Since when can occupiers claim to be the victims?

[Lliam]

Reprisals to suppress resistance.

"The collective retribution against innocents is a familiar tactic employed by colonial rulers. We used it against Native Americans and later in the Philippines and Vietnam.

"The Germans used it against the Herero and Namaqua in Namibia. The British in Kenya and Malaya. The Nazis used it in the areas they occupied in the Soviet Union, Eastern and Central Europe."

Israel is not the innocent, peaceful victim it claims to be.

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/09/chris-hedges-palestinians-speak-israels-language/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=e53429bc-f7a9-4f6d-aba9-03f1eb6452dc

Look at the following map. Who is the aggressor? Who is the victim?

[lightbulb27]

The "knowledge of good and evil" is what was chosen. One persons good is anothers evil. These peoples seem to be the "wrench" thrown into the motor of humanity.

My 4th grade knowledge of this: they were promised a promised land, after they were enslaved... and they took it over force. Then they basically, sucked... and were scattered all over the world. That didn't go so well and some people tried to wipe them out. So the solution was to consolidate them and give them nation status to protect themselves, back in the promised land... which is where there were a bunch of people already... in "Palestine".

They like to survive and so fought and defeated everyone and became a strong state, with the help of USA, of which, there's lots of their peoples to help force policy choices. They are generally... very reasonable people, and decent, but they are very protective... for good reasons. Mess with them, they will kill. I still recall seing the little boy with the backpack shot to pieces. They had their reason... kids were being used as explosive devices, but not in this case.

Since then, I lost track... the oppressed people whom lost their lands don't accept them, their culture, etc.. When they get strong enough, they fight back and kill and maim as many as they can. Isreal then fights back and kills 10x. That's what is next... massive death. Calm occurs, rinse and repeat.

... happening again. People looked at me weird when they said "don't you want to go on a mission trip to Isreal?" I said... are you nuts? I said the same thing about going up in the Twin Towers decades ago... those things have a giant X on them and people pray about how to blow them up, post 1993. I told my execs they are nuts to go in that building. What are these people praying about today is the question...

And americans thinking we are safe.. you are nuts!

When someone is pissed off to the deepest level, they don't care... they will kill you and be happy about it. They take joy in killing you.

They are victims.. I'm not defining "they"... in that they were attacked, same way USA was attacked and pearl harbor. But there are "justifications" for those attacks. It's just power.

Noone ever address, es or is able to address the root causes... emotional damage. Until then, sadly, people are going to suffer under the emotional oppression we created. So prepare to die.

Could be any one of us, at any time... for any "reason".

What's stopping such people from going around USA cities... and wrecking havoc? Nothing. Doubt it happens, but could. Be easy...

[lightbulb27]

The next victims will be the 3000+ palestinians that are killed and wounded. Might be more like 10,000. Am sad for them, sad for the bystanders, including the Isreali and those visiting caught up in moments of hell, death, and misery.
"There's nothing new under the sun"...

[imran_]

The illegitimate state went mad, when they felt the pain and suffering. Common Palestinian feel everyday.

[imran_]

If you have power, money, media. You can make black into white and villain into hero.

[Jackblue]

We have been suffering under you since Medieval times, plus Muslims aided Hitler. First the British then Hitler turned your cries of "Allahu Akbar kill the infidel enslave his women and children" into "have mercy, please" and then when you see that white liberals have sympathy for you, a sympathy which you never showed others you talk about human rights that aren't even being violated.

[imran_]

@jakeblue We do regret it. We regret showing kindness to the Jews that sought refuge in Palestine, when the Jews came there crying, having been kicked out of Europe.

[Iamcoming]

@Jackblue you tall a lie. Muslims helper was Jewish when Jewish dead spain after İndulusia. Jewish came to Ottoman borders. Some rasicst christians killed jews.

[Anonymous]

What happened in 1946? The Palestinians lost a war they started after repeated attempts at genocide and they still have the same genocidal doctrine.

The US tool the Philippines from the Spainish. We didn't occupy Vietnam, we were invited in by the South Vietnamese to aid them just like we did with South Korea.

