like MGTOW with the men you will hurt.
Without feminism women wouldn't be able to vote, drive cars, work outside of the home if they chose, own property, have credit in our name, a chance at getting paid close to what a man makes, we could be let go from a job if we got pregnant, we wouldn't have as many girls sports teams in schools because only boys sports were financed, we wouldn't had laws put into place that protect women in court when they got to court for rape cases.
it comes down to treating people with respect and not wagging fingers at each other. Toxicity comes from the lack of coping skills to deal with interpersonal relationships which make come from the breaking down of community. Focus on rebuilding community versus polarizing ourselves by male or female or ideologies and we will be in good shape and not to judging each other on preconceived ideas we have of each other.
Post Note: Technology can be used to unite or it can be used to divide.
I'm gonna have to debunk that. Men didn't exactly ask to vote or have to drive in the first place. That time when there was no online services and the government system was crappy, people have to line to vote and matriarchy just decided not to so majority wins, men have to vote to bring honor to their family. Most women back then don't wanna vote, drive or even work outside and it has nothing to do with discrimination. Wanna talk about discrimination? Then talk about men having to die in wars and be treated like trash and seen as worthless for being a house husband. Now that there are better technology and systems, it's easier for everyone to work, drive and vote. Women working and men can finally rest. "Post Note: Technology can be used to unite or it can be used to divide." <-- exactly when the power of leverage ended. And it's because of technology why feminism started and their idea of "I don't need a man in my life" because they have technology now but lets ignore the fact that majority of them are made by men so women can be more free and men can have more rest.
@Aiko_E_Lara feminism started in the early 1900s. It isn't recent. I don't need a man is a very recent mantra not how it started. Look up Hedy Lamarr. Her work during WWll led to the technology you are using now.
Also when the industrialised world is starting. Also known as the industrial age where technology is developing. It still the majority wins that majority of women choose not to vote or drive and even look down on men who don't drive and vote for the family. When a lot of women wanted to vote back then you don't also consider that a lot of men also wanted to be a house husband. Also there are a few women who are working outside also known as single women. And it is their choice if they want to get married or not but the real reason why they are safeguarded and protected it's because they are the only ones who can give birth and it's easier to repopulate the earth with more women then with more men as men can impregnate hundreds of women and father thousands of kids but the other way around that's why they are disposable for your information.
This new wave ideology does not align with our natural ways. Men dominated because they naturally do so. Women naturally do submit to men and it's not sexist to say so. It's how we've evolved. Our closest living relative is the Chimpanzee, take notes on them.
no one's asking you to. Live your life how you want. But understand that by and large that's the natural order of things. We can debate it all day but it doesn't change these thing.
it shows why so many men have chosen to remain single in a more that would seemingly have "more equality". Granted it's skewed heavily in favor of women now, in an unnatural process.
except it had and now it's worst than ever. Less people are happy, men lack direction or motivation, suicide is at an all time high, more people are popping pills to get by, birthrates have plummeted, 1 in 2 marriages fail, everyone is living in a hedonistic society. It lacks order and stability for the long term and it will fall and much sooner than some people might expect. In the end strength wins out. Nature always wins at the end of the day.
see you dont understand men then. We dont give 2 shits about "success" in a woman. Men are only successful to attract mates. If she's successful he's not going to be able to impress her as much. We want a girl who is attractive and treats us well, and doesn't argue with us. You say men should take notes? Why bother if the women around us aren't worth our time in our eyes?
You’re right. While there are a few nuggets of traditional advice here and there that we can adhere to, we have to look at what successful millennials are doing.
today 1 in 2 marriages fail and it could be 2 years down the line or 20 years down the line. As of right now? I'd say there are no successful millennial couples. They haven't been around long enough to get accurate data on them. My grandparents were from the Greatest Generation and i think that's probably the last one I actually have respect for as a generation. They were married for 58 years.
I’ve been happily married for 13 years at 36. That’s already more than I can say my my parents and grandparents. I see exactly what a lot of people are doing wrong. I decided to make it my study. That’s a big part of why I’m here.
My parents were married for 18 years and they had a brutal divorce that scarred all of the kids in that family. It's not a success unless you've died married together. For me, it's not happening. I'm not a betting man that gambles away his belongings. I dont trust ANY woman like that lol.
