Should big families be illegal?

[OddBeMe]

Just read about “parentification”. Where kids parent each other in big families and the horrible issues that come from that.

Also, majority are taking loads of welfare.

Yes make it illegal

Govt should stop enticing child bearing

No

[Sasahara]

No, big families should not be illegal. One example of something that should be illegal is posting images with children you consider to be near pornographic. You still never explained why you posted that picture, or liked the answer that said it was near pornography…

[OddBeMe]

What pic? I never post anything near children and sexuality.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t have that shit because I don’t get off on it.

[Sasahara]

Is this grooming? ↗
You liked a answer saying its darn near pornography. Maybe you don’t like the subject but just find it humorous to joke about then? If you didn’t agree with the comment you would not have liked that answer

[Sasahara]

I hope you don’t get to off to it, and I would hope its a subject that should cross the line about what you consider acceptsble to joke about, but you did like that answer, and never explained why when I asked you in my answer to that question, or my last replie to Juxtapose’s answer to that question

[OddBeMe]

“Damn near”? Hey all! The morality police are here…pack up the internet this bitch is making us go home…

[Sasahara]

Yeah, why post stuff with children you consider near pornographic? Why the heck joke about something like that subject? And if you disagree with or didn’t find the comment funny, why like it?

[Sasahara]

"This bitch" a you called me very much think people should refrain from joking about this type of shit and not post stuff they consider near pornographic images with children

[Sasahara]

At least it looks like you unliked that comment.

[OddBeMe]

So you’re basically trying to bully me into not making fun of you or the gun toting family of losers you apparently suppprt. Cancel Culture King.

[Sasahara]

If you think expecting people should refrain from posting stuff they consider near pornographic content including children or joke about such things and call out people who do is attempt at bullying. Then I guess I am.

[Cubus]

They tried this in China. This ended up in a disaster.

[OddBeMe]

I was reading about that one child policy. Alongside patriarchal society it was a disaster.

Trust me tho, in the near future regulating how many children a family can have will be vital to survive.

[Cubus]

Not really. The trends are people would have way below 2 kids per woman (in Africa it's also declining). Regulations would not be needed as most people wouldn't like to have kids anyway. Governments would actually have to find a way to encourage people to have kids (no success so far).

[Anonymous]

I don’t see how you would be able to outlaw that without a whole host of implications… but I guess it should be frowned upon

[OddBeMe]

that would be a step. and stop enticing with child tax credits

[Kelly6]

no not at all

[OddBeMe]

how dare you not agree.

[RavVid]

The demographic pyramid needs a boost at the bottom. So No

[OddBeMe]

you mean slave labor?

[RavVid]

No just that a nice triangle with more young people and few old people give good economics.

China and Russia have bad demographics. Putin, aside from pushing the boys into machine guns, has also kept the boys away from the girls so it is only getting worse. Fortunately Russia won't have an army in 18 years

[OddBeMe]

ahh. I mean true about ages. And it sucks that American youngsters for the first time have not had better opportunities than older gens.

[RavVid]

Yes. That is west wide I think. Effectively wealth is being exported and poverty imported which was in the lefts plans and said by them.

[OddBeMe]

Wealth ain’t being exported out of American billionaires pockets…

That’s something I wish red state fcks would understand. It’s not Mexico or Chinas fault manufacturing moves away. It’s actually all our faults for demanding low cost cheeseburgers and iPhones.

[RavVid]

Yes, the same here. Only a certain segment gets screwed.

[OddBeMe]

And I have pity for them and take no issue with their welfare, but they could easily educate themselves on a job that is lucrative. For free there are classes online that a lot of employers would accept.

[RavVid]

Not so sure it is that easy. Perhaps different in different countries. Employers want experience where I am and won't hire without it.

[Avicenna]

Where is your evidence that big families are, as you put it, "taking loads of welfare"?

You do know that immigrant families have larger families than native-born Americans, right?

[OddBeMe]

Not sure about immigrants. That anchor baby thing has been an overused racist line.

But...
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/.../si-2022-010993

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6667739/

[Avicenna]

Not sure about immigrants? You claim to be an expert on them despite never having been outside Texas. And your attempt to avoid the fact that immigrants do have larger families than natives with some useless straw man speaks volumes.

And you give me an article published 40 years ago which uses data from 50 years ago? How lazy and irrelevant. But it did point out that the use of food stamps particularly rises for people with lower education levels, which certainly fits the description of most illegals with... wait for it... anchor babies!

[OddBeMe]

First, nice dodge on original question. But yes there's no evidence of "anchor babies". For one, immigrant familes are overwhelmingly mixed with at least one citizen. So its more confusing than the Nuremberg laws.
www.politifact.com/.../
www.urban.org/.../part-us-data-driven-look-children-immigrants

[Avicenna]

LOL, you're caught lying again (and contradicting yourself)- there are a large number of US citizens whose parents aren't US citizens due to them being born here when their parent or parents were in the country illegally.

And the children of immigrants in general are more likely to be in low-income families. At least one in four children in the US has immigrant parents.