[Iamcoming]

You tell a lie. Jews had three terror organizations in palestine at the 1940s and they killed Palestanien.

[Opinion Owner]

@Iamcoming so did the Muslims for hundreds of years.

[Opinion Owner]

I mean look at what surrender monkey Attaturk did to the Armenians

[Anonymous]

If you have money to buy silence and peoples support, you’ll do exactly that and claim to be the victim. Extra support if you bring up the holocaust.

[Jackblue]

If Jews are trying to silence people they aren't doing a very good job. Maybe we should bring up the holocaust and the part Muslims played in it more.

[Opinion Owner]

@Jackblue elaborate on the Muslims involvement. I’m rather curious.

[Jackblue]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini read this

[Opinion Owner]

@Jackblue https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl

[Opinion Owner]

@Jackblue https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism Don’t even need to read much.

[Jackblue]

and?

[Opinion Owner]

@Jackblue I could say the same thing.

[RavVid]

I tend to think that people aren't innocent in a democracy because the people have participated in decision making.

However it is still a war crime to murder civilians and is never acceptable.

I don't think revanchism helps anyone. The problem is that there was always someone there before somebody else. Before the Jewish Diaspora there were Philistines and Caanites. Before them were Natufians. So who are the legitimate occupiers of that land and who are the illegitimate occupiers?

If you say the Palestinian Arabs, why was their invasion OK and other peoples invasion not OK. Are Palestinian Arabs Arabs anyway? Egyptians may speak Arabic but they aren't wholly Arab genetically.

The revanchism argument is futile. You maybe should go back to Europe but when you do maybe you should leave immediately because you have beaker people genetics and give Europe back to the earlier Early European Farmer population who should also leave immediately to give Europe back to the earlier Western European Hunter and Gatherers. I don't know how we square it off with Neanderthals who were there first.

It is really a nonsense to argue everybody should go back to where they came from.

[Lliam]

Palestinians aren't Arab. They are Levantine.

Palestinians didn't "invade". They are the Muslims, Jews and Christians who have lived there in peace for centuries, just like the people of Syria.

[Jackblue]

Some are arabs by genes some assimilated so that they could oppress Jews.

[Jackblue]

This whole democracy makes people collectively responsible thing is garbage, people could overthrow dictatorships too, but regardless Israel's actions are completely justifiable.

[Anonymous]

If your case is to kill a bunch of people until they leave land you claim as your own. Then they have every right to exterminate you just the same.

If you want to live in peace learn to co-exist, Israel has been exceptionally forgiving in allowing this group constantly waging war on them to continue to exist in any kind of peace.

The made up group of Arabs calling themselfs "Palestinians" have no right to expect any kind of peace and security while they continue to wage war.

Being a separate state now that has voted to wage war on anther, they have in fact forfeited their lives. Their war crimes against the people of Israel justify similar war crimes against them.

[Lliam]

What separate state? I'm surprised at you.

[Opinion Owner]

@lliam Admittedly this is not my area of expertise, as I care almost not at all about pointless never ending conflicts.

Practically however it seems apparent that Palestine is effectively anther state with its own elections and borders, granted one significantly dominated by anther state. However that is not an unusual situation.
2 States after the Fatah–Hamas conflict where Hamas took over the Gaza Strip which carried out this act of war.

[Jackblue]

Jews have been living in Palestine since time immemorial, and have been oppressed by the so-called Palestinians who are Arab invaders. The Germans also classified the Jews as foreign oppressors because supposedly they used their money to corrupt Governments. Israel has had to seize land from Palestine because of the continual terrorist attacks by Palestinians who have never accepted the right of the Jewish people to land in the area and feel they have a right to oppress Jews as they have for so many centuries.

[NamerOfStars]

Since the second human bonked the first one on the head for pushing out of his chair. The Romans no doubt saw themselves as victims of Israelite uprisings; so did the Greeks and the Arabs. You push people hard enough, they're going to push back.

What makes the Palestinians so different that they alone can't be examined in a rational, logical way, like every other group?