Has nothing to do with self improvement. Trust is a foolish gamble for the so called "reward" at the end that pretty much gives on party nothing and the other everything if things go south. Sounds like a very poor investment.
my life experience has taught me otherwise. The consequences have probably much more harsh for me than you. Most likely as a result of gender. The self reliant dont need others to feed and cloth themselves. So it's really all a matter of the added luxuries in life that one would invest trust into. But as a woman it's easy for you to lecture on it. You dont get screwed by the system like the men. That's why it's an irrelevant perspective. You are the beneficiary.
I’ve had some struggles in life too. I’ve had my softer side taken advantage of by predators of different kinds. I’ve benefited by the work I’ve put in to studying humans and staying one step ahead of those with ill intentions.
I despise feminism. All of it. First wave included.
MGTOW... I get where their coming from but that’s not the solution. They have completely legit complaints but their solution is silly. Yeah... give up sex and live a lonely life. Screw that. Instead of just being very careful to find a conservatively minded girl with traditional values and vetting her carefully?
I also think most MGTOW guys couldn’t get a girl in a 10 cent whorehouse. It’s like a crippled guy saying he’s boycotting participating in Track and Field. Kinda ineffective and hard to take seriously.
"Yeah... give up sex and live a lonely life" ^That is just "Monk Mode". It has nothing to do with the MGTOW philosophy. MGTOW can and do have sex, Monks do not, and incels are not MGTOW and you are conflating the two. Time to read up, not from a feminist or left wing source. Go to Better Bachelor on youtube and then talk about it.
Think before you speak. I know the difference between MGTOW and Incels. I’m saying a lot of guys in MGTOW either can’t figure out how to get a girl or can't get one worth keeping. I’m saying some of them are involuntarily celibate but don’t seem to think that’s the case or realize it.
Many MGTOW espouse having nothing to do with women period. I can absolutely understand concerns about marriage and/or relationships with things as they are in western society. However due to false rape claims, possible pregnancy and other issues sleeping around can be just about as dangerous as having a girlfriend or a wife. So many MGTOW go monk because of this. You are aware of this right?
Before you suggest anyone read up on anything you might take your own advice.
The solution to the problems are many. Yes. Red Pill philosophy being taught in mass will help. We have generations of feminized boys who’ve been taught to view sex and relationships from the female perspective only. Education is a start. Another solution is a return to traditional society. Another is not legally marrying. For the religious such as myself who see sex as permissible only in marriage, perhaps having a commitment ceremony rather than a legal marriage is a solution. She can’t take half and knowing she doesn’t have her hypergamy prefinanced via alimony and taking half of a man’s wealth will go a long way towards both curbing this behavior in women (which admittedly I tend to see far more of in women than men) as well as protecting men from a legal system that is geared to strip them of their wealth and children and give them to a woman.
As always a society following God will greatly correct much of these problems, but we’ve walked away from God and are now incurring God’s judgment... much of which you see in the streets rioting. That is a society filled with whinny fake narcissistic victims who are entitled enough to destroy large sections of cities and commit vile deeds based on an alternative religion (woke).
"I’m saying a lot of guys in MGTOW either can’t figure out how to get a girl..." No you see, that's already impossible. "I’m saying some of them are involuntarily celibate but don’t seem to think that’s the case or realize it." NO that's not how it works dude. You can't be an Incel and be MGTOW. Incels can't walk away from women because women weren't even on the table for them. There are MGTOW posers that aren't real MGTOW that are incels, yes. But that's not MGTOW, it can't be because MGTOW is a philosophy and lifestyle in which the criteria of an incel's life doesn't exist. If sex and women aren't even a possibility it's not MGTOW. You can only be MGTOW if you have the option on the table still. And even then many MGTOW will date casual, just not put a ring on it. MGTOW agree and most would date again if no fault divorce was lifted, alimony was removed from existence, and child custody was 50/50 across the board.
God clearly defined the role of women, and clearly stated wives are to submit to husbands. That wives are helpers to their husbands, not the head. There was a time (from the greatest generation going back) where men were undisputedly the head of the house. Women had a role in society as did men. This was true in America which is a secular country. Not all of the country was devoutly religious, yet that is how society was. I saw it first hand in both my maternal and paternal grandparents relationships. In the 60’s with 2nd wave feminism everything changed. Today everything pertaining to men and masculinity is bad, and everything pertaining to women and femininity is good. Society was normal once. It’s possible to have it be so again. The fastest solution is a return to traditional society and traditional views and a society that honors and follows God will expedite that, but admittedly it can be done without religious influence. It would just be more difficult. The other solution is to wait until society totally collapses and then rebuild part or all of society as it used to be, and until then fight on.