I think your proposal violates internationally-recognized human rights. But that's hardly surprisin given that you are a totalitarian who wants to take white and Jewish Americans' citizenship from them.

[OddBeMe]

You take my thought experiments so seriously. And no I didn't lie, you aren't provdiing evidence for you racist ass claims.

I meanwhile did. Funny you moved away from large familes to poorer ones.

[Avicenna]

Ooh, wow, racist Odd (the guy who says all whites are lazy and on welfare and who wants to take US citizenship from whites and Jews) is calling ME a racist for pointing out a couple of actual facts about his fabled "master race"- non-white immigrants. Now that is some hilarity. Marxists like you live in a propaganda world.

You brought up welfare, which is part of the discussion about poverty, something you complained about. Are you trying to claim that immigrant families are not more likely to live in poverty? Are you trying to claim food stamp use is not greater for people with lower educational levels? Are you in that much denial?

At the end of the day, large families aren't a problem- they are a human capital investment opportunity, and a necessary one because of people like you who can't and/or won't have children.

[OddBeMe]

But but you said immigrants have large families…and you was wrong, mister…

[Avicenna]

LOL, you can't be honest about the slightest things. I said that immigrant families have larger families than the native-born. Which is a fact.

Now, how about finally proving your claim that "the majority of large families are taking welfare"?

[Avicenna]

And then how about showing that is actually harmful to a society with sub-replacement fertility rates for over 50 years!

[OddBeMe]

I’ve given you links to show that A) you’re wrong and B) I’m right. Sorry. Try doing homework next time.

[Avicenna]

You haven't shown that immigrants aren't more likely to have larger families than the native born because you can't- they do. And you're complaining about larger families. So you've been hoisted up on your own petard (something you Marxists do all the time). And large families in the US aren't a problem anyway.

[Avicenna]

And one of your links admits what I told you- that immigrant parents are more likely to have low incomes. Furthermore, it admits that there are millions of children born to people in the US illegally. So what were you right about? Nothing. As usual.

You can't even interpret basic data and you're dishonest. Not a good combo.

[OddBeMe]

Immigrants do have more low income, but less welfare than born here citizens.

[Avicenna]

I'm not so sure that they don't. A lot of money, for example, has been spent on the people that the Biden Administration has illegally invited the past few years. So the point is that it doesn't make sense to import poverty via immigration, illegal or legal.

[OddBeMe]

Illegally invited? where tf are you getting your info? You think Biden is personally arranging illegal entry?

[Avicenna]

So you think the Biden Administration consists solely of that demented clown?

Yes, of course they were invited. Do you think millions of them would come if they were going to be prevented from entering illegally? Are you ignorant of your party's policies? Apparently so.

www.npr.org/.../asylum-seekers-hope-bidens-pledge-to-welcome-immigrants-includes-them

www.nytimes.com/.../...immigrants-citizenship.html

nypost.com/.../

[OddBeMe]

Yeah don’t have a problem with that. And you’ll notice “seekers”. Biden is rounding up migrants to place in Ohio and Missouri. Though he should. We should truck them into rural counties and negate the double voting power they have.

[Avicenna]

Well, this is allegedly a democracy- maybe someone should ask the local residents before just dumping people there and not providing federal assistance. But thanks for confirming that it's all about absolute (there's that word again!) power for Marxists.

[OddBeMe]

You’ll find in a free country you needn’t ask the residents jack shit.

[Avicenna]

Really? I know you're a Marxist, but you have a bizarre idea of what a free country is. Keep in mind that this isn't people deciding for themselves where to live- leftists NGOs and leftists government officials are flying and busing them to places with the intent to cause problems for the local residents.

But why don't you take in two families of around 10 people (or people claiming to be relatives of each other) and tell me how well that goes.

[OddBeMe]

Do you have links so I can read about those leftist NGOs?

The only fucks bussing migrants are right wing guvs. And I’m not Marxist. I’m a free capital lover. Just like some regulation.

[Avicenna]

LOL, your long paper trail shows you're a Marxist. Just because you like benefiting from the free market does not mean you aren't a Marxist (granted you don't seem to be as hardcore an ideologue as some).

cis.org/.../Resettlement-Agencies-Decide-Where-Refugees-Are-Initially-Placed-United-States

cis.org/.../Private-Refugee-Resettlement-Agencies-Mostly-Funded-Government

capitalresearch.org/.../

www.washingtonexaminer.com/.../congress-must-cut-off-the-cash-spigot-to-nonprofit-organizations-enabling-the-border-crisis

www.heritage.org/.../biden-shovels-millions-nonprofits-aid-his-open-border-schemes-congress-must

[OddBeMe]

Those are all right wing think tanks blogging about the “damn migrants”.

Are you that stupid?

[Avicenna]

LOL, are they correct? It's not as if leftists question anything...

They are correct- Democrats steer money to their supporters and those willing to do kickbacks. Corrupt thieves.

You might want to look at the huge sums of money being spent on the illegal invaders at all of our expense. Hits the poor hardest, of course.