[Lliam]

I agree that everything should be examined in a rational, logical way, and that all the facts should be considered. I'm just appalled that Israel is always given a free pass. They always portray themselves as victims.
Why did the U. S. government and mainstream media cover up the USS Liberty?

Most people have no idea of history or even the modern reality.

Do they even know about the Nakba?

[BoopBoopBeep]

There was a war (6-day). They won. They get land as a result of it. There was a large part of human history where we wouldn't know what a Palestinian is, because the victor would have wiped them off the earth. War is messy. That they chose to allow anyone to remain is more generous than a great many victors have been throughout history.

The Nakba was in 48. That was horrible, sure. But that still doesn't change the fact that there was a war in 67 and new "generous," by historical standard, boundaries were drawn.

[Jackblue]

How about the pushing Jews have gotten from centuries of Arab oppression.

[Lliam]

@Jackblue. Funny how Jews have been living peacefully in Palestine, Syria and Iran for centuries. What oppression?

[Dargil]

I would prefer the 2012 map with all the green in Sinai and Jordan where "Palestinians came from. I don't care about invented history or emotional arguments. Palestinian Arabs should be deported and Israel, the size and population of New Jersey should be left alone. The current attacks have given Netanyahu the pretense for ethnic cleansing.

[genericname85]

well america claimed to be the victim of terrorist attacks on 9/11. even tho they are the occupants of the indians (native americans) country.

even the fact that "native americans" exist means that peoplem we routinely adress when we say "americans" are not actually legitimate inhabitants of that country.

[DextroShade]

Only one side has gone out of their way to target civilians for kidnapping, rape, and murder and that's the Palestinians. They clearly don't deserve their own country. You woketards should go over to Gaza and fight for Hamas so you can create a progressive woke utopia, oh wait, they throw the gays off rooftops.

[Daniela1982]

Because the land was given to them By God long before the Palestinians came upon the scene. The Israelites tried to land in other places in 1947 but were turned away. It is also a fulfilment of Bible Prophesy.

[imran_]

1. There is no proof to show that the modern day Jews are the descendants of the people who lived in Palestine 3000 years ago.

2. Even if they are the descendants there are 2 issues.

Issue 1: Before the supposed ancestors of modern Jews ruled the land 3k years ago, there were already native people from various tribes living in the land. Then those natives have better claim over the land by this logic.

Issue 2: Just because someone's ancestors ruled a particular place centuries ago does not establish claim now. Greek king Alexander ruled Egypt. Does not mean Greeks can claim Egypt now. The British Empire ruled much of the world, incl. America. That does not give the British the right to take over America. Same way, Muslims ruled Spain, India, etc., that does not mean we have rights to these lands now.

[Daniela1982]

@imran_ Sorry, but NO ONE has claim to that land but the maker. If He chose to give it to His chosen people, the Jews, and promised it to them, then no one else can lay claim to it BUT the Jews. And seeing that Jesus himself was a Jew, I think that ownership to that land is theirs as relatives of Jesus. Just because you own a house but don't live in it doesn't mean squatters can come in and not be expected to be dealt with.

[imran_]

Hats off! It was a good wash of brain! Whoever had done, really have done a great job.

First prove the authenticity of the book you are referring to! Don't attribute altered book to justify 70 years of genocides, oppression, killing thousands including women and children.

I know when people can altered their books with their own hands, they are shameless and can do anything. And past and current events are proof of that.

May the God of Moses peace be upon him guide you and people like you.

[imran_]

By your words , it seems the God is racist, so you are. Good job!

[Jackblue]

@imran_ If you are a Muslim then all the actions that Moses and the other prophets did was just including taking the land. If you don't believe in God then there is no evidence the Jews ever invaded the area, they were always there. Jews are linked by DNA to the Middle East, we are sick and tired of Muslim tyranny.

[imran_]

We do regret it. We regret showing kindness to the Jews that sought refuge in Palestine, when the Jews came there crying, having been kicked out of Europe.