MIGTOW has good ideas to protect men from the licensed and condoned evil women are wholesalely permitted to engage in both in consent and legally. It won’t however put a stop to the larger problem which is communist/socialist/Marxist revolution which through feminism has gained control of the legislature and schools. Much of these things have been made law by feminists or feminists being in political positions to promote the feminist agenda. That has licensed vile behavior from women. Conservative values and fear of God are the solutions not boycotting women. That will only help to an extent.
Dude you’re getting way too wrapped up in labels. There are different levels of MGTOW. Some fully avoid women. Some will sleep around but reject marriage and relationships. The overall philosophy is the same throughout MGTOW but it varies depending on the individual lay persons outlooks and preferences.
So again. You read up on it. There are different levels of MIGTOW.
Yes I know all these things and agree with all these things. I was just clarifying that Incels cannot by the Philosophy and definition be MGTOW. That's all I was saying. I've given up on religion because its given up on me. The Church has failed me many, many times. So now I do embrace some spirituality but it's not of the one you refer to. Your God is peaceful and we require a different god, one that can purge the wickedness. Mars is the god we need atm.
Incel is a self prescribed label. I’m sure some guys in MGTOW are like: “well of women won’t sleep with me, I’ll just boycott them. I’m taking my ball and going home.” Well those guys aren’t having any effect anyway because no girls want those guys. A 400 lbs slob of a man probably doesn’t have many options. So him being MGTOW is like: WTF). Same holds true for the average looking 28 year old with no job, no money, no goals who lives in his parents basement and plays video games all day and night. That guy is a hard sell to women. He might be pissed at women, think their standards are too high and be confused about why he can’t seem to get one, then say: “screw women, I’m intentionally boycotting them.” That’s the equivalent to a 400 lbs dude boycotting Jenny Craig. No one would notice. Maybe for guys like that, they think they could find a girl but the reality is few if any women globally would want them. Understand?
And I've mentioned them. What you describe is "Monk Mode" and what you've confused it with is Incel. I AM MGTOW, I've been MGTOW since I was 26. I get my daily doses of Terrence Popp and Better Bachelor and I enjoy my life as a bachelor because I'm tired of being cheated on and lied to.
Do the plagues of Revelation sound peaceful to you? What about the plagues God visited on Egypt. In Revolution those plagues will be visited on a wicked world. God is just patient and giving space for repentance. He gave Israel roughly 700 years to repent of idolatry before he brought the Assyrians I believe, perhaps the Babylonians instead to utterly crush them. The Assyrians were cruel. They maimed their captives by cutting off noses and plucking out eyes and tongues. This was done to all they conquered.
God isn’t peaceful to the wicked. He’s patient. When his patience is up the judgement he executes is brutal - like eternity to burn in a line of fire and brimstone for the wicked.
I dont date co-workers. As Tony Soprano once said, "I dont eat where I shit."
And the God you describe doesn't sound like the type to aid us in a war. We need SOMETHING that will help us wipe out these Commies to the last. No prisoners to slither back into the population and re-pollute. THEY GOTTA GO!
I don’t either. Well... I’m married so I don’t date anyone anymore. What I meant was dealing with women at work and in relationships and all areas of society must be done with extreme caution because of the laws feminists have been able to create, their influence on the culture, and in the workplace... to me nearly any interaction in those places could be critical.
Another way to say it would be “don’t get laid where you get paid.”
In this country a girl can get willingly gangbanged at a frat party, wake up the next day, realize what a slut she is and then claim rape after being concerned about her reputation being ruined, or better yet claim it was rape because they were all drinking.
Or
At work a woman can claim sexual harassment for a man merely looking at her.
These things are absurd.
“Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:” Psalms 144:1 KJV
These commies polluting our country either need to be re-educated or exterminated. If not we’ll have what’s going on continue until the country is in ashes. I call them bolsheviks rather than liberals because that’s exactly what they are.
I think civil war is inevitable in America. I’m just glad I’m on the side that has the guns and knows which bathroom to use.