[OddBeMe]

Are they left wing ngo’s? No.

Is there a resettlement office for refugees? Yeah there is in the state department. Illegals can apply and rarely get it. Nothing else in that shit is true.

[Avicenna]

Sure, because Marxist Odd, a colonist illegally squatting on the land of the indigenous people of Texas says so.

As usual, you're either lying or don't know what you're talking about.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr

Rarely get it? Stop lying.

www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/programs/refugees/factsheets

www.acf.hhs.gov/.../...t_cuban_haitian_entrant.pdf

www.foxnews.com/.../left-wing-158m-taxpayer-immigrants-deportation

www.foxnews.com/.../biden-admin-gives-left-wing-groups-hundreds-millions-help-illegal-immigrants-fight-deportation

www.heritage.org/.../tracking-movement-illegal-aliens-ngos-the-us

And don't pretend that there isn't billions being spent on housing, food, medical care and legal services for illegals. Democrat mayors are screaming for money from the federal government because it's taxed their local budgets so much.

[OddBeMe]

I love when I link seriously accredited sites and you fucks shrug it off. And you expect me to click this garbage….

[OddBeMe]

There’s a difference between refugees and illegal migrants. Not in my mind but in the State department.

[Avicenna]

Most people claiming asylum are lying and are therefore illegal invaders. One day some Democrat-appointed judge will rule that there is a right for everyone the Democrats want to enter the US.

[OddBeMe]

Cough…cough…bullshit

www.politifact.com/.../

[Avicenna]

Keep dreaming, especially given that people like a former spokeswoman for the PLO decide who gets asylum. But you can believe your propaganda source if you wish.

[Avicenna]

cis.org/.../World-Refugee-Day-Lets-Address-Fraudulent-Asylum-Claims-Are-Detrimental-Legitimate-Asylum

[Avicenna]

cis.org/.../Most-illegal-immigrants-do-not-qualify-US-asylum

[OddBeMe]

1) your “cis” links are literally from an agenda driven think tank. And you blame me for linking wapo…
2) most illegals are not considered refugees because lawmakers don’t want it. Duh. But they are running from cartels and sex traffickers who supply American demand.

We should own up to migrants having to flee.

[Juxtapose]

I find the idea of the government dictating my reproductive rights in any way, shape or form to be utterly repulsive and anathema to the Constitution and any ideas of bodily autonomy.

[Juxtapose]

And before you make some sort of stupid abortion comment, I am pro abortion.

[OddBeMe]

So it’s ok to regulate after the kids born, but not before? I’m not even for late term abortions. Lol

[Juxtapose]

I quite frankly don't want the government regulating much at all about my life. They are supposed to be our servants who carry out our will at our leisure. They are not supposed to be people who are telling me what drugs I can or cannot take or how much I can reproduce.

Sure sure, outlaw drunk driving since you are driving on government roads, etc but overall the less government influence, the better.

[Juxtapose]

A lot of what you propose sounds like social engineering and a nanny state.

[Anonymous]

No. Also a lot of working and middle class people that are in receipt of welfare are actually just getting back money the Democrats have taxed them on.

[Dargil]

Government should subsidize large white and mixed families

[OddBeMe]

Sounds communist.

[Anonymous]

I think the dugger family never did welfare.
They are rich or made money from the show

[OddBeMe]

Just allowed the rapes of their daughters.

[Opinion Owner]

Octo mom probably would have been a better example. She has like 14 kids when single and I think she did do welfare.

The Duggars never did welfare or had government assistance I believe

[Anonymous]

Maybe limits , but if they choose to have more than 3 they can’t get assistance

[Snakeyes7]

Fuck off with your communist China nonsense.

[OddBeMe]

Granted.

[aceleon]

i2m all for large families so no.

[OddBeMe]

why? you can't parent them all, so enlist older children to parent. Thats horrible.

[aceleon]

For you! Not everyone thinks like that some People likes having multiple older and younger siblings they can protect or be protected by

[OddBeMe]

That’s simply statistical facts. So much that it’s called “parentization” and the cause of a lot of problems when (mostly girls) they get older.

[aceleon]

when it comes to humans and families statistics are lame.

[OddBeMe]

math is totally lame. Just measures the entire fucking universe.

[Brady]

Government should stop enticing child bearin.

[Anonymous]

Need to curb overpopulation somehow

[OddBeMe]

Well…yeah. Our next world war will be over fresh water.

[Jersey2]

@OddBeMe Desalinization will solve that even if it costs a lot now in the future it may not but its a must have so pay up.

[OddBeMe]

@Jersey2 maybe. China is an industrialized nation with little access to resources, like Germany in the 30s. I hope desalination gets better way easier and cheaper.

[Layla00]

maybe yess

[jimmy2]

Sure don't know how they make it though

[OddBeMe]

Clown show TV. They have no morals. At forst it was “how do they get by and why have so many kids…” to “now one kid is in jail for rape and child porn and I want to see the clown cars figure that out.”

[renodnol32]

Nope.