[Jackblue]

@imran_ We were already there you took away our children in Yemen, you butchered us in Spain and Morocco in the 11th century, and you aided Hitler, you also made us live as second class citizens in our own land for centuries, and then there is the small matter of what Muhammad did to us. We are done with your tyranny.

[imran_]

You are on the right track, Keep continuing whining, until people start believing your lies. Good job by the way!

[Daniela1982]

@Jackblue 👍👍

[Jackblue]

thanks

[MrHugeD]

It's our fault bro, we know the truth but we didn't talk while the west are trying so hard for decades to change this truth by all the fake news and brain washing!

But enough! We need to talk and tell the world about the truth.. Keep talking and posting bro 🙏

We stand with Palestine ❤❤

[Sevenpointfive]

and biden plans on giving them billions on top of the annual 3 billion we already give them?

[Anonymous]

Those kids and children being killed recently in the war never did anything wrong to the Palestine people in the past. It’s no an excuse what ever happened historically.

[Opinion Owner]

I’m not sure about all but I think it’s likely some of those adult israsel men and women who have been killed recently by the terrorist from Palestine also never did anything wrong to the Palestine people historically. People aren’t responsible for their ancestors actions. Just like white Americans today aren’t responsible what happened to the native Americans in the 1700s-1800s

[Anonymous]

I don't know how you can defend this. Kidnapping and murdering children is indefensible and disgusting.

[Lliam]

So you agree that Israel is indefensible? It's been doing it for decades.

[Opinion Owner]

Anyone that does it is wrong.

[Jackblue]

Israel has been arresting child terrorists and when terrorists fire from homes Israel fires back all blood including Palestinian blood is on the Palestinians' hands.

[Lliam]

@Jackblue. Yeah. Once again, Israel is only defending itself. But Palestinians are terrorists if they do the same. That's the narrative we hear.

[Jackblue]

Hamas is committing indiscriminate genocide.

[Lliam]

@Jackblue. Oh, now it's genocide. Not like what the Zionists have been doing for 75 years.

[Opinion Owner]

Did you see the video of them pulling that girl from the back of that Jeep? With the blood all over the seat of her pants that looked pretty fresh? I think you and I both know ar least some of what was done to that poor girl. If you're okay with that, I can't respect you.

[Lliam]

Did it occur to you that whatever they are showing you on TV is what they WANT you to see? And they can characterize images how they want or just leave it to people's imaginations.

There were even reports, now admitted to be unsubstantiated (or made up), of infants being beheaded. And that turned into infants with the umbilical cords still attached.

Unsubstantiated reports of women raped. Then it became "pregnant" women raped.

Do you see how they try to make the enemy look like beasts? The Palestinians are seeking freedom from the Death Camp that they have been confined to and the Israelis and every western press outlet is characterizing the freedom fighters as savages run amok.

It's like the British circulating stories about the evil "Hun" tossing babies onto bayonets in WWI. Or Iraqi soldiers tossing infants out of incubators prior to the U. S. invasion of Iraq.

Do you see how propaganda works?

And yet where are the stories and images of dead, mutilated, injured, terrorized Palestinians. Oddly, there are none. How curious.

[Opinion Owner]

Lol, how do you know your information is correct? I can't respect your position, period.

[Opinion Owner]

Nonetheless, Hamas forgot the golden rule of "don't start bone, won't be none". Instead, they chose to fucketh about and findeth out. They got what they were looking for. It's just a shame that many innocent people on both sides are paying the price.

[A_Bell]

2024 needs no more green.

Thanks for the map.

[imran_]

If you take our homes, we will come to you, convert your people by the will of God, will get the majority and remove the evil. So 🎉Congratulation.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@imran_ Beats a perpetual stalemate I suppose...

[Iamcoming]

Yes they did this by the strong of Media. At the reality Israel is rasict and terrorist organization.

[Mettbltt]

Palestine should not have sold its homeland to the Jews

[Anonymous]

When they are correct

Need to finish the job, would do well for aiding the thing of overpopulation

[jahaims]

Everyone is an occupier if you go back far enough

[Mettbltt]

very true

[Anonymous]

Oh. Look. The terrorists are in green.