“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34 KJV
My God is love and peace to those whom are his but terror and judgement to those who are not.
it's a shame the minds of people are poisoned on what Christianity is and is not then. They always go back to "Thou shall not murder" or Not judging others. MAN it's annoying people talking about it and not ever knowing about the context or even actually reading it.
Indeed. The problem is not Christianity nor the scriptures but rightly interoperating them.
Thou shalt not kill means thou shalt not murder. Self defense and war are condoned in scripture. God commanded the Israelites to completely wipe out heathen nations. Now, if killing were always wrong, then that makes God a hypocrite. Jesus told his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords if they don’t already have one. Jesus knew they would have to face evil and sometimes that requires weapons.
Not judging other means to pass final judgement. It means to not pass judgment in the context of who will go to heaven or not. That is reserved for God. We know this because elsewhere in scripture Paul asks why Christians sue each other. He goes on to ask isn’t the church capable of such matters? Deciding whose right and wrong that is. We’re called to judge. To say this is right and that’s wrong. Likewise Christians are called to use discernment. Proverbs warns over and over about associating with evil men who like to shed blood for fun and to rob, and about associating with drunkards and gluttons. So we are to judge others in regards to their actions and character. It requires judgment to say: “I won’t associate with this person because...”
The problem is people have come up with this concept of an all loving God who is tolerant and accepts everyone. That is the furthest thing from the truth. Literally 1/3 of what Jesus taught was about Hell or judgement or the coming Tribulation at the end of the world. Jesus warns over and over and over. He doesn’t tip toe around the tulips either. He says it directly, often using graphic phrases. But you don’t see this taught in many churches. They tell you to come up and say a prayer and then your saved and can go about your life basically as it was. Jesus used the word repentance in connection with salvation. There is no salvation without repentance. Repentance meaning to change your ways.
“If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.” Exodus 22:2 KJV
No blood shed meaning no guilt or penalty for killing someone breaking and entering at night.
“Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” Luke 22:36 KJV
One example of God commanding Israel to wipe out a heathen nation:
“For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the Lord commanded Moses.” Joshua 11:20 KJV
Jesus and others preaching about repentance and judgement:
“But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” Matthew 3:7 KJV
Above, John the Baptist preaching about coming wrath and judgement.
“Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” Matthew 7:16-19 KJV
Trees here used as a metaphor for people. Jesus is saying basically: evil people don’t do good and good people don’t live in evil. You’ll know whose a false prophet (false teacher) by their deeds. Well that requires judgement doesn’t it? Have to make a call on what deeds are good and bad to make a judgement and determine whose a false teacher or not. The trees or people that don’t bear good fruit here are chopped down and thrown into the fire.
“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” Revelation 20:13-15 KJV
This is the judgement of the wicked and their punishment.
God also casts judgment on some while on this earth.
“And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them. And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man. And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.” Acts 12:21-23 KJV
Here God kills King Herod. Whose to say someone who died in an accident at work or in a car wasn’t struck down by God? No way to tell the secret deeds people do, but God know!
“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,” 2 Peter 3:3-11 KJV
This says in the last days scoffers will come. That is to say people mocking saying God won’t come in judgment. They will say ever since God flooded the earth everything continues on. But this scripture tells us God isn’t slack. He’s patient. He’s giving men time to repent. However when his patients has ended judgment will commence.
In regards to these godless commies in my country I’d rather see them come to repentance. However they may not. We may have a civil war or God may come in judgement. Either way they will end their rioting and evil. It’s just a matter of when.
You understand that feminism is a major cause of the decline of western society right? Feminism and MGTOW are not really comparable. The former is a broad philosophy of kulturkampf emphasizing the seizure of power and wealth. The latter is a subset of the men's movement that arose much more recently and takes a particular approach to dealing with the current state of affairs. We need a men's movement, and MGTOW is not really the best model, but your "don't complain" approach completely misses the mark.
if you had said feminazi ism and mgtow i would agree but since feminism is supposesed to be about equality rather than one side in a battle i can't simply agree although its nice to see you have returned to g@g with a more user friendly approach
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MGTOW only exists because of feminism. MGTOWs are known to be angry, bitter and sexist toward women, but it should be no mystery why that is the case. MGTOW will continue to grow and become more angry and violent until things change. It's not pretty, and it's going to get a lot uglier before it gets better. Things need to change, and MGTOW is an agent for that change.
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